Stories and Complaint Stories
I didn’t think I would get into Stories until I had finished my trees, but I eventually figured, what the hell, I’ve finished my trees twice and DL keeps expanding them, so, I might as well. I’m never gonna finish these trees anyway. So, off I go.
Stories are a welcome addition (can’t wait for the Italian). Stories add a welcome flick on the ear to the daily grind. A little new vocabulary, a bit of new usage, a teeny jolt to the jewels to remind you that language is functional. I’m charmed by the stories.
But I see so many whiny voices in the discussions. I see words like “horrible”, “aggravating”, “terrible”, “dreadful”, “despicable”, “dreadful”, “infuriating”, etc. I quote one user who said, “I know it’s a free service, but…” and then went on a rant.
DL is indeed a free service, Ever expanding, ever open to criticism. If you’re a pro, go take a class at the UN or with the CIA or with the US embassy of your choice. If you’re in the trenches with the rest of us, buckle down and do your work. If I can adapt to DuoLingo referring to “underwear” as “pants” (etc.), surely my British brothers and sisters can adjust occasionally - know what I mean? Keep complaining - politely - I’m sure it’ll all work itself out without your knickers twisting up. (I object to the nomenclature of "English" vs. "American". Two nations divided by a common language is the familiar description. Let's just respect each other's traditions, shall we?)
And it's FREE!!!
DL is giving it a go. And it doesn’t cost us ANYTHING. We have the right, of course to complain, to correct, to guide. But we can do it kindly, creatively, and supportively. And, with input, supplying our own knowledge and information.I have seen nothing to convince me that this (DL) is anything but a well-intentioned venture. And I see no reason to treat it as anything but such.
When are we going to get Portugal Portuguese?
I really like the woman's voice before they updated it. She sounds so unnatural now.
Why do we have to learn words only used in Spain? I just want to visit Mexico!
I say I'm going to the loo, not to the john. I should not be counted off for correctly spelling in English!
I wrote "Hello Daddy!" for "hallå papa!" and it was counted wrong. It wanted "dad". WTF??
My screen is too bright. Can we get a dark mode?
Why do I have to learn "The butterfly wants me to take him to the museum"?! When would I ever use that sentence in real life??
There's nothing good in the lingot store to buy!
To me, this seems like a mix of genuine constructive criticisms and stupid complaints. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes, because it really depends on the way someone says it.
Good satire, angus. You actually make the gripes sound cute or even funny. But similar comments really get my goat, especially on the Sentence discussion pages. I am far from a linguo-nationalist, but the endless gripes from citizens of one particular nation are particularly aggravating.
I remember when I first got here, I made a public suggestion to the Duolingo team on this forum. I don't want to say what it is, but at that fleeting moment I thought it was a wonderful idea and how it should be implemented immediately!
Looking back on it, it embarrasses me now. It didn't even get downvotes. It just wasted away in to the forum abyss with one person telling me it was a stupid idea.
I'm not a child and I don't spam. But what I was at that time was inexperienced. I'm just glad I put in a bit more time and observed what was expected on this site, and pay attention to the comments of the long-time users who explain things to me and others in such a way that remind me that this is a free site, used by millions, and to use the program as-is, and to use the forum with respect.
I agree with your sentiments and have found that with each revision the material is gaining relevance, and what the hell if the tree keeps growing, that forces us down a revisionary path that can only be good.
One of my complaints has been the lack of contextual prompts to identity gender, plurality, tense where the exercise is spoken. However I am seeing this creeping in and it is welcome.
Not sure if this is a DL problem or not, but some of the audio files leave something to be desired. One example recently was the French “sors” that came across as “slor” in both normal and slow. I must say that most of the audio is ok and “improves as my ear becomes more attuned
Complaining and moaning is free and until or unless a person matures, it somehow gives them bennies (benefits) of some kind.
Songve. So right, it gets them attention, which evidently makes them special.
