New Tree Development - Update on Progress
As the second tree’s development continues, we thought it would be appropriate to post another update of its progress.
Having taken into consideration the official guidelines for teaching Greek grammar, we have planned the new tree so that it can cover all the necessary grammar for the B2 CEFR level. Accordingly, the new course will contain more than 3,000 words. We are confident that once released, our course will be one of the longest courses that are available on duolingo, teaching effectively all the necessary vocabulary and grammar that one needs to reach the B1 level, having a solid knowledge of the Greek language.
More than 85% (almost 87%) of the courses’ sentences have been added, but the new tree probably won’t be available until 2020. We know this might be frustrating for some learners who have been around for quite a while, but Duolingo is an app that’s constantly changing. We have to keep adjusting things every once in a while, and that includes adding more sentences than the minimum required, so that the crown system functions effectively. Apart from that, there’s also the tree’s automated verification process, which might take a considerable amount of time.
Bonus Skills and Stories are not yet available for this course, as they are not for many more courses on Duolingo. We don’t know when these features will become available, but we’ll keep you posted if there is an announcement about it from Duolingo staff, in the future!
We are aware that there might be a few learners who are displeased by some of the changes made in the old tree. If that’s the case, please feel free to express your concerns and share your ideas in the comments, politely. Constructive criticism is more than welcome!
The old tree (currently released) consists of 74 skills and 1949 words.
The new tree consists of 92 skills and 3110 words.
Here are the changes that have been made:
Warmup & Stretch (introductory skills)
Weather 1 & 2
Be & Have (Revisionary Skill)
Past Cont. Passive
Past Cont. Active
Future Simple (Passive)
Parts of Speech
Skills split in 2:
- Technology -> Computers, Social Media
Other changes made:
Some skills and words have been moved to help us add more sentences and improve your learning experience.
Some skills have been renamed.
Some words have been deleted from existing skills.
Double accents have been corrected.
Unnatural sentences have been deleted.
There is still a possibility of new additions. If there is any new learning material added to the course, we’ll make sure to post an update in the next few months!
We can’t thank you enough for all your support, comments and feedback. It has helped us to keep striving for improvement, for a better language learning experience, for you. And, of course, thank you for being patient. We’re looking forward to this tree’s release as much as you do.
-Η Ελληνική Ομάδα
Very good news! I stumbled across Greek for a holiday and am now hooked ... μου αρέσει η ελληνική
I have lots of praise for the team who have helped turn a complicated challenge into something manageable.
I even like being able to say "This is not my bear" ... a must for all holiday-makers.
Oh no... Is there a way you can keep subjects like Religion, Economics, Travel, etc.? I am worried I won't be able to get to them before the new tree is released, and I don't want to miss out on that content.
Oh, that is the loveliest screenshot we've ever received. Congratulations and kudos, and thank you so much for all your help throughout your studies.
Ορίστε μερικα lingots με τις καλύτερες ευχές μας.
As for the new course, we are very near ready to send it for approval but...sorry there's a but, we are waiting for the new audio to be installed.
The good news, I should say great news is that we have been informed that a new and much better TTS has been chosen. Duolingo is now in the process of testing it and as soon as it is installed we're ready to send the New Tree for approval.
Stay tuned, I think you'll like the new and much-improved Tree. We look forward to your input on it.
I think many of us are chomping at the bit, so to speak, to get started on the new tree. I was thrilled to be able to complete the current one. And though I still couldn’t hold much of a conversation with a Greek first grader, ha-ha, I have learned so much already that I am determined to continue until I can read Greek literature without too much help. Let’s Greek on! :)
Hi, thank you for all the work on the new tree. Is there any more recent update on when the new tree will be ready? Is there any way of including a song (vocab & grammar) in the new tree? Or words used in recipes? Or common newspaper/TV story type words that would help understand Greek news shows?
Thank you for your support ^.^
Indeed, this update took a while to be posted. There have been quite a few changes these past few months, and there was a certain amount of progress to be made, in order for us to have something more complete. We'll make sure to post them a bit more frequently in the future!
I believe that the system will treat as "known" all the common words between the two. So, for example, if you have the "food" skill golden, and the new tree adds a lesson with new words in that skill, it will not be golden anymore, but previous words/lessons will still be considered known.
Thank you Marcus ^.^
I wouldn't say it's hard, but it's indeed a bit more compicated than it needs to be. We tried to make it as simple as possible, while also adding useful material that was missing. We hope you'l be around to check out the new course, when it eventually rolls out!
