https://www.duolingo.com/StevenPaul626112

The League Competition - how to acquire points quickly and lose your reason for being on Duolingo.

So when I began the League competition, I was buzzing through my lessons at my semi-slow rate and I saw that competitors were moving quite rapidly to the point where I could see that there is no way, they are learning and getting everything to sink in. When I rushed to go faster my mistake rate went up. So when I started in the league I was in the lower hundreds of points and figured out a way to get to the top ten. ....but I noticed that some people were putting in 1000,s of points! Then I found a way to cheat the system which distracted me away from learning at my own rate and also distracted me from learning period! The cheating the system to acquire points is to go to the max level (level 5) on any lesson then simply repeat that same lesson over and over. This week, I wasted my time just for the sake of promoting to the next level just to see what was going on in each level. I acquired as of now with a couple of days left 6376 points. I am in second place though with a Turkish Duolinguist who has 7830 points. Every day we kept passing each other up. So now that I have confessed my sins, I plan to get to that last level (currently at Saphirre) and then drop out completely.
My suggestion to make the league playing fair is to make it that points only accrue for different lessons learned and not for repeats of the same questions so people like me cannot cheat the point system! :)

Steven.

May 24, 2019

120 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/mwbrand1

I eventually worked my way to the Ruby league when I realized that I was more interested in XP than in learning. This week I made my profile private which removed Leaderboards. For me, it was the best thing I could have done. I'm now back to focusing on my target language. I'm no longer concerned about placement levels or making small mistakes causing me to lose a bonus combo. Since dropping out of Leaderboards, learning my target language has once again become fun and relaxing.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SeanMay4

Thanks for this tip. I just did the same - much better.

For anyone else who wants to turn off the leaderboards (on the web version, anyway):

Move your mouse pointer over your profile picture in the top right corner

Select Settings

Select Privacy on the bottom right

Deselect Make my profile public

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Rachel935718

Thank you so much for these instructions SeanMay4. I have just made my profile private, and I am so relieved to be rid of the leaderboards!

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mrdcware

Thanks for this. I used to like the leagues to motivate me but with this new leader board watching cheaters who have earned 2200 XP lifetime get 1000 xp in two days is really turning me off using the app. I have switched to privacy and am getting back to just working my way through all the lessons. I really hope Duolingo gets rid of those boards. Also even if you are on privacy if you are following someone or friends with someone you can still track their progress to motivate yourself unless they go to private as well I think.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jan447179

I want to track down my Spanish club members! How do I remove myself from leagues that I do not like? It does not help my Spanish learning!

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Johnsouza.vix

Totally right. That competition only makes people care about the freaking points. And everybody who finishes them quickly fool the system.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/JLuxe1

Thank you. I didn't know I could make my profile private. Being able to see the leader board was kind of a bummer for me because I tend to take my time and take notes while working through each section. Now, I won't have to worry about it...

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/rrlear

Thanks for the tip! Wonder if enough people do this, DL will recognize that it isn't working for some people.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Rachel935718

I've just dropped out of the leaderboards, and I feel relieved. I had started to focus too much on XP, also, rather than the real learning.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ronald591816

Been there, done that, got the avatar. I was doing so much duolingo to get to the ruby that it totally ruined my weekends. Did I learn anything more than I would have going at my own pace? I actually learned less and got annoyed more when somebody that I would never see again kept overtaking me at all hours, and all for what? I had to swich the leaderboard off so I could reclaim my weekends (thanks to somebody on the forum explaining how to do it)

Duo certainly doesn't want to make it easy for us to turn off the leagues, I know people say "just don't look" but it's easier said than done.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

Is there a way to turn the leagues off without losing our previous friends we had before that was all introduced here (which is still accessable through the Your profile part)

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mwbrand1

This Duolingo topic provides information on turning off leagues without losing friends: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32301709

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/uebergeek

That link looks like you would lose your friends to me. Am I missing something?

