https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MissPavari

Downvotes

So, I know some people have posted about this, but lately it has become really frustrating for me. A few days ago, someone posted a question about something on Duolingo. Within a few minutes, it already had three downvotes, and no one had even answered the question. If you are going to downvote something, than it should be because either someone is asking for lingots, or it's spam. I think it is mean if someone downvotes a post that is actually very good, without even answering it or possibly, even reading it!

I'm not trying to be mean, I just think it's kind of unkind.

August 2, 2019

215 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woody387892

I have also noticed it. It does frustrate me and many times I will upvote someone who has a downvote so it makes at least one downvote go away. For anyone who does not understand something or doesn't know, There are NO stupid questions or comments!!! Learning another language can be very difficult as well as frustrating at times. We should be understanding and supportive to others. Thanks for the post. Happy Learning!!

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woody387892

I would like to add that there are new learners joining Duolingo every week which could be in the hundreds or maybe even thousands sometimes. Many get so involved in their learning tree that they may not even notice "Discuss" until after they have reached the first checkpoint or castle. When they do click on it and see what members are writing about they get excited and post something that may have been posted before. That should be understandable as everyone learns to navigate an online site at different speeds. I just found out about the search bar from comments in this post, haha stupid me. Since the search bar is over the advertisements I never noticed it. Perhaps it would be better to place the search bar over the post where new learners can see it better. There could also be something like, "Search Previous Post" above or below the search bar and maybe there would not be as many repeat posts. Just a thought. Happy Learning!!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

Woody - That was exactly my experience. I do not typically participate in online chats so I ignored this section for the longest while.

The first time I visited I was so excited to read posts written by really positive personalities that I immediately posted my photo and started engaging and writing my own original posts.

It's only recently that I realize things aren't entirely as they seemed. Thinking about backing away now :-(

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Riverchic

yes, very true. I have been on Duolingo for two weeks, on my second level and I was going like gangbusters to learn that I didn't take the time to explore the site itself and didn't even notice the Discuss button.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MissPavari

Happy learning to you as well! :)

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WayangOrang

Yes.
Some people enjoy downvoting.
Let me give you an upvote and some Lingots :)

...I just think it's kind of unkind.

I like this phrase "... *kind of unkind."

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

Wayang - giving inspires more giving. Lingot AND upvote for you

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WayangOrang

Thank you, I give you upvote and some lingots as well :)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

What if... you had to pay with lingots to downvote? Just an idea. (Gave an upvote and a lingot by the way.)

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WayangOrang

What if... you had to pay with lingots to downvote?

Let me give you some lingots, so that you can give downvotes in case your idea is implemented :)

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

Thanks! :) I realize, though, that the downside is that it will not affect those that have too many lingots.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Good idea!

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

Oooooooh, nice idea!

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JohanaSchw

Good idea How attached are Duo-learners to this symbolic currency that they have earned? do they save lingots? The shop is short enough on merch that the value of lingots is inflated Duo-learners could earn just to down vote.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

100 lingots per downvote

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Neil-VA5WX

Looks like someone was willing to spend 100 lingots on your post. :) I'll upvote you, 'cause I don't think you deserve a negative vote count.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Thank you!

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kel260568

Yeah, it is kind of odd. It is trivial to read something that does not interest you and simply move on. I do not understand why someone feels the need to then down vote something they do not appreciate rather than just skipping it. Fortunately, it is just internet points, and duolingo is better than many other places.

shrugs

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WayangOrang

I do not understand why someone feels the need to then down vote

Some people just enjoy downvoting.

C'est la vie.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/la_danse_macabre

Yes, I've noticed this. I have been reading different discussions, and I was kind of discouraged from posting due to the uncalled for downvoting, but then I noticed that a lot of people here are supportive. I guess it's better to focus on the good than on the trolls/miserable people that should be here to LEARN. Duolingo on Facebook is even worse; a lot of toxic people follow their FB page.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

No need to be afraid to post if your comments are helpful and informative. Posts constantly complaining or begging/bribing lingots will quickly attract dvs. A dv doesn't always indicate anything more than "disagreeing", and nothing more should be read into it. I never ever take a dv personally, it really isn't worth it. Enjoy your learning.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/la_danse_macabre

I don't take being downvoted personally, as I'm not a sensitive person. However, is it true that a -5 downvote hides your post? If that's true, it's a waste of time starting a discussion just to have it wrongfully hidden.

Thanks for the encouragement! =)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

La danse. If your post is helpful and informative, it won't be dvd. Have the courage of your convictions, nothing too terrible will happen. There are many good people who upvote posts they see being dvd.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Szei

| If your post is helpful and informative, it won't be dvd.

That is not always true. Even if your post is helpful or informative, it may be downvoted. It depends on whether the first people who see it agree with it or not.

