https://www.duolingo.com/myra

Word-based Progress Update

Heads up everyone!

Starting today, you may notice a small change in the way Duolingo displays your progress.

If the lesson you are currently doing displays words you have already seen, you will now earn progress in those earlier skills as well. For example, if you encounter the sentence “My brother drinks juice.” and you are learning the word “juice” but have encountered “brother” and “drinks” previously, then all of those skills will get a simultaneous boost. You will also be able to earn progress across multiple skills by doing global practice sessions. This change gets us closer to more realistically modeling learner knowledge, and also means that you should notice fewer repetitive sentences in the basic skills. As with all changes to Duolingo’s look, feel and functionality, this one has been rigorously tested to ensure that the change will help learners of all levels.

The data show that this change results in significant improvements for beginners and intermediate learners while also encouraging advanced learners to continue their studies even as the topics they encounter become harder and harder to master.

May 23, 2019

357 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/WayangOrang

Starting today, you may notice a small change in the way Duolingo displays your progress.

Could you please show the number of lessons as well ?
Now it only shows a percentage of an unknown total.

For example :
I only see 20 % complete.
Is that 1 out of 5 lessons ?
Is that 2 out of 10 lessons ?
Is that 10 out of 50 lessons ?

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MichaPau

There were already some discussions about that in the forum. It seems that not many people like the update showing only the percentage number. Perhaps it will get reverted (don't know if that is likely). I would as well prefer the exact numbers (x out of x)

Edit: There are good comments below that explain why the percent number might be necessary for the new progress update. It would still be very helpful if the total number of lessons were visible, in my opinion.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Asaclubs

I like the word-based progress, but I think we should also get to see "X lessons to next level"

I think this works with the percentages better than X out of Y lessons, since it might seem strange to jump from 3/10 to 4/10 lessons without ACTUALLY doing a lesson in that skill.

"X lessons to next level" suggests that each lesson progresses your percentage progress to the next level.

It's a small distinction but I think it meshes better with the update.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jairapetyan

This seems like an excellent suggestion. I hope admin sees it. I don't know if programming it will be straightforward though.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/FRENCHCHEF9

Thanks for the heads up as an alternative to waiting for a bunch of people to post about "What the Heck Happened to the Design?"

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/markbooth

Shouldn't be too difficult. Presumably each lesson gives you the same percentage increase so wouldn't it simply be a matter of: (100-current_percentage)/percentage_per_lesson

Plus a few lines of code to add an extra line to the information given when clicking on a skill.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tbcenglish

Not necessarily. Recently I went from 20% to 40% to 46% to 55%. What does that tell me about how many lessons. Based on the first two I would assume 5 lessons. The last two don't tell me anything.

May 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/erikrichert

That's not how it works as far as I've seen.

I had 91% which went to 5% of the next level then to 20% !?

May 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/herrbbach

I was able to go to my phone app and get the lesson numbers. Don't how long that will remain.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

I agree. Give it a little time to see the changes. I havent realy monitored how it advances but I will watch closer.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

You are not alone! If anyone reading this comment supports the idea of reverting percentages, please consider upvoting one of these existing posts instead of creating a new one. (If I recall correctly, upvoting existing topics is preferable to creating new ones in the Duolingo forums.)

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jairapetyan

Don't shoot the messenger, but I have to say that in the six years I've been using Duolingo, I've never seen them revert a change. Before changing something they often do A/B testing. Feel free to voice your opinions and ideas here, but it probably would also be a good chance to meditate on acceptance.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/henriiquecampos

Percentage gives a better sense of progression while absolute numbers give a clearer goal. Would be hard to implement a "tool tip" that would display the absolute number when hovering on the progress bar, but by default have the percentage?

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jimbo236

Recently I discovered a slightly positive side of the percentage system. Earlier I would choose (sometimes) the skill with fewer lessons in it to somehow progress little quicker in my mind. Now I can see only the percentage so I choose skills by order or randomly without avoiding larger skills. It is only a small thing in all the negative effects the percentage system caused, but hey, keep positive... (I am afraid that hoping they will revert it is rather delusional, not positive thinking)

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RobertoElQuarto

Sometimes we need a smaller task to motivate us. This is a classic approach to reducing procrastination.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/William.Koepp

actually it would be nice to have an option in the settings to which you prefer. I personally have found the percentage to be more helpful, even though i didnt like it at first. With Percentage I am focusing more and doing more, instead of the I need to do 5 lessons today thing. I also think the percentage thing might be non linear. if you dont miss anything you get a higher percentage done verses missing stuff.

May 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

It’s sounds like the percentages are necessary if my understanding of the above post is correct.

So you can earn progress on a skill by completing a lesson else where.

So say 1 lesson is equivalent to 20%, previously you would see 0/5 and know it requires 5 lessons.

If you can gain progress by doing other lesson I assume now you might see 2% complete or 16% complete before you even do your first lesson.

If you still had the lesson count instead of a percentage, wouldn’t it have to show 0.7/5 or some other weird percentage?

So now it might only require 4 lessons because you get credit from other lesson for words already learned.

Or have I misunderstood?

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/acopperlily

I'm wondering the same thing. Can they at least show which skills are earning progress each time I complete a lesson? This is so confusing.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/13bimic

Yes that would be very good. Back in 2012-13 when we practiced "strengthen" not a specific lesson was strengthened but rather a set of skills, and they were strengthened by how many of their words came up in strengthen mode.

Likewise if a lesson stregthens other lessons, the progress display page at the end of the lesson might display other strength changes.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/markbooth

Yes, I remember that. It's great that they've sort of implemented this again by allowing us to strengthen the easy skills without needing to redo them, but it would be nice to see this progress at the end of the lesson.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

This looks logical. Also, you might get more %, if your lesson covers more new vocab. That would explain some of the weird % progresses some uses have been sharing (such as 1 lesson giving them only 1%, or giving them 30% spread in two levels).

I really hope the % system will get officially explained. If it works like we assume here, it might actually fix some of my complaints about Duolingo and improve the efficiency of the courses (which would be refreshing, after many changes focused on design and gaming :-D). But we don't know that yet.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tbfunk

I can confirm that i have seen and experienced exactly this happening to me. It was a huge surprise on mobile when it said 3/5 lessons completed and I did one more and then the skill said 5/5 and upgraded. I went to my PC to see and all the percentages were odd and not aligned with lesson counts.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/desmo-dog

This seems to be the thinking, but it makes no sense. If you can get credit in percentages, you can get credit in lessons. It can calculate how many more lessons you have to do to level up one way or the other. Quite clearly A LOT of us want to know how many more lessons to finish a level. These kinds of arbitrary, numerical motivators are pretty much the whole point of Duolingo, so if it is not necessary to take away (it is not), then why do it?

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RelakS2

Yes, I organised my learning based on the 1 out of 5 (just an example) system. Now, I don't know, which lesson is the next.

Also annoying, that if I make a sentence with the word cards, and realize, that I left out a word from the beginning, I have to remove most of the cards. Several weeks ago I were able to reorganize them, which were very convenient.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kayl575411

Yeah! What happened there? It was click and drag only a few weeks ago. Also the 'Enter' button doesn't actually send the answer anymore for a bunch of question types.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RelakS2

I haven't seen this Enter problem so far.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Avi_an_Avian

Neither have I unless the OP is referring to when you skip speaking when you don't have a microphone.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

Yes, that is terribly annoying. I agree. THEN I sometimes in haste forget another word and loose my streak of correct .Oh well I guess a lesson in reading and Patience!!!

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MatthewGBr1

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Don't get rid of the old info. It is extremely useful to have a nice count of what you have done and what is yet to be done.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mreaderclt

Exactly. The percentages are open to interpretation.

To me, Myra's post just further obscured the meaning of the percentages.

So in summary, Duolingo has paid people to come up with a more worthless way to measure progress and then paid more people to further muddy the numbers.

Thanks, Duo?

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/EliMP4

*Merci, Duo?

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ItsAndrewMane

I cant right now

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ausir

Looks like it's not just a question of interface change, it's now calculated more dynamically. Which I was able to observe since I still have just lesson numbers in the mobile app.

I still had more lessons to go according to the app, but a skill ended up being shown as finished early once I passed a couple of lessons in a row without any errors. So looks like the percentage is based on not only the number of lessons you completed but also on how well you do in each now.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam

Exactly! :)

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ItsAndrewMane

jiust joking bruh love you

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Radzot

I like this request. It was easier to plan how to invest my time in an area when I could tell how many lessons I was working toward.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RemingtonL5

They still use exact numbers on the iOS and Android versions, but that is kind of weird that it's different for the Web version.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/msinykin

Yes, something about how the percentages work on the web version means that they don't even seem to correspond to the exact numbers in the app (iOS / Android) versions. For example, on the web version I am 43% complete on Level 0/5 of Leisure (without having done anything; looks like an attempt to carry over credit from the old tree, or perhaps vocabulary credit), whereas the iOS app says I am about to start lesson 1/5 (of Level 0/5).

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/iamthenumber3

I know. I use both but I do wish there was a carry-over

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Eric590808

Indeed. I plan my studies around how many lessons it will take me to advance. If I feel I can squeeze in another lesson or two before I have to finish for the day, I might start earlier. Not knowing how many there are going to be has severely put a hamper on my productivity and fulfillment.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mike585980

Retarded, Duo! Why fix something that isn't broken? We liked it the way it was just fine. This new system kind of sucks. I'm already aggravated at it as well. Please change it back or give % and # on lessons both simultaneously...

May 29, 2019

[deactivated user]

    Yes. I 100% agree

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam

    Halo teman! Your question is very important. I think this percentage is not about lessons, but for how many times you have seen the words from the skills you have already done. It seems it is a new value different from the percentage of lessons for every level, or the old long-term memory retention (words), but I think it can help better with the perception of our knowledge on every skill, and with the lessons repetition. For example, if I choose to repeat lessons from a course to keep the tree golden (as in the skills system before crowns), then I try to repeat more times a skill lesson than I can perceive it is necessary (perhaps 3 or more times for skill), but I think this repetition cannot make a full percentage with the first try, but after several repetitions in different days. For some users, this new value is not important at all, but I think it is still necessary for users as me, and I really appreciate that this can help me better with the lessons repetition. Just my humble opinion.

    Selamat belajar! :)

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/richard777142

    Give Me A lingot Or The Bird Will Kill You

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/richard777142

    Give me a lingot or the d’où bird will kill you

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Peter154935

    The lesson-system has been replaced by %'s. Percentage of 100 (a completed skill)

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DanielVanD18

    Glad to be the person getting this over 100 upvotes!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

    @myra @staff @developers

    Hello,

    thank you for informing us and making it transparent what your team is working in the background.

    Preface:
    This post is mainly directed to their backend / analyst staff.
    See the epilogue update at the end.

    Quote: You will also be able to earn progress across multiple skills by doing global practice sessions.

    Sorry for only understanding maybe 20-30% of what you are writing (and I am an IT specialist myself)...

