Poll: Show your level on your profile
In the new update, Duolingo removed the levels on your profile, and this was a change that I really did not like. Now it just shows how much xp we are in, in each language. I know you can see your level on duome but it would be so much faster and easier to put levels on our profiles again.
Edit: upvote - agree and downvote- disagree
What does a level mean? What does 24 mean compared to 12? Level 24 isn't twice as good as level 12.
But 30000 XP compared to 15000 XP, that is something, means something, comparable. 30000 xp is essentially twice as good as 15000. They have done twice as many lessons or depending on testing out XP have at least earned twice as much XP.
They should replace levels with crowns and put that as a percentage. So different trees of the same language and different languages can be compared. Or as a 342/756 crowns.
Also people have often asked to increase the level limit. Not there is no limit.
What does a level mean?
What does XP mean? 10XP from practising 'basics 1' is indistinguishable from 10XP spent on 'pluperfect subjunctive' or whatever might be an advanced skill at the bottom of a tree that requires considerably more effort to master. Both levels and XPs are arbitrary and imperfect ways to motivate learners, as any other way would undoubtedly be.
What does 24 mean compared to 12? Level 24 isn't twice as good as level 12.
The fact that levels cannot be converted into XPs by some simple and obvious arithmetic is no good reason to get rid of them. A good reason to get rid of them would be if they could, in which case one of them would clearly be redundant.
The advantage of levels is that they are a limited set of small numbers that enable learners to set short-term goals and give us some small sense of satisfaction when we reach the next one.
XPs, on the other hand, quickly become long strings of noughts with no end in sight. As motivational gimmicks, levels are far better suited to the job.
But 30000 XP compared to 15000 XP, that is something, means something, comparable.
Anyone who has reached 25 in any course will easily appreciate the difference between 25 and 24, 24 and 23 and so on. It is much more elegant and easy to read when such data are represented as two-digit numbers rather than five (or more)-digit numbers.
I got to level 25 in German, which I thought was an achievement, as I had not studied German at all before; I got to level 24 in French and probably would have been at level 25 now, had the levels not been removed. I did this much more quickly than German as I had studied French at school. My French is a lot better than my German, but not as far as crowns are concerned; 297 in French, 393 in German. I much prefer to have a level to aim for, than a number of crowns which really only signify how long it took me to get to where I am.
I can see you have level 25 in French here, I'm also commenting so I can see my own levels
Levels mean different things to different people. Reaching a 'level' is something many people are used to and like.
Agree. Levels are 'stepping stones'. A simple and welcome encouragement to keep your learning momentum going. I hesitate to call the use of levels a gimmick ( a negative connotation). But I agree with garpike that large numbers by themselves lack a certain inspiration for us. Having two points of learning reference is a good thing. Bring back the levels Duo!
I meant a gimmick in the sense that none of these features is strictly necessary (along with lingots, flags, streaks, etc.)—anyone could still learn a language on DL without any of them. They are meaningless accessories designed to have a psychological appeal that helps people stick to their real aims.
And I think they generally work very well; I wasn't intending to come across as disdainful, merely descriptive. It is 'gimmicks' like these that are most of the difference between Duolingo's method and those who would say 'just memorise the contents of this grammar book and this dictionary and you'll be able to speak language X', which is all very well in theory, but very much easier said than done!
They don't want a metric that is capped like the levels, even if it's a lot better for most people because they have a clear goal they can focus on that way.
They want people to spend a much time as possible on their platform, it seems, and learning something is now mostly secondary.
Competing against other users, farming XP, all the stuff that makes people addicted in a bad way.
Gamification should always support the learning process and make it more fun. The learning shouldn't just turn into a way to 'level up'.
I'm very worried when I think about what this site might turn into in the near future.
i am CRUSHED....... i have been working so hard for my level 25s and am close to getting my 5th 25 and am so bummed about the change.
Today I reached my first level 25 ever and just a couple of days ago even the levels in my profile vanished - I'm utterly disappointed, but also pretty livid.
well, the good news is that i can see your spanish 25 right now as i type, sooooo... AWESOME WORK, LOTTA8561!!!!!!!!!!!! U FRICK'N EARNED IT!!! UR AWESOME! ¡¡¡¡¡ASOMBROSO!!!!!
