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Spanish Book Club!

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Welcome Spanish and Reading lovers.....

In this discussion thread it was suggested that each language form its own Book Club so we can combine two passions, language and reading.

While the original idea suggested was to read a New York Bestsellers style book in English with discussions in the target language, we have decided to do something slightly different for the Spanish Book Club.

Starting with El León, La Bruja y El Ropero (The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe) the goal is to read this book in Spanish and discuss it here also in Spanish. The idea is to build a community of support and motivation while using our growing skills in Spanish to communicate.

We will start off slow, and see where everyone's language level is, and be as accommodating as possible. If you don't feel comfortable reading the book in Spanish, please feel free to read it from your native language.

The discussions will be primarily in Spanish, but will allow for English when needed (just don't try to use it as too much of a crutch). I'd prefer to keep the conversations to Spanish and English because those are the assumed known (or learning) languages for everyone here. Please use the discussions for discussing points in the book, asking for translation help, expressing difficulties you are experiencing, etc. This is still in the experimental stage, so as a community, we can change them as we see fit.

The first book being read is El León, La Bruja y El Ropero by C.S. Lewis. The first chapter is available here. You can click on the picture of the book and read the sample (which includes the entire first chapter and part of the second). I think this is a good place to start and allows time for everyone to obtain a copy of the book, while still having an opportunity to begin reading it. Since not everyone has had time to 'prepare', I think we should allow until next Friday (13 Jun) for everyone to read this section.

Don't forget to check your local libraries (if that is an option). Many libraries (in the US) will do 'inter-library loans'. This means you can request a book and they will find it for you, sometimes even from another state (they will mail it to your local branch).

Here are some question to think about while you are reading, and hopefully get some conversation started. I'm not sure exactly sure the best way to approach this yet, but hopefully that will all become clear once we start.

What is your first impression of each child’s personality?
What do you think about Lucy’s decision to enter the wood alone – was it safe, brave, foolish?

Please use this thread for discussing El León, La Bruja y El Ropero.

General El León, La Bruja y El Ropero discussion and Chapter 1
Chapter 2 and 3 discussion
Chapter 4 and 5 discussion
Chapter 6 and 7 discussion
Chapter 8 and 9 discussion

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

So, I don't think I can link anything illegal, but I'm just going to point out that I happened to google "El León, La Bruja y El Ropero pdf" and it was the top result. That's all.

And I'm really excited about this idea. =)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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For anyone who is curious, the approximate difficulty level of our first book (El León, La Bruja y El Ropero (The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe) ) is B1 Intermediate. (Or at least the first 30 pages are. I'm not sure about the rest.)

EDIT I was able to clarify that the whole book averages out to B1 according to RL's assessor.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

How'd you find out the level? Is there a listing I don't know about yet?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@Aliciaftw, ReadLang has a built in document assessor for certain kinds of files. The diacritical/accent marks from text documents read as question marks (more of a hindrance than a help in this case.) It works great for epub format and websites though! I'm off to start reading the first chapter so I can work on this week's questions. Good luck! ^_^

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Oooo, I forgot about that! Thanks. =)

Be interesting if there a list of books by CEFR level online for many languages. Perhaps I should find the time to work on that for the good of the world. =P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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I don't know how you figured this one out :), but good to know. Thanks! I feared it would be something around B2...

edit: you gotta be kidding me: posting at the same time?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lewisjcranston16

I love reading Tintin in Spanish! I've already read 2 Tintin books in Spanish, very fun and understandable! "Templo del Sol" is my favourite as they travel to Peru in search of a friend captured by the Incas! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hucklebeary

Heya Wazzie,

Fantastic idea. Really nice of you to put this together. I'd love to participate but unfortunately, after taking that test that someone recommended below, I am severely lacking in my "level". I just came back to duo after a couple of months off so I'm redoing all my lessons now and hopefully will be able to crack A2 and then B1 shortly.

