https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danfur65

"i" vs. "ma"??

Someone please tell me what's the difference between "i ka hale", "ma ka hale" or why you say "i ka lumi moe" and "ma ka lumi kuke"?

July 26, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KahalaChru

The use of ma only happens when marking location

July 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/okolenui

Aloha e @danfur65, this is one of those difficult things to explain from a western language perspective, but essentially think of them as a "directional" marker that is specific to a location (either general or proper noun). I/ma BOTH have the connotation of in/on/at/towards, although there is a subtle difference in connotation that has to do with MOVEMENT. "I" has a slight meaning of a movement towards/in/on/at something. "ma" has a slight meaning of stationary or a completed movement, but in English would still use the translation of towards/in/on/at. Some examples below using your specific question phrases:

E hele kākou i ka hale. Letʻs (all) go to the house. (Example of movement).

Noho ka manu ma ka hale i kekahi manawa. The bird sits on the house sometimes. (Example of non-movement, it occurs at that location habitually)

Noho ka manu i ka hale i kekahi manawa. The bird sits on the house sometimes (from somewhere else. It goes to sit there sometimes and usually sits in a tree across the street, for example)

Hele au i ka lumi moe. I go to the kitchen. (Example of movement)

Kuke koʻu māmā i ka mea ʻono ma ka lumi kuke. My mom cooks treats in the kitchen. (Example of stationary activity, occurs at that location / takes place there habitually).

Kuke koʻu māmā i ka mea ʻono i ka lumi kuke. My mom cooks treats in the kitchen (but usually does this elsewhere like in the backyard, if the discussion is about BBQ, for example)

Overall, as in all Polynesian languages, this is an entirely CONTEXT BASED decision on whether to use "I/ma". This is why when Dueling asks you to enter your own Hawaiian translation of the English sentence, it should be accepting either "I/ma" as it doesnʻt know the context in which you are framing your response.

I hope this helps some! Let me know if you have more questions here and Iʻll try to share what I know. Mahalo!

August 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/P.Carvajal1

Should as in it doesn't? (I'm still in the first stage about to reach the next). Thanks for the little lesson either way, the more I can learn the better <3

August 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/okolenui

Aloha e P.Carvajal1 , ummm I canʻt say 100% that is does accept both for everything, as I havenʻt tried it for all of them. I can say that for the several I did try switching I/ma, it took them both as correct answers. I could think of some lessons where the context is fixed and the content creators choose to hammer in only one choice as being correct haha. So yes, "should." ^_^v

August 8, 2019
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