    Will there be a new http://making.duolingo.com blog article about your lowlevel code changes where I can really try to understand what you (try to) describe above?

    Sorry, I am a German native speaker.
    Not sure if English is the real issue here.

    More details or examples for different cases please so an IT specialist and backend developer can really understand it:

    Does this mean the PRACTICE button now works for "crown sessions" (=lessons) and redirects all "/practice" URLs internally and that we are not able anymore to only re-strengthen skills?

    How will it affect me on the web portal when I only want to REVIEW and re-strengthen skills, especially grammar and verb tenses which I may not have practiced for a while without leveling them up in crowns (not wanting to count them as "crown sessions")?

    People have been asking since the crown update rollout in April 2018 how to RESET specific skills back to a lower crown level or L0 if "progress" was too fast and they suddenly see so many more complicated - previously suspended - sentences hitting them hard.

    Will concepts like this not work anymore with your new approach?:

    https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/6176795/Best-Way-to-Make-Your-Tree-Turn-Gold-and-Stay-Gold

    How will your practice change affect my own strategy concepts which I described here?:

    https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29304553/HOWTO-Different-ways-for-spaced-repetition-with-skill-strength-viewer-user-script-and-extension

    If this really is the intent of the change:
    Can you please make it at least user configurable?

    If all those:

    • (very) quick global "timed practice" exercises or
    • normal global or skill re-strengthen reviews

    we quite often use as users nowadays count as "crown sessions/lessons" on old and recently learned skills which ONLY shall keep me "updated" or prepare me for dedicated lessons before or after I read the T&N on all those more difficult verb tenses and grammar skills I will be completly lost to be honest.

    I truly miss that your practice tells me at the end what 1-3 or 5+ skills have been re-strengthened!!!
    Why has this been eliminated in 2018? When will you bring it back?

    "Auto crown session progression" against my own will really would hit me hard, if I understood this part correctly!
    Especially when this would affect MULTIPLE skills all at once, without telling us which ones.

    You know, not every tree on Duolingo is about CEFR (Spanish, French, PT->EN); indeed, there are some nice old-style trees like English->Portuguese, English->Italian, Portuguese->Spanish, Portuguese->French were dedicated "grammar skills" are still available including verb tenses (IMHO the most complicated thing about the very hard Romance grammar with verb conjugations).

    Please keep giving us a daily / weekly chance to practice those selected skills without leveling them up in crowns so we can train ourselves on the same difficulty (crown) level.

    I really would need to reserve at least 30-45 minutes time if I want to do new lessons in those (very) hard(er) "grammar skills", and for a longer time I have not tackled my verb strategy concept because of this!

    Please do not take away any free choice from us!

    Quote: this one has been rigorously tested to ensure that the change will help learners of all levels.

    Question: What happened to the "L5 crown bug" where we only see the "beginner material" coming up (picture exercises, not many typing translations, easier words, short/easy sentences of L0/L1 difficulty level,...)?

    Is it fixed? If not, when will be the next maior backend code update?? Does your team have a concrete deadline in mind?

    Will all L4 skills auto-progress in crown sessions / lessons to the highest L5 level when we only want to PRACTICE (re-strengthen) them?

    Sorry to say, but this sounds (to me) like a nightmare if the system would now decide for itself and dictate over me how it thinks it should progress learning sessions even I have my own strategy concepts?!?

    ..(...)..

    And why the heck is the "Vocabulary Overview API" totally broken since a few weeks (or months) for so many skills in my EN->PT and PT->DE courses which contain many DEAD words and were the words strength number exactly shows me 0 (and not a concrete longer 0.0xxxxx number)??

    Honestly, it has been working much better in summer 2018 for my EN->PT course when the 91 skill tree update was made final shortly after.

    So many people reported about issues like this in the past weeks across several courses, so I am not alone.

    Have there been any API updates so practiced words do not register correctly anymore in your backend?
    When was this?

    You can verify this for yourself with the Tampermonkey userscript "Duolingo skill strength viewer" which uses your established API to calculate its own strength or simply by looking at the JSON stream of the "Vocabulary Overview" and strength variables.

    Is there any newer / better / more stable API which we could use?

    No matter how many times I PRACTICE several single selected skills, the words strength does not increase and the skill strength stays exactly at 0.0%!!!

    Something really must be broken at your backend side...

    ......or you have simply turned OFF your PRACTICE re-strengthen spaced repetition - this is how I currently understand it - and not allow us to fight against "words decay" when we use the www.duolingo.com/practice or direct www.duolingo.com/language/skillname/practice URLs?!?

    What is the name of your new A/B experiment so I can verify myself?

    UPDATE: Yes, I also see now the bespoken percentage of crown skill progress on the web portal instead of the single lessons to be completed to the next crown level.

    Example

    Currently I have over 2376 of 3818 DEAD words (15% total strength) in my EN->PT course.
    The PT->DE course shows 596/1171 (26% total strength).

    !! This is a desaster !!

    My other problem since a very long time is for my EN->PT course, that not all skills with their words are listed in the "Vocabulary overview API" stream: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/24416411/URL-vocabulary-overview-backend-stream-is-missing-4-verb-skills-words-list-incomplete

    For any reason, MULTIPLE "grammar skills" are missing; before the EN->PT update (old 69 skill tree) AND after the update was made final.
    Now there are different (grammar/verb tense) skills which are not contained.
    No, I have not verified this anymore in the past months...


    Myra, I would be so grateful if a lead / senior backend developer and spaced repetition data analyst could tell me how I can turn your Duolingo REVIEW system into a "power REVIEW" (per skill or globally) so I can:

    • at least only see 17-20 unique questions with words and sentences (no repetitions) per review session:

    -- The trees EN-PT and PT-DE are broken in showing me the same words and questions multiple times!!
    Most of the time with ZERO or very low question queue spacing! This has been the case for months!

    -- Every time I restart a finished practice session, quite often the same sentence popups up again.
    This is not very efficient and it also bothers me very much if you have to click the practice button 10-24x times to start review sessions.

    --- Q: Does your spaced repetition system not work for marking recently seen sentences (due words which you got right) as "seen" so they will not come up again for at least 1-6 days (correct) or 4-12 hours (incorrect)?

    • turn OFF all shown double / triple questions per session (when you got questions right; typed words quite often come back as multiple-choice or picture exercises are repeated 2-3+ times with different pictures...or the translation direction is simply switched)

    • have more than 17-20 questions (25/50/100 unique words) per progress bar:
      Review 100 0.0xxx strength weak words (especially DEAD words) like I can do on the Memrise web portal in a "classic review session" (100% typing, 100:0 L1 EN->L2 PT translations with RECALL testing)

    • turn Duolingo into an UNLIMITED power review for a defined 20-30 or 45 minute session (at best customizable):
      Progress does not end at 17-20 questions, you do not have to hit the "Practice again" button so many times.

    Has your team ever heard of Coojingle's "infinite learning" Memrise Tampermonkey userscript to extend the 100 words per classic review session??? (well, it is broken a longer time because of Memrise web code module updates).

    If the words strength, backend APIs, select algorithm for weak/dead words, question queue spacing per session, polling in unique sentences in the queue, eliminating double/triple questions, turning off picture exercises in practice sessions on L1-L3 crown levels,.... all do not reliably work or not play smoothly together with each other, I definitely have to say that my trees seem to be lost and I currently have no real idea how to be able to work with Duolingo.

    Yes, I am willing to put more XPs into to play the "catch-up" and fix game, but I really wonder why this is even required as I have not rested a single day or week for the past 2,5 years!


    I will try the next days to reread your text multiple times and check all the other comments and scan your replies to users and hopefully this will me help to understand it a bit better.

    Thanks Myra for taking the challenge and getting in direct contact with your userbase.

    With best regards from Germany

    Sorry for any spelling mistakes (will fix the next days) or when I used the wrong English grammar...I sometimes "could feel" that I got lost at some specific parts when putting more advanced sentences together and trying to describe my "direct German thoughts".

    Epilogue update:
    This post is not directed at a "broader audience" and for sure was not specifically written by me for a "normal Duolingo user", who is not working in the IT business (developer, 3rd level, not 1st level!) or related to such background.
    I have written it as fast as possible in the middle of the night and it is mainly directed to their 3rd level senior backend / analyst staff (only) to prevent severe damage or userscript programmers who know a bit their API backend stuff.
    Saying this, in the first brainstorming run for sure I have not even tried to triple check all my wordings or any possibly used IT acronyms or to formulate all phrases with greater care to make sure e.g that you may easily understand at least 70-85%+ of the above text.
    As while I am gladly open to specific questions from ANYONE and text improvement or further explanations I will not accept any flames on this post!
    If in doubt, please simply ignore this comment, thanks!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Monsieur.Starr

    Thomas --

    Thanks for so elegantly explaining the issues.

    You are spot on about "dead" words. "Dead" words that are not updated are a serious enough problem that I foresee I will no longer be able to effectively use Duolingo and will have to search for another solution in the future.

    And as for everything else you wrote, Thank you again for so clearly communicating our concerns and issues. You are not alone, I feel the same, as I see many others do as well.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

    Hi Thomas, I think you'll know if you have this update by looking at your lesson/T&N selection. If you've got a percentage of completion instead of 5/12 or whatever, than you have the new update.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/p8888r

    You are super at framing my thoughts/problems with duolingo.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/globulinus

    In my opinion it is just another try to get rid of the broken words. And maybe it works. If really all words you see get strengthened regardless in which skill they are defined, we finally can overcome the barriers imposed by dead words and missing strength updates. Hopefully the word list will become more reliable then.
    Percentage is absolutely meaningless without a total and so are the 'rigorous testings' using a dysfunctional and broken system. In my humble opinion it should be easy to test the relations in the data base via script and fix the errors. Instead, they remove, out of desperation, the options for indicating errors (another thing that could be tested by a script), prevent improvement by the community, force the users to input obviously wrong answers (just for being able to proceed) and measure things that can't be measured anymore because of these severe issues.

    EDIT: I've tested it. Unfortunately there is no change in behaviour. The broken words remain untouchable no matter how often they occur.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

    I have posted my experience with the "words-based progress" percentage level-up system for my new CEFR English from Portuguese (Portuguese->English) tree using the global/barbell PRACTICE button here:

    "Is the (words-based progress) percentage level up system real or fake": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32757695

    Copy and pasting my answer from the linked thread here:

    "Luckily the "words-based progress" - does not affect my completed EN->PT forward tree (L1-L3 skills) yet that much in the past 4 weeks.

    Yes, I do also see the given percentages and colored ring skills, but I have not noticed auto "crown session" (=lessons") completion so far when I hit the global blue / barbell PRACTICE button.

    I really need to button to work as it did before (strength words, which does not work as good anymore as before in 2016-2018).

    ..(...)..