You get levels quickly when you start - but then they get harder and harder. This matches how you pick things up fast at first but the more you know the slower it goes as you realize how much work learning a language is.
the advantages you list for levels seem like the disadvantages to me. Having the amount of xp needed for each level increasing, mean like I said 24 isnt twice 12. Makes them sort of pointless. non comparable.
And also XP like you said can be earned by doing the same skill over and over, so again isn't that great. That is why i suggested crowns to be superior. except that different languages and different trees of the same language have different numbers of crowns.
So for me, in order of worse to best as a comparable measurement and useful goal is levels>XP>crowns.
Crowns, you cant repeat the same basic skill to gain 50 or 500 crown, you can only get 5 and then have to move on to other skills to get more.
It's a metric, there's nothing wrong with an additional metric and I doubt it would hurt anyone since XPs are still shown and I'm guessing they will be shown forever. Crowns and XPs are both a complicated measure because the numbers are high and Crown levels are different for every language course.
Personally I'm in favor of having levels officially shown on Duolingo profiles, since it would make it easier to gauge where we're going. But until then I'm very happy with Duome.
I came here when the levels were shown and used them as the main motivator instead of the other metrics. Now the levels are gone, but I cannot be listed on Duome yet, not in several months, because it is not available for "newbies". So writing a post here is currently the only way I can see my levels, and even that does not help to see how far I am from reaching the next level.
Wow, I had no idea that Duome wasn't available to new users, probably because I found out about it a long time after I created my account which was a ghost account until about a year and a half ago. Well, I do hope they'll fix it.
As far as I know, it should let you see your levels even if you have a streak of under 100 days, but this could happen if a person created an account even if they had not used it for 100 days, then started on Duome.
Duome works for everyone. You just put your name in as the above example and it will give you all your stats. You need to have it set to the language you want to view in Duolingo. You just don't get in the hall of fame without a long streak etc..
I liked levels as it gained me something clear to aim for. I'd aim for level after level. That was a big encouragement for me and I have been here less since they removed it.
That's exactly how I did it. With crowns and XPs, the numbers are too high to be meaningful, and they add up too fast/ Levels are something that have to be worked for, especially since each one required more work than the last--it was a better reflection of how much harder it is to go deeper into a language (or any subject).
They are doing an A/B test. If enough users express dislike, they will roll it out to everyone. =D
Most people's profiles are updated so that they show only the total XP of a certain language and not the level of that language.
In my experience it seems to work on the PC, but not in the browser on iPhone/iPad.
lv. 24 actually more than twice then 12, I saw the xp for going to the next lv increased.
Technically you have an argument, but on the old system, levels and xp would be shown side by side. Why not have both?
I miss levels. Levels was my personal favourite form of self-motivation and I'm really looking forward to getting my first 25. I used to check back on my profile frequently, now I have duome in another tab and I refresh it often. Just yesterday I got my level 15 in Polish and I was really pleased with myself, I just wish I could see it on Duolingo itself in places other than forum postings.
I wish there was SOME measure other than XP to see how others are doing when you click their profiles. Unless I am being spectacularly obtuse, I can't see other peoples' streaks, crowns, levels - anything! I just look at their XP, a giant meaningless number, and then I check my own profile (since I know what levels I'm on) to make a guesstimate at how long the other person's been going and how they're doing. I have friends on Duolingo and I'd like to be able to share stats with one another without me messaging them on Facebook or something!
It just seems pointless and even a bit mean to get rid of levels. If you liked them, like me, they were great, and if you didn't (and I know they had their flaws) you could just ignore them. Getting rid of them served no purpose aside from irritating users.
I really don't understand some people...
It can be a discussion about what level worth. How they are measured. How many reason it has. If it shows reality or not.
But in case some people LOVED it, and HELPED them to target a next step, then who do some people feel to vote against such a thing? Those who think it is useless, bad, unneccessary - please simple ingore it.
Does it hurt anbody so much, that denies the need of those guys who did love this feature, and felt that this helps them to have a target? (BTW: it also makes easier to choose "friends")
I think that everybody must vote for such a feature, in case it helps at least for ONE single person to have better targets. Others may call them anything they want... in case they don't need this.
You can argue agains the reason... but how can anybody argue against getting back this feature, when there a re lot of persons who loved it.
