Dark Mode for Lingots
There may be countless posts complaining about a lack of things to buy in the shop, and I'm not here to complain. Instead I have an idea: What if Duolingo had a Dark Mode option for purchase? Even though there are browser add-ons for making a Dark Mode, a dedicated one would be really nice and give us something to spend our Lingots on.
A Dark Mode swaps the color of text and background, for those who don't know. It makes it easier on the eyes, especially for night users. I am only explaining because it's apparently needed.
EDIT: For Firefox users, here are two great Dark Mode Add-ons that I use: Dark Mode and Dark Night Mode. I approve of their privacy, but if you are concerned about them, another option is the Mozilla recommended add-on Dark Reader, which is privacy focused. Any of the above work well, so try them out and see which you want to use. (I'm currently using all three, if you can believe that...)
dude i dont know why people are downvoting you (sorry, im conditioned for reddit) because all you are doing is sharing an idea. and its a good one. i like it. I SECOND THE NOTION.
It's been suggested many times before so some people are tired of seeing it.
Now that's a good point. Still, what does that mean though? That Duolingo is bad at taking in user feedback? Should I not post ideas on how this site could be improved just because the developers aren't listening and the users don't care to hear it?
This is something I have actually put a bit of thought into. Should we stop talking about ideas because they haven't been received by the dev team or should we keep pressing it until they take notice? On one hand, as other said, it is probably a bit annoying to talk about the same thing over and over. On the other hand, if we back down so easily then our voices will never be heard. It kind of promotes a defeatist attitude. Which in case you haven't noticed, is insanely common around here.
I've run into this problem before, although I've lost the post where I had the discussion on this topic. I get that this is a free language learning site but still, Duolingo has over 300 million active users, and it can be pushed to make it even better. That will only happen when/if they want it to though.
Also have a useless Lingot :)
@ J.Compean I think your logic is flawed.
How many people come and read the forum, and how many took the time to read, let alone upvote. vs total user ship is ridiculous. How many of the 300 million are active? More to the point, it is one thing to use the app, and entirely another to go to the forum, particularly to browse general comments and not exercise-specific Q&A? I would venture very few. Then of those that would visit the chance of them choosing to click on a suggestion...? I think 248 upvotes (especially given that some may have given -1 downvotes) is a fantastic indicator of an idea that deserves consideration.
And yes, I well understand what you were getting at as far as resource allocation as a product management decision. That idea escapes many. I only take deference to your numerical comparison to state insignificance.
It's a great idea / suggestion. I prefer most of my aps in dark mode, and finally it's becoming a widespread interest/option across a lot of apps and platforms.
AndySunshi, don't you do your job for profit? What's wrong with being paid for a service?
"Duolingo has over 300 million active users" I think you just made the argument against yourself. Look at how many people have upvoted you original post (248 as of this comment). Can you image if 248 people walked into the legislative body of any country with a similarly sized population (say the United States - 325 million), and recommended that or this action? To devote resources (tax dollars) to deliver a service that is only requested by a statistically insignificant segment of the population would be ethically questionable. I'm not saying no one should write on these forums about their suggestions for Duolingo; I personally really like hearing everyone's ideas for changes and new features.
You could make the same argument against wheel chair ramps - they're only required by a small fraction of the overall population, so why devote resources to them?
That an accessibility feature isn't needed by a majority of people doesn't mean that it shouldn't be implemented.
It's more that it should be a feature regardless of how many users there are, tbh. More and more, dark mode has been implemented into many sites, and while it's perhaps not quite standard yet, it would be a nice addition.
Your point is a good one, and I like it. Still, even Duolingo's posts themselves only get so many upvotes as well, indicating only a small percentage of users even bother with the forums. So while the people who liked my idea are indeed an incredibly small amount of the total userbase, they're actually a decent amount of the active forum users. Most importantly though: This feature is no new request. It's been asked for again and again, with no implementation as of yet.
The Duolingo Team hasn't really taken in many suggestions to my knowledge, and Dark Mode would be a great place to start.
"It's been suggested many times before so some people are tired of seeing it."
