Participants in leagues should learn the same language
I really like the new leagues feature, I really do. It's a great incentive to continue learning languages. However I see that some participants have thousands of experience points like a day after a new rounds has begun.
The top scoring participant that I checked only learned English while I am learning Japanese. I believe this person is using the stories that are available in that course. I see this as completely unfair because stories are not available in the Japanese course.
My suggestion is that leagues should be for each language only. To participate in a league and score higher you should get experience from that course specifically.
Thank you for reading.
That is a good idea, but some of us are learning more than one language on here every week. I practice 3-5 languages every week on here, so that would require a lot of leagues per person. I don't think it would work out.
They could have a setting that allows you to remove yourself from the league you were placed in, and choose the one you prefer to join. That will also satisfy the desire of those users who complain that they don't like the leagues at all -- they will be able to opt out.
Show competitive single language pair XP to everyone.
Show multiple language pair combined XPs only on Profile.
no Direct Message within Duolingo (concern for minors and avoid abusive interactors.)
If some can afford Plus please do. That helps pay for computer servers; coding; etc. which are not just done by volunteers. I subscribe because the ads messed up my concentration when I was studying, was very annoying. Also helps support infrastructure for people who cannot afford to subscribe.
I think mobile app will improve because apple iOS on phones and iPads from 2016 and forward will support desktop browser this fall. Before that it was very awkward to code for mobile browser separately from web/desktop.
I do not agree there should be no direct messaging. We were coming up with cute games that were completely appropriate for children, For example we counted with no participant taking two turns in a row. We also answered each others' questions. We were especially nice to minors and I have a little girl on my friends list, Our administrators made sure there was no inflammatory language even though it was never a problem. Seperate languages should go on seprerate boards, Multiple languages should show up on multiple boards. There is no reason to show disfavor if some are able to handle many languages simultaneously. Maybe Duolingo Jr might be an option as minors have had problems competing with adults.
"Maybe Duolingo Jr might be an option as minors have had problems competing with adults."
It would also offer a space to learn more "adult" words in the grown-up courses.
I agree for the most part, but studies have shown that it is easier to learn languages the younger you are, meaning that minors aren't really at a disadvantage.
I also wish there was still direct messaging. Case in point: I'd message the guy who called jairapetyan "noobs." It's spam, first of all, and also it's wrong. Why did he make that assumption? Because she shows she knows English punctuation whereas he prefers to disregard it? In a two-word comment, he made two mistakes! Or does he assume to be tech-savvy you should also be half-illiterate?
Thank you, and also to all those of you who are downvoting his comment. It's annoying to have to read spam when we have an important subject at hand (besides being insulting to me, for no reason -- I am not a noob!) :)
Forums can be turned off in the privacy settings, so "no direct messaging for minors" can easily be implemented by the user.
Opting out is already possible: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31999344/Opt-out-of-leaderboards
A setting to choose different league could be nice feature but implementing this is costly and the outcome could be very little because only very few users could benefit from it.
To opt out now, you need to set your profile as private. That means nobody can see you, you go incognito, and of course you wouldn't be on your friends' leaderboards. I'm suggesting a setting that only regards participation in leagues.
But if you go private, then decide you wanna go back public, do you return to the bronze league or keep the league you were in?
Maybe it depends on how long you had gone private for, and if for a short while, whether the final deadline has passed or not. If it's been more than a week I would guess that you drop down one league each week from where you were.
I would expect you to go down one level each week you didn't take part. So if you had been in the gold league it would take two weeks to end back at bronze.
Maybe it depends on how long you had gone private for, and if for a short while, whether the final deadline has passed or not. If it's been more than a week I would guess that you would be placed in Bronze again.
Actually you only get demoted one league at a time. I know because I got demoted once.
"cho[sing a] different league could be nice feature but implementing this is costly"
Ironically this is what happened in effect when we used to choose who to follow as friends. We'd each have our own designer league. I wonder how much Duolingo saved by scrapping this and instead implementing the current system?
We used to choose who to follow as friends? I still have my leaderboard of the friends and students I follow. You don't? I use DL on the web platform. My friends leaderboard is positioned under the leagues leaderboard, assignments, and achievements. On my profile page there are my languages on the right, and under them with the 71 users I follow and the 6164 who are following me. I also still see levels in the discussions. I think they must be doing A/B testing on that feature. Question is, do they test just to confirm that it works, or do they test to see what the reaction of their userbase is?
jalrapetyan .. " I still have my leaderboard of the friends and students I follow. You don't? "
You still have it but if people change their setting it means they no longer show on their friends leader boards. eg if your friends change their setting to opt out of the leagues, you will no longer have them on your friends board.
uphilldweller... "mobile web" means you open a browser on your cellphone and work on DL there?
jairapetyan "I use DL on the web platform"
My version is called 'mobile web'. Friends appear only under My Profile and there is definitely no 'Friends league' like there was before we were all upgraded to 'improved' leagues.
You suppose they got a refund for the time used to implement it in the first place?
some of us have added each other as friends after finding others who use duolingo and are doing the same language.
I found people like that to add as my friends here who I first met through the conservation website (a learning site unrelated to this but many from duolingo use) and we like to follow each other. We are a bit competative though our scores here though we dont talk here. Not blocking each other from seeing our scores is important to some of us.
AndrewKlee1, you're so right. Duolingo would be so much better if there was a social aspect! When they took away the activity stream, they promised it would be replaced by something similar. That was two years ago... we are still waiting...
I see dogomolo. With the mobile web version we used to have this and weekly/monthly/all-time scores ordered in tabular form. We were spoilt I know. Now friends are buried somewhere in Profile (I think) as names only.
That out is not suitable at all for some of us like myself who follow friends and they follow us as it means then we need to block our public profile.
But what do you get out of following somone? Just seeing how much xp they've acquired in a given week? I don't get it.
I pick people for different reasons: interesting mix of languages, Total XPs just above mine so that I will try to reach to catch up, new learner (who picked me for whatever reason, so I follow them back to be encouraging).
Along the same lines; one could be in a league for each language, but choose which one(s) to track so that all of them aren't sending notifications.
There is a reason to shout as some languages are more difficult than others. Have you looked at Hebrew or Navajo? Someone in a romance language has an unfair advantage as they are easy to learn for English speakers. KEEP BOARDS SEPERATE!!!
Quote:But XP is not linked to difficulty...it's linked to time spent learning.
Not exactly... if a skill is harder, it will take longer for you to finish it and get the same amount of xp, perhaps even less because you may not get the combo.
It's "SEPARATE", not "SEPERATE". This is one of the very common errors in English, made frequently by natives as well as learners.
You're right. Don't be surprised if you get some downvotes though... people like trying to understand the content without pointing out spelling. However, we're here to learn, and imo the person should tolerate the comment, even better, edit his!
@D.J.C.A.T.X. - not something I do actually (I've opted out of the leagues). But it is possible. And as I understand it, it is a strategy used by some.
