https://www.duolingo.com/TL---

Project Finnish!

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Hi, I just sent my contribution application to Duolingo. I hope that I get accepted. I've noticed that there are several other Finnish people around here who would also like to contribute to the course. If this discussion gets enough up votes and people say that they want to learn Finnish here, maybe Duolingo will accept our applications and you will soon be able to learn Finnish! Finnish people are very hard working, so the job will be done in no time. So if you are at least a little interested in learning the language -> Up vote! It may not be the most sought after course, but it sure is awesome! It has words like "juoksentelisinkohankaan", which means: I wonder if I should continue running around aimlessly? If the course will be added, we will maybe include a section with that kind of words, so you can impress your Finnish friends.

And you other Finnish people who would also like to contribute, identify yourselves in the comment section below, so that people will see that we are willing to make the Project Finnish! come true!

Thank you, and spread the word!

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/SongbirdSandra

Yay! I want to learn Finnish! I wish I could give this thread 500 upvotes. :-) Thank you so much for offering to help with a Finnish course.

Yes, I know that other Finnish Duo friends have offered to help, as well (annika_a is one of them).

What do you say, everyone? Who else is interested in the challenge of Finnish?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Thanks for remembering me :-) Yup, still here, ready to participate if and when a course is created.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matthew.aric
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I am!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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https://www.duolingo.com/ReneeOwens2
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oh is this group nomore? link doesnt work!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReneeOwens2
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Yes please, we need to learn Finish prior to a move back to Finland!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Yay! I'm learning Finnish at home on my own, but I know that I would do much better if I had a Duolingo course to help me. I had struggled with Italian on my own for a long time, but I am flying through it now with Duolingo.

Go team Finland! I hope that you get asked to build a course soon. I'm off to memorise juoksentelisinkohankaan now. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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I actually could have used that word yesterday! I wanted to go for a run (but my running is more of a random jog around, so more juoksentelua than actual juoksua), but it was raining a lot after the first football game ended. So I could have said "juoksentelisinkohankaan sittenkään" = "should I run around a bit after all".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I used it with my Finnish friend. He was most impressed. Of course, he knows my level of Finnish is very low, so he was not fooled, and knew I had just read it somewhere. But it was fun anyway. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matthew.aric
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I love moomins!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Great to meet a fellow fan. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

Who doesn't like the Moomins! I am from Finland and grew up on them! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/goldberrygirl
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So do I! Moominpappa is the best!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FinnyInSpace

Eheh personally i really like Snufkin and the Joxter

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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https://www.duolingo.com/AghaZC
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Link does not open for me

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

AghaZC, I have carefully checked: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ is the way you can join us. One person, who, I believe, is lately very busy, must manually enter each new member; so it may take just a little while.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kgm_7

Can I ask what the hardest skill has been so far in Italian?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I found clitics the hardest so far. Even after I first passed it, I still didn't really understand. I'm a way past it now though, and I've finally almost got the hang of it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kgm_7

Are clitics like possessions? I don't really understand what they are :S. And also how long have you been learning Italian on Duolingo for?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I didn't even learn grammar in English, so trying to understand and explain it is really hard for me, but clitics are to do with 'indirect object pronouns'.

So, while 'he' is normally 'lui', if 'he' is the indirect subject of the sentence, (for instance, "I gave the book to him") 'lui' becomes 'gli' and moves to the beginning of the sentence. Or something like that. :\

Even if I can't explain it, I am finding that with constant repetition I am at least starting to understand the meaning of the sentences, and recognise when I should be using the clitics.

Oh, and I have been on Duolingo for 62 days. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/allenfrang

This sounds very similar to (my native) Spanish, where you could say:

"I gave the book to him" ->

"Di el libro a el" "Le di el libro"

I didn't even know these can be considered clitics! I read just last night how some old Germanic language (I believe it was Gothic) had all sorts of clitics, which in particular are not present in more modern Germanic tongues.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Persikov

"Clitics" doesn't have a linguistically airtight definition, but they are a category between affixes (word beginnings or endings) and independent words. The possessive 's is an example, as are the indirect and direct object pronouns in Romance languages.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I just call them 'evil little words that the Italians invented to torture me with', but your definition is much clearer. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I take it back. I'm having a nightmare at the moment with 'future perfect' tense. I've been at it all day, and I'm still only half way through the subject. :(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Haha :D Thanks Moomingirl! I have tried to pull it off in a sentence, but I haven't succeeded yet :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Isn't it a sentence all on it's own? ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Well, I think you should add "enää" (=any more) in the end :) "Juoksentelisinkohankaan enää" Ps. Someone actually downvoted this discussion and a couple of the comments :O