I'm sure that's true, but if that is the case, that kinda strengthens the argument for a Dark Mode, doesn't it? I mean, if people keep asking, then people still want.
They're called downvotes here as well. Anyway, I'm all for creating a lingot sink of some kind but I think if they're gonna add a dark mode they should just add it lol. I feel as though putting it behind lingots is kinda pointless. Then again, they put Duo outfits in the store so maybe aesthetic changes would go in the shop.
Thanks, I appreciate it. If I had to guess it may be because many users here only care about learning a language and nothing else. They may not care about the interface, the imbalance of this site's game mechanics, (I know it's not really a game but still) and people compare it to complaining anyway. What I think they want to hear is language advice, like grammar rules and examples as to when you'd use certain words.
I cannot provide much help in that area here on the English side of posts, but I try. I go to the English for Japanese Speakers side of the forums to help out best I can, but ultimately I'm not a scholar, so I guess many would prefer I don't use the forums? I don't just post "ideas for Duolingo", but I don't know. Maybe I'm just not understanding it right, but if so people should explain what it is that's actually wrong with my posts. Those people I appreciate. Oh well. Have a Lingot anyway, since there's nothing to spend them on.
❂ Am legally blind, but dark mode options are a help. Amazed at the support this option is getting!
Re: Jan139433 I have never seen these posts before. If you've been a regular on the forum for some time, then you will have seen repeat posts. Otherwise, they are new to other people.
So... Would you say my post is harming or not? I would assume it's relative, because some people benefit from viewing it while others become annoyed. What do you think?
If people are getting annoyed simply because they see a post they don't agree with, or a post asking a question they've seen before... My guess would be they just don't have anything better to do with their time than try to curate a forum they don't moderate.
Idk, maybe it's a control thing "I hate my job, but at least I can make a difference on the Duolingo forums!"
I think dark mode is a great idea!
Though I think a basic dark mode should be free because not having it could present a barrier to entry for some people who only get to study with Duo at night while they try to go to sleep.
Doulingo could also make other themes to spend our lingots on.
There's an idea: What if we could buy the retro themes and new themes as well? That'd be something interesting...
What would be rather good would be the opportunity to buy (with lingots) the 2011 graphics or the later graphics.
This is a feature that I'd love. I use dark mode for everything I have that supports it and would love to see it come to the site, even if I have to buy it with lingots. The extensions you can get are sort of nice, but everything seems a little wonky and on my laptop they're off at first. An official Duo dark mode would be a welcomed addition.
I've edited my original post to include links to both of my dark mode add-ons I use for Firefox. Hopefully users will find them useful.
I'm using Dark Reader for chrome and it works awesome. You still have a good idea, so please take one of my 1,587 lingots.
I was about to suggest something similar. It's not only easier for night use, it also helps us who have sight impairment.
On principle alone, I really don't think accessibility features for a website should be sold rather than made a standard (despite how ridiculously prosperous everyone is in their in-game currency).
Besides, making it saleable via Lingots, rather than just a universal feature, would make more work for Duo with absolutely no advantage.
Not a bad idea, although you shouldn't have to "buy" accessibility features - you may not be able to stay on the app long enough to earn enough lingots (or gems) if it isn't accessible. Accessibility for visually impaired is an overall problem on this site (I learned a lot about that when designing a page to be used by the VA), and should be available in settings to everyone. Or better yet, make sure the next re-design meets visual impairment accessibility standards over all, and perhaps have additional features for those with needs that the standard doesn't meet.
I came to say this. It's not fair to buy accesibility features everyone should have the right to use them. Lingots should be used for complementary features like extra lessons or aesthetic changes.
I think you are thinking on the good track. No complaints, just requesting. I up-voted you and totally agree. I anyway have tooo much lingots (2421) and AGREE!
I think that not only dark mode would be a good idea to add, but themes in all colors available for purchase in the shop (pink, yellow, high contrast, monochromatic, blue, etc.) Also I think the outfits for Duo should be added to the browser version as they are currently only available for purchase in the Duolingo app. +1 Lingot
They’re not in the iOS app either. And you get stupid amounts of lingots (actually “gems”) on there.
