Poll: make crown count visible to everyone?
Would you want crown count visible to everyone when you post in forums, like up with your language levels?
upvote yes downvote no
it's an interesting idea. Someone brought it up about six months ago and as I recall the consensus was that it would get a little crowded because some of the users here are studying many languages. I think that the 1-25 levels are a bit superfluous since the crown system was invented. It no longer conveys the weight or the information that it did before. I agree that having crown instead of the level would make more sense at this point, but if they have both then it becomes a bit too crowded. It should be one or the other.
Maybe congregate them into one? Like add all crowns from all languages, so that it would be a large number like streak?
It would be a better indicator of progress for each individual course.
Unfortunately since different courses have different numbers of crowns, it might seem a bit sloppy, especially since most courses don't end on multiples of 10...
And since they're different, comparisons between languages would be weird and maybe confusing for newbies. Someone who has all 782 crowns in French would look like a monster language learner compared to someone who has all 200 crowns of Japanese, even though both courses are complete. I mean, yeah the French learner has done more work, but both courses are 100% complete.
Then XP should be based on crowns, expressed as a ratio and stated as a percentage. French: 10/782*100, = 1.28XP (first day)...782/782*100 = 100XP (Course finished). This is trivial. But it takes a competent programmer with access and intelligence. Doulingo seems to be a boat with no oars, if you get my drift. (Oh! A double pun, I love it! See how desperate some of us are for entertainment???!!! lol) Then! Somebody who has fully completed four courses, will have 400XP. Then people could look at this person with respect due their efforts and knowledge. Doulingo has setup a system of self-gratification. It is obscene intellectually and in all other respects. I'm glad you pointed this out to us mere mortals. ;) Here, have some confetti, er, I mean a lingot (I actually gave you 2, less recycle for me to take out next week). Hey! I just noticed. I started french a day or so ago, it isn't showing up! Lots! of bugs in this "system".
It depends. Personally, I'd be happy with a crowd count. I have 254 crowns in French and 37 in Japanese. Your idea would show my progress more accurately. At the moment it looks like I am doing well with Japanese. A crown count might be better in some cases but everyone studies and learns differently so it's really half a dozen of one and twelve of the other.
I'd be happy with it but if it's not going to help you with your studies is it going to be useful for the site.
I like the idea and a lingot to you because I would prefer the site to show how far I have gone in a language rather than the time I put in.
Personally I think it's a moot point. What purpose would it serve? Knowing someone else's crown count doesn't add value. Knowing the crowns does not convey a person's skill or capability. Case in point: If I have 125 crowns in German (which I do), this may mean that I have done all level 1 lessons plus a few level 2 lessons; or it may mean that I've done 25 complete lessons (which is the case).
I think that after all the recent changes the crowns are more reflective of relative language level than the XP, so yes. They should replace the XP levels with number of crowns.
Lingots=confetti. The only useful purpose for lingots is keeping your streak. Different parts of the world and different people have different schedules. I've never seen them, but people have complained that people are getting high point count with low, or zero crown point. If you don't have crown points, you shouldn't be advancing in XP. Thus, it would seem more logical to base the leader boards on Crown Points rather than XP. Especially since XP can be "cheated" by several methods. Thank you. I voted up!
With the way things are lately I am all for getting rid of xp-based levels anyway and replacing them with crown based levels. If I skip skills for 20 xp instead of doing 25 lessons for 250 xp or jump ahead in tree for 50 xp instead of thousands, then yeah, it takes long time to level up and since I study languages outside of DuoLingo I am here for quick review and that means low xp jumping ahead. It may be hard to pool crowns for trees from different languages I suppose it should count the best one... I was thinking about something like circle around the flag, showing different portions in different colours based on which crown levels you have... Like 20% gold, 5% orange, 10% red, 10 % green, 20% blue, and the rest grey or something like that as a quick representation of the state of your tree.