I like the idea that someone had for having multiple tiers of the bookclub. Like say A1 books, A2 books, etc.. I don't know how well that would work though. Logisitically it seems like it could be a nightmare. But it would be immensely helpful for those that may not know where or how to start with books that are below this ones (LBR) current level. Maybe you and some others could post a thread recommendation for books in the A1-A2-B1 levels?

Have you made a thread on the Reddit duolingo sub for this yet? Perhaps you could even create a new sub specifically for this... r/DuolingBookClub! :)

That would be pretty cool imo and you could have a lot of help in putting various things together such as tiered bookclub levels (a1, a2, etc..) as well as a FAQ could be put together covering the various levels of proficiency, how to test your proficiency, what Spanish level on DL and what tiers on DL would get you to each reading level, a list of recommended reading materials for each level, a list of sites that provide reading materials or where to go to download them, etc.. etc...

I'm sure you'd get a lot of help and contributions from our thriving DL Spanish/redditor community. It could really be a great thing for you to make, no? :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Visualsilva

My first book in spanish that I read was 'La Casa En Mango Street" Sandra Cisneros. Then I read "Cuando Era Puertorriquena" by Esmeralda Santiago. Now I'm reading her second book "Casi Una Mujer"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
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Hope everyone is following the discussion :)
I posted a discussion to discuss LBR here

I was going to wait a bit before making a new discussion, but I noticed some of you were eager to get started :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrazyKaderKat

I love this book!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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I love to hear this. Feel free to jump in anytime, even from the beginning. The more the merrier. ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrazyKaderKat

ok

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/heqamaat
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I didn't seen the original thread but this is really cool and also lucky for me because I already own the book in Spanish even. Will there be new threads for the discussions?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sweeby
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This seems a great idea. Another option could be to get the book on kindle if you have one, I think that's what I am going to do.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
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And the Kindle and Kindle Paper-white (not Fire) can utilize a (downloaded) Spanish-English dictionary to use while you are reading.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Do you have the name of one? I have a Kindle and it has an English dictionary that pops up when I press on words. But, I don't know how to get one that works the same way for Spanish-English. I don't think buying a random Spanish-English dictionary from Kindle will have the same effect.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
wazzie
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Here are some pretty good steps. I actually don't yet own a Kindle, but have been strongly considering it for this feature alone.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@Wazzie. My kindle English dictionary feature also works on the app versions. (I just tested it out on my Android phone and I'm almost certain it works for iPad too.) So, if you have something that runs the app, you might not need to buy the actual Kindle, so long as you have a Kindle version of the book.

PS I'm making my way through page 2 of our first book. It's taking a while because there are words and phrases I've never heard of, like railroad (ferrocarril). I was able to get ReadLang to work with an epub (I can't share the link because I'm uncertain about it) but this is making me realize that getting access to Kindle Spanish-English dictionary by app or reader is a very good idea. I bought Los Juegos Del Hambre via Kindle store and can't imagine getting through it without the dictionary feature. So, if you figure that out while you're reading our first book, please do share in your OP. ^_^

[PS Edited my comment]

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/julesew
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If you own an ipad or iphone you can download a kindle app and use that. I use my ipad to read Spanish book (even though I have a basic kindle) because I find looking up words much easier - just touch the word on the screen and the definition appears. I do not use a translator - I can pretty much always figure out what the word means from the spanish definition. I've just finished a simplified Moby Dick (B1). Looking forward to the book club - my copy arrived in the post 2 days ago and I have read most of the 1st chapter.

4 years ago

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@julesw Welcome to the book club! :D Which Spanish-English dictionary is your Kindle using to offer the definitions?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lazouave
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¡Es una idea fantástica! Lo voy a empezar a leer ahora mismo...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReeMcGee

Awesome idea!! I have tried to read some books in Spanish, but haven't yet progressed from board-books. :P it would be super helpful to have someone help me translate. LOVE the idea! thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Salxandra
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Maravilloso. Ya he estado leyendo el libro.