I like that you want to share your ideas and that you are doing so in a positive way. I am not a fan of people who can't do anything better than tear others down or complain without offering solutions. Kuddos for you trying. I have taken time to go through this thread and up vote where others have put negatives...my donation to you. I have also give you a few useless lingots just because I can't think of anything better to do with them. Keep making suggestions and don't give a twat over what negative people tell you. :)
I wish! I hate being on my laptop late at night doing Duolingo and the screen is just too bright. Even with the lowest brightness setting.
That's a pretty good idea. Except, I think it should be free and in the settings.
You're right. Perhaps other themes could be sold for Lingots but the basic and dark themes should be free.
I might be viewed as looking for trouble here, since I argued a month ago with you about the need for night mode, but I still am going to give your quote: “Can you produce anything that says nightmide is better for the eyes? Cause I can find plenty that says the opposite”. I don’t understand why you say that night mode should be free now when you had such a negative opinion before.
These seem like two completely unrelated issues.
But if you want to lump them together, doesn’t it make perfect sense that if I have a negative opinion on something I would also not want to not pay for it?
And also how is asking for proof that night/dark mode is better for the eyes a negative opinion? I use night/dark mode on many sites, but not because I feel it’s better for the eyes, but because I prefer the darker colours so they are more in line with the movie or game I am watching on the 2nd screen. So I don’t have a bright white screen next to a dark screen watching Netflix.
Maybe just drop it? If it’s just going to cause arguments?
To elaborate: I, on sending that post, thought that you were implying that you did not want dark mode, as you thought that it was bad for eyesight, which indicates that you do not think that it is worth using. I interpreted that as meaning that you did not think it should be implemented to Duolingo. Therefore, I was surprised when I saw your more recent message as it implies that you think that it should be on the website.
@A_Sesquipedalian I'm sorry, and I'm really not trying to sound ignorant here, but I don't remember that post? Do you still have a link for it by chance? I'd love to have a look at our conversation so I could expand a bit on it.
Based on just that quote alone, if I did send it, (which I honestly just don't remember, sorry) I'd assume what I meant was that while a Dark Mode is better than full brightness, being on a screen at night (especially with blue light) is generally still bad for the eyes. Nevertheless, I do believe it's necessary for some people, those who are asleep during the day and awake at night. I also use it before bed to reduce the amount of work my eyes have to do, just not into the night.
I'm not sure what the context for my post was though so if I could see the rest of the conversation I may be able to elaborate more.
Here it is: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32396302.
To be entirely honest about the comments above, I slightly regret the response to merkavar via this link- I feel that I might have been a bit too petty in my complaint.
Important Note: You weren’t the one who said that quote. You have no reason to apologise, I am sorry for being unclear.
OOOHHHH, you weren't talking to me, you were talking to Merkavar, lol. I'm sorry, I totally misread that, my bad. Thanks for clarifying.
really just themes in general would be a neat idea for lingot expenditure.
Everyone up vote, comment and give lingots to this fine comment so Duolingo staff will notice!
I'm glad enough that over a thousand people have seen this. I never expected this post to blow up like this, especially given it's start... Thank you very much for the kind words <3
I think that this idea has been mentioned before, but it is a great idea nonetheless! Dark Mode would help the night users, but Duolingo is most likely going to add in this feature for the premium users. Another thing to note is that Duolingo has an achievement for learning in the early mornings, which is why I wholeheartedly agree with you. Honestly, this idea deserves more upvotes. I (insert number here) the notion! :)
duolingo should put groups back but your group has to raise and donate to the group a set amount of lingots to remain an active group that would really work
they better have a dark mode cause I never realized how much a standard white screen murdered my eyes until I turned dark mode on for youtube
I agree that there are not enough things to buy in the shop! Please can we have more things to buy! I think it's a good idea, Chaos_Hawk !
Due to an illness that I must live with I deal with side effects of medicines. Most of my side effects are harmless like headaches. If a side effect was unreasonable I do put off study. In my personal case if I allow these things to halt or interfere with my life, I would not be able to really live.
I use duo to enjoy life, and pursue my language interests! Dark mode would be amazing! I would save EVERY lingot for it!
