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Quick tip for remembering ب ت ث ن

Maybe this is obvious to some people, but maybe it will help others. It can be difficult when things look alike. (Disclaimer: this is a memorization tip, not a pronunciation guide.)

ب the dot is Below (B)

ت Two dots (T)

ث Three dots (Th)

ن at Noon (nun), the sun is high in the sky (N)

(Please also note also that this one sits below the line, not on it, and the shape is different.)

I don't have tips for all the letters, but this helped me when I studied years ago. If this helped you and you want more, let me know.

June 27, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NawarLayla

This is great! If you have any more tips I would love to hear them!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

For sure! I definitely have a few more. Probably not all of them will make sense to everyone, but I'll try to share them anyways. Lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WideVacuum

Something is better than having no clue at all. Share whatever makes sense to you, unless you are not spamming.


[deactivated user]

    For jeem ha kha ج ح خ I was taught : writeج nothingح onخ


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PetitRagondin

    Hi, could you please explain this more? Maybe I'm slow but I didn't get it!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ali826616

    For Jeem it’s “write” as in you write the dot, for ha it’s “nothing” as in no dot, for kha it’s “on”, as in you put the dot on top! Peace


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeaceForce

    Thank you for an indispensable start. I've been trying to learn the Arabic script on and off for years now, first on Memrise then Drops, but find that they and DL (no offense) go too fast into vocabulary. The letters in their stand-alone and shape-shifting positional forms should be covered first, arguably.

    In any case, learning the script is no small feat. I understand that it traditionally takes about two weeks to master. Hopefully online platforms can expedite the process with enough entertaining mnemonics.

    Any prospective DL Farsi course from English would pose a similar challenge, adopted as the Persian script is from the morphing Arabic one. Kindly take heed, any budding volunteers ...


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    They definitely throw you into a bit, though I've seen some people complain that there are too many alphabet lessons. Lol I'm sure there's an app specifically for the alphabet or a great Tiny Cards deck. I was in the middle of creating a Farsi alphabet deck to do just that, though of course the pronunciation is different.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StephanVog9

    I am one of those complaining that there is too much repetition in the alphabet lessons. I love repetitions, I need lots of repetitions, esp. when it comes to learning vocabulary. The problem with the repetitions for learning the Arabic script is that they repeat the same 5 pairs over and over again in the 'match the pairs' exercises, thereby making it pattern matching exercise, while paying less and less attention to the details. And by pattern matching I mean here that you can find the pairs just by distinguishing the number of characters, or by identifying the easy to recognize characters (like, oh, this is the one with the k). Whereas the confusing pairs (for me esp. ـنـ|ـبـ and ـيـ|ـتـ) don't get special training. And this is not about not knowing the difference between a baa and a nuun, or a taa and a yaa, it is about reliably recognizing these characters, esp. in their middle form, when text is written in smaller font. There are scientific studies on the difficulty of reading Arabic, which shows that reading the Arabic script in smaller font sizes is very error prone, not only for learners like us, but even for natives. And a lot of the practice for characters could already be done with real words, rather then the non-word character sequences, esp. using minimal pairs, ie words, which differ only be one character.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    I think that's valuable feedback, and it might be worth posting on a new thread so the folks in charge are more likely to see it. I definitely agree that the middle form is the most challenging, especially with the small font size (which I'm really hoping they'll change).


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leighforbes

    I'm loving all the alphabet lessons! (I'm aiming to get to level five in them all before moving on – these things have to be really branded onto my brain, or I get frustrated very quickly.) Just wish the glyphs were (a lot) larger!!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    I like them, too! I think they're incredibly well structured. I think they are sprinkled throughout the course, too, from what I've read. So you might run into some more.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeaceForce

    Well, in any event here's hoping a Farsi course gets added to those for the ME languages now taught (Arabic, Turkish and Hebrew), just in time for world peace!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    Let's hope sooner than that! Lol I would love a Farsi course so much.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/M.Arabi

    me too i need it for my college it's an essential subject i study history in college of literature what is the point of learning it


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/setyspaghetti

    Me, the native Farsi speaker


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bykunn

    i'd love a farsi course on here! i find it more interesting than arabic tbh


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SophCamera

    سلام! من عاشق فارسی هستم


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NoorulIman1

    I love that font!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ali826616

    Hello I speak Farsi is what I think it says


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WideVacuum

    Help duolingo develop Farsi. you'll be my hero. :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zedsunn

    Same here! I find the differences in the alphabet and pronunciation a bit tricky- I wish there was a Farsi course as well, it would be interesting! I would love to help but I don't think I'm qualified to help develop a course.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimThibaul

    I just wish I can read the Arabic script, find it too light


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SarilaF

    thanks. love arabic- how beautiful too.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Amina_J_

    Hi zanzaboonda,

    I am a Muslim. The Qur'an is written in Arabic so before we learn the Qur'an we have to read the Arabic Alphabet so we know how to read properly. This is great advise. Thanks for this !


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danielh.gt

    Thank you so much! If anyone's interested, these are called mnemonics.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bonnythedog

    Gosh, that's a very difficult grammarian word!