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mwbrand1

Hi uebergeek, in the link that I referenced, Thomas.Heiss said the league panel can be removed by using uBlock Origin. Here is the exact quote:

Thankfully we can remove the Leagues panel (html/css code) with "uBlock Origin": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32303805

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

You are correct. You lose the leaderboards and no one else can see your friends (including yourself) or your profile.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SmokeyIX

On mine, it always says "Join the leagues! You have to complete (an X number of) lessons to participate." Duolingo gave me 20 lingots and said I was in first place but against who? I don't know. On mine it's always off and says I need to complete as many as ten lessons to join. Sometimes it's four or five lessons. Usually it's ten. It's so weird.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MaynardHogg

Thanks for the "Been there. done that. Got the avatar."

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Ruggles-Wolfe

Oh my. You just confirmed why I had set my Duolingo privacy settings so I'll never be in or see the competition.

I like taking my time. Make sure I read the discussion pages. Challenge myself to think of 'other' correct ways to type the sentence in my target language (for French: questions as inversions or « est-ce que », "they" as both elles/ils, vous/tu etc).

Kudos that you figured this out so quickly! Bravo!

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TobiasNV

Thank you for the tip.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Exactly, I'm in second place on bronze, first place has 80,000 xp overall NO CROWNS, literally 0 (meaning she's not completed a single skill level, and on the board for this week 2500 xp (first 1700 in an hour). There's literally no legit way to get that much xp in an hour. It's a useless scam. It's also not grouped by FSI language difficulty grouping (at a minimum). So Hebrew is a level 3/ medium elsewhere; Spanish is a level 1 (easiest to learn for English speakers). Most of the group is Spanish to English or English to Spanish. How is cheating and pitting different difficulty levels useful?

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

I've been teaching myself hebrew for years. (I've translated 97.3% of the words in Torah.) Yet the "test" was utter garbage. I eventully dropped the course it was so bad for me. Are you finding it to be useful?

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Philip_H.

At first I only scanned this post and didn't think much about it. Then the "80,000xp" and "NO CORWNS" registered.

Know what? I never thought about it, but, yes, I could write a bot that did the lvl Zero practice questions and just let it run while I do other stuff. Seems like a neat exercise for software-engineering. But nothing to break a sweat about.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/rodianhobo

I don't disagree with you, but on a pure learning level I think that going back through lessons you maxed out previously isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially as you get into the higher tiers of your language. Review is an essential component for creating a solid foundation of knowledge imo

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

the thing is the people doing this know the answers to the sections they use to cheat with to heart, so they actually are not learning anything anymore from it. They purposely choose a section they already know well (rather then one they need to work on) so they can do it as fast as possible, over and over.. it's became how fast they can get XP rather then what they need to review or learn

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LynnCarey3

If one is doing duolingo for free, going back over lessons is not an option. If you know of a way to do this kind of lesson review on the free version of Duolingo, I’d love to find out. Thanks.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

You can repeat lessons, as Thomas mentioned on the site, in the app you just hit the skill and the practice button.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jimws

You have probably already found out that once you reach level 5 on a given section you can then tap on that icon and a review will start.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Songve

You are on the way to become a predatory capitalist.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/StevenPaul626112

Thank you Songve! But that is not my ambition. But I thought it good to let the Duolingo folks see this and see if they want to make changes to the League competition.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

that's one of the reasons why I really hate the league competition as it was only too obvious to me that people would be able to cheat and it really can mess up peoples learning when they are going for XP rather then trying to learn. It's turning the site into a games site rather than a language learning site

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LynnCarey3

Only if you fall for it. It’s hard to resist, though.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

I've been "moving up". But haven't seen any of the "cheaters" yet. I' guess they're all above me. I do everything lesson by lesson, unless it is utterly simple and boring. Then I just test out and jump up a level until it gets more challenging. Is this the "normal" way non-cheaters to do it, I presume?

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Songve

Trying to learn Vietnamese and Chinese is challenging enough for me just to do a few lessons a day much less worry about how I rank on something that is easily manipulated. My only game is making goofy comments in between lessons and pulling my teeth out. Spanish is there for a refresher. Not like the other languages where none of the doggone words are like English and in Chinese where I have to become an artist to draw all those ideograms and logograms. It's like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea...

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/JaneOdin

I'm impressed you learn 'Chinese' - I would just wish Duolingo would change the name to either Chinese (Mandarin) or Mandarin (Chinese) - I assume you learn Mandarin, could be Cantonese ... but I haven't checked the course out (yet)

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Szei

I wish they had Cantonese. It’s so hard to find proper learning materials for Cantonese whereas you can find Mandarin everywhere.