The stories really are excellent learning tools and rather entertaining as well. I’ve not seen any complaints about them except for technical issues.
shush shush.. don't bring it to their attention as I may wake up and find the stories gone. I have a constant fear of that happening
The way you present your opinion is very coherent and effective. I wholeheartedly agree. I see so many people who don't know what (constructive) criticism is going on endless rants. Others join in due to the crowd mentality, and due to the fact that it feels -good- to be angry about something (especially when you think you're right lol). On the other hand, Duo staff isn't as communicative as they could be, which can make users feel frustrated and like they don't matter. It's easy to be mad and vent, which is why we should avoid it. Thanks for the reminder!
Thanks for your balanced perspective! The biggest mistake I made in High school was not taking a foreign language. I've lived most of my adult life in New York City doing work with the homeless/children/hungry and regretted I couldn't speak their language. Thanks to Duolingo, I am quickly learning to communicate with my neighbors and co-workers.
I have posted this elsewhere on the forum but it seemed more appropriate here. Do all the stories have Tinycards attached to them? I am on set 11 and recently having finished a story, no Tinycards have come up.
Duolingo is changing how Tinycards work. Before they used to be build based on the words you hovered over in the story. They are now having one set of tinycards for each story. These are just being rolled out. So for later sets like set 11 the new cards arent ready.
@Scrapple: Oh, this is very interesting, I am glad to hear that TinyCards will still be available for Stories.
Where did you hear the news about the new TinyCards decks?
I have gone through all of the stories for Spanish one time and am now going through a second time. I noticed the missing TinyCards for the later stories and complained about it, but got no response. I really value being able to drill down and learn the words that are new to me from the stories.
Well said! Wish there were more posts in the forum like this. Have you noticed you repeated the word dreadful in the third paragraph?
Well, it's free but Duolingo has strange ways of dealing with it. The "heart health" nonsense is supposed to keep us from learning too much at once, while the "leaderboard" nonsense is supposed to encourage us to do the exact opposite. Go figure. Most likely the "heart health" is meant to annoy phone users of Duolingo so much that they will become paying users. The leaderboards are supposed to make us really anxious to compete against a random group of people for absolutely no purpose whatsoever, but Duolingo probably hopes that it will encourage people to do a lot more lessons and simultaneously increase viewership of their ads and earn them more ad revenue. Both "heart health" and "leaderboards" are incredibly stupid and pointless and should be abolished, or at least be made voluntary for Duolingo users whether they are paying or not.
Interesting - I see the "Heart health" completely differently. If I run out of hearts, I am clearly not doing well on the new stuff today and so I need to review and re-earn the hearts to back to the new lessons. Also, it keeps me doing a mixture of new lessons and reviewing old ones.
Yes, it is so useful to run out of hearts in the middle of a lesson and have the whole thing thrown away so you can't do any more or learn any more in that time period that you set aside for learning. Paying members get unlimited hearts so they don't have to pay the least bit of attention to them. If the hearts are supposed to be helpful why do they make them of no necessity to paying members? The answer is abundantly obvious. You don't need an app to tell you that you are not doing well and need to go over your lessons more thoroughly. You can easily notice that for yourself. Having an app for it is like having an app to tell you that the sky is blue.
Thanks for an interesting and refreshing dose of reality. I won't start on my own rant about entitlement and "snowflakes" because I am so, so tired of that in the media. That is why I spend so much time here, even in the forums and definitely learning languages.
The problem is that people are only human and humans are, well, we won't go there either. I have found some of the kindest and most helpful comments come from the "kids", the "spammers". I could learn a lot from them. The entitled ones, (of all ages) well, I often am not really that good at masking my disgust. Just yesterday, I started TWO comments with "Puh-leez". I did delete it. I often wish we had a system here to rate comments too. However, the one I miss most even on social media that offer them is the eyeroll. Heaven forbid I ever figure out how to comment that. LOL.