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Yes, there seems to be a problem with people down voting everything in sight recently.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alfonsofernan

It's a beautiful language, in sound and form, spoken in an amazing serene and pristine country, an inspiration for some of the most elaborate and complete constructed linguistic sagas (Tolkein's Quenya), and I would love to tackle the challenge of learning it.

If votes, comments and Lingots might help convince the team that a Finnish course should be developed - you have all three from me.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thank you so much alfonsofernan! It means a lot :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anggx0
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I would LOVE a course for Finnish!!! It's so hard to find any resources to learn Finnish and I'm not really sure where to start. Duolingo would be great for that! I've only used it for French, which I already had a background in when I started learning. It would be interesting to start learning a language from scratch using Duolingo.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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https://www.duolingo.com/TheCenterZone

Finnish is one of the coolest languages ever! I have been fascinated with the fact that Finnish is actually a non-Indo European language and yet it has become one of the biggest languages in Europe. I would say the same for Hungarian and Estonian (but Finnish is my Favorite of the three). I would definitely add Finnish to many list of learning languages if it came out.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Evisceratorium

Finnish only has about 5 million speakers, I'd be rather hard-pressed to call it "one of the biggest languages in Europe". Maybe it's "one" of the biggest in an absolute sense if you include every single obscure language like Sami and Romansh, but French, Spanish, German, Dutch, Portguese, Italian, Russian, Romanian, Swedish, Polish, Belarusian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Czech, Albanian, Greek and Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian are all bigger in the sense of population. (I probably missed a couple more, too.) Finnish is pretty far down the list. ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCenterZone

I agree Finnish is smaller than other languages, but it's not that small. It is up in the list with Slovak, Norwegian, and Danish. There are 6,000-7,000 languages in the world, but at least it made the top 200:) I like languages such as Latvian and Icelandic and they don't even have over 3 million.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hdcanis
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Yeah, in overall list of the languages of the world it is in the top group and in Europe probably halfway, but it feels a bit odd to call it "one of the biggest" in a group that includes English, French, Spanish, German, Russian...

Because we are about five millions living in Finland and from what I heard about one million speakers abroad (I wonder how that works though, does it include e.g. fourth generation emigrants in America who know occasional Finglish...)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joel384309
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Lots of finns in Sweden

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finnmark

Lithuanian has just over 3 million. And if the smaller, the better, learn Ido - it's designed to be easy to learn, and it has about 1500 speakers.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCenterZone

Do speak or study Ido?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finnmark

I speak it fairly well - at the very least, I can make myself understood, creating words from French and German, and I can almost always understand most words (Though some of the Germanic-roots throw me off).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCenterZone

Have you ever spoken to anyone in the language in real life and are there good books/readings in Ido? Just wondering, but is it a mix of Latin and Germanic languages? Could you share what resource(s) you used for studying it, that is if you do not mind.

Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finnmark

All right. If you're a native English speaker, here are some useful resources.

http://idolinguo.org.uk/eniddyer.htm - Fairly large dictionary

https://io.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frontispico - Ido Wiktionary - you can look up Ido words and see their English, Russian, German, Spanish, French, Italian and Finnish (Though Finnish is not a source language of the roots, it's surprisingly a good resource). I am one of the three editors.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Easy_Ido - This pretty much covers ALL the grammar in 8 lessons, aside from one point (If you decide to read it, message me and I'll tell you that part that they missed.)

http://www.ido.li/index.php/ULI/Progreso358 - PROGRESO (Progress) - this is like Times, but it's all in Ido and quite interesting to read. 331 issues online so far, so you'll have loads to read.

http://linguoido.ning.com/ - A social network entirely in Ido. I'm not on it, but it looks fun, and it's a good way to practise, even if you don't comment.

All the Ido community is surprisingly warm, at least, in my opinion when I was first learning Ido.

A couple of classics like the Little Prince and Alice in Wonderland have been translated into Ido, but I have no idea where I would find them on the internet.