- NEVER put yourself at risk! - If you are feeling unwell to keep your health in mind when considering study! Missing a a few days or even a week is nothing over your well being!
@Chaos_Hawk Do you have a recommendation for a safe dark mode option for chrome that would work for duo just in case? I am nervous about adding extensions. I still plan to still plan to keep waiting and see how things go.
For Firefox and also for Chrome users:
This add-on offers not only night mode (dark),
but also streak notifications/reminders,
printing lesson notes,
writing custom lesson notes and
quick courses overview.
I have tried all of the aforementioned add-ons\extensions for their Firefox version.
I assume that the Chrome versions are also safe
(even though I have not tested them)
because each is by the same person who wrote the equivalent Firefox version.
Hope your health improves or at the very least remain stable and allow you to keep living your life to the fullest.
Thank you, @Gh0stwheel. I'm not that familiar with Chrome I'm afraid since I lean towards privacy browsing. That's cool that they have Chrome versions.
Also nice formatting :)
I want to thank you for the time you took to give me this advice. I also want to tank you for adding what you had not been sure of when it came to things that had been safe. That is very helpful! I really appreciate you adding your thoughts as well!
It shouldn't be for lingots, especially since the lack of a dark mode is in some cases honestly kind of an accessibility issue. I've got sensory issues which make using light websites hard sometimes -- I've been using the Dark Reader Firefox addon to combat that but not everyone is able to use an addon like that! And honestly that addon tends to sometimes work poorly for me, so I sometimes have to disable it.
Yes that is a great idea I was at 100 lingots and I had already bought everything so I started buying random freeze streaks and gifting random people lingots, it's getting boring man.
i agree. I too am a night user and a night mode would be something very useful for me to spend my earned lingots on.
It would also help with anyone with dyslexia or others, making Duolingo more open to more people...
I have to agree with the dark mode. In addition to that there should be options to change the color for lingots.
yes! i live that idea! me personally if there is a dark option i always use it!
Yep. I use Firefox and I have an add on that gives duolingo a dark mode for free, which is really nice, but I have a bunch of piled up lingots and I'd definitely spend some on an official duolingo dark mode
I honestly don't get why people are downvoting this post. Sure, if a lot of people post about it you'll get tired of seeing this, but if we don't keep asking, we'll never get Dark Mode. In my opinion, I'd love to have a Dark Mode available for Duolingo as well.
I'd also like this as an option. I tried out both of the dark mode add-ons you have in your post, and I just don't feel like either of them look good on Duolingo. I have also used add-ons that specifically say they're for Duolingo Dark Mode, and there's issues with many buttons and metrics being transparent. Having a dark mode optimized by the devs themselves would likely get around these issues. I understand that a lot of people would rather Duolingo focus on just language content and don't like a lot of the little changes they make, so it's not a priority for me, but it would be a welcome change.
Yeah, the add-ons are not perfect. Closest thing though. Customizing one for a specific site is time consuming, although someone has worked hard on Duolingo Dark Mode. (I have the add-on, just don't use it at the moment due to it not working for Firefox currently) Give it time and perhaps the devs will get on it.
Not a bad add-on, although it would really be nice to have a dedicated one made by the devs. I've tried 5 different dark mode add-ons on Duolingo, settling on 3 that I use currently. (Not just for Duolingo, but in general). They're in my post description.
Being a night owl, I love this idea. I’d like that option for all of my apps lol.
Bruh if we got a dark mode in here I'd be so happy not burning my eyes out at 1:00 AM
I am completely down for this. Dark mode is something I prefer on all platforms and I hope they take this into consideration.
This is a great idea!! I had a similar* idea previously... no, more like 20 similar ideas. When I have ideas, they come in floods... back on topic, the staff seem to be ignoring me, maybe I posted too many ideas.
Your profile picture indicates you must be creative...
Yeah, I have plenty of ideas but try to keep my mouth shut in general unless I find it important. You have lots of great ideas though that I wish Duolingo had.
Wow! He has the same number of upvotes as my phone number. The area code, I mean, just the first three digits. But that is still a lot of upvotes!
I like dark modes. However, I think it should be a basic feature of any app and not something to earn...
