https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Suggestion: Stop deleting posts after they are answered.

I have noticed this more lately but I am sure it is not a new issue.

People seem to post a question, receive their answer and then seemingly delete the post entirely. (I don’t see any violation of the rules that would suggest a mod removed it)

This seems rather selfish to me.

Firstly people took the time to answer your question and secondly if you had that question I can guarantee many others have the same question.

And you just delete the question and answers?

Isn’t a large part of the value of these forums the fact you can find answers to questions? Doesn’t deleting answered posts diminish the value.

This also forces people to ask the same question over and over because even if they search, they are less likely to find the answer since they are deleted.

The search on this site isn’t great, but deleting an answered question isn’t helping.

Just a little rant :D

Do you think it is selfish or wrong to delete an answered question? Or perfectly acceptable?

July 12, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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Also, I just want to take this opportunity to do a shout out to you merkavar, for the valued contributions you make to our language learning community, including the culture and the way we do things.

Thank you for discussing topics, while also being polite and supportive, and showing kindness to all our community. Though at times, that also means some people I am sure you choose to not respond to. And that is also one of the most powerful tools we are able to also use when engaging with the attitude some bring to our language learning community.

And this issues here is also is a great topic you bring up merkavar.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Thanks for the kind words

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mojavejeeper

Similar complaint! I have posted two EXTENSIVE comments to the forum about a big problem involving the imperfect tense and errors in the way it is being translated into English. Those errors cost me two weeks of confused study! I have gone back to view those comments and CANNOT FIND either post although I've wasted a couple of hours and extensively searched my user name. If I'm wrong I'd love to have my error explained–NOT MY POST DELETED!

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

Hi mojavejeeper, Here is a little tip I learned: If you post something that you would like to find again in the future, then add your name to the bottom of the post or sign off your post with something unique that would be found by the search engine.

Remember, the Duolingo search engine only searches through the message text, so your name has to actually be included in the text of your post.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Did you make sure that you had posted it to the right forum? That may explain why it was deleted.

If it hasn't been deleted, have you checked the "followed" tab to see if someone has responded?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

From what I have seen, most mods do not delete if a post is in the wrong forum, they just suggest a move. Of course, I have o idea how many good posts are getting deleted without warning by other Duo mods (though several worthy comments on posts get deleted in the PT forum where many discussions also get locked for no reason that not even the course contributor knows about why or who is doing it)

One of the problems is that we cannot search for our own comments, only username mentions. Sure we have the "followed" list but we can follow discussions without commenting and the list is in order of the date the discussion was started, not when we contribute so if we comment on an exercise that was started 4 years ago (despite it still being relevant and active), then it can be ages before we have scrolled through our followed list to the discussions that old (another reason I despise endless scroll instead of pages).


mojavejeeper:
Try this google search to see if you find your comments (there are only 19 discussions to sift through):

"mojavejeeper" duolingo.com imperfect tense

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jairapetyan

Could we plead to admin that they upgrade the functionality of the "followed" tab? What I wish for is that when you are viewing a discussion, whether it be in a forum or a sentence discussion, that by clicking that "follow discussion" button that page gets added to the top of your list of followed pages. So in the following days and weeks when you are most interested in hearing the feedback, all you need to do is go to your "followed" tab and you will find the page among the top entries.

July 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimOser

The followed discussions are listed by the date that the top post of the thread was created, not by the date that the thread was updated.

My next to last followed post was created 5 years ago (Note: I was not even using the duolingo forum, 5 years ago.) However, the thread was updated 8 months ago, by one of my favorite posters, Thomas.Heiss

Responding to the thread Suggestion: Active Sentences Discussions

8 months ago Thomas.Heiss wrote:

Wow, five years ago you had already spoken about an Active/"Recently modified" thread topic stream.

Now we are nearly at the end of 2018 and still this used discussion forum software is so much proprietary and limited :(

I can not even search for my own created or posted threads or mark any thread as favourite which I do not want to actively follow.

This is so sad.

July 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Where's the 'followed' tab please Little T? ♡

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

(Please, just call me MJ. :D) It's on the first page that pulls up when you click on the "Discuss" button. There should be three tabs that read: "Popular", "New", and "Followed". This is without selecting something from your subscriptions.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Thanks MJ! Some nice color formatting you've done there too! :)

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Thank you! :D

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Huy_Ngo

As a frequent helper-by-comment I can relate :(

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/This_Dark_Soul

How did something delete a harmless post?