And the main 3 languages that it takes into consideration are Spanish, French and Italian (with English, Russian and German influencing the words as well).

As for using Ido, there are Ido conventions every year - this year, I think it will be held in Kiev. I would go, but I can't. Sometimes, I write lengthy (five pages or so) poems in Ido, and send it to one of my Idisti.

EDIT: Also, one more thing: Ido is mutually intelligble with Spanish (That's the only romance language I've tested Ido on) - I went around Madrid speaking Ido, and people understood me - albeit saying that I speak very poor Spanish.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCenterZone

Hey, thanks! If Ido is so close to Spanish that real Spanish speakers understand it, wouldn't it make more sense to just learn Spanish, or Spanish first? It just doesn't make sense. It seems like from what you said maybe this is an artificial dialect rather than a language. Very interesting though. Good luck on you language learning.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finnmark

It's probably mutually intelligible with Italian and Portuguese as well. And yes, it makes the road easier if you know an Italic language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Finnmark

Belarusian, 7 million people CLAIM to know it, but about 3.5 million actually know it. And all people who speak Belarusian know Russian, so Finnish triumphes Belarusian by far.

Sorry for being hypercritical!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Evisceratorium

Hm, yes, I had read about that but I didn't interpret it the way you did. I'll take your word for it. How does that even work; do the people who think they know Belarusian actually know Russian?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nlazouski
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Everyone is required to study it in schools in urban areas and schools in rural areas are actually taught completely in Belarusian. But learning a language and knowing it are different things. Just about everyone can understand spoken word and write it (it's plain phonetic), but not everyone can read well and speak just be a jumble of Belarusian and Russian words (trasyanka- трасянка). A similar situation is happening with Irish Gaelic in Ireland, if you're familiar with that.

You can still find Belarusian just about everywhere rurally in pure form, but usually older people speak it. Younger people are even embarrassed to speak it sometimes, even if they know it.

"Patriots", such as Finnmark above, easily identified by the white-red-white (БЧБ) flag, try to promote the language (amongst other things) and use it in everyday life (and get strange looks from others).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Evisceratorium

Perfect explanation, thanks! Here, have a few lingots. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ole2402
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Maybe, Finnish is not the biggest language in a sense of population. But I think there are much more native speakers than there are with -let's say- Welsh and Irish. And these two last mentioned are already active courses, here at Duolingo. So, I am pretty optimistic, that Finnish might get an own course, at last. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Ole, Yes, The head of Duolingo stated that we will get a Finnish course (eventually).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomosWalker

Yes, I'm a native Welsh speaker, only less than 500,000 of us :(

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kgm_7

Yay! I won't mind learning my neighbour language :) Bring on those heavy consonants!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Swedish is actually my mother tongue :D But I still speak Finnish just as good. Trevligt att du vill lära dig vårt språk!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kgm_7

Min glädje! I think after my Italian lessons, if Finnish is available by then, I might try it! If not then I might give another Romance language a go! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/G0108

Romanian!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matthew.aric
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And lots of vowels!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PahaKeijukainen

For around 8 years I wanted to learn Finnish now, bought a book, started a course and thought about making a course in university (unfortunately the course never fits into my schedule). If I could learn it with Duolingo I'd be happy as hell since Finnish is one of the most beautiful languages ever :) I only imagine that it's quite hard to learn the grammar with the Duolingo method. I really hope your applications will be accepted :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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With that user name, I really thought you were Finnish :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PahaKeijukainen

Haha nope :D Just a Finland lover for many years. By this I unwantedly tricked many users on the internet :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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I consider myself tricked! :-) And wish you onnea matkaan with your endeavor -- hopefully Duolingo can help you with this soon. (But I guess if you've been at it for 8 years, a few months more or less won't matter...) ;-)

Have you tried the courses on Memrise? My spouse really needs to learn Finnish, and has tried one on the courses there, but so far it doesn't seem to going that well... I am just wondering whether there is one course on there above the rest.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PahaKeijukainen

Kiitos paljon :) I heard about Memrise from a friend but I didn't notice that they offer Finnish. Maybe I could try it out and tell you later if it worked for me ;)

I guess in the end I'll end up taking classes in university ;) (if I ever manage to organise my schedule according to finnish class times...)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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I'm using the 'Basic Finnish' course on Memrise. It's good for increasing vocabulary, but there are no sentences at all. I may have to look around at some of the other courses.

