Finally finished the tree
After a lot of tears, blood and two broken keyboards I finally managed to finish the japanese tree.
It was a huge improvement over the previous one even without those countless audio-, hovering- and "this answer should be accepted"-issues being resolved.
Well except for the last one maybe, that one was a rushed catastrophe. It should've been spread over 3-4 skills instead of one (especially since this part is often ignored or cut very short in textbooks, at least the ones I know).
Your account was created 3 months ago and you gilded the tree (level 5). Your pace is insane! Wow. Very impressive!
I have 3,5 skills / 22 lessons left. In a few days I will have finished the tree at level 1. It’s been rather slow since I’ve been writing down all (or all that I was able to notice) grammar points so that I can make a spreadsheet doc with companion grammar guide reference links for each. Now that I’ll finish soon with it I can just do lessons and pick up the pace. That should be good for the 梟様 who oversees the a/b test metrics.
I had a lot of time, so I could invest several hours per day into it. I made sure not to complete (meaning bringing them to lvl5) more than 1-2 skills (of the new ones, the first 20 or so were refreshing old knowledge) per day though because I'd forget most of it the next day if i did more.
Woah, impressive! Congrats! RIP your keyboards though, what did you do to the poor things?
The first one simply died from high age, I used it for about 10 years after all The second one (fortunately a cheap one).... I overreacted a bit and hit on it splitting it in a few parts.
What other than (better implementation for the) colloquial skills would you like to see in the tree? What new content does it need in your opinion? If you’d kindly tell us. ;D
There are a few points, though i don't know how much of that would be possible to implement.
1.)The learning curve was i bit too much for me when new grammar was introduced, personally I would've preferred if it took more time letting you get used to it. I thought about something like that:
1st skill: Grammar get's introduced, only the very most basic examples.
2nd (& 3rd skill if it's a very hard part): Sentences slowly get more complex with different themes so you don't just remember the sentences but the actual structure.
Next skills: sentences at usual complexity from with grammar mixed from all parts. Basically the normal skills, where you mainly learn new words.
2.) I would've liked to see more overlap between the skills in terms of kanji and vocabulary. While there was some especially in the later skills, more of that makes learning easier for people who don't have the time to go back to the old skills every day.
3.) Dialects. At multiple occasions whan reading japanese texts for practice i encountered different dialects. I'm aware that fully teaching all of them is probably not possible here but the basics of the most common ones would be very helpful.
On a temporary account I'm using, which I made to get tree 2.0 the day it released to new users nearly three months ago, I still haven't even managed to reach the end of the tree yet with all the skills at level 1, let alone what you've done getting them all to level 5! Very impressive!!
It sounds like you were using your keyboard pretty heavily? Does this mean you were also typing all the Japanese sentences?
I have one request if you don't mind. It's going to be rather a while before I manage to complete and fully gild my 2.0 tree to check this myself. So I was wondering if you could check how many words it says you have on your "words" page for your finished Japanese 2.0 tree?
I don't mean the stats on Duome (which is something different), but the "words" page you can view here on Duolingo. Here's the guide I posted a year ago for accessing the words page for the Japanese course. This trick still works, and should be even easier to do now. Instead of doing steps 1-5, it should work just doing steps 1, 2, 4, 3 (in that order). Here's the thread:
For me, tree 2.0 currently says "492 words" on my temporary account (tempmoogle) for 83/92 skills completed and nearly all only on crown level 1.
Tree 1.0 has always said "998 words", all the way back from when it first released in beta and still saying the same now, for all 40/40 skills completed to crown level 5.
There isn't too much meaning behind the figure the word page says, as it's not in any way an accurate picture of how many words are truly taught in the course, but I'm just very curious about stuff like this. :D
I didn't know you could do that, interesting! It says 512 for me but that can't be right haha.
I see you've reached the end of the tree, but just not yet reached crown level 5 in all skills? This is interesting though. Thanks very much!
Yeah, there's no way tree 2.0 teaches 512 words, when tree 1.0 supposedly taught 998 words! :D
It will be interesting if it makes any difference having 5 crowns in all skills. I have a feeling it shouldn't as it made no difference in tree 1.0. But the situation is a little different, because tree 1.0 was created before the crowns system came in. So it might be possible, but I'm expecting it to still say 512 words though.
I've got at least level 2 in all skills - level 3 until the third checkpoint, 4 until Activity 2 and 5 until Restaurant. I never do any lessons though, always test out; maybe it's got something to do with that.
I'll try looking at the words-section in a few days, I will be very busy the next few days.
As for the keyboard: for the first half of the skill I wrote the japanese answeres with the keyboard but not for later ones. The first one died from high age (i used it for the last 10 years). And the second one was the casualty of an overreaction during a very frustrating part.