My workaround to have dark mode (ANDROID) is to invert my colors so it is completely black! just use the invert-colors setting on your phone. If you don't have such setting, install an app that does this :)
I like the idea of having something to buy, and I like the idea of dark mode, but I don't think basic UI features are something that should be purchased. Like, I'd be happy to buy a pirate theme, but I shouldn't have to spend 100 lingots to make my eyes comfortable while I learn.
It seems like Duolingo has prioritized adding languages and iterating on the UI over adding gamification. I can't speak to whether that is a good or bad decision, but I am pretty confident that it is just a matter of priorities. I'd be curious to hear why - I generally assume it's just a matter of "languages lead to user acquisition, gamification doesn't".
I pitched this Idea a while back in a different thread. It would kill two birds with one stone
Provides new things to buy
Gives it 's users something they want
It's a perfect idea, but they probably wouldn't do it no matter how much we complain.
Omg YESSS that would be so nice!!! I tend to study every morning and every night, and while the white is okay in the morning, at night it can be kinda ughhhh.
Honestly, if it was an option, I'd just leave night mode on all day - like I do with Twitter and Discord! xD
It would be nice if you could also give us the links for these add-ons in chrome. Do you know if such exist?
I've posted all of the Chrome links (and a few extra) in a previous reply to the same request.
Follow this link to see them:
https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/These are the links you are looking for
The links are in my two comments above this ⤒ link to Chaos_Hawk's reply.
I feel they will add dark mode to the IOS version after IOS 13 comes out IOS 13 has a dark mode
It would certainly be smart for the app, but what about the desktop site?
Neither would be difficult at all. A dark mode is as simple as changing colors from light to dark. Either the staff doesn't read the forums or the designers decided against it for branding purposes :/
awesome idea! Anything worth lingots is a motivation! THough it could also be a product of plus...
This is a good idea... like every other thing that users ask duo for. personally, since there isn't really anything to spend on, I hoard. MHAHAHAHA!!! but it would be cool to have something to spend them on :)
That's actually an awesome idea! I always try to use night mode on a web page when possible but it's a shame that so few web pages have that option.
I just want to comment that here is an app called Twilight that is very useful for dark reading. I have been using it for years. One problem for me is that the setting i use in Twilight, makes the yellow text impossible to read. Maybe there are tweaks I can do. Anyways, it's just a suggestion for a temporary solution.
Because I commented on this topic, and because I have email notifications enabled, I have been receiving notifications every day today. Just in the last few minutes it seems like I'm getting one every minute or so. This is crazy.
Yeah, I've had it the same way. Woke up this morning to my inbox flooded and thought "Wow, that one exploded..."
That dark mode for Firefox coes not work at all with screen readers such as the narrator. I know what you're gonna say, why would you want to? Well, let's just say I would like it to. I also know that you might say, how is this relevant over here? It's not, just felt like saying something.
Sounds like a good idea :) I've got tons of lingots sitting around doing nothing ;)
What am I supposed to be doing with these Lingots? I bought a gold tracksuit but have no idea where to view and enjoy the little bird man wearing it. Seems like a waste.
The little Duo appears in motivational messages (when you get right 5 or 10 answers in row).
Although it doesn’t wear it anymore, on the website it doesn’t have clothes and on the app it has a sweatband.
I think this is a good idea, because if not then some people are straining their eyes when they could just have the option of having a dark mode.
it is fine with this site, I love it , I appreciate it , thanks the owner of this site, danke, dont get dissapointed with bad comments, the number of subcriber shows confidence in your work. sorry for my broken english but hopeful i explain myself well. danke owner and your team.
It's 2019 and there are still websites without a Dark Mode. It's infuriating.
also the skill levels be the colors that you want. For example if you don't want the gold or orange (bronze) color for the skill medals you can make them any favorite color that you want. Youu get choices of colors. maybe even two or more choices. Can have a rainbow of colors even add block or brown if want alos add the yellow and orange if you want it. Maybe make them the color of gems like the league colors are.
I was thinking about this as well! Perhaps a reward for finishing a certain tree would be really cool too. Beautiful French cities as a background theme for finishing the French tree, etc. I wouldn't mind paying lingots for those themes either.