I am just hoping that one day I will be able to put together the stuff from my textbook, along with the extra vocabulary, and be able to make some sense of it all.

4 years ago

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Another user in this thread finds that the Finnish courses on Memrise don't really work for him/her. :-(

I tried a little bit of both of the "3000 words of Finnish" courses just to test them out, and they seemed OK to me, but it is of course impossible to put yourself in the position of a learner when you already know the stuff. Generally, there seems to be a wide variety in the types and qualities of the courses on Memrise. But as with Duolingo, it's free, so there's no reason not to give it a try! I find it really useful for practicing verb conjugations (in French).

4 years ago

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It got me too! hahah

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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Don't give up!! Join the fight! https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

3 years ago

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Any word? Any news?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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Nothing big .... they acknowledged our existence at least. and gave a BIIIIG .... maybe .... and a cute who-knows-when .... :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maggiesoup

Any room for English natives who speak Finnish as well?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Of course! I don't know how many people can help out with a single course, but I think that we can get you in if (when) Duo accepts our applications :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matthew.aric
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I know your comment is old, but I just saw it. I think that if you're even remotely interested in contributing you should totally apply! (if you haven't already) It would increase our chances of b eing noticed if more people applied!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maggiesoup

Okay, I can apply! I have a word document where I wrote the English portion, I just need to translate it. Actually I was worried about my age, but then I saw how young the Irish kid is!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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Did you get it translated already?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maggiesoup

Yeah, I submitted my application months ago, but I never heard back.

4 years ago

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Maybe ask on their Facebook page. I heard companies can be quite responsive on social networks due to the visibility.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

The same thing happened to me..

4 years ago

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I think that's a great method for getting noticed. Join the fight! https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Felix_Bluetooth

+1 for Finnish!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Miranda_CB

+2 - yes!

1 year ago

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I guess someone lost his mind at Duolingo... Have you seen, what is the new course in incubator?? https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/hv/en/status - High Valyrian.... Ridiculous... With one contributor... A language which has the relevance like the Klingon has... A Finnish course would be done easier, faster, with real voice recordings, with hundreds more contributors...

2 years ago

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What a ridiculous bs indeed! I should be feeling lucky that the mods were sane at the time when Hungarian went into the incubator. Too bad Finnish is the victim now.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RenataNino

I do agree! I am learning some Finnish at Memrise.com now. Have you checked it out?

2 years ago

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I do not need that, I already speak the language, I just want to help to build it :) En tarvitse sitä, puhun jo kieltä, haluan vain auttaa rakentamaan sen :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RenataNino

Oh, sorry, I didn't know that! I hope you get the chance to help build a Finnish course for Duolingo. Onnea sinulle!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Do we actually think "Klingon" (owned by Paramount Movie Studios, Hollywood) will e v e r get out of its comfortable little (33%) incubator? And now "High Valerian"???---hobby "inventions" (in little eggshells). Why do we see these "perpetual fantasies?" They excite the fantasy-inclined hobbyist...to fantasize! And, I suppose, to people so inclined, make "Duolingo" look..."cool,"...like "Wow!" Suomi is a beautiful, natural, (national), language. So, what is our focus?

2 years ago

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I have a horrible suspicion that the reason is this: Duolingo's success as a company is measured by the total number of users. Therefore the priority it attaches to a language (which has to be balanced against technical difficulties in adding it) is based not on the number of people who want to learn a given language but the number of people who might use Duolingo to learn this language who are not already using Duolingo to study something else.

Fantasy languages are a minority interest, but a relatively high proportion of those interested will be people not otherwise interested in language learning...

Of course there are many people who enjoy both fantasy literature and language learning. But many do not.

Your question is: where are the people who are/will be interested in learning Finnish - but ONLY Finnish?

