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Samoan vs. Hawaiian

Hello, any Samoan speakers out there? I was wondering about the similarity of Hawaiian to Samoan. I learned the latter 30 years ago in Peace Corps. I can still speak a bit but forgot 90 - 95%. I am checking out Hawaiian to see if learning this would help recover some Samoan. In the first 5 minutes, I am doubtful! Grammar and word structure as well as pronunciation may be similar but haven't looked into it enough. Some vocab is definitely different.

Do any of you have any info or comments about the similarities and differences between these two languages? Fa'afetai (= Mahalo)

July 22, 2019

4 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danfur65

I speak neither but...

English

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Samoan

O tagata soifua uma ua saoloto lo latou fananau mai, ma e tutusa o latou tulaga aloaia faapea a latou aia tatau. Ua faaeeina atu i a latou le mafaufau lelei ma le loto fuatiaifo ma e tatau ona faatino le agaga faauso i le va o le tasi i le isi.

Hawaiian

Hānau kū'oko'a 'ia nā kānaka apau loa, a ua kau like ka hanohano a me nā pono kīvila ma luna o kākou pākahi. Ua ku'u mai ka no'ono'o pono a me ka 'ike pono ma luna o kākou, no laila, e aloha kākou kekahi i kekahi.

Some more comparisons if you're interested...

Maori

Ko te katoa o nga tangata i te whanaungatanga mai e watea ana i nga here katoa; e tauriterite ana hoki nga mana me nga tika. E whakawhiwhia ana hoki ki a ratou te ngakau whai whakaaro me te hinengaro mohio ki te tika me te he, a e tika ana kia meinga te mahi a tetahi ki tetahi me ma roto atu i te wairua o te noho tahi, ano he teina he tuakana i ringa i te whakaaro kotahi.

Tongan (most similar to Samoan apparently)

Ko e kotoa 'o ha'a tangata 'oku fanau'i mai 'oku tau'ataina pea tatau 'i he ngeia mo e ngaahi totonu. Na'e fakanaunau'i kinautolu 'aki 'a e 'atamai mo e konisenisi pea 'oku totonu ke nau feohi 'i he laumalie 'o e nofo fakatautehina.

Tahitian

E fanauhia te tā'āto'ara'a o te ta'atātupu ma te ti'amā e te ti'amanara'a 'aifaito. Ua 'ī te mana'o pa'ari e i te manava e ma te 'a'au taea'e 'oia ta ratou ha'a i rotopū ia ratou iho, e ti'a ai;

July 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AualaLaupapa

Thanks for your research. Not very similar based on these translations, but that passage does have some difficult words and concepts. I am seeing some similarities in the few lessons I have done. Haw / Samoan hale / fale Akua / Atua kakou / tatou

July 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/okolenui

Aloha e @AualaLaupapa, using Hawaiian language learning as a means to remember Sāmoan probably would not work too well...

Although they are related as being a part of the Oceanic>Polynesian language families, they diverge after that splitting into Samoic (where Samoan is), Ellicean, and Eastern Polynesian (where Hawaiian is).

At this point, there are too many distinctions between those family groups to be able to remember one from learning another from another family group. It may be "easier" to "remember" Tahitian from Hawaiian, or Hawaiian from Māori, for example.

August 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AualaLaupapa

Thanks for the comment. Based on the little I have done in Hawaiian and the comment above from Danfur, I think you are right! There may many words that are similar or even identical and some similar grammar structure, but to a not-native speaker of either, they look quite different.

Here are some interesting references that I just looked up. The first has audio of 3 languages (towards the bottom of the page). The 2nd also hows how the numbers, at least, are quite similar in these many related languages. I met a Samoan last year and was surprised how much I could I could speak given that it had been 28 years since living in Samoa. I was there 2 years with Peace Corps and was fairly adept. Having already previously learned 4 foreign languages (pre Duo Lingo!), I was a motivated and capable learner. Interesting info in these links, but in summary, as you said, Hawaiian won't help me a lot!

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-Samoan-M%C4%81ori-and-Hawaiian-Do-they-have-the-same-language-Is-M%C4%81ori-a-country-Which-language-among-the-3-would-be-the-most-useful

https://www.languagesoftheworld.info/oceania-and-madagascar/speak-hawaiian.html

August 2, 2019
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