https://www.duolingo.com/profile/machieng

quick lesson on demonstratives

I like to divide these in my head as near (subject/object in the immediate vicinity) versus far (s/o needs to be pointed out/indicated) versus ambiguous (s/o is far or being referenced to in absentia or a pointed out near, if that makes sense, hence the ambiguity)

Noun Near Plural Far Plural Ambiguous Plural
M/Wa (Mtu-Watu) Huyu Hawa Yule Wale Huyo Wao
Ki/Vi (Kiti-Viti) Hiki Hivi Kile Vile Hicho Hivyo
M/Mi (Mkuki-Mikuki) Huu Hii Ule ile Huo Hiyo
Ji/Ma (Yai-Mayai) Hili Haya Lile Yale Hilo Hayo
U/N (Uso-Nyuso) Huu Hizi Ule Zile Huo Hizo
N/N (Kalamu-Kalamu) Hii Hizi ile Zile Hiyo Hizo

Note, 'hawo' does not exist.

Any questions?

May 22, 2019

3 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SandraStea1

I SO appreciate your posts even though they don't make much sense to me yet. I have studied a lot of different languages but the only people in my life on a regular basis now who are multilingual are friends from church who are from Tanzania and Kenya. They are all gone home now that the university is on summer break (and one graduated with his PhD), though. Also, I really came here to learn Romanian first so I've gone back to that until I get more solid in it.

I just wanted to let you know that such tips as there can make all the difference in the world when trying to take up a new language. They kept me going in Swahili near(er) the beginning when it seemed like the words were just all jumbled together. From some tips I learned that they ARE! The different parts of the word clarify the meaning.

BTW, my friends are already very happy and impressed and can understand me just from the DL program and its great opportunity to actually hear the words.

So thanks again. I am following this post so I'll have it when I get back to Swahili study and to a point where I can use it.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/njeri-1331

Awesome! Please keep these up!

But "hawo" completes the pattern so nicely! ;)

The last two columns were not covered in the Tips and Notes - it's great to learn more than before.

I found that the demonstratives module really highlighted the importance of knowing the subject prefixes because they crop up everywhere in various forms as prefixes, infixes or suffices like here. I like noticing when they do and which forms are similar across different grammatical constructions. I've noticed the ambiguous demonstratives have suffices similar to the amba- relative.

I have a couple of questions:

  1. I see "kwa hiyo" and "kwa hivyo" used interchangeably sometimes. Is that entirely so or is there a subtle difference between them?

  2. Related: would you also use the ambiguous form in constructions such as "That is good"?

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dsimonds

Wanafunzi hao ambao nilikueleza habari zao jana, basi leo wameandamana kumpinga mkuu wa shule.

June 28, 2019
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