Of course, many more people speak Mandarin Chinese, but when you compare the number of Cantonese speakers to speakers of European languages it’s on an equal level. With so many Cantonese speakers you’d think there would be more places to practice and learn.

Hopefully Duolingo will add it some day.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/1Lenox1

I also would like to learn Cantonese and absolutly agree with you! Cantonese is spoken by more than 60 million people in China, according to the state-run China Daily -- on a par with Italian in terms of native speaker numbers.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Songve

I understand they are written/drawn the same but pronounced differently. Spending all my time with Vietnamese, I see a lot of Chinese characters at Tet and in all the Buddhist temple and would like to be able to read them.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Naudds

I personally appreciate the leaderboards, but this post does point out completely logical and obvious downsides. You're right, people can super easily cheat on these things. Let's not forget that learning is the primary reason of why Duolingo was created, not playing games with your group and raging at barely making the cut for the next level. I feel like a leaderboard is a nice feature, but people need to remember that they can have fun, but don't let it get in the way of learning.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ronald591816

Absolutely, People enjoy the competition that leaderboards bring and thats a good thing.

I just feel it would be better to have a clear choice to join and leave the league competition if we feel like it is becoming too stressful.

Edit. What I mean is have an switch in plain sight where we could see it easily, I think the fact it's hidden away is the reason people are getting annoyed. (and obviously being forced out of the clubs, for leagues)

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/kimojima

I loved Clubs but I also like the Leaderboard now that I'm forced to be on it. It's a good way to gauge how much I'm using Duolingo, and has a feel to it that resonates more than just picking an XP target every day. Similarly, on another site which lists all-time & weekly rankings per language, I just make sure my weekly ranking is always a little bit better than my all-time ranking, that way I know I'm continuing to push myself. That other site also has an adjustable point target you can set but I get more of a sense of accomplishment from the rankings.
I don't care who is above me, just that I'm continuing to use the site and improve my languages. And the ranking is one metric that I like. I also don't care about people gaming the system here or on any language site, as long as they're doing the work. If someone wants to do a lesson over and over or work on a language they're native in or have a degree in, please be my guest, if it makes them happy. Out of a 50 person leaderboard, everyone won't be doing it. I'm sure I'll have a strong enough showing every week to make & stay in Silver or Gold, so who cares? The only cheating I wouldn't condone is if someone weren't actually doing the work--if they had a subroutine that automatically got them XP or something. But, if someone want to sit at the keyboard all night long and answer "Yo soy" 15,000 times, that's their prerogative if it gives them a buzz. Life is short. If that's what makes them happy, let them do it.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Bo7913DK

An unrelated question (im just curious): Why are you learning so many languages at once? Can you actually remember the things you learn in all of them, and "use" the knowledge of every language to read? Or do you just learn one language a little, and then move completely on to a new one?

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LynnCarey3

Many languages are quite interrelated so, yes, that kind of linguistic multiplicity can work.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Eric590808

Today, I learned that the Russian word for tomato is помидор (pomidor) and immediately recalled how similar it was to the Italian term for the same food. It'll now stick with me BECAUSE I know the Italian word. A similar thing happened to me yesterday when I learned that the Russian word зонта (zonta) is taken from Dutch zonnedek, both meaning umbrella. Since I knew one, the other will now stick. Polyglotism is in some cases simpler than just bilingualism. It also helps that one of my loves is etymology in general.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

I know people who've spoken English all of their life and don't even know the word etymology, much less like it, now how to spell it, or what it may be used for. I actually use a old-fashioned dictionary, almost daily. Beginning to show some wear in places though. :)

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

I've always wanted one of those dictionary stands that look like a dais, with a giant old dictionary on top...

Too bad we haven't discovered the technology yet for electronic paper. I don't think one dictionary would be enough honestly. Many of the words I look up take a few dictionaries to find the word I'm looking for, if not an image search.