How do we keep track of this book's discussion?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
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I'm still thinking of the best way to do this (and I am very open to suggestions).
I don't want to start too many different Discussions, DL has given us their blessing to operate through their discussion forum, but too many discussions is always spammy. Other options of using Facebook/Google+ raises privacy concerns and doesn't have a good way to reply to multiple comments.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Salxandra
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Wazzie.... Here's my opinion... Facebook and Google+ have the best functionality for this, but leaving the Duolingo website defeats the purpose to some extent.

So.... how to make the Duolingo discussion forum do something it wasn't intended... um ... actually be a functional forum....

Here's my thoughts. there would be two concurrent Duolingo discussion threads for the Spanish book club. Currently, that would this thread and another thread for people's questions as they read the first chapter.

On June 13, 2014 - two new threads would be started. The first for a "formal" discussion of the 2 questions, : "What is your first impression of each child’s personality? What do you think about Lucy’s decision to enter the wood alone – was it safe, brave, foolish" The second thread would be for the "loose" discussion of Chapter 2 as we read that chapter.

On June 20, another two threads would be started. One for the discussion of the posed questions and the second for miscellaneous discussions for the forthcoming reading.

etc.

I apologize for being repetitive, but I feared I was being confusing.

Anyways, that's my idea.

Oh, and, the host (Wazzie) would put links to the current two discussion threads in his Profile Bio. This would make the book club easily accessible. One would just friend Wazzie, and click on his profile and you could easily get to the posts.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
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My biggest problem with Facebook/Google (besides some privacy concerns and some users being unable to use social media site) is there is no way (that I can tell) to allow discussion. Where here you can write a comment, I can reply to that comment and you can reply to that reply...
An alternate 'forum based' site I was considering was reddit, which not only has collapsible threads, you can sort them by newest/oldest, which I think would be beneficial.
The first few chapters will be a bit of a test run, I think. If we seem to big to operate within the confines of this discussion, we may have to seek other options.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I like the reddit idea because I can't do FB. And I think G+ would reveal my email addy to folks, which I also don't want to do.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sumake99
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Que buena idea!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/The_Artisan

I really like this idea. I've been downloading some e-books since it's not illegal in my country. AT LEAST, not yet. But since I really have very little knowledge in Spanish, I think I should study more.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/3x3rubix

the idea is so cool!!!!!! i wish i knew spanish so i could have participated in the discussion..... i have just started to learn it a week ago :-(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JesperSW

Buena idea! Voy a empezar leer capitulo uno hoy :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LiRz
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This is a really cool, motivating idea, thanks! Maybe we should divide the book club into levels (A1,A2,B1,etc.) and the people of each level should read a different book the would suit them. There are online tests that will easily determine the level of each of us... I think it will lead to better outcomes, participation and motivation :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TruckinTortuga

Hi. I love this idea. I have always wanted to start reading a book in Spanish, but did not think I could get through it on my own. Where is the online tests that you speak of? I found one "http://www.spanish-test.net/". Is this the one we should use or can you suggest another testing site? I will test by tomorrow and let you all know what my results are, and if I will be joining the "El León, La Bruja y El Ropero" discussion. I want to make progress but also bring something to the table for everyone else.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LiRz
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Yes, that's the test I referred to. And me too, I think a really Important part of duolingo is that each of us brings their cultural background and enriches the community. I have already read the book many times in my native language, so I will try to participate in the discussion using my poor (poor!) spanish.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TruckinTortuga

Ok. Only tested 67% in level A1. Need at least 70% to advance to next level. So, basically I'm at a zero level!!! Wah, wah, wah.......total fail! I know a lot of words, from previous studies, but not yet good enough at verb conjugations. I'll get there. Motivated by that test, duolingo, and the community here at duolingo. Guess I'll join the book club later.......later, later. Thanks for the online test info!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melita2

I just took this test, all four levels (July 6, 2014) and it is an excellent tool. The only drawback for me was that they don't tell you which questions you got wrong. So I know my score, but I don't know how to check out my wrong answers to improve.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Strayer8

That's a great idea and highly motivating! I know it's just a minor success but even though I'm only at level 7 with my Spanish course I still managed to understand the very first sentence of the Spanish description on the website. It sure urges you to move forward with learning the language. (Although I have to admit that I speak a bit of French so it was also a bit of a help but the main understanding originated from the Duolingo Spanish course.)