@Judit294350, Could you please use the reply button which is immediately above the comment you are relying to? When you put them here at the top they break up the flow of the thread, besides being incomprehensible. Even my browser's find feature couldn't locate your reference to "D.J.C.A.T.X."
@jairapetyan - there is no reply button for me this far into the discussion.
@Dorothy - but you don't have to do harder skills (or harder trees) - you can stick to level 1, easy skills on an easy tree.
Why would that not work out? I must admit I presumed it was language specific and that the league that showed on the page was the one for whichever language I currently had selected.
When I started on Duolingo there was a thing called activity stream and when someone posted comments on their activity stream these comments appeared on the activity streams of the people who were following them.
It was also possible to direct message somebody individually it was possible to talk to the modulators this way.
the activity streams stopped about 2 years ago when they changed the coding
Yes, the Activity Stream was great, and I wish they would give it back to us. As I understand, they were concerned for the safety of users, especially minors. When they took it away, they promised there would be some sort of replacement, but they haven't kept that promise.
The learner of single language has as much or little time as the learner of multiple languages. How would it be fair to me to have me split my XP between 4 leagues, while you can put all of yours into one?
Also keep in mind that the smaller languages may not even have enough active learners to keep a league system alive.
I see you have tried Japanese. The secret to Duolingo Japanese being fun is to memorize Hiragana/Katakana characters before doing the lessons. I had studied Japanese when I lived in Tokyo, and IMOTOYOUKO'S HIRAGANA CHART is the best chart I have seen online: (click on it from this list) https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/hiragana-chart/
Learn all Hiragana characters first, 5 characters at a time (vertically), going right to left. Once you have memorized them all, corresponding Katakana characters will be much easier to learn. Ganbatte!
Yes, mixed would be much more fair. Someone who is learning three languages is doing much more work than someone who is learning one of those three. But honestly, I don't really see the problem of mixed language leaderboards. Stories don't really go that much faster and the xp are not scored evenly across languages, easier/harder skills anyway.
I agree. I don't care if there are people beating me who are repeating Basics 1 in English over and over to do so. If people really do that, they are dummies without much of a life anyhow. ;) Let them have their moment of glory, and 15 lingots!
The problem is, this is kinda demotivating for people who do not hack the system to get kdfsagjillion XP to know the system is promoting repeating the most basic stuff.
I think the problem could also be that there are a certain number of people who are unemployed or retired, and have more time on their hands than you and me. I could also do kdfsaghillion XP, while also improving my German, but I'd have to sacrifice sleep to do that. No, six hours a night is my minimum.
It would be great to have both, using filters that let you view tables by all languages or by specific languages.
Some people on Duo aren't super serious about getting to speaking fluency as fast as possible, and hence use Duolingo as a tool to just learn about these languages, their grammar and their words. It's also entirely possible that they're a polyglot or someone who is already good in those languages and is using Duo to make sure they keep their language skills intact.
My point being, learning two or more languages at once may not work for you depending on who you are and what you intend to achieve. I would never be the person who could do two or more languages at once, even if I'm studying them very passively.
Yep. I don't start multiple languages at once, but I speak/read several. For me, the latter languages have been easier because I already have a foundation in language learning. There are people that have trouble compartmentalizing them though.
Yes, if I was in a rush, I would be doing 1 language. I am doing this for fun and interest. I want to be able to use the languages I'm doing really well, but not in a hurry. I started a few, added a few more, and will add more, too. It helps that I had tried learning some of them before in books, etc, but I'm excited to have been able to get this far in Greek, Turkish, Norwegian, Japanese with no prior knowledge of them, and several others with almost none. It will be a long time before I can have proper conversations, but it's good to feel how far you have travelled :-)
It's also easier if the languages are from more distinct families. I learnt French and Spanish together at school and it was very difficult because the sounds of the words are just similar enough that I'd forget if something was from French or Spanish.
I'm now learning Norwegian, Spanish and Japanese and they are all very distinct so there's much less of a chance of mixing them up! I do have my main focus language (Norwegian) and the rest of them are more like gradual learning/familiarity.
By already having put in a lot of time before finding Duolingo, learning those languages. Some of us are old! It is easier to learn multiple languages after getting to understand the grammar of the first one and really mastering it, but I wouldn't say starting with several languages is helpful for most people.
Only if you don't have a job - or are only interested in language at a very low level. Assume 15 minutes/language - then it's only an hour a day - but it will take many years to even complete beginner level. But if you are also doing them at school then time for study is built into your day. If you are retired (or unemployed) then you can spend many hours a day in study (but hopefully not all on DL).
If you are asking about language interference, generally don't start two similar languages at the same time. Do reasonable blocks - 15 minutes is probably a little short. Take physical and temporal breaks between languages. Keep separate notebooks.
That’s the pairing I’m working on right now! Personally, I waited until the basics of Spanish felt really natural, with me able to mentally reach for them successfully almost instantaneously to forming the sentence in English. If I was still getting used to Spanish, I may have gotten more confused. I’m an editor and was helping a fantasy writer with a constructed language, when I first started Spanish in college. I had trouble because I’d reach for a Spanish word and come up with the word in the constructed language. That was incredibly frustrating. Helpful to exercise both mental muscles, I guess, but added stress.
I think waiting until that mental concrete has set will be really helpful. Then progressing very slowly in small and steady incriments should help. They’re related, being Romance languages, but they have their own quirks, and even tongue positioning is really different (Spanish is more forward and higher in the mouth, French much lower and with a more closed mouth).
I know it sounds condescending, but I promise I do not mean it that way; I’m about to say this because I had this issue. I kind of expected it to be more like Spanish, which is... kinda dumb of me. Take the little wins when you realize there’s something French has in common with Spanish, and use that to help remember the rule or word, but don’t ever expect it to be the case, or the whole time it’ll be one long comparing and contrasting experience, rather than just taking it as it comes and gauging it on its own merits.
Regardless, I wish you luck. Just try to be on guard and recognize the signs of burnout or confusion before they get too strong and result in you disliking the language simply because it was bad timing. In these situations, we’re really our own worst enemies. If communities were still a thing, I’d invite you to hit us up and we could work on both branches together with people, but alas, Watchword is no more. Best of luck to you.
Ahmed, I have taken French, Mandarin and Spanish in school before, so most of it is more reviewing than learning. It also depends on the person. Some people can do it fine others can't, and thats totally fine.
If you alternate times of day it might help you. Try doing fifteen minutes of Spanish in the morning and fifteen minutes of French at night. The clear division of language to time might prove helpful to you.
Ahmed, I think you get better at learning languages as you learn more- maybe your brain adapts and becomes in the habit of learning new things. Like with a taxi driver, there's a part of the brain that grows as they learn the networks of roads. I expect there is something similar in language learning. Try French again once you are at a high level in Spanish. Maybe it will be easier then. Or try something really really difficult, like, (for me) the Hindi or Hebrew... that will make almost any other language seem easier :-)
Ahmed, since I was a [Cognitive] Psychology major, I study languages with an interest in how information is processed and concepts are communicated. The human brain is made to sort out all this, so the first question to ask yourself is “What” didn’t work for you, what made it hard to distinguish between French and Spanish – Sounds? Spelling? Accents? Grammar? Conjugations?
