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"Gott mit uns"

It means "God is with us".Why it is not "Gott ist mit uns"?

July 23, 2012

9 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Katherle

"Gott mit uns" ("God with us") is not a complete sentence, it's a phrase. It was used in this form on the coat of arms of the king of Prussia and later in the German military.

As for why they chose not to use a complete sentence like "Gott ist mit uns" (God is with us) or "Gott sei mit uns" (God be with us) - I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the phrase goes back to a Latin battle cry, which also didn't contain the verb "to be": "nobiscum deus". This battle cry is apparently an allusion to a passage in the Bible, where again the verb "to be" is omitted. Matthew 1,23: "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

I guess the reason for the omission of "to be" in the Bible is that the passage in question translates the meaning of the Hebrew name Emmanuel. AFAIK, like Arabic, Hebrew doesn't use the verb "to be" in the present tense.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

May I ask where you came across this phrase? It's a historical expression and not much used anymore today.

July 23, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Katherle

Omidvaram ke in baraye shoma mofid bashe. :)

July 23, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/siebolt

That I would like to learn: Farsi

July 23, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Dorfl

Katherle, you are correct, Hebrew indeed doesn't have the verb "to be" in the sense that Latin and Germanic languages. That is, there are two verbs in the sentence "I don't want to be sad" (one for "want" and one for "be"), but there are no verbs in "I am sad".

July 24, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Katherle

@Dorfl: Thanks for the confirmation! I really should learn Hebrew, it's a very beautiful language. :) I was actually on the point of buying a Hebrew language course for self-study some weeks ago, but then I thought that maybe that would be a bit too much at the moment.

I have to admit that my hypothesis that the phrase above does not contain the verb "to be" because it goes back to a translation of the name Emmanuel is a bit speculative, but apparently also the Greek original of the New Testament passage omits the verb "to be", so it could well be true.

July 24, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Katherle

@Siebolt: I learnt some Farsi a couple of years ago, but unfortunately by now I've forgotten most of it. Again, I can highly recommend studying it: the language has a very pleasant, melodious sound (a bit like French, actually), and, most importantly, the grammar is very accessible to the learner. No endless messing around with articles, cases and exceptions like in German. My Farsi teacher used to say that the whole grammar would fit on a postcard! Maybe that was slightly exaggerated, but the grammar really is a lot easier than in German.

July 24, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/siebolt

@ Katherle: I think your teacher wasn't exaggerating very much. I have a Farsi course, but never got farther than a third. From what I have seen, the biggest problem is verbs. You have to learn the different main forms and then off you go. budan >> hastam.

July 24, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/mohammadamin

Katherle,thanks!I read this phrase in a history book about Great war.it was written on german weapons.

July 24, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/mohammadamin

Friends! if you like, ask me your questions about Farsi. it is my native language and I will become so glad if I can help you!

July 24, 2012
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