July 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mreaderclt

I agree with merkavar.

I had one just recently where I took some time to help someone, and they deleted the post shortly thereafter.

When I try to help someone here, I hope that I'm going to end up helping more than just that one person.

Believe it or not, I usually save the text in a Google doc if the comment takes more than a few minutes to compose. That way I can use it again, because, people do sometimes ask the same question and that's never going to change in this forum.

This time I forgot, of course. So overall, it felt like a waste of my time.

==

The people who are saying that the answer probably already exists in tips, another comment or the help files might have a point, but I don't think it's a strong one.

The tips aren't always that great (not going into that here, it would take too long) and the way they're scattered on this website makes it nearly impossible to search for a specific topic.

The search tool here in the forums is horrible.

The help files that consist of pinned comments from course creators do tend to be useful, but they don't cover every conceivable topic.

If someone takes the time to help you, deleting your post without even thanking them is beyond classless.

Finally, the idea that you're removing "clutter" is nonsense in a forum with seven years worth of junk posts. There must be thousands of "omg, my streak disappeared!" posts alone. It's like stepping on one ant when a colony has invaded your picnic and feeling you've save the day.

What is needed is better search tools, but that isn't going to happen. (See the end of this post, though.)

So, yeah, don't be rude and delete your post after you get an answer. And do take the time to say "thank you" to whomever actually helped you. Also, pay it forward someday when you are capable of helping someone else.

==

Tip:

A site-specific search on Google often works better than the search tool within these forums, but it's not something most people are going to think about (and really shouldn't have to).

Add "site:forum.duolingo.com" to a search box on Google, and often you're going to come up with better results than using the forum's own search tool.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

I really agree with you here. Sometimes a comment in one discussion is good for another (and not just my comments) so it is nice to be able to quote and to link to the post (I wish we could link to individual comments). If I have to recreate every helping comment I make entirely from scratch including finding the supporting links all over again I will just stop and find something else more rewarding to do (and Duo can then just pay someone...).

I really do not think it is fair to disappear the work and thoughtful input of others. It discourages us from engaging.

On the other hand I can understand why someone might delete because of DV bullying. In fact, I think that some discussions are not findable anymore via search (Duo's or other search engine) if they get the dreaded "-5" unless we are following them. Here for instance is one that I think was unfairly hidden with a quick -6 despite my efforts to save it:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32604431

I had one of my own discussions get -3 before going on to get over 500.

And there is at least a couple in the German forum who are so vigilante they are attacking even the new sentence discussions that are attached to the exercises (making the Duo search even more ineffective, and harmful to Duo's learning mission because those are NOT troll posts).

If others do not find a compliant post interesting, move on. If it is not a good post (other than spam, lingot begging, etc.) then it will not move up on the front page.

But I also would have liked to have read the HeyMariana posts too, even the comments because I learn how people are thinking (even if I disagree because like it or not we all live on the same planet). I just did not get to them in time even though I saw them.

I wish we could have like reddit where even if the post is deleted the comments are still accessible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7w57yd/what_is_your_border_crossingpassport_control_story/

Plus it would be EVER SO GREAT if we could collapse comments like they (and Discus too) do that makes reading so much easier.


Another thing though, the google searches are rendered less effective because Duo hides all but the top comments until we scroll through, even on the web, so those do not get indexed.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"If others do not find a compliant post interesting, move on."

Perhaps Duolingo shouldn't empower the anonymous to hide other students' work in the first place?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidcwalls

The other nice thing about using Google to search the forum is you can find comments using the poster's user name. The downside is it seems to take a few days for posts to show up in Google's results.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garpike

And do take the time to say "thank you" to whomever actually helped you.

This is all well and good in the case of new topics, but an awful lot of helpful answers are given in sentence discussions, and many of these would become ludicrously long and cluttered if everyone said 'thank you' in this way. The 'give lingots' button is there to show appreciation of posts in a way that doesn't silt up threads with otherwise unilluminating pleasantries.
Personally, I'd much rather say 'thank you', but the reality is that thousands of people will read it, but only one person will actually appreciate it, and even then, only for a second or two, and large numbers of posts like this impede other users trying to find the answers to questions.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

This is a well written and very informative post. Thank you for taking time out of your day/night to type this up. You also make quite a few good points too.