To me, French and Spanish sound very different, but to a lot of people, they sound very similar.
Pick something you enjoy (activities, food, movies, books), then find people/characters to study how they express the language. Pretend you are a French chef, instructing TV viewers – how many eggs? Un, deux, trois – Voilà! C'était facile! (Staples EASY button)
English was my second language, but my first written one; I learned to read/write before speaking it, and through listening, not translating. Since Duolingo’s model is to translate, I am trying to mimic immersion by learning Spanish from French. Perhaps you can try French from Spanish.
We already had this infrastructure with clubs. Each club was language specific. Just reimplement the same feature but with leagues. The league it shows is whichever language you currently have selected.
In other words, you can have one league per language you are studying just like they had with clubs.
Each language could have a league. When you click the flag to practice your other language, it should have the league for that language displayed next to your lessons.
I am also learning 5 languages and find it very impractical to attempt to compete in 5 leagues.
Doing many languages also gives one an unfair advantage over others as this means the person can just pick the language they are doing the best in if they need more points to go up a league.
I'm very slow at the language I'm learning so can't get a lot of points at once like some do. It takes me usually 30mins to get through one lesson on it (it used to take me up to 3hrs to get my 50XP per day).
While technically that's true, it would still be the same probably within a league of just the same language if someone is incredibly proficient at that language. A slow language learner is never going to be that great at the leagues without putting in an inordinate amount of time. The same would apply with people who have jobs, vs people who have the ability to stay on the their computers all day and blast out a few lessons whenever they feel like it.
I still think making leagues language specific is probably a good idea.
Leagues should be made voluntary, and only for people who care more about mindless competition than they do about learning languages.
You should be in a different league for each language than. That will also represent your dedication to that specific league.
Obviously a lot of people aren't capable of this. Not only do they seem to care what you are doing, but how you're doing it.
And if they don't like what you're doing the only option is to try to abolish what you're doing.
I agree completely! I have been working my butt off trying to keep up with the leagues, only to discover that I am not competing with students of the same language, or at the same level of a language. I study French at level 25, I dare say that my level is more difficult and takes more time per lesson than was required at single digit levels, even in French.
I have no idea how complicated the study of, say, Greek, or Russian, or Spanish is, I’m merely suggesting that we should be comparing apples to apples, not making fruit salad!
Learning more than one language? Good for you! Join more than one league!
I'm currently at the top of Sapphire, and I'm studying French at level 25 too. The person who's hot on my tail is studying high level Portuguese. So it's not that we're studying easier languages or at lower levels, it's just that we're putting in insane amounts of work at this time. (Not to top the leagues, I might add... the leagues are just a little sideline amusement for me).
A lot of people seem to assume that people putting in crazy time in leagues are somehow not actually language learning. I honestly don't know how they come to this. The fact is people who are very good at something tend to put in waaay more hours per day at that activity than people who are merely okay. 10,000 hours if you don't want it to take a lifetime requires insane amounts of work, and I'm sure people who are trying to become fluent in a language aren't spending all of their time on Duolingo.
Thank you Nelson-James! I have been putting in many many hours learning Spanish! On Duolingo at home; listening to Spanish learning CDs in my car, and watching Pedro Almodovar movies for funsies. I'm actually spending more than 40 hours a week doing this - I've been retired for the past year and this keeps my mind occupied, challenged, and amused. The leaderboards have helped me a lot, bringing out a competitive streak I didn't know I had! I really hope to be fluent by next year when I visit Mexico. So I hope to keep a streak going for a year!
Actually you do. Grammar is usually the thing that gives people the most difficulty, but as for vocabulary, it really doesn't take a lot of vocabulary to become conversant in a language (unless you're learning language for specific fields where the jargon is uncommon).
it really doesn't take a lot of vocabulary to become conversant in a language
Depends what you mean by "a lot" - certainly much less than a native speaker but unless the language shares a lot of vocab roots (like English and French or German, or to a lesser degree English and Italian), I think you need at least 10 000 words to get by in every day situations - chatting, shopping, finding accommodation, getting information you need.
The point is the time required for 10XP varies a lot depending on what tree you are on and what part of the tree. And yes, French is one of the easier trees for native English speakers.
True, but I was responding directly to Andrew who said "I study French at level 25, I dare say that my level is more difficult and takes more time per lesson.."
I agree that it takes a lot longer to do a lesson at level 25 that at the lower levels. Some of the leaders on the boards I've been on have 2000-5000 points, so I assume they are still doing easier lessons that are quicker to finish.
Agree. Two of the three leaders of my league are studying English only, and are level 11-12. I'd prefer to compete with people learning the same languages as I do. Classifying leagues by languages would be perfect. And as you get higher in the leagues, you would get to know other motivated people learning the same language. Honestly, I don't have any interest in competing with people who take 1500 points a week in English at a beginner level.
I'm sorry, but why do you have an issue with English beginners? English is just as hard as any other language (if not more).
If I may infer what Scones24 means, I think he/she is referring to native English speakers who are taking English. That may be incorrect, however.
When these people are able to take 1500 points in the language in 5 or 6 days, I suppose it's not that difficult for them. i.e they're choosing an easy language for them just to "win" the league (whatever that would mean) and by this mean destroy it as a useful tool for those who really want to use it as a motivation to learn a new language.
please, do not judge people so hard, the system is weird, that's all.. do you know how many xp you get for taking a test to know what's you level? i wanted to add an english (native - russian) course to find out where am i in it and develop my skills and i ended up with 500xp for just taking tests to find out there are nothing new for me or too little and hidden somewhere.. obviously i got on the top of my league immediately and unintentionally since it wasn't my goal, i just wanted to take a test and see my favorite english beside my newborn lonely french.. ♡ and now i can't even practice it because it will be getting xp too fast comparing to others in leagues and it won't be fair.. leagues are very raw and xp points are pretty messed up..but maybe someday it will all be fixed :)
For mercy's sake, ignore what other people may think about your language learning practices and do what makes sense to you.
250-300xp a day is totally doable in any language if you are dedicated
Although I do spend 10 hours a day on study on occasion - I certainly wouldn't spend that long on DL! (30 lessons in Hungarian can take 10-15 hours in some parts of the tree - I don't use the word bank but I am working on C1 offsite)
"250-300xp a day is totally doable in any language" How many hours do you spend a day on DuoLingo? That's about five days worth for me, trying to fit around everything else I have to do.
Seems reasonable - place all single language learners together.
(Those learning multiple language could find themselves in one of a multitude of leagues).
While I can see how people want to be grouped together by language, there is still such a wide range of ability and level within the one language, even while working on the exact same lessons or reading the same stories.
As you can see, I enjoy studying a variety of languages. I do not plan to be fluent in every single one, but I want to have enough general knowledge in each to be able to recognize them minimally and pick up on the context at least. When I am maxed out studying one, I might turn to another one to relax my brain. On any given week, I might even try a completely new language; I do not plan this ahead of time, it is whatever happens to have meaning to me that particular day.