    For my new PT->EN reverse tree (updated to 108 skills, aligned with CEFR) I notice bigger differences for the first 2,5 tree sections:

    • completed L1 skills from the first or second (tree) section are marked with a higher completition circle (>80-90%) the more often I hit the global PRACTICE button

    • at least two of my L1 skills have been auto- progressed to the L2 crown level even I had not started any new sequential "crown sessions" (=lesson) manually (I will check again, but I have to switch the tree first)

    • more L1 skills might follow soon according to the very HIGH completion word progress markers

    As I want to go with my reverse trees skill-by-skill, lesson-by-lesson and focus on 100% typing and seeing all the more difficult available sentences (especially with higher user error rates) and try to construct my own Portuguese sentences on the web portal, I would say that it conflicts with my own approach.

    The new CEFR tree has added much new content and sentences but many/several translations are missing as a valid "alternative answer" so the sentences shown on the L0 crown level might already move up in their crown chain automatically (based on user error rates).

    Why should I be interested, when I want to practice Portuguese (as the source/base language) to SKIP over any available content?

    So if I should guess:
    It might work a bit differently for the newer CEFR trees (Spanish/French from EN, English from PT/ES) than for the "old classic" trees?!?


    Have you read the other recent 2-3+ threads that the system suddenly seems to only give you 4 lessons on higher crowns and drops the 4x2 (8) / 4x3 (12) / 4x5 (20) repetitions?

    The new CEFR trees use for NEW skills quite often a low lesson count (3-4).
    Higher lessons like 6-10 still apply sometimes for old skills which have been taken over from the previous tree version and have not been removed or restructured yet.

    Either it is a bug, an intended change or a new A/B experiment."

    June 21, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/grungefairy74

    lol

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Madcre8tor

    not sure why people downvote for lol-ing, I had the same reaction

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Leafhuntress

    Because it is nothing? It adds nothing?

    Thomas Heiss takes the time to construct such a large post which might be helpful to some & should be extremely helpful to the goblins of Duolingo if they deign to look & i'm supposed to be impressed by a non-entity that types in 3 letters?

    If you have nothing to add then add nothing. Posting something only leads to static, it detracts from the more important messages.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CinnamonTe1

    In most cases I agree with your sentiment that people shouldn't make trivial posts. However, I also think the "lol" did express that Thomas' post was entirely too long for this forum. The fact that his update says he wrote his post for the developers, would indicate it shouldn't be posted in a forum for regular users.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Captain_Caps

    It's good that he posts his informed opinion and questions in a forum for regular users. He's a regular user independent both of his career and the concerns and perspectives it may bring to his questions. It's no different from someone who critiques changes in design based on their experience with webdesign, accessibility in educational content or just personal aesthetic preferences. Or someone who questions changes in the language tree with concerns that reflect their particular way of learning or a professional expertise in the study of language acquisition. This helps to improve discourse by adding new perspectives and carrying didactic value.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/jairapetyan

    @CinnamonTe1: Oh, so please tell us where there is a forum for developers?

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ember644

    I agree

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Noobest_Noober

    yikes

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Greybeard4

    At first glance this sounds like a good idea. But I have a background in software development and testing that makes me look for edge cases and unexpected behavior.

    Can you confirm that progress on earlier skills will not give a crown level unless all words at that skill level are reviewed at the difficulty for that crown level? I don't want to get a crown level unless I got a complete review of that skill.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/n35w101

    I'm in IT (business analysis & project management). I love software developers that can think outside of normal use cases. Take a lingot.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/dITieFxA

    I despise developers who are arrogant enough to discard normal use cases, forcing users to find workarounds to get the software to do what it is supposed to do.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/mredigonda

    This also worries me, from what I have seen so far, higher levels of a skill make you have to not only translate sentences, but write them in the language you are learning, which might be considerably harder (in Russian, for example), and I wouldn't like to move up levels without having to do that.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Klaudialk

    Super -- but could we please have this in addition to displaying the number of lessons per topic?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ausir

    Looks like it's now more dynamically calculated, based also on your performance during the lessons, instead of a set number of lessons per skill level.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Klaudialk

    Oh, so in the same topic at the same level, one user might complete it in one or two lessons, whereas another user might need to do five or six lessons? That's not clear from the opening post...

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ausir

    Yes, that's what it seems from my experience so far.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Klaudialk

    Ah, that's interesting! Okay, this could be really useful, especially for languages I'm fairly good at, but had my tree reset -- lookin' at you, French!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

    looks like then I'm going to be doing much more lessons than most as I do my lessons rather poorly.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JuliaSwa

    Do you want to prioritise completing lessons or learning the material?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/mreaderclt

    Is there anyone from Duolingo that can actually take a few moments to answer the many questions about this change?

    I see the forums are beginning to fill with even more questions.

    A hastily written hit-and-run comment weighed down by jargon isn't very helpful.

    Duolingo does a lot of things well. Communication isn't one of them.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ixnari

    Duolingo does a lot of things well. Communication isn't one of them.

    Which is baffling, considering the entire purpose of this site is learning languages.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/TENCHIJIN.

    Hello myra.

    Shortly, does this interfere with grammar review?

    What if sentences covering grammar A,B,C,D,E,F all have the word X in them, and I encounter one of them. Let’s say I encounter the word X in a sentence covering A and B grammar but am in desperate need of reviewing grammar C,D,E,F as well. Will encountering of the word X in that A,B sentence block other sentences that cover the grammar I actually need to review?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/A_Sesquipedalian

    Excuse me, but I’d like to debate your point that you tested the ‘look’, which is to say the graphics. When you released the current graphics, the majority of people disliked them, and gave the (regrettably accurate) point that Duolingo now looks like a children’s resource. I have also read many posts from older learners that the current style can be difficult to read clearly and gives them eyestrain. I have seldom seen official responses to these problems.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

    A few people complaining on the forum is not a majority.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/A_Sesquipedalian

    I would also disagree with this. There were also complaints in the ‘clubs’ resource. I would admit that this may still imply a sense of bias, but most of the type of people I am assuming you are talking about start learning a language then unfortunately get bored of it and leave within a month- these are the people the graphics are aimed at.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ErikPrntar

    The graphics look so much better now imo, much cleaner and has a clear style.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/A_Sesquipedalian

    I feel we will have to accept each other’s opinions.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/dITieFxA

    You say the data shows this change results in "significant improvements" for beginners and intermediates while also "encouraging advanced learners to continue". What data? Did you collect it within the framework of Duolingo or are you talking someone's unrelated thesis? What proportion of people were put off by it?

    Personally, I don't care at all about your cutesy little metrics and games and competitions and social interactions. I just want to learn the language.

    Repetition has value. I do enough lessons in a skill to learn it to my satisfaction, then move on, and then return to past skills to keep them fresh. If you arbitrarily remove portions of skills you deem already "learned" then I will not be able to refresh those skills. You may even count a skill as "complete" long before it otherwise would have been, completely eliminating any opportunity to refresh whatsoever. This means I will start to forget earlier information, increasing my frustration, and encouraging me to look for another program. I can do that, I suppose, but it's a shame. I had found Duolingo to be useful, the web version anyway.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

    Well, you point out a very interesting bit. What are the beginners, intermediates, and especially advanced learners this was tested on? The courses go at most to A2. There are beginners around here, there are some intermediate learners reviewing and strengtening their basics (that means people around B1 and B2), but I doubt there are many advanced learners still using Duo (C1,C2). I can't imagine, how could any % improvement make the tree worth it for my advanced languages, or how it could "encourage me to continue", truth be told. But if this makes it better for the earlier levels, it will be nice.

    I actually like this new idea to finally make learning on Duo more personalised and adapted to how well you do in the lessons. However, it all depends on the implementation, I agree. The logical thing seems to be giving us the opportunity to refresh everything with the "practice" button, but who knows.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Furstin

    I'm pretty sure that beginners, intermediates and advanced in this context is how far people went with there tree and crowns. Not A1-C2 levels

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

    Well, that is a good assumption, but we don't know it is really so. And it wouldn't mean much, as the bigger differences are between the really different types of users not between those who have 100 crowns and those who have 300 (for example). An intermediate coming to review and a pure beginner will be different and use the site differently right from the start with 0 crowns. From the little we were told, I think this overall change to a more dynamic progress might help the not-true-beginners the most and it would be great, if it was really one of the intentions of the team.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    This is indeed what's happening. I have completed a crown just through the use of the practice button.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/erikrichert

    I honestly don't get this. Why the focus on vocabulary to the exclusion of grammar?

    If I understand correctly this is what could happen with this system:

    -Unit X covers Imperfect

    -Unit Y covers Imperative

    -Unit Z covers Past Perfect

    If units X, Y and Z have a lot of shared words I could get X filled in by training with Y and Z only. The problem with this is that then I miss out on the grammar training in X.

    If this I am incorrect here please correct me, because I don't think this is a good system. Vocabulary learning shouldn't be at the sacrifice of learning grammar (or vice versa).

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/mreaderclt

    So what is the formula? What performance factors are used to calculate it?

    In my mind, the progress number used to be straightforward and had some value.

    Now it's a muddled mess based on a formula nobody other than a few Duolingo employees have ever seen. It's nearly meaningless.

    If it was tested so rigorously, why is it already changing just a few days after rollout?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Shelby.AM

    Hello! Thank you for letting us know about this change. Is there an option for us to opt out if we don't like it? I use the lessons for grammar more than vocab, and I want to make sure I don't miss anything. I like having control over my process/progress. Also, I just like making my tree look clean (getting a section to level 3, the next to level 2, etc. (basically, the method that Duolingo was recommending us to use!!!) It's a method that I find very motivating and that I've been using for a long time and this will make it impossible.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    Well now your tree will look like you have left lors of skills unfinished, unfortunately :-( .

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Furstin

    Does the percentage fade away if I haven't practiced certain words for weeks?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/RealSkilledApple

    This is kind of where my head is at. Maybe they got rid of the number of lessons because the percentage will be more dynamic. I admit, I prefer a number of lessons instead of a percentage, but if it's dynamic I get why they made the choice to change it.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/erudis
    • 2210

    Didn't we have that before the crown system? I'm pretty sure we could earn progress across multiple skills with the global practice, though I don't know if it was only because of the variety of sentences, or if it was also within the same sentence, as explained here. Not that I'm against it, but we had both that and spaced repetition before, so it's weird to see it being called a change to a "more realistically modeling learner knowledge".

    I'm hoping that also means people won't have to do the useless extra crown levels in alphabet lessons for languages like Korean or Japanese, for obvious reasons.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/acopperlily

    Yes, I remember being able to strengthen up to three skills during one practice session. And they even showed you which ones! I would love to see this feature being re-implemented.

    However, this change also seems to affect how many lessons you actually have to complete in each skill. This is what's confusing, and I hope they can better explain how it works. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet, but it's annoying that I can't just pick up where I left off.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

    Yes, we did have this before the crowns!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

    This change sounds like it will give us a more balanced and realistic view of our actual knowledge.

    If it also means less repetition for words/lexemes that are already known, than I see this as big improvement.

