https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheBadDog

Another change that demotivates folks who want to refresh a language?

There have been several posts on the fact testing through a level now only gives 20 XP regardless of number of lessons. Today there is an additional change that you have to spend 5 lingots to do so each time.

I am learning Greek from scratch and do every lesson. But I also want to bone up on my French, but without wasting my time doing loads of repetition on the things I know.

Why do you insist on making this harder? I don't give the smallest damn about league tables and progress against other people ... I'm learning for me. You are making your brilliant product less motivating.

Please let people shortcut easily, and I'd happily opt out of being on leagues as I just don't care about them. Then people who are motivated by that can participate, while the rest of us can get on learning a language or two, earning XP at our own pace and fairly getting XP for work done OR knowledge level.

Thanks ... and looking forwards to the new Japanese tree.

June 8, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

Quote: But I also want to bone up on my French, but without wasting my time doing loads of repetition on the things I know.

Using the tapping mobile app IMHO basically means wasting your time, especially with Romance language languages.

Why do you insist on making this harder?

To turn off the words bank and tapping, you need to switch to the www.duolingo.com web portal.

The skill test-out lessons are too easy on the mobile apps with tapping and all given word bank hints.

I could reach the language level 9 and test out multiple checkpoints and Spanish skills by using the Android mobile app, without ever having learned the Spanish language.

And still I was able to successfully pass the test and reach that higher Spanish language level (9) with a lot of guessing.

In comparison:
On the web portal I failed two times to try to pass the initial intro placement test :-)


The other problem with test outs vs sequential "crown sessions" (=lessons):

The "skill crown test-out" was introduced end of June 2018.
It was introduced as an A/B test.

Several people regularly tell, that those tests are way easier (and more monotonous) than the real lessons.

I do not do many test outs for my Portuguese course.
When my EN->PT tree received a "tree update" in June 2018, I was able to use the "old lesson test-out" which was quite challenging for me (based on the old Python 2016 or new Scala 2017 web code), until to the 17-20th question.

Why was the "old lesson test-out" challenging?
Because all those suspended - more difficult - sentences with a higher user error rate were redisplayed.

The most difficult sentences were always brought up at the very end of the progress queue so I did not have extra 3-4 lives ;)


With Romance languages you need to:

  • learn to put your own sentences together (alternative solutions)
  • use proper grammar
  • learn from your mistakes and do better the next time when the same or similar question reappears or when you have to use the same verb in a different context
  • be able to conjugate verbs for the personal pronouns
  • correctly use the verb forms for multiple tenses
  • know where to put the accents/diacritics above words

The tapping mobile app will not really help you with that.

Summary:
Don't waste lingots on the mobile apps for a test out!

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hm437e

I am using an iPhone 6 running iOS 12.3.1, and I have never been able to access the lessons through the website; it keeps re-directing me to the app. Is then the only solution to dump the app?

edit: I do most of my lessons on the desktop (also an Apple). It is more fun there.

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@hm437e

Quote: I have never been able to access the lessons through the website; it keeps re-directing me to the app.

  • 1) Try the "request full desktop site"
  • 2) Try it with different browsers like Firefox or Chrome besides Safari
  • 3) A website might ignore the "request full desktop site" mode option with the built-in browser (e.g Safari)
  • 4) I can confirm for point 3) that this was the case for me with the (old) Android internal browser when I run Duolingo on Bluestacks or KOPlayer (Android emulator); only Firefox solved it

Quote: Is then the only solution to dump the app?

Maybe there is a flag you can unset??

If nothing will work with a different browser the Duolingo web engineer might have forced the app redirection...that problem came up a while ago with some UI web adjustment...and AFAICR it was not the case in 2016.

(Very) Last chance is to uninstall the app, yes.

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hm437e

tks! will give it a try.
The funny thing is, I can read comments as if it were the full website, but as soon as I hit those three balloons (to take me to the lessons) the screen goes green and those wide-open owl eyes start staring at me.

June 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JennyRusse1

I have the same thing on my iPad. I’m redirected to the app. I have a bookmark to the lessons on the website, so I just reopen the page. Or I keep pressing back button till I get back to the website lessons. It’s a nuisance.

June 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheBadDog

Wow ... all very useful! Many thanks.

June 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

Workaround
Use www.duolingo.com in the browser of your device.
Reason:
Testing out of individual skills is still free in Duolingo's (mobile) web version.

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheBadDog

Ah! Thanks. It was free on my Android version until yesterday. Wish it still were!

And amazing streak! I thought about blowing mine at 100 and starting again just to remove the stress of losing a long one ... ha ha ha!

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SamuelHart2

That's awesome! I had no idea.

June 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mereade

well, it can be worse. my app version didn't let me test out beyond level 1 at all. :-) i deleted it.

for review, i recommend using the website and testing out, or using any of the alternatives, there are many for the french learners. such as kwiziq, speakly.me, or tons of great paperbased ones :-)

June 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheBadDog

Thanks!

June 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TngKhangPh

I am using an iPhone 9running iOS 15.3.1, and I have never been able to access the lessons through the website; it keeps re-directing me to the app. Is then the only solution to dump the app?

edit: I do most of my lessons on the desktop (also an Apple). It is more fun there.

June 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alexandra36936

I understand. That's why I opt for using exclusively the web version now, though it is in no way better, but at least it lets me test out for free. However, it is very cumbersome as I now have to turn on my computer every time I want to practice and sometimes I simply do not have the time. At this point I'm only trying my best to get everything gold so that I can practice lessons on my phone again without worrying about hearts, or gems, or lingots.

Also, I agree 100% with the leagues thing. You can change your settings on the web version to make your profile private, and that disables the leagues. It also disables the leaderboard, however, which is sad because I do like to keep track on my actual friends' progress so I can remind them to practice when I see they've forgotten to for a couple days.

June 10, 2019
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