The thing is, if you disagree with something, you can downvote it, but you should explain why. Otherwise it just hides the discussion from people who may have wanted to read it.

I have posted the same exact topic two different times and one time it was immediately downvoted and buried while the other time it received upvotes and then took off positively.

Like I said, it depends on who the first people to see your post/comment are. So in other words, if your comment is downvoted, don't be discouraged. There may be people who agree but they just didn't see it.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Szei. Totally agree. The dv can be so random and should never be taken personally. If it is, then best to avoid the forum and stay happy.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarchinBunny

"If your post is helpful and informative, it won't be dvd." That is totally untrue. This is the internet. You get down voted simply if someone disagrees even if what you say is correct/true.

Sometimes it can even just be outright random or for no good reason.

Now with that said, I don't get too caught up on down votes or up votes, but I do believe down votes should just be removed. As they are now, they don't help.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"...If your post is helpful and informative, it won't be dvd..."

I suspect the writer was being ironic as followed up with

"...The dv can be so random..."

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

I don't know, but i think that may have just been a mistake

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

" If your post is helpful and informative, it won't be dvd."

that's an idealistic lie.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

But it doesn't always mean "disagreeing" either, honestly. A lot of times it just means "HAHAHAHA I think it's funny to downvote everyone"

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

If you are going to downvote something, than it should be because either someone is asking for lingots, or it's spam.

What if it's a topic not related to language learning or Duolingo?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SecretlyAHippo

Then it would be under the "spam" category.

August 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Hi. Best to go to Search and read the many interesting posts on this. Be prepared for dvs, however, as the subject has been somewhat done to death of late.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PerfectEng554596

Dear Miss Pavari:

Thank you, at least your post on this topic has survived...sadly mine did not. One person even sent a reply to my honest question, that was cryptic at best and I still don't get it. I personally feel the concept of up or down votes is silly and not needed. It keeps people from asking legitimate questions and creates an environment where popular is important and cliques reign supreme. I see many of the same posters in multiple threads and always with the same attitude, but not really helpful. Thanks for your post, I heartily agree and the only thing I can tell you is downvotes, trolls, mean people etc go with forums because people don't have to be accountable in a forum. It goes without saying but if you can't really know who is saying what, then you can be really cruel without anyone holding you accountable for it. As I have said before rude...some people are just rude, oh well. Have a lingot and an upvote..LOL

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Even the most popular discusions yesterday were nearly trashed by anonymous downvoters. The '-5 and die' system encourages abuse.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uphill. Sadly the more we complain, the more we "feed" them. At the moment ignoring them is surely best, together with uvs where necessary.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Abuse needs to be designed out not facilitated.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Szei

Agreed. I think duolingo should remove down votes (some other media platforms have already done this). Opinions should not be censored. If you like something, up vote it, but down votes are too easily abused to hide things just because you disagree.

The only good use for down votes is if someone posts a hateful comment or something like that. In that case there should just be a report button. Not a down vote button.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uphill. This is mankind, sadly, and it has been this way since the year dot. Lighten up. (Adjusts lance, helmet and horse.....)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Linda it is also true that there is a problem with rule compliant threads being anonymously hidden. We can lighten up by all means or see the issue designed out through advocating working towards a solution with an understanding of human nature and still have time to lighten up afterwards.

EDIT Gracias!

EDIT 2 The ale is behind the bar Linda.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uppityhill. Grazie, in Italiano. My Spanish is non esiste ;-)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uphill. (At half gallup)... I think it's compliant with an a, but please don't dv me if I'm wrong else I'll cry. Shall we call it a draw and go for an ale, sire. If not, I bid thee good night ;-)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

uphil - I agree that 'abuse needs to be designed out'. UNFORTUNATELY abuse is the result of a design flaw in the human genome.

It will take a tool like CRISPR to fix that one.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

Well, people need a design to rule moot that design flaw, don't we?

ALSO ICK CRISPR AHHH SCARY AHHH-Ahem! I mean.. I mean, ah, great! lol jk x)

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

xMira - Please submit your gene sample for genetic update.

Our services are provided free of charge with a lifetime satisfaction guarantee for all the good people in your life.

Please submit please submit please....

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarchinBunny

I don't think ignoring them works if I am being honest. It's the same excuse people use with bullies. Ignore them and they will go away.

No, sadly they don't. Sometimes you just have to learn that things don't change unless you do something about it and change it yourself. Doing nothing, often leads to nothing.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jon786634

The question that was downvoted - was it “what happens after ruby level”? Cuz that can be somewhat triggering after the 50 thousandth time and people might not be able to resist hitting that down arrow

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

I am so tempted to write "You go back to Kansas and Auntie Em." with those.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kelvin401862

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Ah Wizard.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Originally "silver." Maybe "ruby" looked better on the silver screen?