    Do you have a way to remember it? :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alphalyrae

    It's not so easy to remember as your mnemonic, but for the letters that have dots, the position of the dots is the same as the position of your tongue when you make the sound. You'll notice if you try saying ي (y) or ب (b) that your tongue is at the bottom of your mouth, whereas is you say ث (th), ت (t), ض (ḍ) etc it's at the top :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    Ah, brilliant! It's just like Hangul, then.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WideVacuum

    This deserves bunch of lingots.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flying_crow

    Wow this is awesome, I had no idea that scripts were related to mouth parts! I haven't learned the entire alphabet yet, so I just went on a whole internet journey figuring out the rest of the connections between all the other letter shapes/dot positions and mouth shapes/tongue positions, LOL. Thanks for sharing :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tristen161172

    Please take 15 lingots for teaching me this


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iffypant

    That is helpful! I started trying to teach myself the Arabic alphabet months ago. The free online tutorial taught these letters together among some others. I got a bit frustrated and stopped kind of stuck with Arabic through transliteration. I hope the Duolingo course can help me with recognizing the letters.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    I'm really dating myself here, lol, but I initially studied Arabic like over 20 years ago. I taught myself a bit using the book Colloquial Arabic of the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. (Good book - highly recommended. I was able to go into a local Mediterranean market and understand some conversations between customers and clerks, which completely blew me away!) I had no idea at the time that there were different "versions". Lol I've revisited the alphabet over the years (mostly due to a brief study of Farsi). But I remember little else.

    Due to life in general, I stopped learning Arabic altogether, and I've been dying for this course to come out. The language seemed to be a good fit for my brain before, but I'm significantly older now. Lol So, we'll see. Doing okay so far.

    I think part of that is Duolingo's method. It usually works well for me. I hope it does for you, too!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leighforbes

    I know Arabic is on a completely different level, but I learned Norwegian (enough to get by in Norway) in ten months at the age of 47. (And my mother learned Italian to fluency in her 60s.)

    You can do it!!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arditiz

    So true! I'm 61 and learning a few tongues at once - making happy progress, no problems. I think that thing about being older vs language learning is a myth! I just ask my young, enthused, curious brain to kick in and have fun, and everything sticks!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

    I love both of these comments! They give me hope. :) I also had some medical issues that caused me memory problems, and I've really been struggling. But I decided to take up the kalimba and have spent a couple of months learning music and music theory, and it's had a huge effect on my brain. I've barely been practicing my languages (just keeping my streak alive, really), and yet things are suddenly easier - even in Korean, which was killing me. Lol I was determined before, but I now I have hope that it won't be such an uphill battle.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iffypant

    I've been living in Beirut for 2.5 years and have been learning colloquial Lebanese dialect on and off for 1.5 years. I feel like I have almost nothing to show for it though. I can pick on some things in a conversation or when asked, but I really struggle to answer, especially with my terrible accent, and to remember the verbs.

    The main problem is that you don't need to speak Arabic to live in this city. There wasn't really too much pressure or motivation to make me feel like I had to learn and become fluent in it to survive. I'm about to leave very soon, so there'll be even less motivation for me to continue with the language, especially when I'll have to start brushing up on a different language in my new location.

    I would like to at least learn some more, if not all of the letters. I think Duolingo is helping with that already.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VanAya76

    The thing is that this Arabic is not the same for Beirut as I know.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iffypant

    Yes, I'm very aware that Lebanese/Beiruti Arabic is not the same as fusha, but that could be said for any spoken Arabic in the Middle East/North Africa.

    The courses I took were actually a strange mix of multiple colloquial dialects and somewhat Gulf focused. Our teachers would read and correct things to be more Lebanese: replacing words that aren't used in the country, generally not pronouncing the "qaf", adding "b" before verbs, etc, so I think I know a little about these differences.

    Granted, it would probably be easier to start with MSA and then learn dialects. I never expected to move to Beirut though, and it made more practical sense (as is the case for many expats) to take courses in the dialect for daily purposes.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RobertoVro15

    Thank you friend, Asalamalykum


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bir_kedi

    acredito que تسلمي (tíslami, obrigado/a) ou شكرًا (xúkran) são melhores para agradecer, do que السلام عليكم.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RobertoVro15

    Asalamalikum significa que la paz este contigo, y hasta donde yo se lo usan como despedida o para decir hola, no intente usar esa palabra para agradecer


    [deactivated user]

      Thank you so much!!! Maybe this can help me learning Arabic!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Khalid449389

      Yah.. good one... I used men in a boat ...but yours is better


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tc2018
      • 1100

      Useful,thanks!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kleent

      Thanks for this new course. I waited it so badly lol. Good work ^_^


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zanzaboonda

      Ah, I had nothing to do with the course, unfortunately (I'm a student, too) but I'm really enjoying it so far. I hope you like it!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mikem90

      Great tip! Thanks


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marijo333

      sure it helps, thanks and have a little lingot


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VanAya76

      Thanks for your tips and of course its very helpfull for someone who really wants to learn arabic :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tintin_73

      Thank you so much for your helpful suggestions!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/isaac_dark

      Thank you please make a whatsapp or en group


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/prky
      • 560

      Thank you! Please share more!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nan00shie

      Thank you, this helped!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/544D
      • 1635

      Very good tip. You can add يي (two dots below) like a Yoga pose :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leillia

      Thanks! That was helpful. :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/volumniax

      Excellent! Thank you :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ColeComplains

      This helped me a lot! Thank you so much!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Welshire

      this was neat advice. I can't forget it now haha


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/madhulika397277

      Thanks it's very helpful


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/aml071

      Nice tip, thanks!

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