There should be a search bar above the discussion page where you can filter the topic and language. Also, who has noticed that they've removed the stories feature? I'm disappointed that Duolingo keeps on removing good features and replacing them with ones no one even asked for. Duolingo is by far one of the best apps/websites for learning a language out there, but I feel like it's gradually going downhill. For example; the addition of the leaderboards is cool, you can compete with other users but it's not filtered at all and there's no point in trying because it's so competitive and most people, especially new here, cheat.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/b05aplmun.ca

Duolingo has not removed the Stories feature. I used it only an hour or two ago. The tab is visible, however, only from the four languages that actually have stories.

July 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimOser

@mreaderclt

It is also great when people use the same or similar ids across the various platforms. Today, I learned that CLT is the airport code for

Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT) Charlotte, North Carolina, United States

and I also found a new twitter feed to follow.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

People will sometimes delete a post if they get Down Voted right away or there is a negative response(s). Lately, there seems to be a larger number of down votes than usual.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

I posted recently and before doing so, noticed that all the very recent posts had -1 in front. As soon as I posted I looked at it, and it had -1 in front of it! I think there needs to be accountability in down- voting something. A person's name for example, would show just how often he or she downvotes.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

A shortcoming in the design of this forum is that it is possible to hide someone else's work without even opening it.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

yeah, on the mobile website you need to open the post to downvote it, atleast on safari. maybe they need to do that on all platforms so you have to atleast open before downvoting.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

Really? I've never experienced that before. I can, and usually, upvote posts before I look at them, especially when I'm lazy and don't want to answer questions lol.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

I'm mostly on mobile web and it has become possible to hide other people's work without even opening let alone reading.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/b05aplmun.ca

If the title of the post is "Give me lingots," or "So-and-so is dumb" or "[incredibly offensive racist garbage]," then I have no qualms at all about deleting it without opening it.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/meatcan

suellen007, don't worry about the downvotes. Some people seem to DV any post out of habit. They must lead grumpy lives!

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/suerad

I agree suelens007 - why should anyone be able to hide behind down voting. It should force them to at least comment why they are down voting.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DanielVanD18

I have noticed many innocent posts being downvoted. :(

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

I don't think it should be possible to anonymously hide someone else's rule complient post.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/b05aplmun.ca

I think some people feel that they are cluttering up the site with answered questions and that removing them is the polite and unselfish thing to do.

Of course, if posters got nasty replies or were attacked, they might delete a post for that reason. If they do so shortly after the nasty replies are posted, most people who read it earlier and might go looking for it later would be unaware of those replies

And, frankly, most posts aren't all that earth-shatteringly interesting or useful, especially if there are a thousand more or less like them already. I personally am a big fan of archiving things, but I can see why other individual posters might not be.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

yeah, if a post is full of hate and arguments and bullying, that seems to be a whole other issue and feel free to delete it, remove the hate. I am more concerned with the posts that were 100% civil, helpful and useful that just disappear for no reason other than the OP got what they wanted.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeanMay4

Completely agree. The answer may explain it in a way that other people may find useful - why take that away?

I don't buy the argument about answered questions somehow cluttering the system up. Old questions just filter down to the bottom where no one ever has to see or think about them again until someone searches for them.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

The problem is that we have to filter through many, many variants of the same questions. I think if more attention was brought to the search bar or if the search function would be refined, more people would be apt to use it.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Yeah people should search. But does deleting answered questions help?

If there are 1000 posts, does 1 more hurt?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dogomolo

How much it cost to employ a moderator? If moderators have too much work, increase number of moderators?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

I think they are volunteers

So spending their own time to help

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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Yes, Moderators and Global Ambassadors are volunteers.