    Chapeau !

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

    Thanks for the notification!

    This looks like a really good change, it is probably meant to be combined with the % change? Or will it affect the 2/5 structure too and for example move us to 3/5 in an earlier skill? Could the % be properly explained, please?

    From what I've read, it seems confusing to many people, because the % don't fit the number of lessons. And the % takes away some value (easier planning) without adding any, at least as far as we were told. Are the % based on the words and not the number of lessons then? Combined with changes like this one, it might actually make much more sense.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/kohoutseks

    While your at it why don't you listen to the users next time?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/oskalingo

    Why would you listen to users when you can have them run through mazes with cheese at the end?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

    Strength for crowns? I do find I learn some words from old skill sets by doing new skill sets. Will this show what lessons we "strengthened"?

    Also what about words that I don't know yet, from a previous skill set? For example I know 90% of the words from a skill set, but not all. Will I get a crown or will it make sure all the words are learnt? Are the lessons then tailored made to what I don't know? How can I review words I do know? Review is always good.

    What if I get correct answers by using the hover feature but don't actually know the words yet? Will it register I do know them? Is this based on exposure to the words in new skills sets or actual algorithims that prove I know the words? How can you prove I know them? Only I know whether I know them. You can test out of skills while only knowing 90% of the content. Some of that requires learning while you test out, but also guesses.

    Will this make sure I can spell the word, not just make a good guess or recognize it? While I appreciate that Duolingo lets me get away with typos as a learner, I would also like to be able to hone my skills by having Duolingo make me spell it right once I got good at it.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

    sounds like that with the new system that it will count you as knowing them if you are writing in the right answers and then count you as knowing things in other areas.. which then could end screwing up your whole learning here.

    This is a good thing though if it stops people from looking up the answers to then get the right ones in so that they dont get things wrong and hence then unfairly get more XP due to then getting all correct streaks cause they cheated in getting the answers right one could say.

    I rarely get long streaks so dont get much of the XP bonuses as I guess the answers I don't know.

    I hate with the new system how it's put me into the position that if I was not guessing answers I did not know and giving them a try rather then just looking them up so I could put in right answers, I'd be getting a lot more XP due to having more in a row correct. So I'll be so glad to have this fixed and those doing that stopped.

    .........................

    I agree completely that it would be great if Duolingo did not accept spelling errors at the higher level of things eg level 4. That is something which could be changed which would not get everyone complaining and which would make the site better for learning

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

    Yes, I would like to know more about how it works. I haven't tried strengthen yet to see what it does to my circles when I use it.

    Hmm, I usually get bonuses on the new lessons because, I'm learning the words and have to look at them anyway. I suppose you've finished your tree by the looks of it.

    Read your bio. Sorry to hear about your illness. Hope your German gives you a way to grow and expand your horizons!

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    The new words you see whilst using the hover button will count as progress in the skill they belong to, even if you haven't done that skill level or learnt the word before.

    It means less discipline in learning within the lesson structure but more points/crowns, like in a game. So yes you probably will end up seeing words and not learning them.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LingualLightning

    Sounds great! Thank you Duolingo!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/S.A.Debre

    Duolingo could change it's design to a bunch of pink and brown rectangles, remove 2/3 of the languages and change its logo to a picture of Interstate 465 and you would still find a way to agree with all of it.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/kkkkkkaterina

    And you and others on the forum will always find reason to complain...

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Leafhuntress

    Utter nonsense.

    I've not complained about any other update. I even regarded the whole test out XP thing with bemusement.

    Now this? It's idiotic & bad, so YES i will complain about it.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/S.A.Debre

    If the update is good, I won't. But most of these updates are just objectively bad, because they take away features for no reason.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Laurenda4

    S.A.Debre I agree with you. Duolingo has been pretty stable since I started last June, which I liked, but now it seems to be changing by the hour. Now I'm not so sure I will be able to complete the course after all, because I might get fed up with the continuous changes. Every day I record all figures (xp, question from, to and total, that day's xp, and so on), so I can do my own analytics on my progress, but that information is getting harder to find, if at all.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Laurenda4

    Ok, so after looking at the values for the top 16 in the leaderboard, I'm totally baffled. I've decided to ignore the values shown by Duolingo, and record my progress myself. I'll carry one learning, and ignore whatever changes Duolingo make in future.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    Well, no. This is a good update. XP bonus for well-executed lessons is a good update. Crowns is a good update.

    By that I don't mean "objectively". What I do mean is "in my view, in the view of many others, and according to Duo's extensive A/B testing". Well OK, I more or less mean "objectively". ;)

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/uphilldweller

    I've been looking for a picture of IS465 - thank you Duolingo.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/A_Sesquipedalian

    To be honest though, a design of pink and brown rectangles, perhaps in Microsoft paint, would be more aesthetically pleasing than the current system.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42

    I, for one, think that that sounds fantastic and should be implemented immediately.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Marc41177

    It's not a "heads up" if your doing it at the same time as the thing you're talking about. A "heads up" is an advanced warning. Language should probably matter here.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JpFan3

    When you level up in Japanese it introduces the kanji form of a word, which are Logograms(symbols) that represent a word. In the early levels, it also introduces how that kanji is spelled and pronounced(hiragana/katakana/kana).

    Could this cause us to miss learning a kanji by its word by leveling up the lesson past this stage?

    We may get a further problem as not all kanji have a sound due to bugs and the spelling is the only way to know the pronunciation.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Madcre8tor

    I had exactly this problem several times. Learned Genki and had no sound and never saw the Kanji before :

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Avi_an_Avian

    It could be language specific

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LudmorHun

    Is this related to this new behavior that now as I progress, my older lessons also grow in percentage? (I normally level them up to 3.) I also noticed that sometimes the bar decreases on these unused old lessons. Is that because the word strength is fading, or because I explicitly made a mistake on a related lesson?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo

    From Duolingo support:

    There are no plans to make skill progress decay over time.

    https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002253131-Crown-level-decay-and-spaced-repetition

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LudmorHun

    Okay, then I have no idea why my progress bar is now lower for certain lessons than a week ago. Although the "lost progress" was not organic anyway, so I don't yet feel that my actual effort is wasted. It's just weird and I don't understand.

    Yeah, the link says they might have rearranged those lessons, but... well... No way to tell with the new percentage system.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

    maybe with the changes some new sentences were put in so the previous progress dropped???

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LudmorHun

    They keep dropping still :/ And in various rates. Probably they wouldn't if I actually did these lessons, but still, quite mysterious phenomenon.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

    So it’s going back to spaced repetition? Awesome!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Zia177448

    So if I understand this correctly, anytime we use a word, the percentage for the skill we learned it in will go up? To me that sounds like we'll get less practice in the long run, since we won't have to actually practice that skill to work towards the next level. Less practice is not really a good thing in my opinion.

    I find it particularly troubling that global practice sessions work towards leveling up the skills. I often use the practice sessions if I get the feeling I'm not remembering things as well as I should just by doing the normal skills. With the new system, this won't work anymore as I'll automatically be "progressing" and I'll get less practice in the long run. There should be an option to at least opt out of practice sessions counting towards progress.

    It also makes my previously neatly waterfall-like tree rather messy, which is annoying, but is probably something I'll get used to.

    The new system sounds like something that would be useful if it would be combined with a decay of the level five skills. Decaying skills could either be refreshed by words showing up in other exercises, or by deliberate practice of those skills.

    I do like that it seems like words and sentences that I have difficulties on seem to be be repeated in later lessons more than they seem to have been previously.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    Excellent comment I like the idea of level 5 skill decay rather than get to gold and you are done!

    This was in reply to Zia177428 but got put a bit lower down.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

    Paul153436: The Strength of all skills, no matter what their Crown level, decay over time. Duolingo still calculates the Strength of each skill, but unfortunately no longer displays it. However, at https://www.duome.eu/Paul153436/progress you can see that of the 7 skills that you currently have at Crown level 5, 2 have 100% Strength, but 5 have only 75% Strength and so need practicing. IMHO, Strength and spaced repetition was/is probably the best feature of Duolingo, since it enables you to practice those skills that need strengthening without spending time on those that are already strong.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    Thanks Graham. I am aware of duome but I don't see why the actual application can't show this strength/decay/health type information. It is like buying a house and being told that if you want windows you have to go to another supplier (duome!).

    Just imagine when you have a full level 5 gold tree and ask yourself each day 'what shall I practice?' the tree shows no indication of where to start. Okay I could let the 'Practice' dumbell work it out for me but I would rather choose which ones I do each day.

    Surely the Duolingo software team could indicate where our weaknesses lie.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

    Paul: I couldn't agree more! I worry that the calculated Strength is going to disappear in the future. It's already impaired by the "dead words" issue that Thomas Heiss has noted on many occasions, as there are now an increasing number of Skills that you can't restore to 100% Strength no matter how much you practice them. Perhaps the "words-based progress" updates will result in that getting fixed.

    Fortunately, duome continues to provide some terrific features (e.g. the ability to sort Skills) that augment the Duolingo experience. It also prevented me becoming unglued about this %age issue, as duome shows the progress by no. of lessons :-)

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

    Maybe they wanted to keep track of the words learned more than the skills completed?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/RelakS2

    In this case they should start a word teaching part of every language. If you know Anki, you know what I mean. Skills and word knowledge should be measured differently, I think.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    It's called TinyCards.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Afina-

    This! Zia, thanks, I think absolutly the same. Take a Lingot!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    As far as I understand it, yes, this means that you will get fewer repetitions for words that appear in multiple skills. Note that recently we had a slew of people complaining that crowns "forced" them to keep redoing easy skills for words they knew, giving them unwanted repetition. It's not like Duolingo can win; users always find something to gripe about...

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    My gripe with crowns is that once you have a significant number of gold crowns you have no idea where your weaknesses lie. This should be easy to determine based on words not done for a long time.

    Otherwise I foresee getting a completely gold tree (I've been there before) and not having a clue as to which subjects to practice.

    Am I in a minority with my concern about not seeing strength\weakness?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JJstheman

    Love this update so much!!! Thanks Duolingo team!!!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/C_R_A_Z-Y1273

    I have no idea why your getting downvoted. I guess people are just to stubborn to accept the fact that some people actually like the new updates.

    Have a lingot and an upvote.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DanielBugel

    Downvoting is not for disagreement, but for lack of value to the conversation. I try to get relevant and articulate contributions to the top.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JJstheman

    Thank you so much!!!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/gcmartinelli

    because the downvote mechanic encourages toxic behavior in this community

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

    I agree, the percent is unintelligent because it gives us less! information! If you are anal and have to have the percentage, then quote both. 4/25. But 4/25 is a percentage once you multiply by 100. However, we can't extract the original information back out!!! Put it back the way it was please.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

    If I understand this correctly this minor interface change to % combined with earning progress while doing other lessons sounds like a good idea that solves proper issues.