The level count can be reformed, can be made a better one, you can also develop alternative measurements, or vote for having a switch to hide it for those who don't need it - but why to take the levels totally away, just becuase SOME people don't need it? (when others would still like to have it)
I really don't understand some of you guys... :(((
Yeah, XP can be a large number that is hard to figure out where you are. Especially if you get the bonus XP. But I still gots my crown number I can see everywhere . But how to convert crowns into levels? We need secret decoder rings we can buy in the store to figure it all out.
For Asia, being ranked is the part of the culture. It is very good if you are number one, and you are not important and insignificant otherwise. (Little sarcasm here). Levels are cool, bring em'back.
Oh no. Levels were my favorite aspect of the game. Can't believe they took those away. XP means nothing. I hate games that are measured only in some massive number. The number is so huge, it is meaningless on its own. Levels give those numbers milestones, thus perspective. Imagine if instead of measuring distance traveled by miles or kilometers, we only measured it by inches and centimeters. That's what this change does. Learning a language is like a trip around the world - you cannot measure it with a ruler.
Making changes without point is something stupid, what can just result anger. I cant see how this change is improving something?
It's really not improving anything, they should add useful things instead of taking them out! :/
Weirdly, the levels seem to still be visible when someone posts in a discussion, but I'm not seeing them anywhere else.
I still see my XP level on my dekstop profile version. It is something I value and check on every day to see how much closer I'm getting to lvl20 in Japanese, English, and Nederlands. If it disappears from my profile, I'll be sorely unhappy out about that, but not surprised. The only constant on Duolingo is change. So, I pretty much figure that it's only a matter of time until every feature on Duolingo today will disappear and new things will arrive. I wonder what Duolingo will look like in another 5 years.
Hi Usagiboy! I totally agree with you. I see our levels next to our avatars on the comments we post here in the forums, but today on my profile page I saw only the number of XP I have in each language. I'm afraid it's been a long time comin'. I posted eight months ago, mourning the death of the leveling-up fiestas, to no avail...
I sure hope they don't take levels off of the forums...
I'm also sorry that the levels have been removed. They were another handy indicator of your progress in the course and another hook to keep you playing the game.
Yes I was wondering how to vote and how are all the people who don't use the discussion forum to be asked?
Can we have a vote on other questions too?
I just write poll, since i'm hoping that it will get enough upvotes for it to go on popular, so Duolingo can actually see it and hopefully make changes
Yes. I really want them back. My guess is that Duo wants to make it less competitive, more friendly, and less people relying on 'reaching' the next level. For me, reaching another level was always a goal, and never hindered my progress.
Removing levels doesn’t make it less competitive. Also, they specifically added features to make it more competitive, so what you are saying can’t be true. They added the new tier system with bronze, silver, gold, etc.. They wouldn’t have added a new competitive ranking system if they wanted to make it less competitive.
If I click on my profile picture in the top right hand corner, I can view my level on each language: does that not work on the app?
Profile picture -> 'Your profile' It shows your levels on the right hand side. At least it does for me (maybe they're A/B testing things again).
No it doesn't. (I did know how to see my levels) Neither does it still give how many XP to the next level.
Thank you!! I can't see levels when I'm using Chrome, but apparently I can still see them on Firefox =D
Not for me on my laptop nor on my phone app. It only shows the total # of exp points, not the corresponding level.
This is evidently an A/B-test; I can still see my own and other users' levels.
No, that doesn't work on the website since they have updated it. You used to be able to see the level you were on for each language, but now you can only see the languages. I'd like to be able to see my levels there again.
I wish they had kept levels, but I think showing crowns would be even better, if they showed how many you have compared to how many are available (such as 124/367, for example).
I liked levels, but a person can reach a high level simply by doing a basic level over and over without progressing through the course, the same as XP. Crowns actually show progression.
So, on that note, I would ideally like for profiles to show levels and how many crowns were achieved out of how many are available in each course. However, if I were to only pick one or the other, I’d choose crowns over levels.
That being said, there is absolutely no reason that they can’t show both. There are absolutely no negatives to showing both things, and many positives. Showing both levels and crowns would increase motivation to complete practice lessons, and also increase motivation to progress through the course. It seems like basic common sense to show both, and I’m not sure what the Duolingo team is thinking by not using such an obvious solution.