("Calcei tui Argentei te trans solitudinem portare possunt," . . . something like, "Your Silver Shoes can transport you across the desert." Admittedly it's dumb to not quote the original, but I had the book here and am so tired of doing web lookup this evening. Besides, this is way cool.)

And I am with you. Every mention of the Ruby League starts me humming about the "Lollipop Guild."

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

't'would be nice to have a "Emerald City" league x)

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_Scott

So copy and paste a couple of the URLs of those existing threads and post that as an answer. Maybe they didn't look, maybe for some reason they couldn't find the answer.

Drives me crazy when I'm on a technical forum and I've read and searched, so I post a question (like on adobe.com), and the only answer is "google it, you'll find the answer". Hmmm... so not helpful.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Szei

It's even worse when the top google result is a forum thread where the response is "just google it"

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

UgH I HATE THAT

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

MissPavari - Your post along with the responses it generated inspired me to write another post proposing a few specific changes that Duo could make to address the issue you flagged. Hope it helps, and thanks again! https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33448430

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MissPavari

You're very welcome, Hexxxx. :) Happy Learning!

August 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Henry757638

Downvotes exist to dispell posts that are useless or irrelevant, such ones that have already been discuss many times. I almost never downvote unless it is spam or another person commenting about something 5 others have in the same week. A lot of people here ask questions without doing a lick of research themselves though.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woody387892

As long as there are new learners joining, there will probably be repeat posts. It seems that if someone has clicked on a repeated post and grown tired of seeing the same topic, that they would just keep scrolling since they already know what most of the comments may be about. Repeat posts are not something that will probably end anytime soon. I find this true with leaderboard posts and I find this more with what happens after the Ruby league which now I just scroll past. Why would I want to click on it just to waste my time to downvote it, just because I'm tired of seeing a repeated topic. There are NO stupid questions or comments when someone doesn't know or understand something. Opinions vary and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Treating others like you would want to be treated can be a good thing. Happy Learning!!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

One minor point Woody - it is perfectly possible to downvote a thread without opening it. Imagine the effect on a new student - their work anonymously trashed without a word being read?

EDIT Who allows this to happen? Duolingo please explain?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pollyperki

When I suggest to Duolingo to use " 5 star " system for upvoting. What is bad in such suggestion to be downvoted and rejected?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Nothing. There is nothing wrong with the suggestion.

A fundamental flaw with '-5 and die' is that the downvoters need not say who they are nor give reason for their actions.

The good news is there is never a shortage of mind readers to tell us why they think a particular thread was trashed.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

are you saying that after 5 downvotes people cant see your post? Because i had no idea and it makes me wonder if any of my posts are unable to be seen by others. Also if that is what you are saying than maybe duolingo should just remove that feature of "-5 and die"

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ISpeakAlien

I upvote most posts that I read.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/adriancendrowski

and some people downvote, you cannot do much about it other than stoping worrying about it

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hexxxx

Miss Pavari - may I suggest editing your original post above with a sentence that specifically encourages your readers to UP VOTE the posts they like.

Many people like myself read posts that we like, but do not click to vote. I often give lingots to show appreciation, but I seldom vote.

Your posts and the responses it inspired made me appreciate the importance of my vote. Thank you

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Proverbs_2_6

If you are going to downvote something, than it should be because either someone is asking for lingots, or it's spam.

Totally agreed with you there! I will extend it a bit farther though: If it's not spam, but you still think it's not worthy of an upvote, then what to do is quite simple: Leave it alone, and don't click either button. :)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J.Luxe

I noticed the downvoting on new posts when I began to post around here. Eventually, I decided to post regardless if it was downvoted out of sight. Heh heh.

There isn't much you can do about people being unkind. You can choose to focus on what is working for you here though.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GittyEng

"There isn't much you can do about people being unkind."

Well, every up vote cancels out a down vote, so that's something you can do... The way to "fight" people who are being unkind isn't to fight back, but to counteract them by being kind to others.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J.Luxe

I wasn't thinking about it in that way. However, I suppose that is a way to handle it (if you choose to do so).

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AndresGarner

If people post useful info. about learning and post questions in the right forum (in other words, use the forum for what it was made for.) than you rarely with get down-voted to the point of making your post go hidden. There are your occasional trolls who just browse the forums just to down-vote for no reason but there really is nothing we can do to stop it so it is best just not to focus on them (they love the attention.)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GittyEng

How would you know that no good or useful post ever got down voted? After five down votes you can't see it anymore...

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarchinBunny

I didn't even know that. That's extremely lame.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"...there really is nothing we can do to stop it..."