Like someone else said, if you are really serious about becoming fluent, you would pick some other app. For one thing, what is grossly missing in Duolingo beginning lessons is a thorough introduction to the alphabet / characters. This slows down one's path to fluency because this method is meant as a game, not to build a solid foundation.
Adding to what chocochipkookie says, I'm doing Spanish from English and Spanish from French. Spanish-from-English has stories, Spanish-from-French does not. I would have to be in two separate leagues, learning the same language? That's a bit silly, isn't it?
nope.. it would be fairer to others if you had to choose what language to be in leagues and if we were all put against others actually learning the same language. (or if it separated your XP according it to language and put you in two different leagues) .
How is it at all fair when someone doing only French to Spanish which has no stories is put against you doing two languages to pick from and who is doing stories.
If you guys complain too much about stories, Duo admin will take them out of the mix so the XP you earn from them doesn't count. Then there will be an uproar of dissatisfied users... but no reversions... they never go back on their decisions.
Stories are good, some languages don't have them, they should keep them, and add Stories to languages that don't have them, if they can, which i think they can.
Italian doesn't have them, and I have sent in an application asking them to let me contribute as a volunteer (I am bilingual English/Italian). Let's see if they ever get back to me.
Maybe they could reduce the points. They did that earlier this year with the number of points for testing out. It's much easier to earn points with stories than with higher level lessons.
I don't really agree. A story does take awhile to read, and you earn around 25-35 XP. Even a higher-level lesson doesn't take that much time, and if you are careful you get 15 XP with the bonus. So the advantage is not all that great.
I seem to remember a post where someone had analysed all the courses as to how many content they contained. Some courses had a lot more content than others and I don't think it was related to the length of the tree, but rather the amount of content per lesson. The Hebrew tree was content heavy, that I remember. That would mean that certain courses are much harder to progress in, than others.
But the tree looks shorter than say for instance German. From the numbers below off Duome you can see Hebrew has more words than the other languages. It is also a harder language. I will add, each adverb and adjective has gender unlike other languages, I've studied. Perhaps that adds to the words?
This is mine for Hebrew. I am level 17 and do a lot of practice:
Crowns: 93/420 [French 782]
22% complete · 242 sessions to L1 tree · 165 days to go
Skills: 39/84 [French 156]
Lessons: 204/446 [French 741]
Lexemes: 1282/2833 [French 4906]
1273/2676 words [French 1913]
You discovered 45% of available words/lexemes
German: Level 10 · 317/2126 words
French: Level 9 · 62/1913 words
Spanish: Level 8 · 304/2115 words
Italian: Level 6 · 237/1808 words [Poor Italian! No wonder people want a new tree!]
Russian: Level 6 · 245/2109 words
Chinese: Level 3 · 59/1739 words
Japanese: Level 3 · 61/1090 words
Korean: Level 2 · 62/1708 words
Swahili: Level 2 · 42/1205 words
Greek: Level 2 · 63/1949 words
Portuguese: Level 2 · 20/2000 words
I don't think it's fair for someone who's learning Indonesian (one of the shorter trees on Duolingo) to be competing with someone learning Chinese (a language with many differences including different characters to English). I totally agree. The length of the tree can make a huge difference when it comes to leagues.
yeah so if someone with easy content might be promoted and the ones with harder content couldn't
I had thought these Leagues were stressful until I witnessed how it totally transformed my son's motivation level. He was rarely doing any lessons until this week when he found himself in a League. To him, it was like earning points in a video game, only this one actually looked achievable to reach #1, so he got working from #22 all the way up to #1 in one evening, kept up with it and dropped #3 at the finish line.
I believe this is exactly what Duolingo is trying to achieve: getting people to do lessons they otherwise would simply put off. It is the whole point of Daily Goals and maintaining Streaks: 10 minutes/day is more effective learning than 20 minutes every other day.
"Reverse tree" from the target language might sound easier, but no, you still have to translate both ways. I am learning English from Thai, since Duolingo does not have Thai from English. Thai was my first spoken language but English was my first written language; I am terrible at spelling in Thai, but I have no problem with spelling in English. I am fluent in both languages, but they are so structurally different that the translations are quite cumbersome, especially when it doesn't sound the way a real person would talk. Then, typing in Thai... ... 555 (=hahaha) What I enjoyed most were those Club exercises where I could share some idioms and humor in English for the Thais to learn.
It's supposed to be fun? If you don't like the league you are in, just wait a week. Ya'll talking about leagues like you're going to get $$$ docked from your paycheck if you don't place high enough.
Yeah I agree I’m learning German and only German but I’m competing against people who are not learning at all or who are doing more than one language. I personally think they should do the leagues like this, leagues for people who are learning one language, and leagues for people learning multiple languages. Or something like that so it’s a bit more fair.
Honestly I think they should make the leagues an option for those who do want to participate. I'm doing seven languages plus I'm busy with my life, so having to work so much just to make sure my position is secure in a league tends to stress me out. I started out getting lots of points every week but the pressure of leagues demands more than I'm able to give some weeks.
I agree, Right now I have about 900 XP sense the new league... and I'm learning Spanish & Japanese, Really trying to work on Japanese ((to get Spanish and Japanese even in xp)) And in 1st place there is an English learner... and they have about 3500 XP... Duolingo, Please make it so Leagues are language assorted!
I absolutely agree! You lose motivation when you see the top 3 have nearly 3000xp only after 48 hours. Unless I quit my job and work full time on Duolingo, there is no hope of me competing with these scores.
I, for one, was happy with the clubs. There was a leaderboard and we competed against people who were more than a name. The clubs not only gave people to compete against, but it was a place to CONVERSE in the language we are learning. And conversing is the whole point. I would have to think about how to say what I wanted to say, and actually work on using the language. Not to mention, a good club often would have a native speaker who was all too happy to answer questions. So, Duolingo took this valuable tool away from us in exchange for a list of name of people we don't know, don't care about, and who aren't even studying the same language. Why should I care of I beat some guy I don't know or interact with studying Armenian, while I study Italian? The clubs were a valuable tool that hooked you up with learners of your language and gave you an opportunity to use that language. Taking away clubs in favor of leagues is such a downgrade, I can't imagine what Duo was thinking.
As said by chocochipkookie, there are some users that study multiple languages during same week. It is not going to work that competition is divided across different languages for this types of users.
You could switch clubs when you switched languages before those were dropped. The clubs were more for language practice and getting to know people (which I preferred) vs. just competing.
Adding on to what you said, they should also divide it by your level in that language. For example, leagues for Spanish levels 12-14, French levels 20-23, etc. I think it's pretty unfair for someone who is at level 23 in Spanish to be competing with someone at level 5. This is because, from my experience, Duolingo lessons got more lengthy as I leveled up. When you first start, the lesson only asks around 7 questions, but the number of questions only increases as you level up. Thus, beginners can easily grind XP in a short amount of time while it would take longer for someone of a higher level to complete a lesson. By implementing these features, I believe it would solve a lot of the flaws in the leagues.
