https://www.duolingo.com/Dawn7150

Straaaange phonetics for Arabic!!!! Numbers?!!!

I started the beta version of Arabic from English. The phonetics they're using for ع and أ are weiiiird. They're using numbers! Like number 3 is supposed to represent ع and number 2 is being used for أ

So a word like أدع is written like 2d3u!!!! This is frustrating. We used to write it like this: od'u

C'mon duolingo, learning a new language is already a challenge. Don't make it harder

June 27, 2019

23 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/indigofirenet

It's the "Arabic Chat Alphabet" - an adhoc romanization of Arabic that started in online chats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_chat_alphabet

So long as it's consistently applied, it's pretty good. Kind of like Pinyin for Chinese.

That said, I don't think it should be tested against. Use it as an aide, but don't ask people whether something is 3abad or 2abad.

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/xinjii

tbh, 3 for ع is super common. with 2 as hamza... there are other ways to do it, but people do it enough. Some professors teach hamza and 3ayn as minimal pairs because they are both stops. one glottal and unvoiced the pharyngeal and voiced. making 3abad and 2abad a choice is a minimal pair choice and is a standard teaching practice

June 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

As far as I know, this form of notation is widely used.

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Dawn7150

Widely where? I mastered in TEFL and have been studying languages and phonetics for a while. Hadn't seen it before.

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

This is the environment in which I encountered the symbols first: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/numbers-in-transliterations.58927/

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

It is also used in contributions here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32858549

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Dawn7150

This belongs to duolingo

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

Yes, that's why I wrote "here". But it is -- as far as I can tell -- not "from Duolingo". It's a discussion participant like you and me.

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/moelad

we only use it when we write arabenglish, which is basically arabic using the latin alphabet, we use it because some letters dont exist in english (latin alphabet), in scenarios where arabic as a language is not available to use.

example: websites that dont have arabic implemented in chats.

and texting friends

and we only use it in texting, otherwise this should never be used.

July 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Timothy.Bettis

I've encountered the same notation traveling across the Middle East. Its a notation that uses latin characters to express Arabic words. Used a lot in texting or other venues where the technology has seamless use of english characters but not Arabic. I'm fine with finally learning it if its a relatively solid and established system for native Arabic speakers.

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/benton.1

I had only heard it was being used by Arabic speakers when texting on phones that did not have Arabic script so that Arabic sounds could be represented. This is the first time I've seen it used for transliteration in a language learning course.

July 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/moelad

yes that's a 100% correct, we wouldnt use it in any other scenario, that would be ridiculous

July 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/hori20n

it's really strange

June 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MitjaSaje

It is a practical solution. It is important that the standard is clear

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Heike333145

After opening my latest skill, I found the explanation in the Tips and Notes: https://www.duolingo.com/skill/ar/Country-1/tips-and-notes

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/shirel.tai

They use numbers only when they write in latin letters, and the numbers represent sounds that don't exist in english, yet exist in lots of other languages. It has nothing to do with duolingo. For example, all of the sounds you found weird also exist in Hebrew, yet we don't use numbers or the latin alphabet to write in hebrew, we just use the hebrew alphabet.

June 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Improbable51

ARABIC ROX IF YOU CAN SAY AU REVOIR IN FRENCH SO EASILY WHY NOT ARABIC LETTERS? THEYRE WAAAAAY MUCH EASIER

July 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien

I would like to learn how to use this system. Does anyone have a list of how to write all of the letters?

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien

Thank you.

June 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SJEarnest

Definitely an actual thing. More to learn :)

June 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/apgeraint

I agree with Dawn7510 entirely! I already know, and can read the Arabic alphabet, so not knowing that أدع has to be transcribed as 2d3u is a setback. Now, I have to learn a NEW phonetic alphabet in order to learn Arabic. This is not necessary because Arabic HAS a phonetic alphabet already. Such letters should be transcribed using accents, capitals, cedillas, apostrophes etc. not numbers.

June 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/danielph147

"I started the beta version of Arabic"... You already said it: it's a beta version. So there can be many mistakes. Just report these mistakes and help them make a better course. This goes for the "Don't make it harder" part.

June 28, 2019
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