It's easy - switch '-5 and die' off; maybe divert such threads to a separate tab. I would add that there should still be a reporting facility for abusive posts so the '-5' tab doesn't become a Badlands.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EZStevie

If I see a post down voted I read it and upvote if it is legitimate. This is my of combating this phenomenon.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/suerad

I've stopped posting altogether and always think twice about making comments to posts, even if I think my answer might help. There are too many (number unknown because they are anonymous) that down vote - Either give positive feedback or leave the post alone. Duolingo should change the system so that a down vote has to have a comment attached, at least we might be able to understand why they do it.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

I think you should keep posting, even if you think that your posts will get donvoted, and just try and keep in mind that they are just haters. Also, those posts might help someone, so it's better to post than to worry too much and not post.

September 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slazaro

For what I have gathered from other online communities, it seems that instead of upvote + downvote, the better way is upvote + flag/report, where flag/report is something that clearly warns that it's only for posts that violate rules/guidelines, not for disagreeing.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thraII

people might downvote so they can keep their post higher

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

You have just given the most logical reason! Lingot and upvote for you!

September 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

Yeah, I think they may also upvote their own comments as well. Once I noticed someone spamming random meaningless comments, and when I opened the thread, all of them had 1 point. I also noticed several posts being downvoted, including some of my own. Something told me that this spammer had downvoted several of the comments and upvoted their own.

September 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"...people might downvote so they can keep their post higher..."

True this would certainly work in thread.

The new tab is sorted chronologically so hiding a thread would lift older threads up the page.

thrall you're good.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MAKAFAT

This is one of the problems that Duo hasn't solved yet...

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_Scott

I've noticed the same thing here lately. What is it with social media and people being mean? It doesn't matter if it's here, or Reddit, or FB or Instagram, or Youtube or Twitter. People want to come back with a down vote and a mean sound byte. The more anonymous the social media, the meaner it becomes. It's like the comments on youtube where somebody does a nice how to video and then the comments are full of vile critiques.

It's pretty easy really. Don't be mean. Don't be an online turd. Be nice. It's not that hard.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Some just like to dv for the sake of it. Some people may have just not liked it. It's impossible to guess.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Szei

That's why I like how reddit describes down votes. It goes something like:

"Down votes are NOT a disagree button. Down votes are meant for comments which are off-topic and do not contribute to the discussion."

Of course, people ignore that and use it as a "disagree button" anyway, but the premise is a good one. Don't try to censor an opinion just because you disagree. Vote up the things you like, but only down vote if it is off-topic. If you really want you can down vote something you disagree with... but then at least explain why so people understand the reasoning.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Part of free speech (at its core, not just any one country's law) includes the ability to disagree. The downvote button can be the disagree button. The problem is that -5 posts are hidden away and it makes our job as the Mods difficult as we have to look for them. (Okay, we have a little bit more help finding a -5 post than others, but that's besides the point.)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jan139433

This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech refers to the government's power to limit speech. Even in that context, not all speech is allowed. Child pornography, for example. Free speech has nothing to do with a business. Duolingo can make its own rules regarding what is allowed to be said and what isn't.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

I honestly think that doulingo should just simply get rid of the -5 and die feature and keep downvotes.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GittyEng

Little_Tatws, wouldn't it just make more sense to reply and actually share your opposing view if you disagree with something?

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

It would, but not everyone seems to think that.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

I think that maybe people just find it as too much effort to reply and explain why you disagree than to just click a downvote button, but that doesn't mean that it's right to downvote or not reply why you disagree with them.

September 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Yet such (literally) negative behaviour is facilitated Tatws.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Tatws I can't help but agree with you again. It is impossible to disagree with your conclusion.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MilkyMagic

I totally agree! A while ago, I posted a question and got down voted for no reason! Not only did it not answer my question, but it also kind of hurt my feelings...

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pollyperki

It also gives a feeling of a stupid discrimination since many silly subjects are warmly welcomed by moderators for non famous members.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GittyEng

Don't let it get to you. It doesn't mean that people didn't like what you wrote, (which shouldn't make you feel bad either- your worthiness is not determined by other people's opinions of you), for all you know it was a little kid who thought they're being cute

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eleanor_5812

Why do the forums seem to be so toxic as a whole, especially the general forum?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

Well it depends on the person. Most people here aren't toxic (go on Instagram if you want toxic) but there are the occasional few people here and there who spam and are toxic on here too, sadly it happens. But as a whole I don't think the forum is toxic.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eleanor_5812

What I mean sorry is that a lot of people are just straight up rude for no apparent reason

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Henry757638

Can you post the link so I can read the post, please?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fraspig

Upvoted. :-)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jay709846

THANK YOU for posting this. I've had that happen to some really good ideas (I thought they were good ideas at least) get downvoted just because I did the title a bit weird, or it may have sounded negative.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Batominovski

I asked about an issue I had been getting from Duolingo Android App. I got at least five downvotes so far. I was like: "Ok, if you didn't have this problem, then you are lucky. What is wrong with my question? Do I not deserve help?"