People might like to check out:

We as Global Ambassadors (GA's) are answerable to Duolingo, to our GA community, and of course to this world wide community of language learners.

edited: sometimes there is a little confusion about Golden Ambassadors and Global Ambassadors. I prefer to use GA to only refer to Global Ambassadors. I do not see that I am above even the newest of our community, nor above the most confused mind that is a part of our community. It is not surprising at times I have also, and still find myself as being one of the confused minds of our community. ;P ahhh - that is life of roo like me.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

We're volunteers, so we don't get paid. The problem is that we have a wide area to cover. There's more than just one forum for Duolingo (I think the number is around 133-134?). There's 234 of us (give or take) and some of us are contributors or moderators for more than one forum. It really helps us all out if we could stop with the redundant posts.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

I really don't intend this to be rude at all, I'm sorry if I word it wrong x) despite being a native speaker of English I still am bad at portraying emotion through text

Doesn't it also help you if people answer questions? Even if it's something obvious/can be answered through looking at the guidelines, isn't it a bigger help to have someone link the guidelines + what the guidelines say about the subject?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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And yes, you xMira_ are correct. And each one of us make a difference : in what we do and say, and behind that - how we choose to think and interact with our own thoughts.
ok ... far toooo deep. lets roll all that back a bit.

Each one of you reading this - you are important in this world. You make a difference, because you are living, and you are thinking and you are interacting.
It is the heart of also what this community is about.

That you as a community, and that I am just a part of, when it is that you do reach out and answer the questions of others. It is you that makes a difference.

Yes , there are links to guidelines and help and other advice can be reached without any assistance, if you are patient enough, and watch and also look at all the details of the interface. You will find links through to things such as guidelines.

Yet we are a world wide community here. From different cultures, and different abilities.
I agree with you:

Doesn't it also help you if people answer questions? Even if it's something obvious/can be answered .

And it is each one of you, of how you choose to engage - it makes a profound difference.

Thank you each one of you who so patiently answer a question someone has asked, even though you have seen it asked before, and maybe even recently before.

Your actions of showing patience and answering the same question yet again, it does influence our community in a powerfully positive way. You are amazing.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

We always strive to answer the questions, even if it's obvious. I personally answer the question and then advise the person to search for the answer to their question first.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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I also agree with you here Little_Tatws. What a great point to make.
As well as other things you have said.

Thank you for all you do for our language learning community.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Thanks. :D

And thank you for all of the time you've spent helping! Being a contributor, moderator, and educator must take a lot of time.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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Just a tad. It is for me a very engaging hobby.
Though I see it as a very critical one for our world wide community, especially at this juncture of history .
A game changer to bring wealth to the shared future of all of us, including all the other living creatures we share our world with and without which we would not be able to live.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

That's a great outlook to have, for sure!

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

There should be a filtered search bar above the discussion page with any issues you may have, language/s and type of post, (topic). I really hope someone listens to us because companies should always listen to their customers/users. They don't realise that instead of adding new pointless features with no filtering listening to users and adding what they recommend will actually really improve on their app/game/platform. Lots of companies are money hungry, but jokes on them the only way to be a successful company is always, always, listening to their customers/users.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jhoff686

I am also annoyed because when I started duolingo, I couldn't figure out which form of "the" went with different words. I posted a question about it, and a bunch of people said things like "you're an idiot if you seriously asking that question" I deleted the post because it became bully central and was downvoted so many times.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

If it has been answered a 1,000 times before why not? Or if it is in the Help section.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Why delete it though, what purpose does that serve?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AndySunshi

Not only could it help people with the same question, I would argue that you are also deleting content that can help people learn the language you are posting in. Your post are real world examples of the way fluent speakers communicate, and the more content the better.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

If it's in the help section or if it's been answered many times before, it's only clutter and considered as "spam". The forums are a place to get help, yes, but so does the help section and the search bar. It's more polite to delete a redundant question post than leave it (and it makes our job easier).

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Clutter?

I have never used a forum and thought “look at all these answered question, so much clutter”

:D

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Lol, maybe so. But you don't see what we clear out a lot of the time.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

What do you clear out?

Spam and nonsense?

Or are you saying you delete people’s legit questions?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Corinnebelle

Don't people sometimes need one on one help? Kind of like ask the teacher. Doesn't matter that he just explained it to the whole class! Just everyone thinks differently, so not everyone gets it immediately exactly the same way, in spite of it being in Tips and Notes. Sometimes asking and talking about things help! But I don't blame you for deleting things once people get the concept if it is a redundant question. Sometimes I think there should be an area of saved posts for really good questions, so people wouldn't keep asking.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Spam and nonsense. We don't delete people's legit questions. I try my best to answer a question but advise them to search first in the future.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

@Little_Tatws

Please, don't define your own definition of spam.
Don't delete posts with helpful comments, because ......