I hope that the idea will grow into an active forum or forum thread. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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[Response to book prompt: moved to this discussion: Book Club: El León, La Bruja y El Ropero ]

<h1>For info about ReadLang, see comments below Pirjastaa's post.</h1>
4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erven.R
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I use SpanishDict for my dictionary.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pirjastaa
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Thanks ! This was very helpful ! I've been trying to install Readlang to my iPad, with no luck. Could someone give me advice ?

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There is no app. It's simply a website which also runs on mobile devices (phones, tablets). http://readlang.com.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pirjastaa
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Thanks ! Now it works.

4 years ago

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The app creator, Steve, is really good about responding to emails. If you go to ReadLang's support link, you'll find Steve's email. ^_^ But yes, I just use the website while I'm on my iPad. Mind you, only txt. files, epub, and DRM-free digital books will work on ReadLang, as far as digital books go. Otherwise it works great with webpages.

(PS txt. files are a pain because it changes all diacritical/accented letters into black triangles with question marks.)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/heqamaat
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Adding this in the right place :)

For anyone still having compatibility issues with Readlang, what I ended up doing was installing the browser app for chrome. Then I copied the text into a private blog entry (I used dreamwidth but I'm sure any blog site would work) and read it through there. You'll have to find a version of the book you can copy yourself but I'll just say I managed to obtain a pdf that worked fine (legal in my case since I own a copy of the book as well but... you know)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Pirjastaa
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Muchas gracias ! and lingot. :)

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Ha, so we don't use the translated names: Lucía, Pedro, Edmundo y Susana. ¿No?

But I think there will be a dedicated thread for these discussions.

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@raans, good point! I will go and change them in my post. I imagine some of the other names as we go along could be confusing. So, it is probably good for me to follow the Spanish names. :)

EDIT: My version of the Spanish language book is using Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy. I just double checked because I was wondering why I had used the English names. Hrm... I will add a disclaimer to my posts in the future listing both names if I can.

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Ha, I have Pedro, Susana, Edmundo and Lucía. ;)

EDIT alright, I've seen the new book club forum.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lauryswagner
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Vamos a leer los otros libros en esta serie tambien? He estado leyendo "El Caballo y el Muchacho" :)

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@lauryswagner, ese libro es mi favorito de la serie! :D Pero, no lo he leyendo en español

EDIT, UPDATE: I just got it. I'm going to read it alongside the book I'm reading for the club and use it for one of my books for the SuperLanguageChallenge.

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Whoo! Haha I've been reading it very slowly because I have to translate every fourth word or so but it's a good book so far :D I'm only on about page 25 or so.

That SuperLanguageChallenge looks awesome!!! I'm signing up right now! Although I don't know if I'll have the patience to complete all 100 movies... AND books! Haha we'll see. Thanks so much for sharing it!! :)

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I'm doing the half challenge (50 films and 50 books). As for the book club, I am also having to look up many of the words. As I've purchased the entire Narnia series in English, I went and Googled an epub copy and uploaded it through ReadLang. It accelerated my reading time by a lot. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bklynite

I would like to join.

4 years ago

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@bklynite, anyone is welcome! You don't have to do anything special. Just follow along and if you would like to, answer the question prompts. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/broca23

Awesome! I'm so glad I stumbled across someone referencing this book club in a thread. And I won't be starting tooo late.

'El sobrino del mago' fue el primer libro que leí en castellano =)

eta: 2 things that would have been better to mention earlier, but maybe I didn't see them.

1) Another name for the book in Spanish is El león, la bruja y el armario.

2) In Spanish only the first word and proper nouns in a title are capitalized. I lost a fair amount of points in a Spanish class from not figuring that out.

4 years ago
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