What I wish Duolingo would do
I have been thinking of writing this post for a very long time but held of because of fear of downvoting. This is what I wish duolingo would do instead of these never ending "improvements"
Lengthen and refine the Hawaiian and Navajo courses. Very nice languages, but you can't learn them in 12 skills.
Add more languages, there are thousands of people willing to help contribute. Every day it seems we get questions on the forums "I speak Persian, where can I help contribute?" If people want to make a course let them make it.
Stop "Improving" things that were fine, then the test outs went away, leagues were ushered in, and my self esteem fell. I know it sounds dumb but its incredibly irritating seeing myself at the bottom of the leaderboard because I work and have responsibilities and can't do Duolingo every waking moment.
Keep levels. I have been fearing that Duolingo would remove levels and usher in crowns as the main system. This would utterly crush me.
Stop changing the website. Honestly, I want to be able to see my own levels on my profile. Thanks duo! It seems things are getting less useful and more decorative
Thanks for reading!
EDIT: I forgot one thing
- Lengthen and improve the courses we already have. Maybe add another 30 skills full of vocab on the the Russian tree, perhaps update the Italian tree, the Chinese tree needs some work, as does the Indonesian tree, the Romanian tree could use more vocab, and overall, I think to add 10-30 skills to each tree wouldn't harm anyone. Even if its just vocabulary.
- I forgot to add, make stories for the other languages, not every language at first but how about we start with the hardest, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Romanian, and Swahili. Then overtime we can eventually have stories for all of the languages!
I feel like Duo has a tendency to change things instead of improve on existing systems. Such as getting rid of clubs for leagues, phasing out levels for crowns, getting rid of activity streams, etc. I have never before in my entire life seen such an unstable learning environment. If you guy are going to make major changes, can they at least be changes we actually want or asked for???
I like the leagues more than the clubs, I do like the crowns but I dont understand why they removed the levels. Sometimes I write comments on here just to see what level I am at in a certain language. Why cant I just look that up? And I hate that they removed the article translator. I would actually pay for that, and have said so in many comment threads about it. Those articles helped me understand portuguese and german far more than the tree did. Plus it was fun, and constantly original.
I didn't know that you can see which level you're at if you post, thank you. Of course that is the only reason why I am replying...that and to say that the crowns make no sense to me...
The crowns make no sense except for when they change the trees and your progess/skills get wiped you get to remember you actually did this once already.
dinska Exactly! Still licking my wounds about my French. I'm almost at the start again!
i dont understand what the crowns for , we level up to earn them then what ???
You can see at which level you are by following this: settings-> learning language-> remove or reset languages. Just be careful not to delete a language.
Yes, I agree because I really miss my Spanish clubs and my daily interchanges. There were a lot of members who didn’t join in, though and many of these would become inactive very quickly. I wonder how the leagues are doing in that respect.
¡ESTOY TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO! I really miss the bots feature too, I remember duolingo saying they’d bring it back but they haven’t even done anything yet. They’ve just added a totally bs leagues system that is designed so spammers and hackers are the only ones at the top among many other things that are a disgrace to the former Duolingo. I can’t wait for good spanish classes this school year!
You can see what level you are at by going into the settings and looking at the "learning language" page
“ I have never before in my entire life seen such an unstable learning environment. If you guy are going to make major changes, can they at least be changes we actually want or asked for???”. Based on experience, no.
Each language course is developed independently of each other. The courses are developed by volunteers according to their abilities and time tables. I've heard rumours of a new Hawaiian tree in A/B testing, but take that with a grain of salt.
This ties in with that first one. Course contributors have to be qualified in ways other than bilingualism, but please don't hesitate from applying if you think you're qualified to build a new course from scratch. There's also a whole approval process that has to be taken into consideration.
3-5. You'd have to take that up with the design team, which you can't exactly. Don't know why, don't know how.