    Like seeing the same words over and over in different lessons or the same lessons, sounds like that should be reduced so you can spend your time learning stuff instead of going over stuff you know backwards and forwards.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/acopperlily

    It might be a good thing, but I'd really like to see which skills are earning progress each time I complete a lesson. It's also not clear if the total number of lessons in each skill is affected depending on your progress.

    I used to be able to give my tree a quick glance and know how to proceed. Depending on the day, I might choose to review older material or focus on something new. Now I'm completely lost because I can't tell where I left off.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo

    Learning to touch-type two languages and doing many lessons quickly in row is one solution. That way you can investigate your tree broadly and find skills that you want to focus on.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/acopperlily

    Forgive me, but I don't understand what you mean by this.

    I'm currently working on eight trees, and the time and effort I can spend studying depends on the day. Now some of that time and effort will be spent trying to figure out where I left off, but I guess I can just record that somewhere and try to keep track of it.

    I suppose I can reference duome, but it's not as easy for me to read and gets cumbersome with multiple trees. Maybe Duo could bring back the Activity feed and have it record which skills you worked on. That might help a bit.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Kelly_Tacker

    How does touch typing have anything to do with finding where you left off on a tree?

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ngraner42

    I did an experiment. My "Future" skill on the Spanish tree was at 32% and showed 0/4 on Android. I did 4 lessons on the web and this is how it went:

    0/4 32%
    1/4 46%
    2/4 68%
    3/4 82%
    0/4 25% (at level 1/5)

    I forgot to track sentence count until the last lesson, but I think I counted the full 20 for that one. So I have no idea what Myra meant when she indicated that there would be actual effects.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LukasGroth

    As I understand it, when you do the "Future" skill and encounter a word from the "Food" skill, it will advance both skills.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ngraner42

    That is what I was thinking. But something caused my "Future" skill to advance in percentage but I saw no actual effect on either the number of lessons I needed to do nor the number of sentences needed to be completed. Have you seen an actual effect beyond the cosmetic change of giving a percentage (that we have no idea of what it is a percentage of) and hiding the actual number of lessons remaining.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LaurenceKellett

    I'm interested in your comments on the ability to earn progress across multiple skills by doing global practice sessions.

    Hypothetically, does this mean it's now possible to complete a 5 crown tree by getting to level 1 all skills, then clicking "Practice" and bumping all skills up to 5 crowns?

    Have I misunderstood this point?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ngraner42

    You seem to indicate that this is more than a display change - "... you should notice fewer repetitive sentences in the basic skills." Could you explain what you mean. Will you have less sentences based on words you have already seen or are you reducing the number of exercises that need to be done or is it something else?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Monsieur.Starr

    When I first read this read this is I was very excited. I have some words that I have not been able to convince duolingo to increase the strength of. I went to great lengths to search every skill where the word was. I increased some skills up to level 5, but the words I was targeting remained at the lowest strength even though I saw them over and over again in the exercises.

    So when I read this post I immediately went to test it out. I used the word "hôtel" as an example. I went to the travel skill and did a couple of practices. In at least a total of 10 of the question contained the word "hôtel". Yet when I went back to look at my word strength -- "hôtel" is at the very lowest strength.

    So I guess I misunderstood? How do I increase the word strength for "hôtel"?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/memitsch

    I don't like this. I don't want to get progress in a "Question" skill, because of some random words. In that case, I didn't get progress in "Question" skill because I practiced asking questions, I got progress for practicing a random word.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    When something like this is launched could a 'News' item be made available, without being too obtrusive, to let people know why the change is taking place.

    This might avoid lots of people raising forum discussions perhaps without the full facts to hand.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    I'd say that you are commenting on exactly that news item.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    I mean 'News' as in Duolingo reporting facts and benefits rather than discussion in the forums which could be written by anybody and therefore is not the natural place to go for news.

    A lot of other websites, games, apps differentiate between 'news' and 'forums'.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LaurenceKellett

    This post was written by an Admin, and so as per hanspersson's comment, I would say that you are in fact comment on the news item for this update.

    However, It is quite ambiguous. It's not an obviously official channel/release note. You're right.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CinnamonTe1

    Everyone learns at a different speed and some people need more practice than others before advancing. This new algorithm is advancing skills without users confirming that they've actually learned the material.

    I've had to repeatedly practice the same Chinese characters over and over again to remember the meaning and pronunciation. Just because the computer has a record of me correctly answering a sentence twenty times doesn't mean I should be automatically advanced to crown level 5. I may very well be using dictionary hints, but still unable to remember it naturally.

    This is a terrible update and it makes zero sense.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CA-93

    I unfotunately agree and am starting to wonder if I have to throw some answers so my lessons aren't reduced. Problem is, I'm not sure I will be able to guess which question or word the algorithm will count against in future lessons. There seems to be a real divide between those that like this update and those that don't. I'm beginning to wish there was simply a checkbox in settings where we could opt in or out of lesson reductions by Duolingo. That would be one way to satisfy the most people.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CinnamonTe1

    The top threads are mostly about people complaining about how their skill progress is displayed. Whether a skill says 50% complete or 4/8 is a trivial non-issue for me. I don't even think they read or understand how the word progression algorithm is going to interfere with their learning progress. If these ideas were actually tested with small groups of users they would get better feedback before rolling out these disasters

    Great idea by the way, users should have the ability to opt-out. .

    May 27, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Nal_Messer

    so if i see words that i know but already completed previous skills, i won't earn percentage? i just made 14/14 correct lesson and earned 1%. I completed all previous skills, had over 50% progress on 5th level of skill, then finished over 10 lessons (with some mistakes) and reached only 91%. Does it mean i shouldnt finish level myself, just go to another skill and let previous skills finish 'themselves'?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

    that sounds right.. before all the changes I noticed that level 5 could have 25 lessons in it.. so doing 10 lessons and having it raise by 41% sounds right. I'd think from what we've been told yes, the new system should encourage people to move through their trees and not stay on the same lessons till fully up... which was something duolingo has recommended against but so many were still doing it.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ExtraImaginator

    Personally, I find this update perfectly fine.

    Yes, DL (Duolingo) may be changing things to the way they want to, but if you understand, they want to show a more realistic progress report rather than "OH, YOU DID A LESSON MULTIPLE TIMES AND KNOW EVERYTHING WELL, HERE, HAVE SAME EXPERIENCE," get it? If you get a small bonus for the words you have already learned, what's the fun of it? At least they're making an effort to change the site for the better.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sguthrie1

    I came to this discussion page to learn about "leagues." They are new for me, so I was hoping to read about this new change. However, I found this instead.

    I am confused. What is a "skill". Is it simply a new vocabulary word? What is a "global practice session." How do I do one?

    Regardless, I'll jus keep on doing lessons and learning. That is the point for me. At least the lessons are still there.

    Because they keep changing, I seem to make little progress. But I know I am learning to read Spanish, regardless.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LukasGroth

    A skill is one of those circles you do. "Future" or "Basics" etc. A global practice session is what you'll get when you don't do one specific skill. You can access it by clicking on the dumbbell icon. You then get sentences Duolingo thinks you should revisit.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GeneralDis1

    Why you can't also show the number of lessons in a skill? Just the % takes away information. Put it right on the start button so it says 'Start 2/5'.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CA-93

    My main concern with this is now I am showing a percentage of completion in lessons I haven't even started yet. I don't want to skip or miss out on lessons just because Duolingo thinks I don't need them. If I wanted to test out of lessons, I would go ahead and do that. I'd rather take my time and really learn and review each lesson. As it is, it looks like I'll finish the tree in a few months and that's with me only doing 5 new lessons a day.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

    That's rather weird, isn't it? I've still got 33 Skills in the new French tree (Tree 12) that I haven't touched yet, and every single one has a %age greater than zero. The highest is 37%! Yet when I click on any of those Skills, it still presents Lesson 1. So perhaps we won't miss out on any lessons.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CA-93

    I really hope we do not. I am feeling rushed and need to use tinycards more for vocabulary drills. I prefer Duolingo over Tinycards and didn't need to use Tinycards for over a month and was getting the vocabulary just fine with Duolingo before. I don't know if this is a result of the change or not, but it is not encouraging to see progress in skills I haven't even started yet.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/mynameisElyse

    Question: Does this new system apply to general practice (the dumbbell icon)? Are you able to improve multiple skills through there too?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Afina-

    (Sadly) yes, it does it with my tree. No matter what you practice, everything gets leveled depending on the words in the exercises.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    Which is the way it should be. When you practice "singing" in the context of music (a music skill, perhaps) you are also practicing "singing" in the context of singing to your wife (a family skill, with dative objects snuck in, or whatever).

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Afina-

    I wrote a reply to the other post. But no, that's not how it should be for me. This way I can't focus on a specific skill enough simple due to the fact it levels up to fast and level 5 exercises are not the same as on lower levels. I.e. I need to practise adjectives a lot and with the focus beeing on adjectives but I won't be able to do so because adjectives get thrown in in different skills, therefore the adjective skill gets leveled up and I run out of the lower level exercises.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Marc41177

    Presuming skills are differentiated by vocabulary, and not grammar.

    If you use "sing" in a past tense module by this logic you're also practicing using it in reference to the future as well ("I used to sing" "I will sing tonight"). But being able to use the word in one form of sentence doesn't mean you need less practice in the other form.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MustaphaMondeo

    Definitely models language learning better. Uncertainty of what you know, how it applies, and where one might find out more are modeled really quite accurately.

    Personally I suspect the team are as clueless as we are about how duolingo works. I bet their induction for new team members is a comedy of obfuscation.

    If they were genuine about providing free language learning their code would be open source. To let us as a community take it where it needs to go.

    Nevertheless, Its still much better than nothing.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MatthewGBr1

    The data show that this change results in significant improvements for beginners and intermediate learners while also encouraging advanced learners to continue their studies even as the topics they encounter become harder and harder to master.

    Let us accept that. So you feel that extra info is a help. But why remove information that is also useful. I rely on knowing how many lessons I have done. I note how many lessons it takes to run through the new material. This is the number needed to get to level 1. Then all other levels are multiples of that number. I use this information. Please do not take that information away. I am quite disturbed by this change. Please put both the percentage AND the number of lessons back on the screen.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LaurynnSnow

    I love this change. I just wish there was a way to easier see what lessons you are getting credit for. I'm using the practice feature, and the only way I can seem to tell is by having another tab already open to my tree, and then comparing the difference between different tabs.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Rezano_Khaggio

    As a Duolingo app user I have no idea concerning this change...

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne

    I love this new update! Thank you, Myra! <3

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DCNvW4

    I am also a vote for also showing the number of lessons. I do like the way percentage is being calculated and I do like to have it but the number of lessons gives me an idea of how much time I can spend on a category during a particular study session. Please consider restoring the lesson count. I use it every day and I miss it.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/scottcookson2

    Good update, I can see how this would make the system more responsive to what you're actually practicicing. One drawback (IMO), though, is that it gets rid of your indication of how many lessons are needed to finish a skill. I know that progress is based on accuracy now, but maybe clicking on a skill could still show how long it is and how much you've completed, using the number of "perfect" lessons needed as a baseline for example. It seems to me like that would give users the information we're missing right now.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ofred19

    I'm happy this change has finally been implemented.