Help and support across all skill levels

We are all in this together.
Learning a language is hard and takes a lot of courage and dedication. If someone uses incorrect grammar or has a question you think has an obvious answer, kindly and calmly help them out.
Heckling and being straight up mean doesn’t help anyone learn.
Can’t say it nicely? Don’t weigh in.

Note
Moderators don't have to spend their time to moderate all the questions in the forums!
Especially in the forums for English speakers, there are enough experienced users who always try to reply to those kinds of questions.

  • Duolingo's Help Center is hidden, instead of clearly visible in a tab

  • Duolingo's Help Center often does not contain an answer to weekly asked questions.
    Fortunately, there is
    https://duolingo.fandom.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki
    But this unofficial Wiki needs updates because of the changes in Duolingo's teaching methode (Crowns), layout etc. That's an awful lot of work for its volunteers.

So please, don't consider posts with helpful comments as spam!

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

Thank you.

I will add another wrinkle. Maybe I have been away from the discussions for a while and have no idea what is going on at Duo. Maybe there were 1000 posts before but it is not until the 1001 post that I see a discussion on the latest change or "feature" introduction (how would I know to search for the topic if I do not know it even exists?), or it is a question that has come up before yet I have never answered and I have a very unique take on it or resources no one else has ever come up with before.

Sometimes the comments are more worthy than the original post but if the post is deleted those comments are lost forever and it is not fair to destroy the work others put in and the time it took.

Why have a discussion forum at all if all but the favored few will be deleted or hidden. Why not just have a very long & prominent FAQ instead.


Also, I used to see "Finnish" posts all the time, to the point it became funny. I personally have not seen one since Duo announced Finnish will be added (granted I am not here all the time). Would that have happened if the dedicated Finnish peeps had not harassed Duo via the boards?

And that is the way of the forums. Stuff comes in waves. Find what interests you and let others have what interests them. Don't want to see another crowns, leagues, levels post? Go outside! Make some food, watch a video, read a book, do a lesson, call an old friend... or, post your own highly entertaining, super interesting topic that you warn others you will delete before they waste time engaging on your post.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"...if the post is deleted those comments are lost forever and it is not fair to destroy the work others put in and the time it took...Why have a discussion forum at all if all but the favored few will be deleted or hidden..."

Quite so.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HeyMarlana

I'm in the camp where I think it's their own business why they delete their own post. I have so far deleted two posts that generated a lot of conversation and had several upvotes. One was a post about the Cyrillic alphabet, and I ended up noticing that so much of my question/topic could have just been Google-searched. Instead of keeping the topic up to look like the biggest Duolingo dumb-ass, I deleted it. The other topic was my atheist-goes-to-church topic which generated a lot of crazy comments about saving my soul when the topic itself was about language learning. Though it was moderated somewhat, the comments continued to pour in even after a few days. I deleted it to stop the ignorance from getting out of control.

Both times, I think these topics may have helped others. But they were both at my discretion and deleted for two different reasons. I appreciate that I have the power -- as a topic creator -- to have the final say whether I want my topic and my name associated with it to stay up and be followed or searched. It's my ball, and if I choose to go home with it, so be it.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

"I'm in the camp where I think it's their own business why they delete their own post."

Sure! I agree with you, I really do. I personally don't delete my posts because I like being able to look back on things and get a little perspective on why I got hate/love/mixed reviews on things. Especially 'cause I'm young in the grand scheme of things (whatever that means,) and am going to make stupid mistakes and say stupid things and I want to be able to look back on that with solid proof. Also, the internet is forever and SOMEONE has it SOMEWHERE unless that electromagnetic shock comes or something.

However, I do think that there are good reasons to say "hey please don't delete this, it could be helpful" and advise people in something really little like this. You know? Idk. Have a great day :)

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BurhanQerimi

you are absolutely right..i think people need to take into account other people when they know already a few things that are being discussed...downvoting does not serve the public good at all.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daKanga
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Thank you for being a valued contributor to our language learning community BurhanQerimi.

I think that possibly one of the reasons people are down voting your point as you are bringing in an additional topic about down voting.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AndresGarner

It is up to every user to do as he/she sees fit. Me personally, If it is a good question about the language I am learning or maybe a question about a technical problem, I want to see it and I hope they leave it up.

