This is going to get a lot of hate but here we go...

Disclaimer: This post is TOTALLY not pro-useless-posts. I'm not supporting the weird kpop comments that are just "I like BTS" or "Super Junior is the best". This is about the posts asking about translation and other things to help our learning. Please don't get offended by this post, and if you do, please tell me why. Also, I would appreciate it if this post didn't start a riot. Please don't get super angry at this me and decide to write me an essay in the comments detailing all the sins I have likely committed in my lifetime (It's happened before). I simply want to exhibit my opinion. And for those of you calling this spam, I can see you, I am addressing a problem that needs to be addressed. So spam or not, this post is here.

Okay look. Those of you who are anti-kpop: I get it. Everyone likes different things and thats okay. But let us be us. There is absolutely nothing wrong with us posting about kpop lyrics on the forum because it's hurting LEGITIMATELY NO ONE. Like, you don't need to comment on every kpop post about how "This isn't a fansite" and "Go do that on amino". I get it, you don't approve in our choice of music or don't listen to kpop and are wanting to learn Korean for some other reason. But leave us alone. I see a lot of comments about how people are "Tired of the kpop posts". SO IGNORE THEM. There is nothing wrong with just scrolling past a comment you don't like. You think our posts are annoying? Try getting shamed for what you like EVERY SINGLE TIME you try to connect with other Korean learners about it. Maybe we will end up helping each other learn languages and may even become friends because we connected over this, and by shaming us for connecting you are stopping whatever may come out of that connection. I'm not saying we shouldn't post completely worthless posts about kpop, I'm simply saying that you should shame those trying to learn with relevant posts. Dislike the post and move on, instead of commenting about how annoying it is. Our self esteem is already low from real life encounters, don't lower it any further.

Long story short: We get it. You're annoyed. You don't appreciate all the kpop posts. But you should stop being so condescending about it. We get enough shame off screen for our interests, so please don't make us feel unwelcome online too.

Edit: I am SO sorry if I have offended anyone with this post. I have edited it quite a lot, trying to ensure I have kept everyone in their right minds, but it doesn't really seem to be working.

July 4, 2019

This discussion is locked.

Personally I don't have anything against Kpop (I even listen to it myself) but like Andres says, the forums are for discussing language related posts. A question about a lyric, or suggestions for good artists to help learn Korean is perfectly okay, but posts that say "I LOVE BTS" and nothing else has really nothing to do with learning Korean, or language learning. Duolingo is a language learning app, so yeah it would probably be better to go on Amino.

But that applies to every single language on here, not just Korean.

July 4, 2019

I started studying Korean because of a Kpop post. The posters were so excited about the genre, and I am a HUGE music aficianado, that I had to see what all the fuss was about.

Now I have a huge library of Kpop and Korean Blues, Korean rap and more.

Language is a way for people to communicate. But it is not the language that matters it is the subject matter. Kpop is the Korean language.

We should be sharing Korean recipes, music, art whatever.

I'm not learning Korean so that I can study a dictionary, I want to swim in the culture.


July 4, 2019

I'm also a kpop fan (going on 6 years) but I understand why people are annoyed by the kpop posts. Kpop fans are plentiful and can fill up a forum in an instant~ I would suggest the same thing as others and bring the convo back around to language, for example: "I was recently listening to A.C.E's Undercover and noticed they had a lot of words like 슬금슬금 and 흠칫흠칫; I was wondering if there was a word for these types of things and what they mean?"

Personally I learnt a lot of my Korean from kpop songs, idk I might even make a post about it soon lol~

July 4, 2019

They're either adjectives or they're onomatopoeia. 불쑥불쑥 for instance means suddenly, abruptly, etc.