Finnish is a beautiful and fascinating language, which would genuinely be of use to me to learn. But so useful that I can afford to degrade my knowledge of French, German or Russian? Honestly, no. Which proves their point.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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I've only stayed around for so long because I'm hoping that Finnish will come one day. Maybe I should leave to help the cause? :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gingerbeer

Yep, it's the only reason I'm here. I've played about with the language tools, but the site is pretty much useless to me without Finnish. I've started using other websites meanwhile, as I can't really wait around for Duolingo to get going.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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It is counterintuitive, but I fear may be correct. Actually, what would be even better: THREATEN to leave... ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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Agreed! My more serious point is that we need to identify who are the people, like yourself, for whom Finnish is the primary reason for being here.
And any non-governmental organisations who would refer people en masse to Duolingo's Finnish course, if such a thing existed...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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There must be organisations that take care of teaching Finnish to immigrants, right? Last year, when the immigration wave was high, I read somewhere that there was a lack of teachers and they were looking for ways to teach Finnish online. They should have found Duolingo by now, shouldn't they?

2 years ago

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Well, why would these organizations find Duolingo, since there's no Finnish course on here...? ;-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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@widle: Any chance of finding any news articles about these organisations and their difficulties in finding teachers to teach Finnish?

I read somewhere that the highest proportion of Swedish learners on Duolingo are in Sweden - because Sweden has a large number of recent immigrants who are using Duolingo to learn.

I suspect that a forum topic summarizing a similar need in Finland, linking to news articles discussing this (summarized in English if necessary) may have more impact on Duolingo, than all the motivated, enthusiastic learners and would-be teachers on pages like this :/

I believe that Ukrainian went into the system rapidly because enquiries by an American charitable organisation demonstrated the existence of a sizeable market of learners awaiting the language.

I am aware that the structure of Finnish appears to pose significant technical problems to Duolingo, which is probably a major contributor to the lack of movement on this. But given that Hungarian is now in development, now might be a good time to try to make the case for Finnish in this way.

Here's hoping...

2 years ago

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@daughterofAlbion I think I read it on the simple news, so there weren't any details there. It will probably be much easier to find this kind of information in Finnish, but full articles are still a bit above my level.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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That's quite hard to do when they don't listen.

2 years ago

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My experience is that, that most of the users here study more than one language. every language has a place here, every natural language, and sometimes the artificial ones, but for me, comparing Finnish with a language I've never heard, because I do not follow Game of Thrones... is ridiculous. Finnish is important, and if we want to mix is somehow with fantasy, then here it is: it was partially the basic of Tolkien's languages. :)

2 years ago

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To be honest, most of Duolingo's 100M+ registered users have probably just played around with one language for a bit, and then never come back.

We only see the active people here, who stay around for a long time and learn several languages, and have probably learned languages before.

2 years ago

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daughter, I'm 90% sure there are more people seeking improvement in standard of living who want to learn Finnish than who want to learn High Valyrian.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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This was discussed elsewhere, by someone who has analysed statistics on the courses. Apparently although a large number of English users learn multiple languages, amongst those whose native language is not English the majority (by no means all!) are focussed on learning one major language (often English). Presumably many of these are doing it for career purposes, rather than love of language learning, which will give them considerable staying power, and make them ideal target customers.
And those who are trying to emigrate to America or Germany, because of perceived improvements in standard of living, are unlikely to be swayed by the beauty or linguistic importance of Finnish. :/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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@scarcerer: I heartily agree that moving to Finland would be a good choice for those seeking to improve their quality of life. But America and Germany are better known destinations, and their lifestyle more familiar because their television programmes have a wider circulation than those from Finland. So how well known is this? And how many migrants does Finland accept? (compared to larger countries)
"Game of Thrones" has an international distribution, so worldwide the fanbase is huge. Even if only 5% can be interested in learning an invented language, that is still a large figure. (Remember also that invented languages are generally easier to learn, precisely because they are invented.)
I would like you to be right, but I fear you are not. This is not about what would be sensible, but what is known. If you know neither English nor Finnish, it is more likely that you have a concept of America, Britain, Australia or South Africa, gained from watching their TV shows and films, translated into your local language. How many Finnish shows are marketed as internationally? The image of a country obtained from how it is portrayed is likely to be deeply flawed, but if you know you want to know more, you can try to find out. If you don't know anything about Finland, you don't know that you need to know more. I fear that the number of people who know enough about Finland to know that Finland would be a good destination, without already have some foreign language experience to give them enough information, is likely to be small.