I have been seeing people volunteering for Persian since 2017. Come on, some of those people have to be qualified. Also I think there should be a set minimum of skills before a course is released. For example, there has to be 40 skills before a course can be released into betta. Duolingo should want their courses to be effective and helpful. I am sorry but a course with 10 skills isn't going to be helpful to the serious learner
on the apply to be a contributor, Lingala is not an option you can put, also how many people have voted for lingala? I think since lingala has more than 30 million speakers, it would be a great language to add. Here are my reasons to add it https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33300663-
The number is closer to 70 million. When applying, you have to click "contribute to a course". When the dropdown is xxx for yyy speaker, select "other" and type in "Lingala".
I have just applied to be a Lingala contributor, any thoughts on how long it takes for it to be in the incubator? or when I can start contributing Thx
There seems to be an A/B test going on with the Hawaiian tree - I have a version that is quite a bit longer than 12 skills. I agree that the Navajo tree needs to be lengthened, sound needs to be added. There are quite a few languages in the incubator, and they periodically add more. I think, before more languages are added, that the problems they have with some of the ones already on the site need to be addressed. Some languages have/had really bad English translations, not just awkward as in teaching you the other language's structure awkward, but absolutely wrong and nonsensical. I agree that there have been a lot of changes for a program that is less than ten years old - maybe letting it settle down for a while would be a good thing.
My Hawaiian tree has 17 skills (and has done for quite some time); do you have any more than this? I assumed that everyone had this tree.
17 skills is still woefully few, although at least it's better than the Navajo tree. Hawaiian seems still to have genuine contributors, so I hope it is still being developed; the Navajo course unfortunately appears to have been abandoned by all the native speakers initially recruited to create it.
Yes :) I would like to see two things: 1. My own levels on my profile and.. 2. ..how many XP I need to get to reach the next level.
Don't fear downvoting. We all get them at one time or another. If you get a Fiver and it disappears from public view, you and others can still see it if you have Followed it. Then you have your own private chat room. But I digress...
Your title scared me as it seems the perfect set up for a joke that could get one banned. But you have listed some good concerns and proposals.
Thank you Songve, it isn't a joke and I don't see any reason it could get me banned. I raise legit concerns and opinions as well as proposals.
No, not you. Me, you know I like to joke around a lot. Your title seemed like a straight man set up for a goofy guy like me. "I wish Duolingo would take their fast spoken sentences and ...."
I hate the leagues and miss the teams. But I'm very happy they added Hindi for English speakers, though it needs to be expanded. I also wish they would add pronunciations to the Irish course. All in due time, I suppose.
Yeah, but the Hindi tree only has 32 skills, and it's been out for at least a year. That's almost the same number as Arabic, a language that's been out for a few months. And their excuse for not teaching much vocab in that tree is pathetic. They say that Hindi speakers mix in a lot of English words, so you don't need to know that much Hindi vocab. WTF?
@AlexShih1, yes, I think it should be mandatory to have at least 40 skills. The trees need to be effective!
Agree with what you have said in your post. I have been looking at other language learning sites because all of these constant changes are annoying and interfere with enjoying learning language since i have to adapt to the changes instead.
And please remove the congratulatory bird that pops up. I believe this is new, and it is so distracting.
yes I'm hating that distraction too.. Im finding myself on a nice roll and then suddenly a bird pops up. urgh
Good points, WS. I just wish they would tell us in advance about improvements and bunch them in one release at a time. Now, I'm just totally taken by surprise when there's suddenly a new feature or even a totally re-designed tree. The only heads-up I get is from the nice people here who post about a change and that's because changes are released on the phone apps at different times from the web.
Bucky? Is that you? Heh heh. Just a bit of a Marvel joke. Yeah, I've only been here for a few months, and I was annoyed by the fact that I have to make a comment to know my level now.
Glad you decided to go ahead and write the post regardless of the feedback you might receive.