I don't see how this would work with multiple language learners. Perhaps you can adjust your primary language in leagues.
A good point for this idea, is that there are hard and easy languages. I could race through lessons in Romance languages, while studying Hebrew is work!
You could be in lots of different leagues and try to be top in all of them at once :-) (or maybe not...)
I agree. I didn’t realize this issue until tonight. I was trying to fly below the radar of the person in the #8 spot and wait to pass them until I’d be able to have several lessons in one sitting. Since you may get a heads up if someone passes you (I know you can get those at least for people passing you in your personal leaderboard), I wanted to hold back, just in case. But I learned a French lesson and instantly passed the person who had been #8. Since I usually only work on Spanish, I had no idea a lot of people on the board weren’t Spanish learners at all.
It would feel more apropros if your league members, opponents, were learning the same language. But this way, it feels more ransom. “Can you play more lessons than this random person?” I’m not a fan.
Then again, I was in an active group, so I’m still upset that was removed and this took its place. Getting information from people with a lot of experience who played every day and I had built a rapport with has way more meaning than this league situation, and it had its own leaderboard of people who actually worked on the same language! We were really active and the group was moderated so that members who didn’t use the app or contribute weren’t a part of it. It was really useful. This random group of 50 players is just... such a weak replacement.
And you don’t even get any kind of achievement. At least if there were achievements, it would feel like working toward something. It’s just a bad idea that was implemented really poorly. Doing almost anything else would be better than what they chose to do.
The stories are not time-efficient for grinding xp. Many people that get a suspiciously high amount of xp in short time are using an exploit. This exploit works in any language, so before changing anything about the leagues, the loophole should be fixed. Yet I see the danger that the measures fixing it could also cause users with a slow connection have their legit lesson not count. Personally I find the leagues way too meaningless to support any changes about them. There are plenty of other things I'd prefer Duo to invest their work hours into.
For example adding stories to languages which don't have any.
I really cannot understand what would be the difference with a club if it would be so. A club was a special place for group learning. It could be active or non active. You could change it anytime you want. You could compete others and moreover send them messages. You ...
Alright I am competing some names in a list now. The first one is studying almost the same as mine. The second one is studying English from Russian that most likely is his native language. The third one mainly French. They are good and have got more than 1000 XPs so far and it is Tuesday in my country. I cannot tell them a word even though I would like to send a good day from my country. Pity! We have something common, but I don't speak Russian as the second one, maybe it would be my next tree, who knows? But that it makes me upset is that I cannot communicate with anybody!
I had created a petition more than one month ago to save and keep the clubs. It is still open:
There are almost 2500 who signed so far. It is something. I am going to close it soon. It is our protest because we actually lost our friends You could sign if you agree, it is free.
I was going to suggest the same, I too am learning Japanese, whilst learning a language is difficult, the challenge should be for the same language, not comparing chalk and cheese.
There are stories available for English learners? From which languages? Because I don't have any stories available in my English from Spanish course (which I use to get additional practice in Spanish).
My guess is more that they are getting that many points with other methods rather than just doing a lot of stories.
That said, I don't really care against learners of which languages I compete in the leagues, as long I don't get limited to people with the exact same mix of languages I'm learning. A option to opt into a league of a certain language (maybe even limited to counting only the points earned in that language) sounds like a nice idea (all the people who don't click that option get the mixed leagues like they are now). It might also be interesting if people could be in several leagues at once (for several languages), but I doubt duolingo will do that (due to server space and all that).
Zia. I think many of the high ranked English ones are doing reverse trees, so have already studied a language right through and now doing the tree for their own language from the one they have already studied and completed here. hence scoring far easier XP.
They may not be doing this necessarily to get an unfair over others advantage as many have always done reverse trees but it does give them a very unfair advantage over someone learning for the first time here who has not done a tree yet.
I've always planned to do the reserves tree before leagues came in.. German to English once I've finished my German trees and I expect I'll be in the top league when I do this.
The leagues have got so many flaws with how it works points wise that I can't even see how duolingo would make this fully fair.
Should a person doing their own language tree be completing with others who aren't?
Should a person who has already completed a tree all the way through and chooses to redo the whole thing be competing against someone who has never done that tree before?
Should different languages be competing against one another?
Many of the high ranked users doing English on the leagues I've been in have names that suggest that they are probably not doing the English tree as a reverse tree (though I know that can be deceptive). And the term "only learning English" rankled me a bit, because I've seen people really struggling to learn English.
The question about which English courses have stories wasn't just rhetoric, since I know someone who teaches English and could use some duolingo stories as practice for the students occasionally.
Personally, I'm not much faster in my reverse tree (Spanish -> English) than I am when doing it the other way round. I take care to write down new vocabulary and try to limit the things that won't help me with Spanish (no listening exercises, for example). I type out the sentences rather than using the word bank. I don't read all the sentence discussions like some people suggest users should when doing the reverse trees, but I do look at some discussions each time.
I completely agree that the question of how comparable the leagues are will always be difficult. I think it will never be 100% fair, but I do think people would be happier if the leagues were a bit more customizable.
I totally agree why are native Spanish speakers scoring points in Spanish league where I’m learning the the language from English
Native Spanish speakers learning Spanish are probably doing a "reverse tree" from their target language. This is a way of getting lots of additional practice, probably exposure to more vocabulary, and more practice translating into your target language than you get just doing the regular tree.
If you search "reverse tree," you will find that people have been using this learning tool since long before leagues were so much as a twinkle in anyone´s eye.
Thanks for the info I am aware of that already. I myself have done it in the past but since we have been placed on theses ridiculous leagues I feel it only fare not to participate in the reverse practice too bad others aren’t as considerate.
Oddly enough, some of us think our own learning goals are more important than artificial restraints related to a league we didn't ask to be in.
I change between Spanish for Germans to reverse tree whenever I reach the next level. Sometimes I find the reverse tree more difficult because there are more translations into Spanish with more chances for errors in Spanish. That is why I do it. Leagues do not effect my learning, I try to ignore them.
"Leagues do not effect my learning, I try to ignore them."
Not the reaction to 'the next big thing' Duolingo were hoping for?
That is unfair to say that those who are doing reverse trees should not be as they do them to help cement their language learning and we are here to learn languages, not to compete in leagues. If it's helping people learn a language they should not be judged for it.
It's interesting to see that duolingo has set up a system in which as your post shows, now is causing people who are focused on their language learning to be getting judged negatively for being in the leagues.
What is unfair is not that they want to do reverse trees and are doing them, but that duolingo has gone and put everyone doing all different things together and has no opt out for anyone. Those doing reverse trees may not even want to be in leagues and may be like me and not opting out due to we have friends we follow and who follow us before all this league stuff happened who we will be blocked from us if we opt out of the leagues.
So I guess now I'll have to put up with knowing that people like yourself will be angry at me when I choose to do the reverse tree German to English . when I finish my German course and end up very high in the leagues due to that. I hope they will be able to get awareness that many of us do not even want to be in the leagues.. we are here to just learn language and practice it. Though i guess that does not help the feelings of the beginner who is trying so hard in leagues but against someone doing reverse tree.