But, If it is a question that is irrelevant or has been already posted a few times within a few days, then I hope the user will delete it.

I do think before asking a question though, it is best to look it up online (even before searching through the forums) Because there are so many great resources that would be ten times better than a few paragraph response.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrP1zza

I'm new here so i haven't noticed this, but I do sometimes have questions and it is nice that almost all the questions I've had someone has asked and answered.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AumShalom

The reason many people delete after it is answered because of the pressure of annoying people who say "don't clutter the forum!" even though it's meant to be used, and what is a "good" thread is all perspective. The people tend to post things themselves and only say don't clutter to other people. I've seen both mods and reg users do this. It just makes me want to post more :)

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/This_Dark_Soul

I think it is fine if it was a personal question. I've made a few posts a good while back that had a specific situation involved. Of course, it was a good while back and I deleted it because it had no use anymore. Of course, that doesn't happen very often. I don't think it is selfish or wrong to delete posts once to question is answered, but that's my opinion. I make posts very often, and if I do, it's totally because I'm curious about the culture that comes with the language I'm learning. I totally understand where you are coming from though, but I also think it's about perspective. Maybe the person deleted it because they didn't think that their post could help someone else. Maybe they deleted it because it was an isolated question or a mere ponderment about a certain subject they posted three years ago. Not many people are going to go through basically three years worth of posts to find an answer. I don't that's selfish. They aren't trying to keep answers from others (they could be, but we'll most likely never know). I mean, that is debatable, as we are selfish creatures, but I doubt people are doing it on purpose, maybe they just don't think that way. That doesn't make it selfish or wrong. I also don't think it's wrong because it's pure opinion. People don't think the same way. A few might like alike, but never the same. Some people might have frustration because they are trying to find an answer by looking, and some might find frustration by asking for the answers they seek. That doesn't make the ones who scrap the question once answered if they asked it, wrong. Maybe they just don't think that way. I personally would rather ask a question on a forum rather than spend time searching for it. But that's an opinion. If I delete the post after getting an answer, then so be it. That doesn't make me wrong or selfish. It might to others however, and that's the problem. Some think wrong, some don't care. I don't care. Why? Because it doesn't affect to just ask. I honestly also think that if someone were given a forum that had a large posting place and small searching place, that most would ask the question rather than look for the answer. It's simply the first thing most people think of to do. Some might delete them because they don't think about that their post might help others. For me, if there's no rule against it, it's acceptable. People will do what they will do. There's nothing that says I can't delete a post, and really, if nobody could delete their posts, it would be harder to find something (depending on what it was) because the search and forums would be so full of stuff that didn't matter anymore, things that had passed, or things that aren't useful. Sometimes I delete them because it really doesn't have anymore value, sometimes I don't delete things because I forget they exist and sometimes I delete stuff because it's been two years and it wasn't big. I think it honestly depends on the person and what they are posting. I get where you are coming from though.

July 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Firetrix

It can be annoying sometimes but it’s not a big deal. If I see something that strikes me with value I copy the info into my own notes. I do not agree that it is selfish to delete it. There are valid reasons why someone may choose to delete it but that is their business.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/toggitang4

Ahh ,yes, thank you! I see this quite so often and thought the same. I totally agree with you. I'm happy to see someone politely posting this post that is so important. And again thank you, merkavar.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

OP

Then again has there not been a complaint from a moderator about clutter?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

define clutter?

For me an answered question is far from clutter. except for maybe the "what is a lingot?" sort of questions. but a question about verbs or past tense etc seem to be exactly what this site is for.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"a question about verbs or past tense etc seem to be exactly what this site is for"

Exactly.

" "what is a lingot?" sort of questions"

There are bound to be questions about the workings of Duolingo to include discussion of changes and wishes. Is the discussion board broad enough to accommodate both sorts of question?

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

questions about the workings of Duolingo ....

They are legitimate questions in the Troubleshooting forums!

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"They are legitimate questions in the Troubleshooting forums!"

Agreed; though it can be a ghost town over there. So people go where people are.

Edit

Inferred in https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/14754529 suggestions of improvements to how Duolingo works go here.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HeyMarlana

Think of all the posts suggesting that ASL be added to Duolingo. It's a nice suggestion, but is seen as a new topic about every day or two. These repeat questions even get answers.