I don't agree with you Christopher. People who are at high levels have gone through the whole tree, haven't you? It would be so boring to keep repeating the easy skills. We are here to learn languages, not only to have fun. Then even if there were people so inclined, why would it matter? No system is going to effectively show how well a person knows a language. Showing the crowns would be messy. Let's say I have 353 crowns in German, out of a course that offers 600. So it would show 353/600 and then curious users would whip out a calculator to find a percentage? As others have stated, showing the levels provided simple milestones. Getting to level 25 involves true persistence over significant time, and that alone makes the users who bear those icons worthy of sporting them. And it gives everybody a goal to work toward!
Some of us just like to practice ... polyglots, it's fun; but I think they should've kept the levels.
I think there's no perfect method to compare the fluencies between learners. XP and levels are the same because we level up when we got XP. Crowns can be obtained in any lessons, either the easy or the hard. My idea is that we can take a placement test or something like that every weekend, then we can use that result to determine the rank.
Why did Duolingo remove the next level XP from my profile. It now only shows the Total XP
I hope that the language levels return in the profiles at some time.
The levels in the languages are a very good incentive to continue learning!
I can see why people like you already at 25 might not see the levels motivating, but most people are not there yet. Instead of getting rid of one motivator they should try to find other motivators for people who have already reached the first big target. Or then replace the Duolingo levels with something better and more universal such as CEFR levels (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages).
Problem is, only French and Spanish even get to A2 - and then only for written not oral.
Duo announced long ago that levels would go away and be replaced by crowns. Given that levels only go to 25, which is modeled after D&D and related games, crowns makes more sense. I wonder if Duo is going to start displaying crowns in forums and other places to replace levels.
Other than Duo users none of it really matters. I’m also a level 25 mage but nobody here would care.
Good job! One hour a night is a good idea. That way you can maintain your streak and learn daily at the same time
But I can see the levels for myself and others. What's your point?
Your level in French is 15, I can see that.
I could not agree more, I want to max out my levels to 25 before moving on to other languages. I liken that system to a video game system that scratches my "completionist" itch. I know a level 25 ranking does not denote "mastery" of a language, but it soothes my OCD. Not being able to see it frustrates me.
I absolutely agree. Levels were a big motivator for me and without them, its harder for me to set a goal. I would see what level I was on and how much XP I needed for the next, and set goals for how much to complete each day. I understand that this is a personal experience, but I have to imagine I'm not alone in this.
You get levels from XP, so being at a certain level means that you got a certain amount of XP. In other words, they are two different ways to present the same thing.
AGREE. I miss the levels. Reached 25 in Spanish and was at 23 in Chinese when my levels disappeared.
I can't see my levels at all. It's always given me a little bit of a push. Motivating. Please return them.
This is strange, I can still see my levels on my profile, and the levels of all users posting in the forums as usual. I guess they are doing an A/B test. Either that, or they have had pity on me and are letting me continue since I have posted numerous times that I miss the fanfares and fireworks they used to show when we leveled up. =D
Yes, I can confirm they are doing A/B testing. My son opened a new account and there are no levels. People, it is time to voice our opinions!
The levels are not instructive. I'm only half way through my Spanish tree. And I'm spitting distance from level 24. Levels max out at level 25. If they bring back levels they should extend them. Maybe max levels out at 40 or 50.
Leveling-up gave me an incentive to maybe take those extra few lessons each day when otherwise I'd feel like quitting. Now I'll just stop using it when I get tired of it.
Yes! Please, we need this back! One of my main motivations for practicing everyday on Duolingo, was to reach level 25 in German! Now that i can't check my level easily, it's less of an objective....
I agree. I prefer being able to see my level progress easily. What does 162 crowns mean and why would I use them to doctor my progress? I don't need or want to "cheat" to make progress. What is the duome and how do I get there to see my level. Found Duome. Cannot see levels. I have over 23K xp. How many do you need to see levels?
Why did Duolingo removed the next level XP. It now shows just Total XP in my profile.
I agree, it's called giving me a goal to shoot for. This was a RIDICULOUS change.
I liked Levels as an additional motivation, another milestone. I'm on Level 23 in Spanish right now (after some 7 months of study) and am on-track to hit Level 25 in about a month. That said, the tree is now so long that I think it takes close to 40,000 XP to turn it golden, far more than the 30,000 represented by Level 25. Put another way, I estimate I'll have just around 450 crowns (out of 797) when I hit Level 25. A far cry from maxing out the course.