I miss having the whole physical encyclopedia set and two-volume dictionary.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

You don't need Duolingo league for ranking you can use duome.eu Even the site that starts with a mem and ends in rise has a good leaderboard system. You can add your friends to one, then there's the leaderboard that's by your course/language. You can view weekly, monthly, or all time. That's how you do it if you are interested in supporting competition. Same course and language.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Margaret834843

I got to Ruby and have dropped out of the Leaderboards. It is too distracting to real learning. The groupings of people are not logical - totally different subjects, levels etc make it really not a fair comparison in addition to the only goal of points.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

I have now been demoted twice from The Bronze Age! Wonder where I'll go next;-)

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Ruggles-Wolfe

Flintstones League! https://youtu.be/2PPf3aaZmUw

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Zia177448

Self-restraint and prioritizing are important things to learn. Looks like duolingo has branched out in the topics it teaches... ;)

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Franco219395

Is repetition really cheating?

Some people rush through the tree and learn nothing, others repeat over and over again until it beds itself in memory.

The points and percentages all mean nothing to me, I just want to learn the language and if i have to repeat it 100 times to do so than I would.

I suppose it's all about different learning styles and we ought to be careful what we deem as cheating, just because someone has a different style.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/little_sharr

True.

I tend to hover around the first-to-second checkpoint on languages for ages until I'm sure I've those absolute basics down, because if I'm not understanding the early lessons, things'll just get overwhelming deeper into the course. That means a lot of repetition there, and practices before moving on, which would surely rack up points in a way others might deem as unacceptable... but I find that thoroughness is helpful long term. I mean, I reckon if you're not able to answer while severely inebriated, you don't know it well enough, lol.

Actually, because I didn't think I was retaining everything well enough, I started resetting my trees and going over them again... and also picking up their user-made companion courses on Memrise, just to make sure I had the vocab, with a view to using Duo for grammar practice only. Thank goodness I do it this way now, otherwise I'd really get chewed out on this thread for hammering the practice button over and over -- Memrise get's the brunt of that with me.

So you're right. There's a line between cheating by writing a pointless duobot to get points for you, and simply repeating the early on lessons until you're sure they're firmly embedded in your memory. The first is just stupid and ridiculous (because really, why do this? It's not the ruddy Olympics), where the second might really help the learner.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Steve hi, just wondering how your language learning has progressed this week?! :-)

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/StevenPaul626112

Oh you are good Linda. LOL. Mein Deutsch ist wunderbar. Ta Ellinika mou einai poli oraia! Haha! (sorry. I do not have Greek letters on my PC...just my phone). But I do think it is great to learn in this manner. I have managed to go through every German lesson once and now on the second level. My Greek I am only a few lessons in... But as far as progress THIS WEEK? Nada! Nothing. Haha!

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/YV.BG

This is insane. The only time I did more than a 1000 points in a single day was the day I registered and I boosted through the first lessons - my German at the time was low-A2 at the time. Since then I make around 1500 points a month or so - there are days that I even do only 1 lesson because I simply don't have the time. There are days that I do 50 points and others(the good days) that I do around 100p. Now I am in the silver league, but frankly - I don't care about them at all. I can stay in bronze forever wfor what I care - I care of what I learned here, not some kind of leaderboards, leagues and etc. 6000 points in a week... that's insane..

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/corsig

hoping this is a work in progress and Duolingo fixes this asap.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TheDevLee

When I had more free time, I got up to sapphire, but I have a feeling that my slow Duolingo progress (slow being 50+ XP a day normally) will not be enough to get into the top 10 in the sapphire league. I'll probably just stay in the sapphire league until these people hot for leagues since they're a new feature drop out or start studying a language for real, rather than farming XP. Actually progressing is too important to me to be wasting time only on Duolingo and only with the early lessons I've already mastered!

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/hmada993

And here I thought doing the stories was "cheating the system".

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

And the stories are only available for a few languages. Those deemed easiest to learn for English speakers.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/A_Sesquipedalian

You evidently have never heard of Bots. It was a good, official resource, but it was removed when it was found that there was a loophole for getting xp. The largest one I know of could get 11xp in approximately 10 seconds.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Jamie, no, I've never heard of bots. When I joined (440 some odd days ago, I think I was part of the a/b test that got the new crowns system early. Because I saw people in my Duolingo club and in the discussions, complaining months later about the change, but I had had that set up all along.