This. I couldn't have worded it better. Since the xp change for test outs, some kinds of learners are at a disadvantage, when represented by the levels. So, either use the crowns (since the Duo team said it themselves, that we should focus on crowns and not xp, but that was before the leagues) and give them more purpose, or perhaps just remove the level by the flag completely, since it means nothing.
I don't think that is a good idea because you would have to show the crown level for each of the person's languages. As you can see for me, that would be a lot.
You can try it yourself, just change your languages and look at your crown display and you will see that it is learning language dependent.
Yes, each language has a crown. I would contend that the sum of all crowns should be used, not XP. But, they may find out how to cheat that too. Too bad they don't spend as much time on learning as the do on cheating. ;)
XP should be the sum of all crowns. or the Crown total should be the sum of all levels. That shows more of a persons level. However, Duolingo has a serios design flaw at the moment. Levels aren't balanced, they are top heavy. The higher you go in a level, the more impossible it is to advance. If they don't rebalance all of the "trees" so that just as much work is required on level-1 as does level-5, then this system is and will remain a farce. In spanish work every level is brutal. And almost no typos are allowed, etc. it sucks. If you test out, one mistake on the last question throws you out. I've been trying to pass this level for days. It has put me into negative training. Horrible. But duolingo doesn't care. The world is "point driven" nowadays. Doulingo gets points for people being here. Whether we are wasting time here in the forums, or actually learning something, Duolingo doesn't care, they get paid by the point. Just my opinion.
This could be useful after more development of the skills. It encourages you to test through the skills. For this to be useful, you would need to include more difficult material more quickly as you move through the skills, and working at Level 5 would need to benefit the learning. It could do with a marker to show you working through the exercises, as at lower levels. It could also have an option at Level 5 between practising the same skills as before, or moving on to harder examples. Creating an incentive to gather crowns requires these other measures to be in place, so I have abstained from voting. I am in principle in favour with these reservations.
I like the idea of a crown count showing when you post, just like they show number of lessons next to each flag and number of days in a row next to the fire/flame.
I have about the same number of crowns today as I did when they rolled them out (697) because I had already completed three courses and at that time I switched to stories exclusively. It would be nice if stories and lessons worked together to establish a level of proficiency. For me, XP makes more sense. But I might like to see a golden glow around the flags of languages in which someone has earned a golden owl for completion.
Tonight I did my first lessons in ages. I am glad that a version of skills strength is back and there is less repetition at a given level of difficulty. Perhaps I'll give the crowns another chance.
Didn't know you where thát hungry Songve.(yuk)
Crowns are at least a better measure than levels?
I depends on how long you've been on Duolingo and how you use it.
My Crown level no way gives any indication of the time and effort I have put in to Duolingo.
I'd been using Duolingo nearly 4 years when crowns came out. I had a streak of over 1400 days. I was on level 25 and had over 400,000 XP points I had maintained my tree 100% Gold for over 8 months (this was in the days when trees decayed) by doing the General Practice numerous times everyday and my "Duolingo Fluency Level" (another now defunct feature) hovered between 79 and 80%, (80% was the highest possible level). However I was given a measly total of only 220 Crowns for all this effort.
Even worse if I wanted to get my skills gold again I had to do a total of between 12 and 120 basic lessons for each skill, (this was before the days of testing out). I much preferred to do the "General Practice skills as I these presented more complicated and challenging sentences, but woe of woes General Practice did not update my Crown total at all even though the sentences were more complicated.
So none of my efforts were converting into Crowns. It was only after the test out feature was released that I decided to try and improve my Crown level, but Duo soon fixed that by updating the tree and knocking them back down again. At least at the very latest tree update they did not take away any skills.
Thanks for the history lesson. I'm quite new here. The 'tree' is that the level content? Right now the trees are very unbalanced and become progressively more difficult. Thus, people are rewarded for doing a few "easy" levels then moving on to "rack up points". This is disturbing. Duolingo is tooting its own horn. (I'm sure you need a ton more lingots, I'm giving you some. ;)
You are somebody who is old enough to remember spam. It was not my favourite dish, but also not my most disliked. Actually 'dish' is not the best word. You could call it 'meat'.