Don't let other people bother you.
We often get hung up on other peoples' scores. The only one we should be trying to beat is ourselves. If we don't try hard enough, or if we give up, we are only letting our insecurities win. It is fine to be competitive, but not if it keeps you from learning. Don't worry about the leagues, just disable them if you are worried it might affect you negatively. If you need more practice than Duo, don't be afraid to ask someone who speaks the language you want to speak. It is not about other people, it is about you wanting to learn to communicate with people more. On top of that, make sure you have fun; don't let learning be boring. --friendly neighborhood GATO_en_MI_casa
It's interesting that for all Duolingo's efforts in induce us to love the new kid on the block leagues we are remined that learning is actually a solitary activity.
A whole class can be taught; only an individual can learn. Buckle down.
Wise words. I agree wholeheartedly (i've had experience with that sort of thing at school)
not just on this site, but in all of your life, in everything that you do. free yourself from judging yourself based on what others think. it leads to insecurity and fearfulness. free yourself. if you can train yourself to do this, youll find it quite liberating.
I has taken me so long to learn this wisdom, and it is still hard to do. One reason is that you WANT to use jealousy for good purpose, to motivate effort. But it is such a greedy emotion and it takes over too much and invades into other arenas, and gets personal rather than goal oriented so easily. It's a constant thoughtful effort of reflection as to motive to keep it in check.
The leagues and gamification are good at times, but it has to be easy to opt out and back into them.
I totally agree with you.
I think that 'competition' of this sort should simply be about each person pushing themselves to be the best THEY can be, and being better for the experience. Use the extreme performances of your peers to motivate rather than self measure.
Here's my real life analogy. It's summer. I LOVE taking my old mountain bike for long rides around the lakes. Inevtitably someone zooms past me on an expensive road bike. My competitive juices kick in, and I go racing after them trying to keep up. Most times they don't notice me. Sometimes I catch them and past them, and I silently celebrate like a kid inside. But most times they gradually pull away and leave me and my old bike behind. I slow down, apologize to my screaming thighs, and wait for the next road bike to come along. I know, it's silly!
I love to compete but not for ego. For me it's just about accepting whatever inspiration life gives me to work a little harder, or demand a little more from myself. And even when I lose (and I lose these 'races' a LOT...lol), I REALLY win because I always end up being better for the experience.
Those folks with three times my weekly XP represent people on road bikes for me. They're freaking fast!! I'm gonna chase them, and most times I'm not gonna catch them. But please I want them to know that the pace they're setting is making me better. And maybe, just maybe, at some point I just might catch them!
For those who don't like chasing road bikes like I do, ignore the XP's (Xtreme Performers - ha) and just enjoy the ride!!
Same here, and i found your thoughts to be perfectly coherent and understandable. I'm like you, i do enjoy being "pushed". I perform very well under pressure. I made it to ruby and as long as I'm in the top 45 I'm happy. For me, not for, or because of, anyone else. No one in my league, and no one on these forums, knows me, that I'm aware of, so I'll just look at the "good" side of this app, and this website.
If you could break this up into paragraphs it'd do wonders for readability.
Hey Justin - I appreciate the critical feedback. And you're right in your assessment. I considered spacing the paragraphs as I wrote, but for some silly reason I didn't think the spaces would save when I posted. But I genuinely welcome critical feedback, so thank you!
Hello, I know this is not related to the topic but holy crap that streak! Great job on that! :)
Thank you so much, a 17 day streak is great too. Sorry about the long response time, it was a very busy week and I am just now looking at the forums
I got to the ruby league, took a photo to prove it to my main competitor - my husband ;- ) - and then quit the leagues. I'm doing my daily duolingo and supplementing it by reading French kids' magazines.
LOL, I did too. I practice a lot, but don't even try to stay in the top 10 anymore. It's more about learning than competing.
I'm weirdly particular about wanting to stay in the sapphire league. Maybe because blue is my favourite colour, lol.
There is this story about the race where the turtle beats the rabbit. I agree with you.
Just for your/other's future reference, in English there are different words for these similar-looking creatures;
A turtle is the thing with a shell that mainly lives in water.