(For reference, it is this question: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33433899.)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

Batominovski, I upvoted your Android app post and provided some suggestions.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Taranto777

Remember that everyone has his own opinion on everything MissPavari

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MissPavari

@Taranto777, Yes I know that everyone has his or her own opinion on everything. I was just voicing my own opinion, and I'm not trying to get everyone to agree with it, I am just pointing out what I think is wrong. Happy Learning! :)

August 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/la_creyente

I very much agree with this. I posted an idea I had that people I guess didn't like, because before anyone really saw it, it already have -5 downvotes I think we should think before we downvote.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

Sometimes I come across a comment that asks a good question that is downvoted. Whenever that comes up, I answer it if I can, and also write something like "Don't know why this comment was downvoted." Ultimately, I see the post go from the negatives to the positives. I even saw one comment go to -9 (which I upvoted, but didn't reply to because it was already answered), and one of the replies actually said, "Good question"!

Also, when I see someone comment something like a translation that should not be accepted, I explain why they're wrong but don't actually downvote the comment.

I think it is mean if someone downvotes a post that is actually very good, without even answering it or possibly, even reading it!

Strongly agree with this point! But as I have heard many people point out (including in this thread), people just downvote a comment just because they can.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SoitDX

I totally agree with what you said. Actually, I judge by myself. If I like the discussion or anything like this, I always upvote it. If the discussion is something I'm not interested in, a question I have no answer for, etc., I wouldn't neither upvote nor downvote. As people have said, if you've got no good to do, better do nothing. ^^

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrookeSonn

I totally agree with all of you! I think that people should be more understanding and if they don't like it then they shouldn't vote unless it's inappropriate or something.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nelson-James

That's the internet in general. I reserve downvotes for stuff that is either mean or inappropriate. People think that downvotes are synonymous with disagreeing with something, and it shouldn't be the case. My disliking something doesn't immediately make it invalid.

There are a lot of immature and petty people out there.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

People think that downvotes are synonymous with disagreeing with something

I think I've noticed this too. I notice if someone posts something like a translation that is wrong, it often gets downvoted. I've seen a comment that had like -35 because people were disagreeing with the comment, even if it was just an opinion.

There are a lot of immature and petty people out there.

Like people who spam meaningless comments that read something like "hi". I also think some people don't know what the purpose of these forums are.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Could it be that they think 'why should I waste my time constructing a compliant post when it will be trashed anyway?' And so the vicious circle continues.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roof121

It really upsets me when i see people who post that they are new to Duolingo and nobody has commented and they have like 5 downvotes! i always give a lingot and an upvote so that they feel included. Plus they need a headstart with their lingots! Some people are probably jealous that they get alot of attention because they are new so that give a downvote! i hate it when they do it for no reason!!!!

Gave a LINGOT and an UPVOTE!!!

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Anyone who still thinks there isn't an issue should check out the New tab this morning. It has been cleared out with two threads left that are less than four hours old. A casual visitor would think that hardly anyone used the forums.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SomBhatta

You can't beat human nature. Give some people half a chance to criticize or pull down something or someone, and they will jump at it. I mean, just look at YouTube. Even outstanding videos get thousands of thumbs down. Even if one discounts a certain amount of "slip of thumbs", there would still be many that are intentional. As they say in Latin, de gustibus est non disputandum (there is no accounting for tastes). In fact, there are some who exist just for this purpose. But yes, we can be thankful that we don't have to live in their skins. Persistent negativity surely cannot be a pleasant life experience.

That said, certain posts and comments are either pointless or repeated or both. But for that same reason, they get largely ignored and lost in the dustbins of cyberspace. The evolutionary law of survival of the fittest works fine without any intervention, so removing downvote buttons is a workable solution. Whether a particular site or application chooses to do that or not is another matter altogether. Such are the hazards of all public spaces, real or cyber.

August 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Well thought out.

August 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/em.mutter

Honestly!! It's pathetic that people do it for no reason and you've got to feel sorry for someone who's got nothing better to do with their time

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jay709846

good post! here's a lingot!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

MemberofBigDiam. Do please let me know where I have judged or misjudged you (I rarely judge anybody but do give my point of view). More than happy to discuss; as you see, it is possible to disagree with one another but stay amicable (thanks for the ale, sire Uphill). Be well.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jan139433

M... is an inappropriate user name. I expect that that user's posts have been downvoted for that reason alone.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

Diam means stfu in Indonesian, but in the context of that user I don't know what iit means or why it is inapropriate.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Not at all Linda I had my ale just now. Cheers!

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WinterSoldier.