Another one is "Will Icelandic be a course soon?" Completely fair question to ask but also very searchable with the same answers.

I'm game if people want to delete their repeat questions that are legitimate and had answers -- if they could have been searched first.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"These repeat questions even get answers."

Is this surprising though as there are literally millions of users so there will be a constant churn of new questioners and even answerers. Everyone had a first day at school.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HeyMarlana

I learned quick. I think Songve might have been the first to tell me something I posted had thousands of hits just by using the search function. Once I realized that, it made me mindful of what I posted. If I thought of something and thought the community might like to discuss it, or if unbeknownst to me it was discussed but could use refreshing (sometimes my thoughts were the same as someone else's about two years ago), then yes, I'll make a topic. But these ones I gave examples of? Considering that ASL or Icelandic is talked about every couple of days, I would strongly suggest that it not even be posted, and if it is, to delete it since it serves no purpose.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Questions about languages (i.e. conjugation, tenses, etc.) are always relevant and more than welcome on the forums! Duolingo teaches many languages with different rules, so more often than not those questions will be on the specific forum for that language.

Let's clarify what clutter is. (An incomplete list.) 1. "What is a lingot?" 2. "What are the leagues?" 3. "How should I go about the crown system?" 4. "What can I use my lingots for?"

(I'm on mobile atm so this formatting may be wonky.)

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

'2. "What are the leagues?" '

Part of the problem may be due to the phased introduction of improvements meaning a whole block of new students are affected with every tranche. Of course not everyone uses Duolingo every day which may account for another group of 'late' questions.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

That's totally understandable. Some updates blindside even the most seasoned of Duolingo users. I think it would be nice if there were a FAQ put on top of every forum, which was helpfully noted here. It would save users with questions time from having to make the effort to make a post and then wait for a response in addition to users who don't want to see the forums cluttered with similar posts.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

I have a suggestion then Little_Tatws and maybe you and daKanga are just the mods to implement it (but not limited to just you two).

Why not have a "DAILY DUO OPEN THREAD (Ask your questions here)" which could funnel away much of this clutter.

As a mod you could easily watch these discussion posts for lingot requests and other issues like meanness.


Well, I suppose it might not hurt to just have another Open Thread (maybe weekly) where people can just talk even if not about languages.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

That's actually not a bad idea! I think a question forum would be better as a weekly thing. That way at the end of the week, the forum will be locked (but still available to the public so they can look) and a new one will be opened.

Edit: The first post has been put up here.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

I have a feeling that a weekly would get overwhelmed in a short while causing overflow back onto the forums. Nobody really likes going through a 300 comment thread. Plus a weekly doesn't have the same ring to it that "Daily Duo" does. Links to the previous "DD" could be put in each new post. Then maybe the Dailies could be locked after a week (if necessary).

Well, I guess really the best way to discover what works best is to just try it out. Our own little A/B test. :D

But I really do think it would funnel some of the more trivial stuff away. And it could also have links to the FAQs, and maybe a "Current Events FAQ" too that can answer things like about the leagues or crowns, as well as how to search topics.

But brief. Questions in, answers out. Don't bog it down with 5000 word essay in the intro. :)


Edit: WOW! You move fast. I like that. :)

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DallasH88

Sometimes it is good to delete questions, for example one time I asked, "Do you like my picture?" and the site deleted it as spam.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

Well see, an Open Thread would be the perfect place to ask that question. Or at least that's what I think and envision.

July 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/This_Dark_Soul

Sorry, can you explain a little more?

July 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

Yes, I agree with you, it would be much better if users didn't delete their posts with questions because others can find it helpful and that way they don't have to waste their time asking the same question.

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/answoo500

I mean... it wouldn’t bother me......

July 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BlinkoPlayhouse

I'm new to Duolingo, and as such I haven't had any experience with the forums, but from what you have described in your post, I completely agree. Cheers :)

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Suppremer

I agree with this

July 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Just looking at the Spanish forum I notice a translation request has one answer and it looks good. This is terrific. This is how it should work; someone asks for help with their chosen language of study and they are answered.

On the downside it is two downvotes from oblivion. EDIT It's gone.

Yes people delete their own work though the -5 rule (I keep banging on about) is the greater menace imho.

July 13, 2019
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