A tortoise is the thing with a shell that lives on land.
(Also, a hare is a creature similar to a rabbit, with bigger ears)
The fable you refer to is most commonly known in English as "The tortoise and the hare" :)
hehe I think I prefer the hedgehog version. Hedgehogs have more personality. :)
You'd be surprised how much personality a tortoise can have. I used to have one and he liked to sit on the couch with me and go for walks. I miss him.
Aw, I'm sorry. It's just that I've never had a tortoise so I didn't know.
I'm sorry for the loss of your beloved pal...I, unfortunately, know the feeling.
Yeah I am spanish and here it´s called "La liebre y la tortuga" instead of "El conejo y la tortuga" as I said in English. I knew I was probably wrong because of that, just had too many things in my mind. Thanks for the heads up.
I thought I knew English like the back of my hand, and yet I was unaware of the distinction. Thank and good luck with the Cymraeg :)
Hi Kate did you know that there is big difference between a toilet and a bathroom in English. You will soon find out if you ask someone if there is a bathroom in the building and they answer "no" when in fact there is a toilet (W.C) There are thousands of examples like this. In other words as George Bernard Shaw said "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language. "
In other languages too there is only one word for tortoise/turtle. I can't remember which languages. Sometimes they just add sea- or something to make the distinction.
I can't find it just now but there was a discussion about tortoise/turtle on here a while ago. :)
In German, there is also only one word (Schildkröte), you can add "Land-" or "See-". The same goes for French (tortue; tortue terreste; tortue marine).
Oh right, there's another one then.
We've been using żółw a fair bit in the Polish sentences, but I've only just noticed that that also means both turtle and tortoise. :)
Isn't American English one of those languages? In my experience, many Americans are unfamiliar with the word "tortoise".
Well, as a native American, i always, maybe wrongly, assume tortoise and turtle to be describing the same creature. In the USA if you say turtle or tortoise no one would know a difference. Both words mean the same thing here
"the turtle beats the " In other words most English people would not understand this. To the English a turtle is nothing like a tortoise. There are thousands of examples like this. I wonder if everyone knows this. Maybe no-one cares because the want to go to the USA.I wonder if Americans think we are being difficult about this.
I agree that it's silly to let other people bother you. I only wonder if some of them are bots, aka robots. Why? When I began Duolingo, I couldn't use "Nechama" because it was already taken as a name. I went with Nechama2. Now I notice that two handles--one on the silver level, and one on the gold level--are shared by several people. How is this? And both these handles came out of nowhere and did a huge number of expressions. Weird.
I wonder if these contests are Duolingo's way of seeing how hard people will try to win. And I've done a big rethink, now I suspect Duolingo uses bots in these contests. I'm just going to compete against myself.
And PLEASE people you have NO Idea what other people are doing.
I, for instance, am immobilized by health issues and I spend practically the entire day on DuoLing learning languages instead of going nuts.
So of COURSE my XP points are VERY HIGH. I'm on here for 12 hours a day!!!! Trust me. I would rather be going swimming, bicycling visiting, shopping or even doing housework.. BUT I CANT so please do NOT be getting discouraged on MY account.!!! I'd rather have mobility than a TON of XP points!!!!
So please, keep learning languages and forget about those darn XP points... You don't know what they REALLY mean!!
I'm very sorry you suffer. I suffer in different ways, and they greatly affect my everyday life as well. All of us who have posted aren't bothered that you and others have very high xp points on duolingo. These posts are simply a positive reassurance to others that it is ok to learn at your own pace, instead of feeling the need to do more because others do more. Xp points are simply just things you earn from doing a lesson. They mean nothing more. Yes, learn languages at your own pace, and not because you are pressured to. I think it is very wise of you to learn and take care of your mental state while you deal with difficult physical trails. You aren't alone in this suffering, so please don't be angered or put down because of what others say. I am sorry if any of us have offended you. We meant no harm in this. And also if you do need a friend or someone to talk to, you may always feel free to talk to me. I know way more than most people think I know, and I am really good at giving advice and making people feel loved. Also don't be afraid to ask for help. There are so many of us who would love to be your friend. I am glad you are open in sharing some of the struggles you go through. That is a huge step in recovering from anything.