This is a topic I've addressed before. Unfortunately it got downvoted. It seems as if, unless you are asking a question that hasn't been asked before you'll get downvoted, however, that shouldn't be the case. If its relevant I upvote it. Have an upvote!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

Upvoted @ws. It really shouldn't be the case tbh but sadly it is.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Surely the result would be a forum with only old posts? After all 'every' question and suggestion has already been asked one way or another. Why not set up an automated reply "just Google it"?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ellacarter9

Maybe now, there will no downvotes unless it's on an actually bad post! :D

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Proverbs_2_6

Just maybe...

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jay709846

I wish it was that easy, though I suspect that there will only be a few people who care. (I sadly proclaim this, though hope you are right.)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kelvin401862

I agree, I think that if you down vote someone's post, you should at least give them feedback. Like saying "this subject has been covered" or at least giving them an idea of why they are being down voted.

I have even had to explain to people who's question I had answered why their post was being down voted. If the people who down voted had explain why they were down voting it would have at least let the OP know why.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mrspizza

i was literally gonna make the same post and then i saw this. everything you wrote is FACTS!!!!!!!!!!

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JohanaSchw

once a post receives two upvotes (thus one vote of approval from someone else ) it should be capped at 0 and not enter the negative

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

There is a problem with that though. It would mean that all the bad posts that have someone randomly cllick an upvote would never enter negatives, so would never be shown as bad.

September 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Donald631

funny enough i can agree with this from plenty personal experience. i ask more than my fair share of random questions.

although chances are if you can do something, then someone will. good or bad people do whatever they want. you don't really need a reason to be mean. just simply having the option is more than enough for some people.

its more fun to click the upvote anyways i like leaving things off with a happy note.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cucumberman

I could not agree more. Several posts of mine have been downvoted without reason or even response. It just gets sunk by random people without even bothering to voice their opinion.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Why does Duolingo even bother with guidelines when the anonymous can help hide whatever they like?

August 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JohanaSchw

Here is the template that I am adding as a reply to every post I make: Is my comment relevant? Is it Accurate? Then, as a collegiate community of effective communicators, let's collectively keep it in the positive range of votes

August 18, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FelipeFromUSA

I think people dont like other people. I have like 2-3 people always downvoting what I say (not always) but most of the time yes. so people are witch hunting others for hateful reasons.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Felipe. Most dvs are because people don't agree or are simply bored with repeat posts. Please don't encourage others to feel "Hate" and "witch hunting" are involved. People can be unkind, this is a very public forum, best not to enter it if dvs offend or affect you. Please rather encourage others not to take offence rather than what you described. Enjoy your learning.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Sorry Linda how on Earth do you know the minds of anonymous downvoters?

Conjecture at best?

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uphill. How do you know otherwise? Possibly conjecture but at least I'm not putting hate and witch hunting into the equation. Really nasty. You will naturally disagree with me, even though I'm being sensible and encouraging. A prime example of being nasty to another posteressa. Have a good evening.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

★ Look you two! Stop it! I saw a poor little post recently which said, "I like to download people, because it makes them sad." I just wanted to give this hurting kid (or not too clever adult) a big hug.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Although the thread title is called Downvoting I'm actually banging on about its cousin '-5 and die'. To cut a long story short I attach no blame to the downvoter and 100% to Duolingo for allowing the aforementioned Downvoters to hide other students work. How were these self appointed anonymous censors ever deemed qualified to interpret Duolingo's forum rules? This has had the effect of turning the forum into a private club of sorts. The favorites posting to favorites with the occasional question allowed to stay up for an hour or so.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

I know downvoters are anonymous so we cannot know their minds.

EDIT "I'm not putting hate and witch hunting into the equation"

Nor was I!

EDIT 2 "Una notte serena" Hi Linda no space to answer and thank you for your kind note (my rough house Spanish translation). Buena noche!

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MemberOfBigDiam

Not the first time I've seen Linda judge someone prematurely based on a few words they've written online, heck, she's made such judgements about myself in the past...

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Uphill. No, you weren't, but someone else was. (You're not Felipe, surely). Anyway, I've uvd one of the dvs you have earnt/earned, as I know how much you enjoy our little jousts, a la forum. Una notte serena! ;-)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xMira_

BTW, ik this is old-- but hear me out. Linda likes to accuse people of being mean for the fun of it. I had a post a while back where both Songve and Linda ganged up on me. It was horrible. They can construe words to mean whatever they want them to, so be careful, ok?

August 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JohanaSchw

learners could try replying to their own posts with a disclaimer "honest question. don't downvote me", if they feel intimidated in their discussion forum

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

Complaining about downvoting is nothing new and has been going on for years in this forum. Here is a post from 3 years ago: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/16797240

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

I think the issue of downvoting is divisive.

It's a new crowd in here now.

Perhaps the balance of opinion in the community has shifted.