Duolingo seems to be going backwards with features. I currently have to use some complicated work around to get my word list back (which I forget and don't bother with, meaning one method for revising vocabulary is gone). And now they have abolished levels!? They served as good milestones which I could measure my progress by. I mean, sure I abused the system with German and did the basic skills lessons over and over to see if i could gain levels (i could). But we all know what we really are at, and no one would spam the basic lesson to get to level 25 unless they are totally insane. I like seeing a summary of progress in each language by seeing which levels they are at. Experience points mean very little when the number is so large. Crown levels are no better, because they are not visible and aren't any better at being a clear indicator of progress. Bring back levels!
I'm confused to why everyone wants levels back when they are still there? I still see the levels on my profile and besides peoples flags...
I don't see my level either. I see total points and crowns. So now, I'm curious. I'll come back later and look at my own post to see what shows up.
I think that on one hand I can see how some people would love to compare and on second hand I see how some would hate it
let's be sincere, levels were totally useless, the metric was totally arbitrary, so I personally don't even care!
But if they didnt remove levels from our profile I wouldnt be writing this post just to see my level afterwards.
People, why are you voting this comment down? They wrote what they see. Their English is fine. It makes me wonder what your problem is! (There were two downvotes, I have casted my upvote and hopefully the trend will continue up).
Disagree. There was no significance attached since no feature utilized level other than tallying up XP to convert to level number. Rendering level simply a function of XP. Maybe that is appealing to some people, but it seems redundant. I just can't justify being reactionary at something so insignificant.
I was on level 25 french with 3000 XP. Since then I have 2522 new XP. How many more do I need for level 26? My other languages tell me how many I have yet to go. French does not.
There is no level 26. 25 is it - but you can keep getting XP beyond 30 000 (not 3000 I suspect)
Where can I find my level? I know I can see it when commenting, but is it anywhere in our profiles?
I really don't care about that. Sometimes I find that people think more about "fun" than actully LEARNING. Oh- also I agree but also, as I said, it doesn't really matter to ME.
upvote-I sorta liked comparing levels between others to see if I could get the highest level.
I disagree. This is an innovation, Duo is a business. And lack of innovation can make a business failure.
I am amazed at your spectacularly long streak with such low levels! How did you even manage that? Have you deleted your courses and started again or something?
But I can see why you wouldn't want your levels shown. Just all the flags, right? ;P
You will be relatively good at german, Italian, Dutch, and Spanish. He will be terrible at all of them.
I know right, it is one of the disadvantages of studying a lot of languages, so you are right, except I am good at Spanish.
Okay, that happens with a lot of people, where they know more than it looks like they know.
Well, I used to study English, Spanish and a few others. And after reaching a high level on them I saw no point on studying them. And now I do am studying English, my main goal, by laddering, I mean by studying the other languages.
But I can see why you wouldn't want your levels shown. Just all the flags, right? Yes, that's right I have made a considerable endeavor just to have them. But I am on the side of whatever Duolingo update, so if it removes levels I will still be on its side. I am only be disagree when Duolingo don't teach languages anymore.
I think what the Graham Cable was wondering is if you deleted languages altogether? Because you have a 1179-day streak, and besides three level 9's all the rest are at level 2, which most people can achieve in one hour. Or maybe you just do ten XP a day? Yes, I guess that would make sense, you'd have 11,790 XP total. I don't think it's anybody's business how many languages you start or how much you study or if you like the flags because they are pretty. Happy learning. =D
Oh, I didn't thought about that. Anyway I am fan of Duolingo, and as such I will be agree with whatever update it makes. As long as it doesn't affect language learning.
Not sure why taking something away that everyone seemed to like innovation. So now we are looking at crown. Really not all that innovative, especially since there is no scale. It's really not telling me anything except some random number. Would like to see when I move up a step, grade, level. Call it what you like, but make it so it's telling me something. Unless there is a scale no matter how basic it's useless to me. Also, I agree with another poster who said the changes did not make it less competitive. By designating who's first. second, etc, I became competitive and that's not why I'm doing this. From now on, will just work at moving on, not being demoted. : )