https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexaucamp97

Stop making me "learn" all the letters, I want to learn actual words and phrases!

I don't understand why there isn't an option to not have to tell duo that you can read "nuun" or "lubb" in Arabic about 50,000 times, it's irritating and pointless, it doesn't even tell us what these words mean if they even are words and not just random sounds.

July 25, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TywkKh

Yeah, i see the same problem. I already did an arabic course at university, so I learned the alphabet. Since I forgot some of it, I learned it again at home. The problem now is you can do shortcuts but you can't test out of these lessons! I go on "Country 1" or "Omar is ..." and still most of the lessons there are alphabet practices. Of course this is important but there has to be an option to cut this part shorter. I really like the app and how it teaches you a language but it bores me so much to repeat the same alphabet practices for 80 or more times.

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/oreulman

Since this is a beta course it would be unwise to expect a flawless operation or structure. I do agree that it is absolutely important to become comfortable with the arabic characters and link them to the sounds, but if this is the aim, the exercises are clearly misguided. The exercises where one arabic word is shown and several pronunciation options are suggested can all be answered just by listening and comparing what one hears with the suggestions. Arguably useful for learning the latin character representation of the arabic sounds, but not for linking the arabic written word with its pronunciation. Removing audio playback of the word's pronunciation might force the learner to mentally or actually pronounce it and then choose the appropriate option. I wonder if there is somewhere one can suggest improvements or changes to the course. Also, repetition is essential in the teaching of certain skills that require some degree of mental automation, such as driving or speaking a new language, but is by no means the mother of education, unless one defines education so loosely that certain forms of enslavement would be included.

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ali206173

I looked up the help centre topic on giving feedback/ reporting issues with the course an it said for isus with the course in general ( ie not a problem with a specific sentence or translation), then post it on the Discussion form and the course designers will pick it up from there -so hopefully your suggestions are picked up!

July 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chorpcn

Completely agree, they should model it after the Hebrew course (another Semitic language).

July 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lukas.tu

Well, there is the saying "repetition - mother of education". You have to learn and repeat especially the very basics to feel comfortable in reading and understanding the following more complex structures of the language. Good luck!

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexaucamp97

I'm saying I'm already comfortable reading Arabic, it's not like the "alphabet" (technically an abjad) gets any more complex, my point is it's hard to glean any understanding when you're just repeating isolated words with no connection to anything else, we aren't even taught any grammar rules, no where does it explain the tanween you hear in the audio. repetition is not the mother of education at all, understanding is, repitition is where minds go to die

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lukas.tu

If you are so comfortable about reading and understanding maybe try other language learning options. Because for majority of people Arabic and similar languages are the most hard to learn and i think this course are trying to focus on that not on people who can clearly read and understand what are they reading.

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexaucamp97

my point is that there is hardly any vocab or grammar here, which is basically what a language is made of, I understand that the writing needs to be taught, but I don't see why the writing tests with zero meaningful content has to show up when I'm trying to do a lesson on descriptive words for example

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alex789222

Couldn't agree more.

July 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kate112397

Yes Arabic is very difficult but the alphabet is not, its very straight forward and is just a matter of memorizing the letters :) I'm super bad at languages and I just sat down and memorized them in a day. Its the rest of the language that is challenging for me (random plurals, strange grammar rules, confusing tenses, gendered nouns, case endings and so on). Why not have us match Arabic words to their translation in English (rather than transliteration) it will still teach letter and word recognition and we will be learning something beneficial to progress.

July 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PozziFrancesca

ABSOLUTELY AGREE: Why not have us match Arabic words to their translation in English (rather than transliteration) it will still teach letter and word recognition and we will be learning something beneficial to progress

July 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MurielDE

Lukas, you nailed it. I would add that you'll learn a lot more Arabic down the line IF you can read it. After all, you want to be able to at least read signs, even if it is your own corner store rather than Damascus or Dakar.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daal39
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I also think that it is perfectly reasonable to want to be able to test out of exercises that are too easy, and in fact the option exists to "take a shortcut." IMO Duo typically does not do a good job teaching alphabet and other writing systems anyway. I have generally found that it is better to learn the writing systems elsewhere before starting a Duo class. For Arabic, there is a free app called TenguGo Alphabet which does a good job teaching the Arabic letters. Since I am a beginner at Arabic, I don't mind the extra practice on Duolingo, but if I had had to do so many dull letter matching exercises in Russian for example, I wouldn't have continued the course.

July 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alnawelnaw

I know right, like they should at least give definitions. But I'm not complaining as much since Arabic is spoken in my home so I recognize some words. I will say though that the exercises are good for pronunciation.

July 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John-_-Williams

They're Arabic letters. It's just to teach you how to pronounce different letters in Arabic. If you already know the Arabic alphabet, you can test out.

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/schokolade

Having now tried the Arabic course, I can understand the complaint here.

The topics seem to be split into two halves. One half of the lessons do nothing except ask you to match random words (which you never find out the meaning of) to their pronunciation (e.g. "yashuf", "3atiim", "wabaa2", "ghaab") and the other half of the lessons are the usual things like "Bob is American", "Carrie is a doctor").

The first four topics are supposedly Alphabet 1-4, but I am now on the 12th topic (out of 31, so nearly halfway) and it is still teaching the alphabet.

That means there isn't a point where you can test out of the alphabet unless you also know enough vocabulary and grammar... in which case you're going to test out of most of the course.

July 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Antonella562423

Hi, I am now at level 5/5 by skipping and testing out, in the Duolingo free of charge option. Are there other levels if I start duolingo plus? Does it get more conversational later on, I mean with longer sentences and discussion? Thanks

July 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/oreulman

You can't test out.

I have finished the tree long ago and these pointless exercises keep popping up and filling approximately half of the practice lessons.

July 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Slavyanskiy7

Have you thought that there may be people who don’t know the Arabic script and that they need it to help recognize it?

July 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexaucamp97

if you read my original post, I said why isn't there AN OPTION to skip the script learning part, of course if you can't read the script then by all means practice until you can.

July 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PozziFrancesca

I agree. I am on topic 11 and am getting quite annoyed at the matching pairs of words/sounds with no meaning. Repetition is good, learning the alphabet and the sounds of the different letters and their position is good. But the amount in this course is a bit too much. If you opt out, you also opt out of "sentences" for the entire level, so that's not good. I am on "Phrases" and Description 3 and still doing A LOT of alphabet practices and I only know a handful of arabic words.

At some point you have to move on learning new words, especially some that can be used for communication, and grammar.

So I would recommend reducing the number of exercises involving the alphabet after the first few topics.

Thanks !!

If someone needs more practice, they can always hit the "practice" button for each topic and train more.

July 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ali206173

I agree that it would be more helpful to have more meaning and context to the words to help learning. And an option to go 'lite' on the script learning if all you need is a refresher. The technique/ approach used here is a classic one for those who are brand new to a script and need to develop literacy but as you say, not all users of Duolingo Arabic lessons will be starting from zero. ( I teach English to learners whose mother languages don't use roman font or who never learned to read and write in their own script so I can see the same literacies methodolgies that my teaching materials use).

July 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/etlel

For instance: I'm in the countries module, 4th crown, and I have seen maybe three countries up to now, all the other exercises were alphabet. If it can't be concentrated in the first modules, at least they should be concentrated in the first crowns so we can skip them by doing a test.

August 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MurielDE

Well, the course is still in Beta form and it's not yet quite as versatile as other languages.

August 11, 2019
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