Discussion is the only option open to us to test this.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PatchyPatchy

I think people just see downvotes then do the same instead of reading!

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/unpeudeneige

legendary thread

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kiads404

yeah, i experienced this, I wrote a post about how i would want something to be added and then there were 5 downvotes and NO replies, like come on! What did I do wrong. You deserve 5 lingots, and I will donate that, thank you so much!

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sunflower_clan

I think duolingo should just take the feature off. in my opinion i think its best you don't like it at all then down vote it :(

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZombieMage1

There you go, Your on 100 ingots now =)

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Well deserved too. These discussions rarely survive.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MargeBlanc

Yes, I completely agree with this, sis. :)

August 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

Yeah i posted something about being nice on the forums and it's gotten -6 downvotes. The link to the tread is here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33401309 if you want to check it out and balance out the votes. Even the moderator Little_Tatws said there was nothing wrong with it, and I'm just generally confused about why people downvote so many things that aren't necessarily bad.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

The GamingSpeal. It was probably dvd only because so many other similar posts had appeared before yours that day/day before. We're all encouraged to check before posting. Move on, don't think about it any more, it just isn't worth the time.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pollyperki

Your opinion is always wise and experienced. Go up !

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Woody387892

TheGamingSpheal I just went to your post and upvoted as well as giving you a lingot. Like I mentioned in a previous comment here, I never knew about the search bar, especially since it is hiding over the advertisements which I don't pay attention to very often. There are always new members who probably don't know how to check for previous posts, just like I didn't. Duolingo tries hard to present us with a great learning site which I may also add is "Free." Why discourage someone or hurt someone's feelings to the point that they quit just because something may have posted before or may not understand something about a new language their attempting to learn. It doesn't cost anyone anything to be considerate and understanding. Happy Learning!!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

thanks!

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

I just went there, saw you had -1, then upvoted it to neutral. You're welcome. :)

EDIT: Geez, someone's fast. Thanks for the upvote and the lingot.

EDIT 2: Seeing that post at -1 again...

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

The link goes to a blank page. This is the effect of anonymous downvoting and the '-5 and die' rule. We can't even decide for ourselves as to whether there was anything 'wrong' with the thread.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JatinPress

I was able to see TheGamingSpheal's thread.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

it now has been upvoted to 5, so that may be why.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

oh

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

I'm pretty sure u saw my post cos u commented on it

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Yes because you are subscribed TGS you can still see and contribute to the thread. The rest of us must like Barney use our imagination.

EDIT PerfectEng554596 (no room to reply) my argument is not with Trolls its with Duolingo for facilitating them with '-5 and die'.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PerfectEng554596

Uphilldweller:

As someone told me when I posed a legitimate question, DFTT, hmmm, I suppose it might be nice to define what constitutes a troll? I agree with you...and thank you for your comments, but there are others who will not see your point so does that mean you are feeding them? Just a ponder..

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

Try again. It is there.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

At the time of writing Songve it is at -5 which means it would normally be hidden like it was nine hours ago.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

Yes, it is hidden but viewable with the link or if you followed it. I thought you said it was blank like you saw nothing from the link.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"viewable with the link" Songve this is not normally true (perhaps Tatws would like to comment further)?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

well, no wonder it was down voted. As Linda said plus complaining so deeply about down votes seems to attract prankster down voters as it is their food of choice. Keep feeding them emotional responses and they will come and win the game. Stop making posts like this and they starve and you win. Win or lose, it is up to you.

BTW, if the post was not an emotional reaction to down voters, I would have upvoted it. As would many here. It could still happen but I doubt it.

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MargeBlanc

Songve, Well-- it got 171 upvotes so I think Juliet Pavari got her point across pretty well. :) Happy Learning!

August 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/-Tsuki-

Yeah I agree.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noah1973

To be honest with you I don't even think there should be downvotes. It prevents moderators from dealing with spam effectively and it makes many users feel bad.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Daniel379898

This happens in any open board if the posts are ranked by votes. It's why I left Reddit. It's a bad system. I don't think you can fix the people.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

This is why I am afraid to post. Even if I post in the Indonesian section I only get two upvotes (besides here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33206000) and whenever I post in the English section it's downvote after downvote or the same, one or two upvotes.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Koezumi

You have nothing to prove to those people, just post whatever you think interesting is.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JohanaSchw

Downvotes should be capped so that the number doesn't go into the negative. When moderators critique legitimate posts, I would respond with "is it relevant? Is it accurate?"

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DanielVanD18

So it goes down when you downvote but never goes negative?

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

There are two hurdles.

1) Does the thread conform to the forum guidelines?

2) Can a thread attract upvotes faster than downvotes?

Note that no matter what anyone says; we don't know why downvoters strike. I don't think they sit in front of their screen consulting the guidelines - really I don’t know? They are our anonymous self certified censors.