Chrome has an extension that makes any website dark mode. It's called "Dark Reader", it's not perfect, but gets the job done.
They have progress quizzes you can spend lingots on.
Not in Irish. They want you to join Plus for doing extra exercises.
Great idea, except one thing: I think Duolingo should instead offer the option of dark mode in the settings right from the start. Because for those with light sensitivity... it's not a "fun feature"... Its something quite necessary...
However, if those two add-ons are still a concern for anyone reading this, another option is the Mozilla recommended add-on Dark Reader, which is privacy focused. I've updated my post description to include this one as well.
A fundamental permission you have to give add-ons is permission to access all the sites you visit (because it's supposed to darken them, of course). Just make sure you actually read any provided privacy policies and permission listings to stay safe :P
thank you. Was going to try and research that as the majority of add-ons for good not to have knee-jerk reaction due to news stories about unrelated products.
Mozilla's advice: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tips-assessing-safety-extension
It's still going...
By the way that Dark Night mode for Firefox doesn't work properly. Looks like they forgot to invert the color on interactable objects such as buttons, so that the text on said buttons appears as white on white. Also, highlighted links still appear as blue on black, which is not the easiest thing to see.
Yeah, it doesn't look the best. Still, gets the job done. The other ones I recommended have their own pros and cons :-/
Also yeah, I may need to mute this thread to save my inbox XD
I would also very much like to see this. I use duo lingo and memrise to help me fall asleep. I am sure my partner in crime would appreciate it if it wasn't so bright and so would I.
I think it should be available to every one and agree it should just be an accessibility thing, but perhaps to sweeten the pot for implementation it could be provided to Plus subscribers? Not my favorite idea but it may help to encourage people to invest in an excellent teaching tool that has helped a lot of people for free over the years.
Edit: btw, Memrise just implemented a dark mode ^_^ so excited.
People say "test" when they want to see if something works. LorenaMGB wants to know if their post works. Lorena MGB says "test" to find out.
I don't know why LorenaMGB wants to test. Posting works fine.
A night mode, where the background is black instead of white to make it easier on the eyes. It could be added for free of course (that would be nice) but it could also be something to spend Lingots on as well.
I'm quite curious how any site would implement the entire dark web into their site. Especially considering most of it is not indexed by normal web crawlers.
Not many people understand how the Dark Web or the Deep Web actually work. That's fair though, I didn't know until awhile ago, and no I don't use either.
it was what we English call "a joke".
It was not sarcasm. It was a pun, a play on words. Language is what this site is about, and language learning CAN be fun! Sorry this comes out of sequence - the original comment followed JSG's post and your response allows no further comment.
It is difficult to see sarcasm using nothing but text. I was not trying to say you didn't know what the Dark Web/Deep Web is, and even took into consideration that it may have been a joke. None the less, I wasn't sure, hence my neutral response.
As a side note, I'm a native English (American) speaker, and am slightly concerned as to your, quite frankly, insensitive remark. There are millions of users here who are all trying to learn how to communicate via dozens of languages.
I'm not mad or anything, just trying to remain logical. Downvote if you want, I don't really expect to get upvotes here and I honestly don't care. I'm just trying to learn and share what I've learned, because that's productive. It's kind of the point of this site, to be honest.
Yeah, this whole thing is super out of sequence now but just thought I'd mention that I've found a way around that reply button vanishing: If you reply to the highest comment in that branch, the reply button will appear and you can then delete your junk post. I don't know why it works but it does for me at least.
In response to your actual post though, no worries about the pun. Sorry if I came off as accusatory.
Wow! That really works. Cool! I was always wondering how to fix the reply button issue!
Hu? I guess I broke the system and now the replies show up on the left... What?
This is odd... I don't think you even can reply to this comment! Try it.
Using the trick I just taught you, I think it goes on forever. (Although the screen will eventually not display it ideally)
Yeah, the display is odd... Weird. I've never seen a reply chain this long before. It looks like it's coded to default back to the primary position when it runs out of scripted increments to the right. Funny, you really do learn something new every day on Duolingo.