Unless bots were like the stories, only for romance languages? Then I wouldn't have been able to use them, regardless of when they were available.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Lou772780

I agree. The league system can be gamed to add XPs rapidly without learning much if anything about your language. After trying the league just using my regular study method of working through the crown levels and testing out when I think I know the material, plus reading a few stories, I managed to get into the top ten in the silver league. However that required trying to test out of crown levels before I was confident with the material. I am dropping out of the leagues to until there is a better system. Something based on crown levels and the 5.0 scale tests might be better. However, with 819 crowns in Spanish I am getting close to completing all the crowns available. I hope Duo will add something to keep it interesting. A more intensive listening comprehension practice system would be good.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Have you thought about joining one of the Discord Spanish servers for help with that? I can't speak to the Spanish servers, I'm on Hebrew ones though... And they've been useful (especially in light of Duolingo's clubs demise). You can see the Spanish clubs at https://disboard.org/servers/tag/spanish (for others looking, just replace Spanish with your language to see the list).

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MaynardHogg

The leagues might help motivate some, but they're anathema for we obsessive-compulsives.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Buddybarnsfarm

WELL.... leagues shouldnt have replaced the motivating clubs in the first place.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ButMadNNW

I VERY rarely post anything in the discussions, but I wanted to add my own thoughts here that the leaderboards make no sense for Duolingo. I remember when Duolingo repeatedly reminded us that a little practice every day was better for learning than "cramming" a ton of lessons all at once. And yet, cramming is exactly what a competition based on XP encourages you to do. It's nonsensical.

Now that I know how to "opt out" of the leaderboards, I'm extremely tempted to do that, but the note in this thread that we lose our friends list gives me pause. Not because I pay any attention to the activity of my "friends", but because my Duolingo friends list contains one of the "digital ghosts" of my real-life best friend, who was killed by cancer in February. I don't know that I'm ready for that ghost to disappear. (And yes, I saw the comment about how to "opt out" AND keep the friends list, but I don't want to have to install a browser add-on just to do that, plus I don't think that'd help on the app anyway, which is where I do most of my practice. Duolingo should just have a leaderboards-specific toggle.)

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DTSFF

It doesn’t seem like your friend list is actually deleted when you set your profile to private, it’s just made invisible. I’ve just tested it and when I set my profile to public again, I can see all of my friends as before

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/laguera25

The leagues would be a lot more fun if it weren't blatantly obvious that people were spamming the system. When I started this morning, I was in second place with 142 XP. By the time I finished a lesson(6 minutes), somebody who wasn't even listed when I started had 732 XP . Sure. OK.

It's obvious people have rigged up bots or something, so there's little point in competing.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidTombl2

While I do keep track of my XP points, I realize that there are to many variables for it to be used for competition. Some people know the alphabet very well and nothing else. Видно мастера по работе.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Imho it's better to track your progress with duome.eu/username/progress (Change username to your name).

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/J.C.Fink

Alas, with Russian, I can't claim even to know the alphabet very well. I've kind of dropped out of Russian because I needed to repeat the early lessons - and didn't know how to. I will try the tip on this page and try again ( the first time I even put a "Russian keyboard" on my computer and bought a silicone mask to put over my keyboard when I did Russian lessons and toggled to Cyrillic keyboard.) I'm going to go back to the first level and repeat those lessons if I can till I feel confident enough to move on. I would really like to learn Russian, but couldn't get that first toehold.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

JC did you try learning the alphabet on Memrise or via YouTube and then start Duolingo? I don't know what the Russian course is like, does it even teach the alphabet first?

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/J.C.Fink

Yes, it teaches the alphabet first. but once through a given exercise was not enough for me to feel I had learned its contents well.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Did you try using memrise or anki?

Or joining discord Russian server or a vk or Facebook language learners group? There are a lot of Russian clubs on vk (it's Russian).

Here's a link to the Discord Russian groups, https://disboard.org/servers/tag/russian I noticed some language learning groups there. If it's anything like the Discord Hebrew servers, it should be helpful.

I too have a silicone keyboard cover for the different language, but I find it easier just to use my tablet or phone and a keyboard app like swiftkey.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Elinand

Very interesting. I just got the leauge competitions this week and it made me quite motivated to be honest, and I got a grand total of a bit more than 300xp. Although, it is slightly dismotivational to look at the leaderboard and see people get over 1000xp. Especially since I've read all stories about people cheating etc. Maybe they should change it so that the XP isn't the thing we're competing about, and instead change it to the amount of different lessons, which we don't have 5 crowns in instead. Which I would see as an improvement if so as it would get competitive people to focus on learning new things and actually evolve their langauge skills instead of just doing the easiest tasks all over again and again.