Happy learning ^.^
Thanks for the update and for all your hard work! What will happen to my progress on the current tree when the new one is released?
Also, a humble request: In the "Questions" skill, would it be possible to add in more practice specifically to help distinguish between τι and ποιος/ποια/ποιο? I don't think I'm alone in finding it difficult to determine when to use which. I was in Greece earlier this month and even some of the locals admitted that it can be confusing if you're not speaking Greek every day.
Of course ^.^ Almost all of them have been rewritten. We are currently working on a post to include all grammar related posts, so that we have only one sticky post, where everything's organized. New posts will be getting added gradually, in order for us to help learners a bit more until the new tree's release (and also because, when the new tree gets released, some sentence discussions will be deleted. We need to have a few reference points:) ). This will take a while though.
I totally agree! The Greek language course has some of the most erudite and responsive moderators you will find. I've tried asking questions in other courses with little or no success. But, this course counts with the most outstanding moderator/native/learner interactions you'll find out there. All very edifying! And we are all waiting for the next Greek tree to get started on a new learning adventure! (I can't believe it's still free!)
The new tree is much broader. The present tree has 74 skills and the new tree has 95 skills with nothing of importance missing and a great deal added and where it says a lesson is removed that doesn't mean the material contained in that lesson is not taught. Rest assured. Thanks for your concern we'll try to live up to your hopes.
I had managed to get to the third check point before the update and after the update I saw that some skills had turned purple (lvl. 0) and some had remained golden. Do you suggest I continue my progress from here or should I restart the course after having taken the initial placement test? Thanks in advance ;)
Καταπληκτικά!! So looking forward to the enhanced tree and grammar level B2. That said, the current tree has made a major difference for my somewhat futile attempt to master modern Greek. It has been an enormous support for the various courses (paid $$$) I have followed. The green owl rocks. Thank you, Ελληνική Ομάδα, for your effort and for keeping us posted on your progress <3
Ευχαριστώ πολύ την όλη Ελληνική Ομάδα! The course is already great, so any further improvement can only be received with gratitude and excitement.
If I may, I would like to make a suggestion. If I understand correctly, the tree will gain a substantial amount of new material but is going to lose some of the old. Please keep that material as lessons at the end of the tree. The ones of us who have already gone through those words would like to keep practicing them (as to me, even επίρρημα, μετοχή, and so on), and extra vocabulary never hurts!
Thanks again for all your work!
Still a beginner but I hated Parts of Speech; glad to see that go. I found this skill an outlier in terms of difficulty. the words relate very little to the English counterparts and I never learnt grammar explicitly so even their meaning is, for me, obtuse. I'm optimistically hoping that I won't still be making my way through the tree in 2020 but good luck on the revised version and thanks for all your work.
It started to go to a few learners at random about a month ago. Now, it's going out to more. If you want to avoid doing a lot of repeat lessons look at these ways to test out. And also check the differences in the old and new trees.
NEW TREE HOW MANY WORDS FORMATED https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/46018306
The NEW TREE is far more advanced and you will learn much more and be taken to a higher level. And you can regain your gold.
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE OLD TREE AND THE NEW TREE
HOW TO RESET YOUR PROGRESS TO GOL
How many words….D_.. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/45521722?comment_id=45560124
!!!!!NEW TREE HOW TO RESET YOUR PROGRESS TO GOLD/
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE OLD TREE AND THE NEW TREE https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/46006993
I love the new tree! So much more content. This will keep me busy for a while. I had built up loads of lingots doing the old tree, so it’s easy to use them to test out of those early skills on the new tree and move on to more challenging material. Thanks Duolingo Greek team!
How awesome! I finally have the new iOS tree! Woo-hoo! =) My new tree is mostly purple with some gold left over. However, none of the 370 crowns disappeared, at least not yet. I don't even think I want to test out. I really could use the practice. =) By the way, thanks so much for such an wonderfully informative reply, Jaye! You rock!
I have only very recently started the Greek course but I've received the new tree a few days ago! I'm very excited to learn Greek thanks to your continuous efforts, and it's safe to say we are all very appreciative. I was just wondering if it would somehow be possible to restore the Religion skill, as I would, and I feel as though I'm not alone in this, based on the other comments here, benefit greatly from the vocabulary and sentences involved? I understand the inherent potential "problematic" nature but again, more knowledge can never hurt, right?
In any case, thank you once again!