July 5, 2019

onomatopoeia (의성어) commonly used in Korea. 1. 멍멍 (mung-mung) – Bark of a dog. 2. 야옹 (ya-ong) – Meow of a cat. 3. 꼬끼오 (ggo-ggi-oh) – Crow of a rooster. 4. 꿀꿀 (ggul-ggul) – Oink of a pig. 5. 음메 (eum-meh) – Moo of a cow. 6. 개굴개굴 (gae-gul-gae-gul) – Ribbit of a frog. 7. 부엉부엉 (bu-ung-bu-ung) – Hoot of an owl. 8. 구구 (goo-goo) – Coo of a pigeon. 9. 찍찍 (jjik-jjik) – Squeak of a mouse. 10. 까악까악 (kka-ak-kka-ak) – Cackle of a crow. 11. 따르릉 (dda-leu-leung) – Ring of a telephone. 12. 똑똑 (ddok-ddok) – Knock on a door. 13. 빵빵 (bbaang-bbaang) – Honk of a horn. 14. 쾅(kwang) – Thump of something dropping. 15. 쪽 (jjok) – Smooch of a kiss. 16. 딩동 (ding-dong) – Ring of a doorbell. 17. 콜록콜록 (kol-lok-kol-lok) – Sound of a cough. 18. 엉엉 (ung-ung) – Cry of a baby. 19. 칙칙폭폭 (chik-chik-pok-pok) – Choo Choo of a train. 20. 쨍그랑 (jjaeng-keu-lang) – Clink of wine glasses.

July 5, 2019

I totally agree! Lots of people get very VERY annoyed with K-pop fans posting about how they learn Korean because of K-pop. I agree that if it annoys them so much, then they should just ignore it. I am an ARMY myself and enjoy K-pop.

July 4, 2019

Perhaps Inserting K-POP into the title of posts would would make it easier for devotees to share their passion and warn those looking for more erudite posts to scroll on down. It is probably too much to ask our favorite owl to provide the Forum sub-category "Korean-KPOP."

July 4, 2019

i love bts too. But when trying to understand a lesson, I am looking for your help to understand it. A few comments can be fun to lighten the frustration. But, It is extremely frustrating to scroll through 12 kpop references with none giving help.

I think it would be great for you to set up and moderate a Duolingo forum that explains the language twists used in kpop and other Korean music.

ps: I also watch kdramas and Korean Scifi movies. Please include that in the forum. ;

July 5, 2019

There's nothing wrong with learning Korean because of Kpop. But self-learning a language involves discipline, mental focus, and perseverance - essentially, maturity.

I suspect Korean drama fans learn Korean better than Kpop fans. Some Kpop fans I know spend hours listening to the same song - and when they are done, still don't understand all the words in it, because their minds have been focused on their idols' smile, or chest, or moves all those hours. Let's hope you are different.

July 5, 2019

Hi WeStanHobi, Me personally I have nothing against K-POP, there are very talented musicians in that genre.

Normally the reason why people don’t like it on the forums is because the forums are for discussing language type posts (You and others could discuss lyrics to a K-POP song on here. I think that would be a great way to learn and talk about something you enjoy, but sadly most K-POP posts aren’t like that they normally just say something like “K-POP is the best”.)

I am learning Spanish, so I would get the same response if I made a post just saying “I love Shakira and Enriques Iglesias” but if I discussed the lyrics maybe it would have a better outcome.

Happy Learning! :)

July 4, 2019

If you are very right, we should respect the opinions of others (and not oppose the ideas of others), and as people we should put ourselves in the place of the other, because we do not know what a person is going through, and also remember that What we have in common is that we are all here to learn, so instead of offending or saying that what you are writing is wrong or I do not like it, we should support and encourage us to continue learning, and not just to argue against each other. Thank you and I'm sorry if I somehow offended you with this comment.

July 6, 2019

Forum policy is to remove off topic posts. This is Duolingo, not AllKpop

July 8, 2019

no one is hating, we just want to have a place where we can discuss korean thats not filled with spam.

im not going to lie, it is pretty inconsiderate to ruin the purpose of this place, and then call anyone that doesnt agree with you condescending, attackers of self esteem; purveyors of shame.
please just try and understand how it seems to the others here.

July 4, 2019

Dear McPwny, I was DEFINITELY not intending to call everyone who shuts down useless comments various name, and will edit my post to correct that. Thank you so much for bringing this to light. I have no intention to offend anyone, I was simply addressing a problem that I saw on a post. The post was asking about the translation to a song, and in return the poster got a lot of truly mean and inconsiderate comments. Thank you again!

July 5, 2019

Reddit is also a good place to discuss kpop.

July 5, 2019
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