https://www.duolingo.com/ceaer

Vocabulary is back!

At least for some people - I now have a "Words" tab between "Home" and "Activity".

You can sort the list alphabetically, by skill, by time last practiced, or by strength.

Hover over the word for the definition.

I can't seem to click on the words though - no way to practice an individual word. Although the general "Practice Weakest Words" button is back.

June 11, 2014

42 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

Thank goodness.
I don't know if I'm happier the Vocabulary tab is back or happier that people will no longer be asking every day why there isn't one/when it's coming back.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

I'm certainly happier that people wont be asking for it everyday. But soon you'll see people asking for more features for the vocab tab. In less than a day you'll see someone asking for a search function

You're also likely to see people complaining that the new vocab tab is worse than the previous one!!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

That is true. This function lacks some of the functionality of the old vocabulary tab, I'm surprised to see it bring up words, that according to it I haven't practiced in 11 months. It sure gives some insight into some of the odd behavior or skill decay.
But I think you are correct. With this new information I can easily see comment, "DL says my weakest word is XXXXX, but it never shows up in Strengthen Skills"

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

Yes, that is one of the reasons I was glad that it had gone away. There were dozens of threads about people complaining that the "skill decay looks incorrect, the words aren't being practiced, it isn't showing the correct strength", and so on.

There were many long complaint "essays" about the inadequacies of the existing vocabulary tab. I'm sure those will return too.

P.S. On the bright side I'll love to see people arguing about what features and what things should and shouldn't be included. There'll be some life back in the forums for a while.

Nothing sparks more arguments than grammar and vocabulary in this site.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/JoshuaBowers

As it should on a language learning website.

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/pont

Agreed! Actually, I never used to use it before it disappeared, but in its redesigned form it looks a lot more attractive to me... maybe I'll give it a go this time round.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist

Tough one!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

We're currently running an ab test for this new vocab page :) Some of you will see it!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/selamDuo

I have it for German for English speakers course, but not for English for Turkish speakers course. Is that normal?

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/bchan

Yes, that is intended for now - thanks!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/fsdf7987987

When will it become available for everyone?

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/theduolingan

This is the best news in months. Thanks Kristinmec :-)

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/andrew974v

HERE IS THE SCREENSHOT FOR SOME OF YOU WHO CAN'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist

That looks amazing. I hope it rolls out quickly!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl

Wow, I want it! Now!!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/matson

what's the URL?

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/pont

Well spotted! I suspect that your discussion is going to set some kind of upvote record :-).

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/KansasBurri

Well there goes about 70% of the complaints about Duolingo in the Discussion. Woo hoo! Finally I can really practice tackling those adverbs.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexisLinguist

No way, seriously? I need my side to hurry and update! Great news!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

I don´t have it yet but I bet some folks will be flipping for joy upon seeing this.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/ceaer

I'm still waiting for the scorecard feature - I wonder if there's an overlap (people who have both features) or if it's 50/50 with people getting one or the other at first as they're both rolled out.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

I have the scorecard but not the vocab. I personally enjoy the scorecard a lot but don't know that I´ll use vocab much. I prefer Anki for building vocab, but to each his own.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

If they didn't have overlap, it would be a pretty poor test. How would they know if the scorecard or the words tab affected user behavior.

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK

Good Lord! Yes, I have it as well.

Good work, DL, but what about Immersion?

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

What does immersion have to do with the vocabulary?

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

There's a beta version of Immersion that's been rolled out and it's quite unpopular. I don't have it, myself, but there are a lot of folks clamoring for the old version.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator

I see. That's the problem with users, they never really know what they want. Some people were clamoring for vocabulary whenever just about any new feature was released. Now that there is a vocabulary section, they want updates/fixes in immersion (or somewhere else).

P.S. For those who may not understand how DL does its AB (beta) testing, or why it takes so long (1-2 months generally) unless the problem is serious, see this Duolingo explanation video.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

I think calling it beta testing is confusing a lot of people.
What DL is really doing is AB testing, meaning a percentage of users get the feature, a percentage do not.
If the feature is beneficial, everyone will get it in it's current state.
If the feature is not beneficial, no one will get it.

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

I suspect that as long they find that this feature isn't detrimental, it will stay just to avoid the inevitable barrage of complaints if it were to go away again. It appears that they only implemented this list now to placate those of us clamoring for the return of the old vocab tools. Given the lack of the old vocab tool's most useful features, I doubt the current incarnation makes much of a difference to their metrics one way or another, so everyone will probably get the current version. The lack of measurable benefits, however, will be used to justify future refusals to put any dev effort into the tools.

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June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Latviete

I think some of us do know exactly what we want - to keep aspects of the site that work fine for us the way they are, instead of having to deal with the loss of some features and unwanted changes to others. Personally, I've been here for a little over a year, and the only complaints I've ever had about the site have been centred on changes to the interface that made my experience worse than it was before.

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Latviete

I've seen that article before, but I don't think it really makes sense to compare user feelings about different versions of an existing product to expectations of something totally new that's still in development.

I never claimed that everyone has the same wishes for the site. I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair to dismiss complaints about unwelcome changes - whether to the vocab page or the immersion interface - as "users never really know what they want." I wouldn't presume to tell duolingo how to redesign the site, but I do feel qualified to say whether one version of some feature works better for me than another does. There may very well be stuff going on at the back end that necessitates the changes, but "sorry, we can no longer give you what you liked because the current architecture can't support it" is not at all the same as "your opinion is invalid, you don't know what you want."

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/KansasBurri

Is it just me or does it seem to take less questions answered correctly doing strengthen words to get your skills back to golden than when you do regular timed practice?

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/coldasice26

Some words don't make sense to me in my current Words list, one of the weak words is Hermana or Hermanos and more of those simple and continously words used by duolingo. I am using repition heavily so I never have lessons to repeat so I am not worried about this, but this this does not make sense....

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Hyla_bifurca

Awesome!

June 11, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Spaceowl42

I don't see it... I cleared my cache and I still see nothing... Any advice? Happy learning! -Spaceowl42

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

Only a percentage of users currently have access to it.

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Spaceowl42

Oh! :( Thanks! Happy learning! -Spaceowl42

June 12, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/koushik72

Is it only for Spanish? Because in my German course there is no Vocabulary tab between 'Home' and 'Activity'.

June 13, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/ceaer

No, but it's only for a certain percentage of people at the moment. It's in testing. I have it in Portuguese.

June 13, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/koushik72

I think that it probably depends upon the streak and XPs. People with higher XPs and long streaks are getting that till now. I think so.

June 13, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Margolf

apparently it is still only deployed to SOME users- I am running windows 7 professional, IE 11- and there is no vocabulary tab

August 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/_pinkodoug_

It is being AB tested. A group of users is randomly assigned to the test group and the rest serve as a control group. OS and browser choice do not appear to be a factor in whether or not a user is assigned to a test.

August 28, 2014
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