@JLuxe1, yes it is me!! And yes, thank you, I always feel the need to speak my mind
I’ve seen a lot change I don’t really like and have asked Duolingo to bring back. At the very start you could test yourselves against friends in a timed response thing which was amazing, and if no one was online you could do a timed run which I know they’ve half brought back that but you have to use lingots. Before it was free and amazing. Practicing before also used to add to your skills on the skills tree. Now not. Even though it is still adding to your knowledge. I hate Duolingo plus. I know a company has to make money somewhere but limiting the previous platform to do so sucks. Three or four skills would download themselves for offline practice before and now it is a feature I can only use if I pay. Yes fix the bugs and look at sentence ordering because they differ a lot in languages but Duo is stuck in a certain pattern.
I do like the Duo stories though, I wish some were longer, and I like the forum.
YES to more content (as you said, even if just vocab) would be so helpful! I would also like to see an option to focus on key useful phrases for travelling, as I think many people are motivated to learn a new language before a trip to a foreign country and may not have a lot of time to build their language skills before they go. I know the 3 months of DL I did prior to a trip to Italy was helpful, but an hour on Memrise gave me more key phrases that I was immediately using once I arrived (such as "excuse me, is there wifi here?") I definitely could have used more essential travel phrases (where are the bathrooms, I'm sorry, how much is this, what time is the next bus...). I think DL instead more slowly builds a stronger foundation for understanding how a language works, but learning more immediately useful vocabulary (rather than "the elephants eat" etc) builds confidence for actually speaking the language sooner and USING what I've learned is my goal.
I totally agree! Thank you for posting! The one problem I could possibly have is: The Norwegian course doesn't need to be lengthened, because it has been consistently added to...to the point where it's about 10 skills longer than when I started, which is discouraging, because when I started, I felt like I could see success...but not anymore. Thanks for your time and energy! Have some Lingots!
Nice to see you again, I agree with your post and all that is said here!!
A couple of years ago they had a feature where you could see how 'fluent' you are. I need constant reasurance of how well I'm doing so since duo has taken a lot of these things out like levels and stuff I have been feeling really unmotivated to learn.
One thing I would like to see change are the exercises where you get three translations and have to choose the correct one or have to insert a conjugated verb from a list. I don't mind the concept of this exercise but I find it a bit silly that usually the options are too easy. For an example the false sentences in the listare easy ti spot because they often use non-existent words or words that obviously do not belong there. I'd rather like to see the same sentence with subtle nuances so that I would really have to think about it and it would really help the grammar studies.
As for the verbs... I am currently studying French where differences between conjugated verbs can be really minor so it would help more if I would have the same verb in first person but in different conjugation forms versus the same verb in the same conjugation form but in different persons. If I have to choose between parlerai and parlais, I would think more than when the options are parle or parlez.
"It seems things are getting less useful and more decorative"
I agree with you at all of your points, except this one. Things get actually less decorative on Duolingo all the time. Just look at the golden owls!
On point 3, I think they should try and constantly improve. That doesn't mean they might implement some things that some users don't like and a lot of times people are averse to change just because they're used to the old way.
It would be interesting to see a screen shot or video of a lesson back from when DuoLingo first launched compared to now.
And at least with Spanish there was an update some months ago...it's been a while, but I had completed the entire Spanish tree, but they added a whole bunch of lessons and skills.
So, I think they're working on it. It's probably on their list of things to do which is probably pretty long.
I think the problem is that there aren't a ton of people who remember what it was like in 2012. Everything was limited and poorly made. The courses were almost awful in quality compared to today (great for the time though). If there was a way for the Wayback Machine to allow users to log in to the 2012 site, I'd recommend every new user go there. I will gladly take the site it's become today over what it was in the beginning.
I'm new to this, only on day 21 of learning Esperanto and I don't understand the crown thing or the levels? are there any? and what are Lingot? lol Also don't understand what the friends list is for or why you can't search for people learning the same language as you and be able to chat to each other and practise. I love learning with duo lingo but I'm suprised about all of these things. I'm a plus subscriber too and I do think they should make it clearer how we can measure how progress and again, why is there a friends list if you cant do anything with it, am i missing something?