Anyone else who thinks it would be better that way?

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Charm68614

Effot must be rewarded.

I can tell you, unreservedly that, any student would need the practise to improve their language skills...and when they spend their time studying, they want to be rewarded. Every effort by a student must be recognised and rewarded.

If students are cheating, it is on them. Why do we lack the integrity to stay true to ourselves? Just to be top on the leader board? We all would love to be a winner,all the time, but we all have other responsibilities (work, family,other studies ,etc) and other people may have more time at their disposal.... So, put in honest brain training, with the time and hours at your disposal and be proud of your learning... And truthfully, you'll be doing yourself a favour, because you will be shocked at how much quicker your language usage skills are developing.

However, I personally do not like the current leader board system( for the very reasons you have mentioned, where people cheat to stay ahead)...I preferred it when Duo gave us exercises to do and people in groups could add their contributions. The Leader board as it is now in not positively motivating me...I am considering leaving the league ...but I like learning with groups of people, I thought that being in groups might lead to us meeting new people from other countries.

But seriously, thinking of popping into my settings and clicking 'private'.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/rain-m

I don’t actually understand the point of all the cheating. All you get is a ruby avatar and a bunch of lingots that you can’t really spend on anything. What am I missing? It’s annoying because I like the idea of a little friendly competition but the cheating and the binge learning don’t make it as fun for me.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/KaaviyaUth

Hope you have still been able to learn a few bits of language? :)

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ChevyBarnes05

I do the skill to level 3 slowly, then pretend that level 4 is a timed practice. It does work for some people. May not for you, but for me, it does.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/CarloLardini

Also repeating the material is new cheating? Cool.

Learning languages is to cheat our brain. Speaking foreign language is to cheat the others. It's to pretend you know the language, to pretend you understand and you can speak. It's all cheating.

I'm back on Duolingo for last 4 weeks, i'm learning my third language. Third West-Germanic language. For all those days i was forcing myself to reach my daily target. Then on Friday I've had more time, and I was sitting on computer with my mobile on the side, after each lesson on computer - my score in league was updated on mobile app in the very same moment. I though it's fun. Because using Duolingo on computer takes more time, I've tried on mobile, it goes faster. I made quickly few lessons, and I've got hooked. Friday - few hours. Saturday - another few hours. Mobile and computer combined. I've eventually made over 1000 XP in one day. Most of them by reaching first or second level in skills. Mostly in Dutch i'm learning seriously now, a few in German - i know already more or less but I keep learning. And a few in Italian I just learn from time to time for fun.

So yes, you're right. It's all cheating. And I love it :)

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

No it's not all cheating, and there's no reason to conflate practicing with people who are clearly scamming the system. 1,000 in one day isn't cheating. 1,000 in one hour is.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/CarloLardini

Making one lesson in one minute (possible on mobile as it goes a bit simpler and faster) you can get 780 XP in one hour. How that would be cheating? I made yesterday ruffly 400-500 XP in one hour. Was that also cheating? I learn at ease, no one force me. I had one hour time, I had fun, I spent one hour. Try yourself how much one can squeeze from 60 minutes time period. Maybe more than you would expect.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

What language are learning that you can do 1,000 xp (the girl in my league did 1700 in one hour)? Are you doing the first lesson over and over and over again? That's 90-100 lessons. Is your memory that bad? Or are you just doing the alphabet? Because an exercise should take between 5 to 12 minutes.

And so you speed through the alphabet 100 times... And then what, you do it to 80,000 xp and no crowns? That's learning a language? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you..

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tom438850

Good point. I had finished the earlier level and am using Duo to try to refresh my German skills. Since they changed to the new system, I'm being a little OCD and testing out of each level to bring everything to a 5. Sad to say, I'm not learning that much at this stage. Duo was a mild refresher for me, more like reminding me of what I already knew. I wish there were a wider variety of vocabulary. I would pay money for that. I've got about 120 more level ups to do before everything is at level 5 again. I think testing out and getting 20 points for each "test out" is OK, but repeating a lesson surely brings no more aptitude, and should be discouraged.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/J.C.Fink

Repeating a lesson on material one has mastered is a waste of time, but when one does badly on a lesson - is struggling, makes many mistakes - the practice option is appreciated. If I couldn't practice the early Russian lessons over and over, I'd have to give up. I'm struggling with the very beginning stuff, but expect it will get easier once I have the foundation down better.