Duolingo.. you NEED to introduce an opt out option which does not affect others includng our friends from being able to see us if we opt out of leagues. I dont want to be being negatively judged when I do the reverse tree.
As a general point Duolingo has never been good at allowing users to choose whether to permanently embrace new features or to put them back on the shelf after trying.
Speaking as someone who has done/is doing a reverse tree, I wouldn't be so confident that you'll fly through it at a rapid pace.
I totally agree. I am studying Irish and when I looked at the profiles of others in my league, many were not even studying the same language. Makes the competition useless.
Leagues sorta' falls apart when you get to ruby. The only motivation is just not to drop out. Won't everyone eventually end up in ruby given the asymmetry? (more rise up a league than drop, and there's nowhere to go up from ruby)
A league where you can't drop out once you get there would be nice. You have to wait one week until you can go up. That takes incredibly long, in my opinion.
But you are right. If the leagues atleast would provide some kinds of bonuses. Atleast fashion bonuses... (Like a ring around your pb which indicates which rank you are or that you atleast once stayed in the ruby league...)
Yes it is definately not fair when some with some languages can get points in ways others can't.
I like competing against the other learners though. My biggest competitor in Silver League is learning English from Portuguese, and I'm learning Portuguese from English. I think it's fun that she is struggling with mine while I'm struggling with hers, and we're both trying to beat each other at it. :)
But I can see your point too. Maybe they could make it optional that you can select to be in a league only with your language, or just in the general league?
Yay Duolingo! It's awesome!
I find it curious that some people in my league, within about 1-2 hours of the weeks starting, have hundred of points...even over 1,000. How do they get so many points so fast?
From my own experience doing lessons and stories as fast as I can, there is no way that someone can do near a hundred lessons (or 50+ stories) in an hour.
I think the 'league' system is broken.
Yes, this. It takes me around five minutes to do a Spanish lesson (three if I hurry). That means I might be able to do 12 lessons an hour (or up to 20 lessons if I can keep up the pace). If I get 15 XP each time (which I don't), that would mean about 180 XP per hour (assuming I can remain concentrated that long without taking breaks; or up to 300 XP at the faster pace). Timed practice or stories will get more, but I doubt 1000 XP in an hour would be possible without some way of cheating/playing the system.
I am fluent in English and semi-fluent in Spanish (I'm in a sense bad at producing Spanish but I understand it 100% since my native language is Portuguese, I'm not interested in improving my Spanish right now and I doubt Duolingo would help me with it), I'm sure I could do around 30-45 in an hour without a lot of effort, drive or attention. With those elements, I can do the same amount in French, Italian, Esperanto, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Indonesian, languages that come easily to me.
So you are saying that these people are not actually learning a language, but merely 'points farming' from a language they already know, just to top the leaderboards?
It is quite possible. It is also quite possible that we do that to a language that is simple enough to us.
I had assumed when I first saw the league feature that it was language specific, but apparently it is indiscriminate. I'm not sure why they would do it that way.
Not to be rude, but who cares what other people are achieving, or how? You're here, presumably, to learn/master new languages. You can't begin to compare your progress in one particular language with some total stranger's - probably in a different language altogether and at a different level.
I came top of my ruby league last week. I received 20 lingots, which we all know are useless as there's bugger all to spend them on, and remain in the ruby league. It's not much of an incentive is it?!?
It costs 5 Lingots to test out on Android app, so yes, Lingots can be useful for folks like me in that predicament.
Yes! That's what I've been thinking too. Everybody in the leagues are learning English with an exception of a few and it annoys me that we are all in the same category
English speakers doing the English tree as a reverse tree for a language they've already completed here. This would enable them to move real fast through it.
It can't be fair for anyone who has not gone through the tree yet against those who have and now doing a reverse tree. There should something here preventing those doing a tree in their native language of using those points in the leagues.
The whole leagues thing is so flawed. This is esp why people should be able to opt out without having to block also being seen by friends and others here.
Your comment assumes those doing the reverse tree only start to do so after they have finished the tree of the language that they are learning. No so in my case. The courses do not mirror each other, and in Spanish the phrases and language use is different on the reverse. I actually find the reverse at the moment harder. I try not to follow the leagues and just concentrate on what I am trying to learn.
I'm not sure what the situation is since the latest upgrade, but the upper levels of the reverse Spanish tree were actually much harder than almost anything on the English to Spanish tree.
obviously the more languages you learn the higher chances you have to be better in the leagues, but that become real annyoing...
Why? Only if all your languages were easy ones and you stayed at the top of the tree.
cause people do reverse trees so they have already studied or know the languages, how can that not have them scoring better then someone learning it for first time. Hence the more languages you know, the better you can be in leagues.
They should block people from scoring in leagues with the language they joined the website in (their native one)
I've tried the Hungarian reverse tree - it isn't that easy! Reverse trees are not just the same lessons the other way around. They are completely different courses with different vocab, idioms, even grammar.
I found the material in the last 24 units of the reverse tree harder than almost anything in the English to Spanish tree. (I'm not sure if that's still true - following the most recent upgrades I don't feel as knowledgeable about the structure of either tree.)
@Judit294350 What I meant in my comment was if People set themselves a daily objective for example get 30 XP or 50 XP per language, the ones that learn like 5 languages will always be ahead... Correct me if i am wrong, but this league system is for one individual language or more?
I am sorry, but I don't get your point. People with more languages also have to practise the same amount of time like the ones with only one or slightly more languages.
All language excercises give the same amount of exp and are aprox. the same length. If I want to stay ahead and have many languages to study, then I could do 1 excercise in each language (aprox. 6 in total). That's the same amount of exp and the same amount of time needed for every other person with less languages to study, as they can also just take 6 lessons/excercises.
What is more meaningful would be a ranking system which matches the people with the aprox. same level in the language they prefer (or in total). (as lessons normaly get a bit longer the higher you get in your tree).
Don't get me wrong, I want many of the changes announced in the comments here. But I just don't get your point as it doesn't seem fitting to the facts I know...
You set an XP goal for the whole pf your study - not per language. So someone doing 5 languages with a goal of 30XP only has to do 30XP total - not 150XP.
But if I want to do 30XP a day, I can spend either over an hour on Hungarian - or less than 10 minutes on French.
There's nothing to stop people doing only one language of giving themselves a daily goal of 150 xp.
Replying to Maximilian_GB. Agree about much of that, except that although most courses I've looked at have questions of a similar length, that's not the case for all. If you look at a typical Hungarian question from a little way down the tree, you will find sentences that are incredibly long and complicated. Although I have a prior knowledge of Hungarian, each question in it takes a good deal longer than in most of the other languages I'm doing- just because they are trying to teach a zillion things at once, as opposed to a couple.
Exactly. That's the same I thought when people talked about going incognito just to not be in the league. ;D
It's impossible to opt out of leagues without consequence. What possible good to anyone is thrusting a league in front of a user who wants no part of them?