Thanks for saying that. When I see that my closest "friend" in the league is 2000 points behind me I feel bad. I am afraid that he will be discouraged from continuing, because he doesn't realize that I am stuck here doing NOTHING ELSE! And that is SO NOT what I want. I want ALL of us to be able to speak many languages and so make the world a better place.
I like that. I believe that learning a language is a great start in making the world a better place. It allows for more communication, which can be for the greater good of the world.
Susan. My heart is with you. I hope you get back to 100%. I'm glad this site/app is here to intellectually stimulate you.
I have health issues too and the leagues are actually a harm to my health. I got sicker last week as being very competitive I did not rest when I should have been due to this stupid league thing which is so in ones face. I want to turn it off but do not want to lose my friends from being able to see me.. friends I had here before all this league stuff was put here.
Sorry if I'm upsetting anyone. I'm not a bot! I happen to have a lot of free time now, and will have no time at all in a few weeks. I have a German test just after that and I need to prep for it now as I'll forget loads in August. And if I only do German, my French goes to pot. Plus I'm doing what I do for me and actually don't care where that leaves me in the leagues. You should feel the same as, after all, you don't even know who I am, so why would you care if I'm above or below you on some random scoreboard? By the way, no-one who was "promoted" when I was in ANY level has ever appeared again so I suspect there are many "people" out there heading up different "views" of the boards. I think the names and scores are mostly random numbers and I may not even appear on your view.
If you are reading this later, just to let you know I read all the comments and they made me happy to think that I made someone else happy. Thank you, and sorry for the ads being posted here. I don't know why they are here and I can't really do anything about them.
I agree GATO. The leagues are interesting but could be a distraction if it is the primary focus. I enjoy DuoLingo and do lessons a little some days and do several lessons other days and is dependent on if I hit a stumbling block. I don’t mind slowing down the learning if it is necessary to fully grasp the content. I think the real proof in the pudding is the practical application and use of what I learn in the real world.
Agreed. This weekend listening to Spanish language tv shows I caught a lot.....that is the only validation I need.
Yes, that is so true. I just ignore the stuff about leagues and lingots. I find it just gets in the way and actually hinders my learning. That's the one thing I dislike about online learning. I used to love the site Khan Academy, until it got all into awards, etc. That being said, I'm glad Duolingo is here and is free!
I want to echo your comment and expand on it. I have done long trips on the highways. Once in a while it has been my pleasure to be passed by someone who is traveling at a similar speed. A complete stranger heading the same direction. They stay in sight and after a bit I speed up enough to pass them. I think leagues are like that. I would like to see them adjusted a bit. I was in clubs and it was very hard to get some friendly competition going. I felt bad easily beating people when I was trying to get my tree back to golden and the xp for testing out was high compared to the effort it took to test out. And I did not always work the same tree, so I was the one at zero in some of the clubs I joined for weeks at a time. Leagues are helping me break the test out as fast as possible habit.
I really like that analogy. I feel like weather or not a person like the leagues is all based on the person's personality and learning style. Since everyone is so different, it is hard to create a site that includes so many different learning styles for so many different personalities. Duolingo has a really good variety for a lot of learners. Some people like competition while some don't. I really like your way of thinking, that it doesn't really matter what place you are in the league, as long as you try to do your best you are satisfied with yourself. It is never good to put yourself down because other people do more than you, or others are doing better than you. The best thing for anyone to do, is to be happy and proud of the work you do. The only person you have to beat is your past self. That is how a person know progression.
I LOVE your attitude and perspective. ..I could've written that myself if I was lucky....
I really love this message. It is so true. I honestly dislike the leagues and clubs and other social things on this site because the fact that I get put down knowing that others are doing way better then me. I believe that learning should be at your own pace, and at your own will. You shouldn't feel forced to do more because others are doing more. It is all about what you want to accomplish and how you want to approach accomplishing your goal. I've learned that anyone can learn what they would like to, if they put their minds to it. That I know is true. I've learned this through learning many instruments. The start always seems so slow and frustrating, but when learning something new, don't just look at where you are now, look at yourself now from a few months ago, from a few weeks ago. Always try to pinpoint positive changes and progressions through your study to keep yourself motivated. Sure, competing with others can keep you motivated, but do your really get the most out of your lesson, or do you find that when you are alone, focused on yourself that you get the most out of your lessons? For everyone that answer may be different. Just know that whatever your answer might be, as long as you are learning because you want to learn, then you will learn it, and you will exceed your-self-expectations.