    Is there any chance you can add a notification at the end of strengthen skills which shows all the skills that have been strengthened? Duolingo used to have this back before Crowns were implemented. It would just be nice to see some kind of indication that progress is being made.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    I agree but just do fractions not percentages i.e. 1\5 not 20%.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/wizeguy9285

    This still doesn't seem to be accurate when testing out of skills: I'm getting the same words over and over again and not getting some other words that should be tested (mainly sentences with some of the grammar lessons that are covered)

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/carrdgzgar

    Sounds great so far. I strongly disliked Crown levels when they went public a year ago and I find these changes to alleviate what I think was wrong with the former ones. Now the Practice button helps to level up Crowns, which is the feature I missed the most at that time.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ron437256

    "... rigorously tested ...???" By whom? Seems to me, DL does their testing by "springing" changes on users a few at a time, and then ignores all complaints and confusion expressed. Changes should be ANNOUNCED ahead of time -- with the reasoning for the changes. Then users' feedback should be responded to before the change is completely implemented. Your after-the-fact explanations are seen as excuses. Presented as "preview" of changes being considered, maybe there wouldn't be so much backlash. Finally, are there or are there not a FIXED number of lessons at each juncture? If so, then why can't BOTH a fraction and a percentage be displayed?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/br0d4
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    Seems to me, DL does their testing by "springing" changes on users a few at a time, and then ignores all complaints and confusion expressed.

    Then your impression is wrong. Duo always tests all the new features, in most cases on the new users who are unaware of the old features. At any given time, there up to several thousands of tests being run on selected groups of users.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/msinykin

    Although they apparently do a lot of A-B testing, I think their approach is sometimes subject to sampling bias — this is actually pretty hard to avoid.

    For example, when they went to Crowns, they said it resulted in users making much faster progress. Sure enough, at first I made very rapid progress because I was re-doing easy stuff that I had done before. When I got back to where I had been, progress what about the same as before.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    That's irrelevant. What you want is to look at the progress of people who start with crowns compared to people who start without crowns, which is why they start looking at new users. People changing from one system to another is an edge case.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Rijk169768

    Dear Myra. I do not like the change.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/AndroidKanada

    Getting minor credit for previous skills is OK, though perhaps not as exciting as DL staff think. But losing the view of how many lessons we've done, and how many remain, is annoying. As has been alluded to elsewhere, could you show both, e.g. "81%, 7.3/9"? One decimal place on the lesson count will do, and I think anyone can figure out how many lessons to get to the next level (two, in my example). This currently lets me know when questions will start to repeat, and therefore when to take a break from reviewing a skill.

    I notice that many questions are repeating within a single lesson, even though I have answered them correctly, and that's getting a little annoying. Has this change caused a change in the question-selection "algorithm"?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien

    Starting today, you may notice a small change in the way Duolingo displays your progress.

    This is quite a large change, actually.


    It is certainly a good idea to strengthen words from previous skills, but the percentage system is very unpopular. I will make sure to use an ad blocker on Duolingo because of this change.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sevenjetc

    I welcome that the practice is now progressing the skills again. I used to use this tool a lot to make my tree golden before the crowns were introduced, and stopped once it did nothing towards the progress of my skills.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JasRay

    Merci Mayra

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/compsognathus

    Cool! That seems like a more accurate way to measure skill in words! Great work!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/AneMai

    Merci Duo!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/IanPlatino

    Hi Myra. As a matter of interest how do you get to know this information? I am guessing the little star next to your picture means something?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LingualLightning

    She's an Admin for Duolingo.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/coastaltown

    Still getting extremely repetitive sentences though...

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    I've noticed since some time back that most of my skills suddenly had partly-done progress bars and suspected that this was what was happening. Apparently I was in the A group for this test. In effect, this is a return to how things worked when I started working on my German tree two years back. Then you could occasionally get several skills marked as completed by doing one; the difference was that at that time you had no clue as to the partial progress of your skills.

    For my particular use case of learning by working on skills on different crown levels concurrently this makes it a bit more difficult to see where currently I am but that's a minor quibble. This is a good idea.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Asaclubs

    I like the word-based progress, but I think we should also get to see "X lessons to next level"

    I think this works with the percentages better than X out of Y lessons, since it might seem strange to jump from 3/10 to 4/10 lessons without ACTUALLY doing a lesson in that skill.

    "X lessons to next level" suggests that each lesson progresses your percentage progress to the next level.

    It's a small distinction but I think it meshes better with the update.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sevenjetc

    I don't think it would be possible for me to use the global practice - as we all know, not a long ago, Spanish tree switched to a new one. Which meant that many skills I had there from before moved to the B1 section and I have long forgotten them since i did them casually like two or more years ago. So now if I do global practice, they come up even though I would prefer to just Practice the A1 or A2 part of the tree...

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    Does this explain why when I went back to the top of the tree to do 'Greetings' say I found that I did a few lessons and suddenly the whole thing was complete and I got a crown when I expected to have to do 25 lessons?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ciliolindemberg

    I wonder when you will learn to listen to your users, and I don't mean the majority. I mean those who suggest updates should have an on/off button, like me. We, we, who are actually learning and feeling the impact brought on by your updates, we should be able to choose how we would like to learn, instead of just imposing new updates... When will you learn this? When??? When there's a better app than you? Watch out. That day might be just around the corner... Once more, such a sad move, Duo... =\

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

    Well, I would settle for clear explanations of the bigger changes, perhaps the bigger picture actually makes sense but we weren't told. And the on/off button would actually be the best reason for me to start paying for Plus :-)

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/phongnguyenduy10

    Global pratice sessions? Sounds like an examination or mini contest for all Duolingo language learners every week! I hope it'll become available soon :D

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Leafhuntress

    The dumbell is your global practice session, it is a way to practice something from your tree that needs repetition. The leagues are for competing against others... Nice if you want that, horrible for those who wish to opt out but can't, not really.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    Are the leagues not yet on the web, or are they just hidden so I don't notice them? I haven't seen anything of them apart from the griping in the forums.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Greybeard4

    Check your privacy settings. They can be disabled there.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Kelly_Tacker

    I haven't gotten them either. They're probably being tested.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/KJ4IPS

    Does the system still use a static number of lessons per topic, or is it moving towards a more content based approach (review and introduce items at a given level, until all have been introduced and reviewed to some benchmark).

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Kayl575411

    Okay, my knee-jerk reaction to this update was 'not fan'. However, I love it now.

    The way I used to use duo was this: Bring new lesson to crown level 3 over the course of several days. Hit the practice button about 5x per day, constantly practicing the new lesson and reinforcing old things. Eventually, when I think I've got the new skill down, I'd just hit the 'test out' button to bring the skill up to crown level 5.

    Now I can bring a new skill up to crown level 1, and my practice button work contributes directly to the crown level of that skill. This is great! I'll just mash the practice button for week or two, and my repetition with the new topic is credited toward my crowns.

    I've been harsh toward some other recent changes, but I like this one!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GabriellahM

    what happens if we are praticing one level that effects another that is not yet unlocked?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/stephbutler19

    This makes it really hard to "complete" a lesson because I have no idea how many lessons are left! I do not like it!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    This makes it really hard to "complete" a lesson because I have no idea how many lessons are left!

    I don't understand this argument. I just started a new skill level, and reached 33 %. This tells me that by finishing this first lesson of the new skill level, I've done a third of the skill level, i.e., 2 lessons are left to do.

    If at a higher skill level, there are more lessons to do, then you will get a lower percentage indication, for example 4% if you finish one of 25 lessons. If they are 23 lessons, it will be a little more than 4%. In any case, you will know that there is still a lot to do (which is exactly the same information you got when you saw 1/23 lessons).

    I think it is just something that we need to get used to. But I like the general idea: That practice done in higher skills can advance the more basic skills. This degree of progress cannot be expressed in "lessons", it can only be expressed in percentage. I really like this because, as I understand it, we don't have to do as much repetition of basic stuff as before.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CinnamonTe1

    The new algorithm is completing lessons that users have never started.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    As I understand it, it does not complete lessons, but it merely reduces lessons by the material that we have already sufficiently studied in the course of a more advanced skill.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CA-93

    Reducing the lessons is what I don't like. If we got bored or wanted to do spaced repetition, we could simply move on to the next lesson and go back to the earlier lesson when we wanted before. Those who want to , can simply test out of lessons as well. Now, Duolingo reduces the lesson and makes that choice for us rather than letting us decide for ourselves. I would much rather have the full lesson and choose when I'm advancing myself.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    Well, over the years I have seen a huge number of complaints about "boring repetitions".

    People are different, and my impression has always been that those who are bored by repetitions are a vast majority (this was already the case before crowns were introduced).

    Duolingo now tries to respond to these requests for a reduction of repetition, which is a good thing because they listen to their students.

    Those who want to have more repetition should use the "Practice" button more frequently, I think. In this way, the different requirements can be reconciled.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

    I think you have it right. I saw yesterday I had 25% another lesson I was at I think40%. two more and it was done. ( Although I often dont finish a level in a day. I wait and come back later so I know I retained the information. I do thiis across several skils. that way there is always a progression... If I could give you anothe positive to erase the negative I would...but I can give you a LINGNOT!!! JAHA

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/rolosrevenge

    Can you completely level up in a skill this way?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Proverbs_2_6

    Ummmm there was one point where I had a skill "100% complete," and yet it did not advance me to the next level until I did another lesson... Did this happen to anyone else?

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DaveNewhouse

    I have not noticed that. However. I sort of like it. If you trully know it the skill will be a breeze and a good review then move on.. I wish I knew what was moving forward. A daashboard of each session, day, week or such would be great!!

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Artemisia...

    Thank you for letting us know. I noticed a couple of days ago that whilst skills were complete on the app, they looked like they had gained some progress on the browser. This happened because I use alot the practice button lately, because the number of phrases per session has disappointingly shrunk between 7 to 12 (on the new Norwegian course). With my other languages I still get about 17 phrases per session) Is anyone else is having that issue of too little content per session?

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Alec851453

    Very nice, and thanks for pointing this out.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LuisGalvez69697

    Thanks Myra, a more than interesting change.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

    Great step

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/illeionathan

    I love this! It's the perfect way of practicing spaced repetition without causing the lessons to get boring. They really seemed to dumb down with the new update to the lessons but that from happening since the words you would've already practiced a lot would already have gotten a boost. Way to go!

    Also, a lot of people in the comments are pointing out that they would like to seem number of lessons rather than percentages in terms of progress of a lesson. My theory is that it will be different for everyone, since everyone will be practicing different skills that would cause the number of lessons inside one specific skill to vary.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Gabriel589496

    Looks like I'm going to break out my " ye olde " math skills...