You should be able to pick up to two leagues for different languages while currently, I am only focusing on french, I do wish I was only competing with my french learners. This is a great idea and I think Duolingo should consider it!
Yes, I believe that streaks and leagues should be language specific for example, if I'm learning Spanish and Italian, I will have 2 leagues and streaks.
The old clubs where everyone in them was learning the same language was a much better system.
I agree, although, I am learning German and already have stories but im thinking about learning Japanese, so this is a good idea. I hope Duolingo adds stories for Japanese soon.
I definitely agree; I too love the leagues but still feel like they should be language-specific, switching out as we too switch to different languages. Here on Duolingo I'm a learner of multiple languages, and it really does make it too easy to hoard XP at the top of the leaderboard: not just because of Stories (which I just now discovered!!), but because there's a learning curve. Someone like you who's practicing only Japanese, is likely further along and getting harder content than the early-on / beginner level 3 checkpoints I'm passing in 3 - 4 different fields right now.
I also feel like the way it is now, all combined, actually incentivises me to focus on quick progress in languages I'm more familiar with to maintain a presence on the leaderboard, instead of a more balanced learning approach. For example, plowing through dozens of exercises a day in Spanish, but only truly working on languages with different alphabets 1x a week. (Which is a bad thing: fluency is my goal, not vanity metrics.) Being able to check the leaderboard individually on each language would fix that pretty effectively, though for people with more than 3 - 4 languages it might also get incredibly overwhelming!
For once I will have to defend the main site. If you alternate the languages you're studying right before you're about to join a new league, you'll notice that the algorithm will mostly place you alongside people who you would be able to compete with at a relatively even level. It is easier if I pick learn Hawaiian from English (a course I've struggled to maintain a streak) or German from French (a course I just began), but much more competitive if I picked English from Portuguese (a tree I've already conquered), or French from English (a course I have a history of sliding through like butter - because Spanish, Catalan, Italian, French and Esperanto essentially feel like dialects of my native language to me). I can say as much because I'm in the Ruby League and I've been alternating a lot.
Another thing that might be helpful: competition evened out for learning levels. It seems like the people at the top of the leagues tend to have low XP numbers, which makes me wonder if they're working at the tops of their trees where sentences are shorter and thus skills and XP tend to accumulate faster. One approach to all of these problems could be to award XP relative to content. Just as there's the Combo Bonus after each skill, perhaps there could be a "complexity" bonus for skills with longer sentences.
Leagues should definitely be language specific. I'm learning Hebrew and only want to compare and connect with others who are doing the same as me.
I'm studying Japanese, too, and it would be so much easier to work in romaji at the beginning, until you get a feel for things. Also, it's too bad there are no listening/speaking exercises. Why not? I need to practice that, too!
Best chart I have seen online: (click on Imotoyouko's Hiragana Chart) https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/hiragana-chart/
Memorize 5 at a time (vertical), right to left. Once you are fairly secure with that, then corresponding Katakana will be much easier to remember. If you already managed to memorize them all through Duolingo random method, wow, you are amazing!
I agree with you 100%. I'm also doing the Japanese course and am noticing the exact same issue. In fact, I'm the only person out of the 50 in this week's group that is even doing Japanese. I've noticed that English seems to be the top ranking players for the week as well. Some of them I've seen on the discussions speaking fluent English much too advanced to have just learned English through Duo. It would be nice to have each language put into their own language category. Duo could make new achievements to go along with it (since, let's face it, most of us got the majority of the available achievements in the first 30 days of signing up- those aren't really achievements more than they are of just things that happen- it's like handing out rewards for mediocrity). ......But... if they add achievements such as "Rank #1 in three separate languages" or "Rank within the top 10 in five languages", it would level the playing field per weekly group as well as give incentives to spend more time on Duo each week to aspiring polyglots.
Rather than leveling some playing field, I would just like a system that promotes effective language learning. For example, I think Duolingo should have British English from American English, and vice versa, for those studying English to get completely immersed. A lot of people sound advanced, but there are tell-tale signs in simple grammar, sentence structure, pronunciation, rhythm of speech. Babbel has studied this issue and are developing an English-only model, while Duolingo has to be committed to dual language because of their name.
Yes I agree. I am learning Italian and considering learning English from Italian but not sure I really want to take it on if it means I have to use American spelling/terms rather than British English or what we here call The Queen's English.
Although Duolingo uses American English, it is usually pretty good about recognizing words from other major regional variants. If the system fails to recognize a sentence translation that you think is correct, report it, using the button on the lower left, after you answer the question. If the moderators agree, they will (eventually) add your translation to the list of alternate answers.
In your honour, I will start saying "aluminium foil" and see how many people notice ("Ngah, foreign-born, can't speak English.") I am otherwise a regular Yankee by education abroad, except for 6th Grade English with a British teacher who instilled in us a love for Tennyson's poems. Imagine "The Eagle" recited in American English -- how many would enunciate "clasps" and "azure" distinctly?
I have barely done any Duolingo speaking exercises. Maybe Duo should give out big XP rewards for perfect pronunciation to level the playing field in the Leagues. hehe
I really believe Leagues should be for people studying the same language, and it's not. It's a RIDICULOUS system. I'm going to drop out.
I would like better if Duolingo introduced a match feature, where learners play against each other. Leagues would be created for each language and standings would be based on the win/lose ratio. Every player would play a match against opponent of a similar level in that language.
On one hand I support that idea, but on the other hand I don't like the 1o1. Yes, a match feature which contains the approx. level of the language and the language itself would be the best in my oppinion, but the 1o1 is too competetive. Your own learning goal will vanish, i persume... (Just guessing you meant 1o1, it atleast sounded like it. Correct me if I understood that wrong.)
Yes, 1on1 is more competitive but it doesn't necesarily mean that your language learning will suffer from it. It would be a lot more interesting than what we now have, and at the same time could be a way to test our knowledge. Also there could be a limited number of matches per day or players would have to pay lingots in order to play.
i agree as well ...this way someone may start a language they are fluent in and might not give other persons a chance to win
Yes please I've been thinking this as well, certain languages are much easier to learn, and because so it pushes those people far ahead in the leagues.
I think that they should do this for the people learning one language, but people learning multiple languages should be put in leagues with others learning maybe multiple languages, or maybe just the league for the language they are learning the most.
I agree that different languages should not be mashed together all on one board. It is true that stories are not available for all and this is unfair. We cannot communicate with each other and help one another learn when the whole world is mixed on one board. I would like it if we went back to Clubs and seperate leaderboards. It is more fair and fun this way. I don't know why they came up with the idea of putting all Ianguages together. I am earning less XP than before as I am not being encouraged by peers.
I agree, it would make much more sense to compare XP earned from the same courses.
Since some people are learning multiple languages, they could make it so that everyone placed in your league is also learning at least one of the languages you study.
Another suggestion would be to more heavily weight more difficult lessons (those farther down in the tree). At the moment, I could earn 10-15XP in a minute or two by doing an easy intro lesson, or 10-15XP in 10-20minutes doing harder lessons mid-way through the tree. That incentivizes people against progressing in their lessons just to earn more points, which is counter to the whole point of the program.