June 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SandyMacDo5

Agreed, otherwise it is a farse. I should know as I have wasted many hours on such folly.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kathi481297

Wow, I had no idea this was happening. I work towards completion of different lessons all over the tree. Sometimes I go to ones that were recently added (which gives me "easy" lessons because they are level 1) and other times I continue towards finishing to level 5 on my level 4 lessons, level 4 on my level 3 lessons and so on. Sad to think people are so anxious to beat the next person instead of actually learning a language. :(

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/EvilGenius88

The leagues actually managed to turn me off Duo. Initially, when the leagues were introduced, they helped me breeze through the trees I already knew by testing out (Japanese and Hindi/reverse Hindi) and I easily climbed up to the third tier (don't remember all the colors). Then I got tired of trying to make so many points just to get a promotion but since I have a very, very annoying competitive streak, I just had to get to the max level. This also made me lost interest in trying to upgrade my skills since I ended up being more concerned with getting promoted than learning anything new and I often ended up staying away from Duo for a few days because I just didn't want to do the league thing and it was boring trying to test out of things I already knew. And yet my evil competitive self kept surfacing and somehow, after many toils and troubles, I managed to get myself to Ruby and I haven't looked back since. I mostly use the web Duo (now) anyway to get my practice done since I feel that typing helps me learn better, so now the leagues aren't a problem for me. But, yeah, if they were available here, I feel I would be too distracted to learn (and enjoy!) anything.

I wish there was a way to opt out of leagues (or at least not get notifications every few minutes about demotion!) It's really bad for people like me.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

You can stop the notifications in your settings.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SamohtSMA

At least when testing out under the old system and getting points for all the lessons skipped, you still were learning your language. Just repeating a lesson over and over is a waste of time. I’ve switched my focus from points and lingots to gems and crowns using the app version. If I get bogged down, I switch to the browser version and test out to get the crown.

For me the best part of the old clubs was chatting in Spanish with learners from all over the world.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elaphantlove

What are leagues! Everyone keeps talking about them but I have no idea what they are?????!!!!!!

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Dugggg
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They're a new competitive feature found only on the Android and Apple apps, not the website.

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mariano_Rdzz

It's on the website too

May 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LifeFlowers

mine either

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

unfortunately for many of us the leagues are now on the website

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mirjam589748

After you've reached the Ruby, it all calms down. You go back to learning, no worries ;)

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SweetPaw

You cheated by practicing. Well done.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AllanThoms4

I got to the top of the ruby league a few times by going through the practice sessions over and o we again both trying to get it to sink in and to try and get the spelling right. It did not feel right getting to the top without progressing very far. Was.sitting second this week and.managed to switch it off thanks to info on here. A relief all In all.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

I have no problem with people practicing, I personally have a problem with people resetting and repeatedly retesting out of skills for the xp. The only reason people repeatedly do that is for scoring.

Side note: If you are having trouble because of vocab, you might want to memorize the vocab using Memrise or Anki, then come back and do the section. (I personally don't think Duolingo is great for remembering vocab)... (it's actually a very inefficient way to learn it. Here's why: https://blog.fluent-forever.com/efficient-way-to-learn-vocabulary/ )

Good luck whichever route you go!

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/J.C.Fink

Oh, please, what is resetting, and how does one do it? If it means starting over from the very beginning, I'd like to do that for the Russian! I'm struggling with the Kyrillac alphabet, with the Kyrillac keyboard I'm learning to touch-type on, with the unfamiliarity of the grammar - Spanish, French, and German are a breeze by comparison. I would love to be able to go back to the very beginning Russian lessons (and run through each more than once till I know what Im doing!

June 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LifeFlowers

lol

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LifeFlowers

how do I join competitions

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Prisbluejay

Whenever I go fast I still learn, I wonder how?

