https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maryam330708

welsh pronoun help !

In the lesson present 3 in the welsh course there are some confusing stuff. When do we use mae/maen and when ydy/ydyn . why can't we say maen nhw ddim yn it has to be dydyn nhw ddim yn? please help

August 20, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Simon73073

I'm just wrestling with this topic at the moment. On the second question - from what I understand, there are different forms of the verb bod (to be) in positive and negative sentences.

Part of what made it confusing for me is that, up to here, we've just been using "dw i" and "dych chi", which in colloquial Welsh (what we're learning) are the SAME in both positive and negative.

But that's not true for the "they" form. Hence, while you say "Maen nhw'n", when it goes negative you have to say "Dydyn nhw ddim yn".

What I've noticed in the table is that there are formal (I think) versions of "Dw i" and "Dych chi" which also change. So you can say "Rydw i'n" but it has to be "Dydw i ddim yn". They started us off on easier forms that don't change between positive and negative.

I think the answer to your question about "Ydy" is along the same lines, but I'm still getting to grips with it. So for the chi form, it's "Dych chi" whether you're making a statement or asking a question. But for other forms this changes: "Mae e" for "He is", but "Ydy e" for "Is he...?"

I hope I've a) got this right and b) helped rather than confused more! You're by no means the only one finding this confusing...

August 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rip_in_peace

I can at least confirm that the info is right, as far as I know, and if I haven't overlooked anything.

August 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ibisc

See the table in the notes for 'Present 3' - https://www.duolingo.com/skill/cy/Present-3/tips-and-notes

There are notes for most sections of the course - see https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/17638579 - and we suggest reading the notes for each section as you start it.

August 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maryam330708

Thank you but I did read the notes but I was still a bit confused. I think I'll get it by practice . Thank you very much

August 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ibisc

What do you need help with?

August 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Moira582602

That's the way Welsh works, you initial verb letter changes for negation to a "d" (if there is already a "d" there you don't change it normally). You need to read the notes and that will explain what happens with in the verb for negation and questions.

Make sure that yon't jump sections, go through it systematically. Welsh is not a Latin based language. So the rules are different. You need to read the notes for each section before you do that section. If you read them carefully and don't jump around, they do explain the grammar.

Use the boxes on each section too. IBISC and other moderators and more advance Welsh speakers will help. So take them up on the offer.

Good luck. With practice you will progress, just remember Welsh is a Celtic language so grammar and word order will be different and you have mutations too. But it is interesting and a lovely language.

September 3, 2019
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