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Is the new CEFR-aligned German Tree still happening?

Just what the topic asks. There hasn't been much said about the new German tree for about three months.

August 8, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul_Harker

In another thread MOD Sarefo posted, regarding the CEFR-aligned German course: "Course has been canceled, a different course will be developed sometime in the future."

August 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwbrand1

In another thread MOD Sarefo posted, regarding the CEFR-aligned German course: "Course has been canceled, a different course will be developed sometime in the future."

Here is a direct link to Sarefo's post: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31748333$comment_id=33530588

August 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

Thanks for sharing this very sad news.


For the people who want to read this in the original discussion.
It's near the bottom of this thread
https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31748333/New-German-from-English-course-in-testing

August 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fehrerdef
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This is REALLY bad news. I was so urgently looking forward to see this tree in action (I have seen it in the testbed because I pafrticipated in developing it, but haven't been assigned to the "right" party in the A/B test).
I really can't understand that, because the tree is indeed very good (of course there have to be some corrections, but that happens with everything new).

:-(

August 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sea-mist

its not sad. we would of lost some of our current sentences and that had they done it now and the German course unlike many others is already at a high standard. Im so happy at that news. I was worried that the tree was about to be simplified,dumbed down to A1. New stuff is not always good when one looses old stuff which may be more advanced in the process. (Im already past A1 level and well into an A2 level with things).

That new tree if they introduced.. was just focused on A1 level .. so would not have helped many who were already here for a while learning the German. That's good for the newbies but not for many of the rest of us.

From that link on it and what duolingo told us was going to happen. Think about it.. all the more A2 level stuff on the current tree now.. we could of all lost if they had introduced it. They really need to have that all in place too before they think of introducing it. We would have had ONLY A1 level up to the celebrate skill by what they said. So before anyone thinks of complaining.. think.. are you already past A1 level?

"The first part of this course (from the beginning up to the skill "Celebrate") is a complete redesign, teaching German to A1 (beginner) level, according to CEFR, an international teaching standard. If you find any problems in this part, be sure to report them! To do so, please use the "report" function, as we cannot keep track of all the sentence discussions.

The rest of the course are the temporary "left-overs" of the current version. The teaching order is not yet optimized for this part. Once the new version replaces the old, we will work on creating an A2 (Elementary) level, gradually replacing the rest of the old tree." https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31748333/New-German-from-English-course-in-testing

August 9, 2019

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I have seen the new tree in the incubator. It is by no means simplified. On the contrary, it teaches many more topics in a structured way and reaches up to even some B-level themes, fully including A1 and A2. It is not focussed on A1 level, only ordering things neatly so that A1 comes first.

August 9, 2019

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fehrerdef. Ive heard some say that the current tree already has some B level stuff in it. (im close to passing A2 CEFR currently)

when some of the other CEFR trees were approved, I remember some complaining as some of the sentences had been removed rather than just adding to their current trees.

and thanks for your comment. Are you saying that sentences were not going to get entirely removed like they did with the other courses when they introduced that?

Either way the A1 stuff was not going to help me at all as I have already passed A1 with a quite good percentage pass. I think most who are also focused on learning from other sources at the same time as using duolingo would be passed A1 level by the time they get to level 20 (Im only half way through my tree yet passed it at the start of the year)

August 9, 2019

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Are you saying that sentences were not going to get entirely removed like they did with the other courses when they introduced that?

No, this can of course happen. But, so what? If they are replaced by better ones, I don't have any objections against it.

I agree with you that the current tree is already at a very high quality level (one of the best I know of, maybe only Norwegian from English and French from English are a little better). But there is still room for inmprovement. And you can believe me, it was an improvement.

August 9, 2019

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@Fehrerdef

I could not reply to your next comment, so I do it here.

....... agree with you that the current tree is already at a very high quality level (one of the best I know of, maybe only Norwegian from English and French from English are a little better).

In my experience, the current version of the course "Dutch from English" is much better than the current stable version of the course "German from English".

The Dutch course contains ....

  • more useful and challenging vocabulary and sentences

  • the grammar Tips and notes" in the "light bulbs" are ten times better

  • the additional "Overview of grammar explanations" is excellent
    https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/25020107


Concerning the beta version of the CEFR aligned tree "German from English"

  • My account pentaan16 does not have any grammar "Tips and notes" in the Android app.
    That would kill any German course!
    .
    In my opinion, Duolingo's paid staff is responsable for "bad statistics" (bad metrics) in the usual A/B test, not the volunteer course-contributors!

For people who are interested in the current beta version of the CEFR aligned German course:
Have a look at the overview of skills, words and grammar "Tips and notes" in
https://www.duome.eu/pentaan16/progress

  • select
    Skills "Sort by Original Order"
August 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fehrerdef
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That's why the tree was completely redone. But after months of development by the contributing team, Duo cancelled it.

August 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fehrerdef
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I think it is completed already, but currently in the A/B test phase so that only some (randomly) selected users can see it.

August 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SecretlyAHippo

:(

Guess I'm one of the non-selected users.

August 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Royal1223

I can see the CEFR aligned tree, it's awesome. I thought everyone would be able to see it. Russian and Turkish courses are also CEFR aligned.

August 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DanFarber1

Duo lie all the time so obviously it's not in and will never be

August 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Royal1223

:(

August 10, 2019
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