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/krishnabhakta

I did same with time practice hiragana because i know it

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Philip_H.

Fun fact: I had about 820 points last week. How did I do that? Well, I spent time on duolingo, practicing the lil lessons you get on a skill - and rotated through the four I'm doing at the time. Sure, the first through rounds went with many mistakes, but if you keep going you'll learn the language, your mistake rate drops, and you complete these cute 13 questions per skill lessons within five minutes. :) The benefit of committing to learning.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

That's great that you are doing so well, but those of us complaining are referring to actual cheats, not people like yourself working hard. Cheating is things like 820 points in an hour. Level 25 with only 1,000 xp, 85,000 xp but no crowns. I don't like the leaderboards replacing the clubs, but I wouldn't have a problem with them if they didn't let cheaters place. (And I say let, because they could clearly take steps to stop it or move the cheaters into their own league.)

At any rate, good luck with your language learning.

At any rate,

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Philip_H.

Okay, I see that. I think it really didn't occur to me right away that we were talking about a very narrow time frame for the points acquired. Only later I saw your previous comment about 85k exp within a week.

These cheats are unfair to those who put real effort into their learning.

However, I also read about people complaining about the feature in general, because "it made them spent more time on xp farming than on learning". It's typical for people to blame the medium of their addiction for the behaviour they put up because of their addiction. Such topics are all over the place, still I found it unfair towards duolingo. It's very difficult to deliver good education to the people nowadays, with everything corroded under stagnation and profit-oriented decision making. And they do it for free on top of it. I've been using this software for nearly 300 days now, and still havn't run into a pay-wall.

That's a grand achievement. Calling the whole project names because it has some minor inconveniences is incredibly unfair.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Zelah_Meyer

Thank you for raising that bug. I hope they fix it! I don't want to wind up getting demoted or not moving forward just because someone is doing that.

I've been rather lazy for years & have often just done one practice session a day to keep my streak up. But I was over halfway through the tree with all learnt skills gold. So, when they split what I'd already learnt into all the new un-credited skills, it left me with loads of skills where I already knew the vast majority of the words.

The leaderboards at least make testing out of those skill levels into an activity that has a purpose rather than just starting at the bottom of the glass mountain again after all my gold skills (even stuff like Basics 1 & 2) wound up reset.

I'm able to concentrate on the words I don't know, or don't remember as well, so I'm making more progress. From that perspective the boards are useful, so I hope they fix any exploits to make it so they stay useful and motivating.

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

Zelah, I started Duolingo when they were a/b testing the new update where you don't have decay, and was immediately in the new system - so I've never had a tree that decayed. Everything that I've done, from the first skill is still gold/level 5.

So, I wonder, if you did the strengthening exercises would it make the levels gold again or can you test out of them? There might be some way around this issue, if not here, then on Reddit.

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/dawnofclarity

Interesting viewpoint, for me I'm busily re-golding right from the start again as all the progress disappeared in the last alignment update. If it had not been for the league stuff I'd prob. not bother with the lower level stuff, and only do the new stuff, so I guess in that regard it's made me "do more" ... :)

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidH843784

with the expanded tree i had some low level skills not at level 5. I took Greetings from level 3 to 4 in about 17 painful minutes (Salut, Paul! Bonne Nuit, Marie!) I got over 200 XP points for my trouble. I went from Level 4 to Level 5 in 2 minutes by testing out and got 20 minutes. I'd rather have those 15 minutes than the 200 or so XPs

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Fran630920

I'm finding I'm learning how the blocks look and what they mean way before I can get bothered by actually reading the japanese in them. Does that count as cheating?

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TeribleTeri

I don't understand what you are referring to. Word blocks? Because there are so few words in the blocks, because it's so early on in your course, that are you looking by the length of the blocks?

May 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SecretlyAHippo

So what are the five leagues? Bronze, Silver, Gold, Sapphire, Ruby?

June 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Scungilly

Thanks, Steven....you've helped me get to the bottom of my suspicions. I've been creeping along at my own pace and wondering how so many people can afford to put in the time to rack up thousands of points in a short period of time. I enjoyed the club format much better where you were able to post comments to other members in the club. we were able to cheer each other on. That feature is gone now and every league is full of strangers. One lingot coming your way. thanks again for your true confession!

June 25, 2019
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