I agree. Some languages are harder to learn than others, so everyone should have an equal shot at winning while participating in leagues by competing against people learning the same language.
What about 2 kind of leagues. One for those who learn at least one language where also Storys are avalible, and one for those who learn only (a) language(s) which don't have Storys...
It would also be interesting to see how percentages would go at the end of the week. Like if someone improved their accuracy by a certain amount in comparison to the rest then they'd get a few lingots too. It might be another helpful thing to incentivize. But I do agree with OP that leagues should be specific to languages.
I love the leagues! I just use Duolingo on the work so it's hard to be on the first place but still a good option to motivate ppl. Have a great day guys =)
I totally agree I feel it would be better if people compete against each other in the same language they're learning
I agree, the fact that some courses are more expanded than others creates an unfair advantage or disadvantage to the user.
AGREED!!! It seams the English learners are always speeding ahead. I also noticed the Portuguese gives you lives, which means you get so many wrong and you can't continue. This is unfair to someone trying to get ahead in a league and can't because they're out of lives.
Oh, yes, the experience you get from doing stories (in German, at least) is indeed counted in the leagues.
I think this is a good idea. If you're learning more than one language you can select one to be your primary and participate in that league.
Wow, you're right about the stories! I hadn't done any Spanish stories in awhile. Just knocked out a few and quickly scored around 100 points, which caused me to shoot up the ranks of my league. I think the leagues would seem a lot more fair if Duolingo would re-evaluate how they award relative XP throughout the site. Stories seem to get a lot of XP relative to Skills. Skills with shorter sentences get the same XP as skills with longer sentences, which doesn't seem right given the extra typing/typos involved in longer sentences. I'm not working on any language pairs that require alphabet switching, but that may be something to consider too. I realize that some people like leagues and some people don't, but either way it seems like the playing field could use some leveling.
RadicalKen I am learning up to 8 languages. I try to practice at least 4 or five of them everyday. I am retired, I have the time to practice. Some of them have stories and some do not. If there were leagues for each individual language I would not be able to compete in the leagues. I think they are fun and sometimes I look to see who I need to beat. It's not serious to me but having the time to practice means that I accrue a lot of points. Another way of accruing points, apart from the stories, are the 'test out skills' they are good to see how one is progressing or not as the case may be.
I agree, also some languages have a bigger learning curve than others, for example I was taking the French corse, which was easy given that I am taking French at school. I than started the Chinese course and it took me a long time to complete the first level of the third section because of how different English and Chinese are.
I agree, I am in a league where almost everyone else is studying English. I am solely learning French.
I think leagues is NOT a good idea. I've said it before. I've said that those competing in leagues should be studying the same language. So tonight I wanted to prove my point. I study Irish, which is a difficult language and takes a lot of practice and study. I started the day out at number 30 on the League list. So I went into my Italian course and did lessons and within an hour I was at number 5. There's something seriously wrong with this system. Make the Leagues LANGUAGE SPECIFIC! Or come come up with a new system.
What if you learn more than one language? What if there are not enough active users for a competitive league in languages like Navajo? What if you constantly switch between languages?
Then you could have a league where you compete in total XP gained I guess.
I answered previously, and I still think languages and leagues should be separate (so those who want it can have more accurate competition) but just a note on the stories!
It really seems to me like the XP gotten from Stories are only counted in the Language Total, and your daily goal, NOT the leaderboard.
At the beginning of the week, the first "lessons" I did were Spanish Stories, but the leaderboard DID NOT list me until I did one of the normal modules.
I've also noticed that while I've been doing mostly stories all week, and spending roughly the same amount of time on Duolingo, my Leaderboard Score is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER than any previous week I've been active. (~300XP compared with last weeks ~4,000XP). Maybe someone else has had this experience, or knows more?
I don't see the need to separate by language but the system should take into account the difficulty of the modules and reward people for trying to challenge themselves. I'm ok with granting credit for stories, but the current system gives too much credit relative to what is given for lessons.
I didn't even know this was a thing, since I'm learning a language that doesn't yet have Stories.
Yes, I agree. A league for each language would be ideal. That way I would know who is studying the same language as I am. I am studying Swahili. I have no idea if anyone else in my league is studying Swahili or not. Am guessing most are not!
I have no idea what "stories" are. I don't think this feature is available for Swahili either.
Doesn't work well for those of us that are working on several languages at once.
Is there any way to get out of leagues other than making your profile private? I find them to be unbelievably stupid and pointless. We are trying to learn languages, not mindlessly compete against a bunch of anonymous, random people who may have very different goals. I see no way to disable leagues in the settings. It is funny how DL says that "heart health" is meant to keep you from learning too much, too quickly, and then uses "leagues" for the exact opposite purpose.
Well, if you disable notifications for leagues then you can pretty much just ignore them...
It is not a great idea. I am fluent in Spanish and can easily test out of almost any level. Beginners in Spanish can sometimes get 15 points for just seven easy questions. Both are advantageous, but they are apples and oranges.
if you are fluent in spanish then don't add spanish course. i thought it was obvious but i guess i underestimated some people's mind powers.
and I thought it would be obvious that if you want to learn a language, you'd want to know it front to back and back to front Change your language to what you're learning and answer in your lingua franca. Each language has different questions/stories, so yeah..... you're getting a lot more out of Duolingo opposed to someone trying to learn a language from only one direction..... but I would think THAT would be obvious.
Ohhh... So that's why one person seems to have 2 hours more time than I do on duolingo. She actually doesn't.
Leagues should be abolished for everyone except those insecure people who have a need to compete pointlessly against a group of random strangers.
For secure people, the leagues are just bit of harmless fun and maybe a bit of extra motivation to keep up the good work.
The REALLY insecure people are the ones who say the leagues are pointless or meaningless, BUT get so upset about them that they want them abolished!
Are people who cheer for sports teams or practice them also insecure in your perception?
Yup. They suck at their own lives so they have to pretend the achievements of other people are somehow their own. Lol...sports fans.....
No, this a good idea. The way the system is set up now, it's like being in the Olympics as a swimmer and you're competing against an equestrian. That makes no sense.
Either that, or you are a human competing against a frickin' motor boat, as the lover levels can grind exp easier xD
well how's that meant to add a persons learning well if they only work on easy things for points. This goes against what people come here to do, being to really work at learning a language. The thing is just becoming a game with less care on what people are actually doing with learning.
I am a competitive person so seeing low ranks is bothering me but I dont want to sacrifice my learning just for points. That's why I want to opt out.
The leagues are very bad for my learning, making me want to rush through my lessons rather than really focusing on them eg practicing my pronoucinations and not moving onto the next to I say things right, I also do things like look up genders of things if I don't know them etc so I'm slow going through my lessons if I'm truely learning orientated and not trying to rush through "just for points"
"The leagues are very bad for my learning, making me want to rush through my lessons"
I've slowed down without any sort of competition. I don't think it a bad thing in language learning to make time to read, understand, absorb, learn and revise.