It's something they removed before my time here (Ive been here for 18mths).. they apparently removed being able to chat to people private due to lability (they have a lot of children who come here)
That’s fair enough about the children.... the problem is that we are not in the same club anymore so you can’t see your friends from before
Is it possible for them to do some kind of age verification then? As important as it is for children to be safe on line, the fact is adults are adults and an important feature like chatting to practise languages shouldn’t be a no go because of that, it just means putting things in place to make it possible for adults to chat in their studied language and practise!
Great post. I think most at the website would agree with it. Stop constantly changing things as it's a hinderance to peoples learning. I had the Duo popping out at me while doing my lessons today.. a complete distraction. I want to be able to learn without all the distractions
I actually really love Leagues feature. I haven't been this active on here in a long time! I'm getting really far in Arabic ebcause of it. I'm super competitive though. So that's what I love about Leagues. However, a lot of people don't like it... why not make it a choice to opt-in to leagues or not?? I think that could work.
Also, I wish it was easy to see my levels like before.
Crowns, I don't really care how many crowns I have in any language - it means nothing to me. The levels within the crown system though, I like that. It allows me to have more leeway in my learning, not sure i'm using the right word... it helps me have more control over how I learn. Like right now, I'm getting to level three in each lesson and moving on. Maybe after awhile I'll come back and do all the lessons until level 4, who knows... I like how each person can do it differently.
Kay basically I just wanted to say that opting into or out of Leagues would be a good idea I think.
People tend to require change to keep interest, though most of the long time "lingoers" prefer the older website, many others enjoy leagues. I also think that leagues are kind of unfair to people with more responsibilities, and though they keep interest at a peak, there are loopholes people use to keep at the top of the leader-board. I think that fixing the actual languages and sentences with errors is important, but Duo's goal is to keep people freshly interested in learning a language, and not everyone is going to agree on how that has to be done.
Beautifully said. No bias or anything. Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Exactly! I see you have are thinking like me and most of people regarding this! :)
Are levels being updated? if so, what is the algorithm for assigning levels?
Also, why aren't the flags next to one's name no longer in descending order??
It is necessary to re-load the page after posting to re-set the flag order on a post you have just made, for some reason.
Yes, Can they PLEASE bring the levels back. I haven't been on here in months and I can already tell the new ranking system they have on here is BS within two days I'm already 3rd place but have less XP than everyone else? I don't get it.
I think that they just shouldn't take away features that we like. If anything, they should only add features. I had to make a whole new account because I went away for a couple months and when I got back, everything had changed too much for me to handle. If they had added only, instead of added and taken away, I might have been able to keep my account.
I would also like it if they could add more higher costing items to the shop. I have so many lingots and nothing to do with them.
we can give the lingots to each other when people are posting so to find out their levels lol .
I wish I could write to my duolingo friends as I have no contact with them now. With the old format it was easier to keep in touch. I miss my duolingo friends ☹️
When translating into English, give an option for UK English instead of this default US English. The phrasing in US English is often different and rarely used in UK
I miss the vocabulary list that I used to routinely save and refer to later .. this disappeared a few weeks ago
I AGREE, here's a comment I originally posted:
Could someone please contribute or make a course of maybe the elf language in the Lord of the Rings or Saxon or Viking or Gothic language etc, and maybe even Hieroglyphics (Ancient Egypt language), I really want to learn them and some people do know the languages.
I personally think Duolingo has a basic learning environment if you are starting off with a new language.
Nevertheless there is more than enough room for improvement.
If you are on a phone or tablet you can enable the additional keyboard for the language you are learning
Try a longpress, hold down the letter and it may show that letter with different options.
On an Android phone, try the SwiftKey app, I have it and I ticked a few languages to have a choice of keyboards.
but is it just me? Or has literally everybody who's ever been on Duolingo learned/tried to learn Spanish? (Myself included)
I wouldn’t go so far as to say everybody, but considering the importance of knowing Spanish in the USA and the fact that it’s one of Duolingo’s best trees, I’d say most people have.