I finished the French tree and was told I had "conquered a course", but...

I have not done many of the other things I want to do here in French on Duolingo. Yes, I finished the French tree, but not all of it is finished at level five; it is not all golden. Also: I am still at level 23, not at level 25, because I have not done as many exercises as one could do in French. So I plan to keep working on my French here on Duolingo until I get a tree that is complete with everything done at level five. I suspect that by then I will have attained level 25.

I am also studying other languages here and have discovered the wonderful discussion boards where incredibly intelligent polyglots gather to discuss wonderful, erudite subjects of which I understand only a small amount. Nonetheless, I am very grateful to have discovered Duolingo and that I keep discovering more of Duolingo as time passes.

August 10, 2019


but not all of it is finished at level five; it is not ALL golden
...So I plan to keep working on my French here on Duolingo until I get a tree that is complete with EVERYTHING done at level five

If I were you, I would stick to L1-L4 crown skills first (not to finish ALL L4 lessons).


Otherwise you will run into the "L5 crown level bug" which will corrupt your PRACTICE button only giving you the easier / beginner stuff (incl. picture exercises).

It has been 1 year and 4 months since the crown update and we got several web UI frontend code changes in 2019, but I have not seen staff any official announcement that this prio 1 bug or others has been fixed.

Quote: I suspect that by then I will have attained level 25.

Old skills will auto-level up nowadays based on your words progress:

You can practice L1-L4 skills either with the global barbell button or with the hidden "skill practice" button.


As I said, you should be fine starting multiple L4 skill "crown sessions" (=lessons)....but do not try to complete them all.

Be aware that skills in the middle section or the bottom of your tree might bring other L3-L4 crown skills up in the level without having you done those explicit lessons.

At least this how my 2-3 Portuguese trees work now for several skills which auto-level up to L2 from L1 (I would have to check my two PT reverse trees for L3 skills first which I have not done manually yet).

I have seen this also finally affecting my Non-CEFR trees.

August 10, 2019

Thanks for the information about the practice bug. I always finished my skills at Level 5 and couldn't understand why the practice was suddenly so basic (and useless) after the tree restructuring six months (or so) back. I complained about this but didn't realize it was a documented bug.

August 10, 2019

Why are some people able to complete their trees completely in gold (meaning that they have reached Level 5 in everything)? Why doesn't the bug affect them? There is currently a thread about someone who did that in Hebrew and another one who did it in Spanish and took a screenshot of it.

Where does this bug hit and what languages does it hit?

Exactly what must I do to avoid it, because I intend to keep using Duolingo to do lessons I have not yet done in order to get more practice.

August 14, 2019

Thank you for all this information. It is far too much for me to digest early in the morning (which it is now as I read this). I do not know anything about the issue you raised. I do not understand crown levels or how skills "level up". I just go along studying. All of this seems complicated and overwhelming to me right now. But I am glad to know it exists if it is all lurking there in the background!

August 10, 2019

Pour mieux étudier le français et d'atteindre le pouvoir de converser en la langue, tu devrais télécharger l'application << français authéntique. >> Il - y - a un podcast avec des transcriptions.

August 11, 2019

Merci, Joseph. Ma problème avec la langue est la vitesse quand une personne française me parle. Je n'ai pas les mêmes problemes quand je parle avec les autres personnes étrangères. Je pense que j'ai besoin de la télévision francaise!

August 12, 2019

The course is allowing you to carry on to the perfect standard after telling you that you had "conquered" your course. Well, hopefully you will then receive a message informing you that you have excelled in your course! Bon courage!

August 10, 2019

Thank you for the encouragement, Dorothy.

August 10, 2019

Just set your expectations straight. Finishing Duolingo in any language will not make you fluent in that language. Doing several, but doing nothing else, will not make you into a polyglot.

Most of the people on the site who really know their languages have progressed their learning outside of Duolingo. Like you I'm very grateful that nonetheless they continue to use the site and provide the discussions and clarifications we mere mortals crave!

August 10, 2019

Thank you for your sound advice. I study language where I find it. This is certainly not the first place I have found it. I have forgotten more French than I learned here, but I have also added some French here that I never knew. And I never studied Czech at all until I came to Duolingo. I find that one never knows when an opportunity will present itself.

I was introduced to French, Spanish, and German in classrooms with text books. I learned grammar and conjugated verbs. I was introduced to Italian because I got engaged to my husband and went from France to Italy. In Italy his friends and family all spoke Italian to each other even though they tried to speak to me in English or French. So Italian came at me purely through my ears. It was a totally different experience. Later I found a grammar book (French into Italian) and started to learn some grammar, but my entire approach to Italian was dfferent.

I am not fluent in any language but English. :-)

August 10, 2019

on Youtube there is a person with some interesting things to say about language learning who calls herself - she recommends that you not use grammar books etc until you have mastered the basics of the language. Too much thinking ruins it. She lists all kinds of learning resources for beginners. I like to think of myself as just a child in my new language, Spanish in this case, and look for books and videos that Spanish speakers use to teach their kids. I've made a lot of progress like this. Duolingo has gotten me a long way but you have to start using the language to really start to get it. In your native language you just talk and can make up new phrases etc. no problem. It's fun. If you want to find real spanish books search for stuff in español, not English. I really love comic books. Dialogue with pictures. Perfect! Buen suerte!

August 11, 2019


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August 10, 2019

I wouldn't, honestly. If you're worried about all the nitty-gritty stuff - read a book, then another book, it'll come in time. If you learnt the vocab from Duo, you can now read a Harry Potter level book, with the aid of a dictionary for the new vocab - might look overwhelming, but it gets a lot better after the first chapter if you learn it all. While Duo can help drill patterns, exposure to the real language is ultimately needed.

I just use Duo to count total days of French now.

August 10, 2019

Yeah it is sad that not all is in Gold. And for me,that started the course before they made the changings 2 years ago, it's worse. Some don't even show ''Level 1'' finished altought I have done all the levels but I am happy with my ''gold DUO'' at the end. This week I found the ''stories'' panel and IT IS PERFECT to pratice everything we' ve learned !!!!!!

August 10, 2019

Yes! I, also, made sure I had read all the stories before I finished my French tree. I really enjoyed the stories.

When I was partway through the French course Duo introduced some more stories. These were at an even easier level than the beginning stories they had previously used. I still read them all. The final story I read had a distinctly noir feel to it; I was surprised by it and impressed by the adult style of the writing. Many of the stories seemed to have been written for an audience that might include children. Often they seemed incredibly upbeat and featured pixies and characters out of fairy tales. The final one I read was distinctly different.

August 11, 2019
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