Once hidden a thread will normally not revert to being visible unless its subscribers have unused votes to cast.

Of course a popular thread will attract upvotes so the minority will tend to see their topics of conversation hidden.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TSM_KIRBY

I too have experienced it. I hope it stops. Nice going. I like Italian too.

August 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TRUMP90311

I TOTALLY AGREE

August 17, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Koezumi

To me downvotes are meaningless, there will be always kids that like to do that for no reasons. I really think this feature is not useful and should be removed or improved. A thing like Facebook's reactions should be better imo.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Miki8307

Don't worry about downvotes. Here or anywhere else. Just do the right thing. Your value can be measured in how many ❤❤❤❤❤❤ people ally against you. Enjoy your downvotes.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jay709846

It's unfair, and may cause a great idea to be lost in ignorant negativity. You shouldn't be really annoyed, but it's still stupid.

P.S:and why enjoy it even if you shouldn't get annoyed?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ellacarter9

YES! Preach! LOL

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/7.J.7

I am so tired of seeing this topic being endlessles posted in the discussions. You said you were not trying to be mean, but in my opinion you are being both rude, mean, and egocentric. It is very, very egocentric and full of yourself to think that because those are the only reasons you would downvote, those should also be the only reasons others downvote - very egocentric, because it is like saying that only you know the valid reasons for downvoting. I find it very pushy, and totally out-of-line....to me, it is out-of-line, because it is none of your business why others choose to downvote because that is their choice to make, not yours. Stop trying to force you ideas and choices on to others. It's incredibly rude. Other people can downvote for whatever reason THEY see as valid - it is not YOUR choice, it's THEIRS.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nelson-James

Unfortunately we live in an age where even bad behavior is considered "someone's valid opinion". We promote an "anything goes" society and then we're surprised to find that we don't particularly like the society that we're living in, and that it doesn't seem to function very well.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarchinBunny

It will remain a topic as long as it continues to be a problem. That's typically how these things work.

"that because those are the only reasons you would downvote, those should also be the only reasons others downvote" So I learned that with 5 down votes your thread gets hidden. So, I think there is a valid concern here for people who down vote for stupid reasons.

That's like slamming the door in someone's face instead of being polite. And then when they have something to say about it, you call them rude lol. No, if you down voted them for a dumb reason, you are the one being rude XD.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

"...it is none of your business why others choose to downvote because that is their choice to make, not yours..."

[EDIT] I couldn't agree more; we have no idea about the downvoter's motivation. Luckily we have no shortage of mindreaders always ready to pop up and tell us that "this was discussed already", "complaining" etc.

Whether or not downvoters should have the power to nudge someone else's work towards darkness with the click of a mouse is the question under discussion.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MissPavari

I'm really sorry if you found this rude and egocentric. I am definitely NOT forcing my ideas onto others, and I'm very sorry if it came across to you as that. I was just sharing my personal thoughts and I really did not mean to offend you. Happy Learning! :)

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

MissPavari you have nothing to be sorry for.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MargeBlanc

Don't worry about it Juliet, you can't make everyone happy. I, for one completely agree with your post. -Your sister :)

August 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TRUMP90311

A lingot or more! :)

August 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Try again, Susannah, try again.... :)

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pollyperki

Why Susannah comment was not deleted inspite of minus 12 ?

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

The '-5' rule applies to the OP only. Once in thread we can say what we like provided we conform to the guidelines.

August 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

It only applies to posts. It can apply to comments but only if the comment is hurtful or rude.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

The Android app hides most (but not all) comments that go to -3 or below, but they can still be shown.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

It's interesting to note that the App appears to work differently to the mobile web I use.

Thanks to ASZ18101849 for pointing this out.

August 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pollyperki

Two days ago, I started a topic under the title " 1000 lingots ". That was coinciding with my gain of collectively 1000 lingots. In that topic I thanked duolingo and asked moderators to change their policy of voting. That topic was deleted only after 2 hours due to downvoting. What was " rude" in my topic?

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ASZ18101849

@pollyperki: It might have been seen as an "asking for lingots" post maybe? Not sure.

I actually posted two comments related to lingots and downvoting in this thread and when I checked this morning, both of the comments were at -8; probably the greatest amount of downvotes I've ever gotten on a comment.

EDIT: One of them got seen as self-advertising.

EDIT 2: Those comments have been deleted.

August 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

pollyperky

"Two days ago, I started a topic under the title " 1000 lingots ". That was coinciding with my gain of collectively 1000 lingots. In that topic I thanked duolingo and asked moderators to change their policy of voting. That topic was deleted only after 2 hours due to downvoting. What was " rude" in my topic?"

You did really well my thread proposing a change to lingots didn't last 20 minutes.

August 5, 2019
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