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/TVBZZ

    This means less repeating myself in exercises? I don't like it. To my experience, the repeating exercises are what makes it good. I do all exercises on a keyboard, striving for a flawless spelling. Because Dúo is very forgiving for the use of accents, less repetition will ultimatly result in more (approved) errors on my part.

    Also... I finish a chapter completely, up to level 5, before continuing to the next. So there are not much "previous" exercises to boost.

    Anyway.. It's changed now. So I'll get used to it. I guess Duo has done it's homework before making this drastic change. I trust the data wasn't wrong. Thanks for the continuing efforts Duo! :)

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    I've found it works better to not do an entire skill from 0 to 5 crowns at the same time. I work new skills up to one crown and then move on to the next skill until I have more than five skills at level one. Then I go back and to the first one to level two. Then I go down again and do one more new skill to level one, and then back and do the top level-one skill I still have to level two, and so one. Once I have more than five level two skills I start going back there as well to make one level three, and so on.

    After a while, I will have skills at all levels. This method means that I introduce new material continuously, but also repeat the old stuff a number of times mixed up with the new stuff. Just going from 0 to 5 in one go and then calling it done is not as effective to remember it for a long time.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Afina-

    You won't be able to do this anymore because you level up no matter what you practice now, depending on the words in the exercises. The skills that get leveled up even flash up after the exercise. I don't like this at all because now it's impossible to keep certain skills at a certain level.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    It seems perfectly possible from what I've been doing lately, even though my tree is still a bit messed up from the introduction of the new version of the French course. But I don't mind if some skill in the middle shows a higher level than it "should" according to my model. That would just mean that I know that slightly better than the other ones near it, and I'm fine with that. In the end I'm here to learn, not to play the game of Duolingo.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Afina-

    I'm here to learn as well and not play. I don't care about the leaderboard and what else. But I might just not like it due to different styles of learning. I.e. I wanted to keep my animal skill at level 4 and not gild it up the whole way, but due adjectives beeing quite difficult for me, therefore practising a lot, my animal skill is already half the way to level 5. Another skill got leveled up a lot as well that I've barely even started. I'm not able to focus on the skills (verbs, grammer) this way simply because they level up to fast and for me it takes away specific practice opportunities too. The level 5 skills don't have the same exercises like lower levels and there are not many lessons in the first place.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Marc41177

    Does it mean you know it better, or does it just mean you know vocabulary introduced in that skill better? They are very far from being the same thing.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LaurenceKellett

    Previously I was an advocate of TVBZZ's approch, since the repetition helped it to stick. Going from 0-5 without changing the lesson meant you could spend hours doing the same topic which really drilled it in.

    I've since realised that following your method might be better from a holistic learning and comprehension point of view, rather than just memorising words.

    Interesting to hear you tackle ~5 at a time. I was wondering what number. Doing the whole tree to 1, then 2, then 3 seems way to big. 5 is a nice number...

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    The number five is somewhat arbitrary, of course, but I've found that it's far away enough that the lesson is not in short-term memory but still not so far off as to be forgotten. It works for me, but I suppose it may need to be adjusted somewhat depending on how many lessons you do per day.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LaurenceKellett

    Aye, of course. Each to their own learning style.

    I'm definitely finding that for contextual awareness and overall sentence structure and understanding, cover multiple lessons works better than perfecting one.

    I miss the repetition, however.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Leafhuntress

    Heads up, i dislike this new system & have enabled my ad blocker. A heads up is actually something that you do in advance, not after the fact...

    1. The percentage system sucks & is bad for my learning, because i can't plan my lessons with this inherently unstable & unpredictable way of calculating "progress".

    2. The forced addition of leagues is awful. I want to be able to opt out without losing my 'friends' & others.

    3. And we still haven't gotten a DARK MODE. Something that people have been asking about for ages.

    Yeah yeah, duolingo is free & i shouldn't complain... Well, i used to pay with my eyeballs by viewing advertisements, not anymore. Fat chance of me buying plus with these terrible changes!

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/NavanyRami1

    I love Duolingo and you

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Wen-Yueh

    Good!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ljredux

    Sounds good. Thank you.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/IanHollis4

    Good idea, poor execution.

    The percentages should be shown elsewhere (and explained - i.e. X% of words in this skill") and each increase should be happily shown popping up after returning to the tree at the end of every lesson. Do that and revert to 'X out X' for the amount of lessons a person has done/has to do, and you'll find the users a lot happier.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Tgundersen96

    Muchas gracias!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DaisyGoodi

    THANKS

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

    This change I like the sound of if I'm understanding it correctly as it will stop some of the current issues going on.

    I still though want them to bring back the number of lessons in each section even if this new system will make the number of lessons look strange due to say having 5.46 lessons or some strange number left due to someone getting credit in that section for words which came up in other sections.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DCNvW4

    After now trying it for many lessons, I find that I REALLY MISS having the lesson count. The percentage is helpful and I don't dislike it but I can't gauge my time needed as well as before and I really liked knowing how many lessons I had left in a topic. IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING! Please bring back the lesson count!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sean405747

    I don't like this at all. It makes my whole tree look messy.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Adan800734

    I'd like to request a flashcards memory mode based on one's current knowledge of words so far in their lessons. That way one can always keep their full vocabulary fresh in their mind. Maybe even give users the option to only include flash card words that have low "strength", they haven't encountered in a few weeks. And an option to search and include separate words for practice that they have already encountered elsewhere into their "words learned".

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo
    May 27, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JohnBraman1

    Duo, por favor, por que practice words like "ensalada" that are so familiar to english speakers? There are so many lessons, where easy words are used that don't help to expand vocabulary. Too often I see "la ensalada" offered as a vocabulary lesson. Please, challenge us a little more... thank you.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    For German learners, the challenge lies within the gender of the word: "la ensalada" is feminine, whereas its German equivalent, "der Salat" is masculine.

    Many words have several dimensions that we need to know in addition to the pure meaning of the word: Conjugation forms, collocations, relative pronouns (for example "la ensalada ... passámela"). We need to know and thoroughly memorize all of these dimensions.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CA-93

    I couldn't agree with you more here and the need to focus on these aspects of learning is why I dilike the lessons being reduced. Also, I enjoy fine tuning my pronunciation when practicing earlier skills where I've mastered other aspects such as grammar and vocabulary, etc.. DuoLingo may notice that I'm practicing a skill that I get perfect but they have no idea what aspect of that lesson I'm personally focusing on.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    I don't think that is such a great change. I had to open a second duolingo account to get to practice the material that the practice button TOO RARELY/NEVER provides, which is the last completed skill.

    So I practice alot, hoping to FINALLY get to work on the last skill, and all I do is keep progressing in earlier skills and open more vocab which I will then practice until I have unlocked all crowns, when it is the latest skill that I am trying to master to be able to move forward to the next one.

    There are so many threads where people are asking to get to practice the tree from the bottom to the top, that's for a good reason.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sevenjetc

    If you completed the skill to L5, then you can just click on it and hit practice on that particular skill.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

    @Sevenjetc @Ninon.de.Lenclos

    Quote: If you completed the skill to L5, then you can just click on it and hit PRACTICE on that particular skill.

    This limitation only applies to the official "crown overlay UI web frontend" and the newer mobile apps.

    Indeed, you can practice (re-strengthen) even L1-L4 crown skills:

    • Duome progress page: http://www.duome.eu/USERNAME/progress
    • Duolingo skill strength viewer userscript
    • other available browser strength addons which might also support the "direct HTTP skill URL" practice link

    https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29304553/HOWTO-Different-ways-for-spaced-repetition-with-skill-strength-viewer-user-script-and-extension

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    Thank you for the tips!

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/john515950

    Why can't I advance to the next level. I've completed all previous lessons with at least a "#1" and yet it says I need to achieve a level one in all previous lessons. It is very frustrating as I have reviewed the subject matter several times and I can't see any lessons that I haven't completed with at least a #1, in fact, some of done more (2,3,4). Please help, and thank you for the free content, I appreciate this site.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sharon275517

    Have you done the checkpoint test at the end of your current section? Castle icon in a purple circle or pentagon.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

    John: I assume that you've done the Checkpoint, as you're already done 2 of 3 lessons in the Feelings skill and 2 of 10 lessons in the Present Perfect skill. You have to complete both those skills before you can progress further down the tree. Other than that, I don't see the problem that you have.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LyndaFaul

    I love that the global practice sessions will count toward skills progress.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Elin.7-1

    Well that completely screws up my revision practice.

    Since the removal of Decay, I decided to get to Level 1 in each skill, then go back and practice...but if those earlier skills level up all on their own without me going back to them, then there will be no opportunity to practice.

    Pah. Bring back Decay - since it was DL that introduced me to the concept and linked to papers explaining how important it is.

    June 2, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/GrahamWarr

    Elin: Skill strength decay hasn't gone away, but Duolingo no longer displays it. However, Duolingo still calculates the Strength of each skill, and this is visible on your duome.eu page. I use that all the time to guide my study, and I thought Strength was one of the best features of Duolingo, giving the site added value. I'll be very sorry if Duolingo stops calculating it and/or duome.eu stops displaying it.

    June 2, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Brit_In_France

    Sounds great!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Eevee11078

    Cool update

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/sc_ville

    This sounds like a good change, thank you

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/gcmartinelli

    Cool! But when will you add grammar tips to Mobile apps? I've seen threads here that are 6 years old and this is still not a native feature on mobile... and such an important one.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Shelby.AM

    I have tips on the mobile app and have for a long time! What platform do you use?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Daniel589120

    Is this similar to fluency %?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/NoNoEsImposible

    No, this is unrelated.

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Chartreux

    Myra, you guys are making great progress this year!

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Anas276

    Hey Myra, I've got a question for you. Can you tell us how the Latin course is doing, is it going to be out soon and why there's no flag yet? Tell us a little bit about it.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

    When there is new information about a course in progress, this will be posted as updates on the incubator page in question. In this case here: https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/la/en/status

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/cerez00

    Hopefully this will finally be a change for the better.

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LukasGroth

    Any information on when it will come to the Android app?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Oliviaaaa9

    Wow, you guys put a lot of effort into the lessons :)

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DarioTensei

    Will word bank be available for all languages or just the top few that people learn?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/AdamScott794079

    When does this come to the app?

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ondotarro

    ¡Estupendo!

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MarcelaCan404622

    it amazing

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/KogtistiyG

    And here's my reaction to all this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4u9bfWy-BE

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/-Jesse-B-

    What is a "global practice session"?

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    It's when you use the dumbbell symbol to practice the content you have studied so far.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Diana143064

    Thank you for brilliant lessons which are so enjoyable Diana

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ejade9

    This word based progress is really cool.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Mike302207

    Thank you.

    May 27, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Chuchuana

    thank you for the change! ♫

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Kiyomice

    Isn't this basically Duolingo going back to how it was before we had crowns?