Thank you Gato! A very timely post, since I was starting to become too mindful of league position! For me, it should be more important to enjoy the process and feel positive about learning Spanish.
I enjoy reading this post again and again. Thank you.
"just disable them if you are worried it might affect you negatively. " -exactly.If anyone is trying to stop the league thing I will teach you a new English phrase" Spoil sport"
It is simple. Go under your settings and click on privacy. Then just turn off allowing your profile to be public
Thank you. I have just disabled the leagues and now I can concentrate on the language I'm learning which I'm really enjoying.
That's great. I'm glad you love learning. Keep up the hard work, and in no time, your goals will be met.
if have friends here.. they can now no longer see you if you turned off leagues.
Everyone is different. It makes me happy that you and others have shared your experiences. I find it very interesting that the human mind is so similar to everyone els's, yet so different in almost every way. That is why I enjoy learning, because everyone's mind works so differently which is why people learn differently. I've never had a friend on here, so I didn't hesitate to turn of the leagues. I feel like the best option for you is to try to be happy and content with yourself. When you do this, you'll feel less of a need to be so overly competitive, and you can focus on resting. Your mind greatly effects your physical health, which is why it is important to try and stay positive, while learning. It is always best to keep your mind healthy when you struggle physically, or in any situation. I wish for you the best of luck as you go through your life's journey, and with anything that you do. Always remember to try hard, and whatever you put your mind to, you can do it, and it will be accomplished.
While I agree that being too focused on someone else is bad, I would say that for myself it is a lot of fun to try and beat others on the leaderboard. I feel very good about myself being on top of my current league because I excersise every day, and even those who do like 300 xp one day and then don't excersise are eventually beat by me.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Since everyone is different, we all learn differently too. I feel like Duolingo has a great variety for all types of learners. As long as you are learning a language because you want to, and not because you are pressured to, then you will be able to learn your language, and will accomplish that goal.
urgh being a competive person the leagues are negatively affecting my learning. This week I stayed away from here due to them https://www.duome.eu/sea-mist/progress just so I could jump in on the nearly the last day, so I end up not trying to push myself overly hard to stay in a good spot in the leagues.
I keep telling myself leagues don't matter as I came here to learn a language and had been doing well till these were introduced but I find it hard to ignore them when they are so in my face and I dont want to start blocking them as it then stops my (non league) friends from being able to see me here.
I have poor health and last week I pushed myself on a day when I should of been resting due to the leagues and made myself sicker that day due to it. So now Im purposely staying away from this website at times due to the leagues affect on me (before leagues I only missed days when I was too unwell to be here or studying German at another place).
If you have a phone, you can install the Dulingo app and then you can choose weather or not you want to see the leagues. Your profile can still be seen by your friends, and you can still see their's, but you don't always have to look at the league.
I do not compete with anyone but myself; however, the progress being made by others encourages me to study harder and longer, and therefore, to learn more. You all push me to be better.
From one George to another. ..I totally agree...leagues are nothing to get upset about....leagues help me, drive me, and i love it....I could've written your words myself.
Okay! If you want to learn alone, nobody can force you to do the opposite. Deactivate leagues or whatever. But learning with your pals is more fun. I guess this is my case. The most important is to learn.
If I stop wanting to learn, I will just close my account.
Plus, the points must be a joke ... eight minutes into the new week and someone ha amassed 1500 points. Is that a joke?
posting to see my level
edit: sweet, just hit 21.
Keep up the good work people, you're all awesome!
Getting top three in the leaderboards is such a good motivator for me. I know it doesn't mean anything but It's nice because even through many people are months and years of learning ahead I feel like I'm catching up.
I agree with you Gato, but I can't help feeling a little bit like a failure whenever I get messages telling me I lost x place with a sad face