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    I don't think so: Before Crowns, you couldn't decide to do the tree just at level 1 or 2. You did not know how thoroughly you were studying the language.

    All this was hidden from us, and we only got information when the system thought that we should work on a skill. What we were doing, at what level (in today's terms), was invisible to us.

    Today we have much more freedom of choice. If I think it is enough to be able to passively read a language, I can simply keep it at crown level 1 or 2 and practice it on that base.

    So I understand the current change as an improvement to a more sophisticated system than it was before Crowns.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/gulna1

    Does it exist a Duolingo for teachers?

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/LouisA.Wal1

    Aha! Now I understand why I've been progressing in skills I'd already finished even when I wasn't reviewing them. This seems like a good way to avoid redundancy.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Bill314159

    Where does one find "progress"?

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/CalebCromp1

    ya I saw it a pit later

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ember644

    Cool

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/ishibashisutecki

    i think so too then i think that i should be changed by everything(including study ,meditation,action ,other...) then

    someday i will be able to see my goal

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/raydpratt

    Regularity has the virtue of supporting habit. When I first started using Duolingo, I found it depressing to see my skill levels dropping faster than I could finish the course. I had to make a mad dash to get to the end of Esperanto beta and Spanish. When that changed, and numbers did not drop anymore, I found it more enjoyable to march towards the end. I also enjoyed knowing how many XP's I was away from the next level--now I don't see that. I like marching to a goal. Now, I guess that I will just be floating.

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/chloe122uk

    this change in displays is not bad. thanks.

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Dorothy799906

    Great!

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sevenjetc

    Unfortunately, what I was fearing would happen happened. Instead of practice coming up for the part of the tree that I am currently in, it keeps testing me from the stuff put in the Spanish "B1" section of the tree...

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ninon.de.Lenclos

    Same here. It only makes me practice the basics.

    So moving up the tree gets harder because you can't practice the last studied material. The only option is to keep working at the skill that you want to practice. Some people like that, some don't. Thing is later in your tree you will end up having lots more practice of the skill you advanced in. So if you practiced adjectives to level 4 to really know them well, you will end up doing lots of adjectives practice later on, which won't help either.

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/pvtsnowman

    Why is the mobile app so much different than the web view? Also noticed that when you try to test out of a level on the mobile it only lets you do a certain amount before asking to go to plus, but you can do as many as you want on the web version.

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Teme23

    Is that why I get 4 lingots every time I finish a level

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/tbcenglish

    This does not help. When time is short, I may want to finish a specific skill but I no longer know how many lessons that might be. If you can't just go back to the numbers, at least give us both options.

    May 31, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DouglasPri13

    I don't understand the point of this update. This took a clear indicator of the progress in lessons towards completing a skill and made it less clear. In practice it seems nothing more than an artificial offset to the progress ring. All this seems to do is make it artificially look like you have completed more lessons, and only confuse matters for skills where you have not started yet. No thanks.

    I have completed several skills now completing the skill side by side in the web which has this update and in the android app which does not. It takes the exact same number of lessons to complete the skill in both cases. So all that has occurred here is Duolingo has set the starting point for a skill to some arbitrary percentage, for example 34%. While I am sure there is some real calculation behind this percentage, for me it is arbitrary since I can't see how it is calculated. So now I see my percentage will increase like 34%, 47%, 60%, 74%, 87% instead of 0/5, 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5.

    This does not motivate me, this frustrates me, as now the progress ring does not give me clear information anymore.

    June 5, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

    @DouglasPri13

    Quote: So now I see my percentage will increase like 34%, 47%, 60%, 74%, 87% instead of 0/5, 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5.

    This does not motivate me, this frustrates me, as now the progress ring does not give me clear information anymore.

    Thankfully our Duome author provides now a nice solution to this visible lesson progress dilemma:

    http://www.duome.eu/USERNAME/progress

    You can now even sort your skills by "lessons".

    June 5, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/brian968059

    Question: With this change to percentages what's the most effective way to go through the crown levels currently? It use to take 4 levels each to get to level 1-2 & 8 levels to get to crown level 3, it seems that i have to do a lot more than 4-8 so how should we approach the crown system since this change?

    July 5, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Greybeard4

    Levels 1 and 2 still seem to require 4 levels each for me. I'd recommend doing all of a level 1 one day and 3-4 days later do all of level 2. This should give what you learned a chance to fade a little and then you can reinforce it with level 2.

    Your work on more advanced skills will help progress the earlier ones, so part of level 3 will be done for you. Check Duome.eu to find which skills are at less than 100% strength and do 2-4 lessons on them. The work on advanced skills will be reflected in there and you should be given words you haven't practiced recently.

    I know you asked about going through the crown levels, and this doesn't answer that very directly. But I'm more about learning the language and think of the crown levels as a tool. I also address how to try to do spaced repetition which is considered the best way to learn languages. The making duolingo blog has a post on spaced repetition: https://making.duolingo.com/how-we-learn-how-you-learn

    July 5, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    The link you provide is about strength (knowledge) and how it reduces with time. I think it is a very good article.

    Unfortunately everything in the article seems to have been abandoned because there is no way of seeing on the crowns how your knowledge reduces with time! Perhaps someone at Duolingo should read the article again or simply take it down if they no longer believe that it is true!

    July 8, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

    @Paul153436

    Quote: The link you provide is about strength (knowledge) and how it reduces with time.

    Unfortunately everything in the article seems to have been abandoned because there is no way of seeing on the crowns how your knowledge reduces with time!

    You have to use Duome, the Tampermonkey userscript or browser addon/extensions to make the decay visible.

    https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29304553/HOWTO-Different-ways-for-spaced-repetition-with-skill-strength-viewer-user-script-and-extension

    Unfortunately, the "vocabulary overview API" (which is being used by "Duolingo skill strength viewer") seems to be broken since the few web updates (or maybe since several months, I am not 100% sure when this started) as I now cannot re-strengthen single DEAD words (0.0 strength) or skills quite often....it affects more skills, not only 1-4.

    It definitely was working - with some restrictions (e.g I am missing several "grammar skills" in my EN->PT tree in the API stream!!) - better in 2016-2018 to re-strengthen words related in a single skill, especially after the June 2018 EN->PT tree update when the update was made final after a few weeks.

    July 8, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Greybeard4

    Yeah. That's why I also include the duome.eu link. It's not ideal to have to go to another web site, but the data comes from a duolingo feed.

    July 8, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/HolyT
    • 1710

    Please fix the bug that prevents some skills from getting to 100% (different from user to user). I have 4 skills in Spanish-to-English that won't go to 100%, or do get to 100% but then revert in minutes. Other users have reported similar behavior in many forum threads and I have not seen ANY Duolingo acknowledgement. Thank you.

    July 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Paul153436

    Hi I believe you need to put this in the Troubleshooting forum otherwise it won't be seen as a bug. Check if anyone else has raised the issue by searching first then if they haven't create a new thread. You will need to add the platform you are on e.g. PC, Tablet .... operating system and how to recreate it so they can find the problem. Hope this helps.

    July 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Bartleby

    I think this has finally made Duolingo usable again, after years of dumbing down. Please don't change it back!

    July 17, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Sam223Wing

    Hi just wanted to say have awesome year!

    July 17, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MaryJohnso17

    Thanks for the heads up.

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Janice43024

    How do I get a code for school.duolingo.com

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Fr0stedFr0st

    Nice update

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/DoubleJeopardyBB

    Wow. Thanks.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    I think this is a very good change because it reduces the need to do "basic stuff" since we can cover it by doing the advanced stuff.

    And I don't see anything negative about the percentage indication. If I do a lesson, I see by how much my percentage increases, and from this I can deduce how many lessons are still left.

    As far as I can tell, an excellent approach. Thank you very much! :-)

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Lycorias

    First of all, no.

    The claimed purpose of Duolingo is to teach languages, but the recent UI decisions show that the company is clearly more concerned with gamification and making the site "prettier" or some crap like that.
    Percentages as opposed to lesson count hides information from me.
    Making it harder to see how many XP I've gotten over the course of the week hides information from me.
    Moving stuff around, changing coats of paint, and generally tweaking how the site looks just to justify paying a web designer makes the site harder to use, and therefore, big surprise, hides information from me.
    And your idea of a "heads up" is to issue a stupid, bland, 'oh yeah, we did that' after the fact, which is not a heads-up, as a heads-up is a warning in advance.

    The only "lesson" I've learned is that Duolingo doesn't give a steaming load about helping people learn languages, it's just trying to make money off of stupid gamification decisions. For a website that's supposed to be about language, the staff does a piss-poor job at communicating.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MichaelMoore2004

    @Lyrcorias: You're constantly spreading hate around these forums and it is getting quite tiresome. Your posts are also ignorant and make little sense, you sound like an arrogant, entitled adolescent that expects the world to be delivered to you in a golden box.

    If you hate Duolingo so much and believe that they don't care about teaching languages, why are you still here, keeping up your 394 day streak? You're free to leave, no one is keeping you here...

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieFlann1

    So how did you get this information Mayra? Do you work for duplingo?

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

    Yes, she does. People with a blue ring around their avatar picture are staff members.

    May 29, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Cypx15

    When will it be available for dutch from english please ?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JacobBasan

    walter

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/robloxpro1234

    efvj'

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/robloxpro1234

    hello

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/mathematiker1

    .

    May 30, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/UmerSheka

    Thank you very much. Merci bouque.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Laura690423

    maybe you wanted to say: merci beaucoup :)

    May 27, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Marc41177

    Mercy bucket ;)

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Ammar_Turky

    Cool stuff, but why does the browser version get less love than the mobile one? why we don't we have leagues here yet? I doubt it'll even happen as we never had clubs previously too...

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Kelly_Tacker

    Actually, some people do have leagues on the browser. I think they're testing it.

    May 26, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JeviylaRid

    I already know this but thank you

    May 25, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/robloxpro1234

    d

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/robloxpro1234

    d

    May 28, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/keachalol

    true

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/JenniferRe642046

    When I do lessons on an iPad after the pictures (which look like flash cards) are covering the text so I cannot see what the question is. Anyone else having this problem?

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/kohoutseks

    Probably better to ask for help in the trouble shooting fourm, you will get better awnsers there.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/Laurenda4

    I've experienced this too. I found it helps to adjust the browser zoom level.

    May 23, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/MustaphaMondeo

    I've been offered questions with no answers whatsoever. On the iPad. There is no way round it. I wonder what they are trialling? Maybe selling anger management courses? Didn't work. I just laughed.

    And why is everything in bold?

    May 24, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/msinykin

    I reported the bold issue as a bug and also in this discussion: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32061288

    May 27, 2019

    [deactivated user]

      So true

      May 25, 2019

      https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

      I'm having it on my laptop. I've sent several e-mails. Sometimes it works sometimes not. They don't test very well, that seems to be self-evident. I'd rather be learning than discussing new problems some novice programmer created

      May 23, 2019
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