2 years ago

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Even the actress who plays Danaerys says she sometimes makes it up as she goes along :-/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SadduSaddu

Hi, I'll volunteer. I have actually studied Finnish language and communication at unversity level and work as a translator. Finnish is my native language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yeah! Great to have you with us :) Just fill in the application at incubator.duolingo.com and your good to go!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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After they accept you of course :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BobbieL
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I really admire everyone who's willing to put in the time and effort that it takes to build these courses and to help make them available to the world. :)

4 years ago

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I haven't been very active in Duolingo recently (studying Norwegian on my own), but I'm still very eager to have the Finnish course started. I applied the same day the Incubator was released last year so I have waited for some time now :)

Here are some resources that I have collected to my bookmarks so far:

http://oppiminen.yle.fi/suomi-finnish - Study material by The Finnish Broadcasting Company, Yle. Beginners might want to start here: http://www.oneness.vu.lt/fi/ (It's an old webpage so some links are broken, but you can still do the exercises.)

http://www11.edu.fi/ymmarra/index.php - Great site by The Finnish National Board of Education. It has a simple dictionary (Sanakirja), verb conjugation guide (Verbiluettelo), grammar guide (Kielioppi) and lots of text with audio (a real person reading!) and exercises. Highly recommend!

http://yle.fi/selkouutiset/ - News by Yle with simplified Finnish, has both text and audio (the reading is very slow so it's easier to follow).

I'm also willing to make shared flashcards for Anki if anyone is interested, maybe a deck of basic vocabulary with pictures so you don't even have to know English for that, and another deck for short phrases. Let me know if you want me to do that :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Thank you so much for posting the links.

I for one would be very excited to have your Anki flash cards. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannap
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Alright, this is what I have done so far: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/581805485

It's very simple deck with words that I came up with, and I will continue making it bigger with more vocabulary. I'm also going to make one deck for phrases later.

We are soon celebrating the most important Finnish holiday called juhannus (Midsummer), so you might not hear from me for few days :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Thank you so much for your work on this, sannap. I need to go out now but I will have a look later today. I really appreciate your help.

Hyvä juhannus. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannap
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You're welcome! And here's a grammar tip to make your sentence perfect: We use partitive in greetings and holiday wishes which adds -a/-ä/-ta/-tä/-tta/-ttä to the end of words. Like this:

Hyvä-ä juhannus-ta!

Hyvä-ä huomen-ta! (= Good morning)

Onnellis-ta uu-tta vuo-tta! (= Happy New Year)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Thanks for the corrections. :)

I had a quick look at your cards, and they are really helpful. I am just going to finish my Italian tree (hopefully by the end of next weekend) and then I shall be back to concentrating on my Finnish, so they will get a lot of use.

Thanks again :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Great! I believe that many people will appreciate it if you make the flashcards. Glad to have you with us! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kivinelo

I can translate from Finnish to English, have done so professionally more than 10 yrs. If this is helpful, I am happy to help with this project. my Finnish is not native and I do not translate from English into Finnish. Get a Finn to produce exemplary Finnish.

I learned Finnish from a 10 wk beginners class at U of MN, then reading more lessons from 1st book of Finnish for Foreigners. Mostly you can learn from being surrounded by it and desperately needing or wanting the skill everyday. Many of our exchange students (teenagers in rural areas) who try hard can be quite conversational after 10 mo.s or so, as I was.

4 years ago

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I definitely encourage you to become a contributor on the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/ :D

2 years ago

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In the meantime, samulili has written a great Duolingo style course on Memrise. It's still in early development, but I have found it really useful and fun so far. Here's the link:

http://www.memrise.com/course/484516/suomi-monostyle-level-1/ :)

4 years ago

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Naturally, I really want to see Finnish on Duolingo; there is a group called just that on Facebook.

I'd like to encourage you all to join it so those who already speak it can begin working on the outlines and so on in advance... and those who don't speak it, like me, can keep updated. :D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KiviEemu

I'd gladly contribute to the Finnish course as a native speaker. I am also a photographer if additional reference photos are needed and I have studio equipment for recording audio. I really hope this course gets done as many of my friends are eager to learn Finnish and this would help them reach their goal. ^^P

2 years ago

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There is a Facebook group (if you use Facebook) of people who want to get Finnish on Duolingo. You are more than welcome to join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KiviEemu

I have a request pending to the group. ^^ Just found it earlier today.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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I just approved you Kivi! Welcome!! &If you'd like to be a course contributor... please look at the top post by AndyCheeseman #4 :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KiviEemu

Thanks. :) I read the post and followed the instructions/links.

2 years ago

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Any news on this? I feel the anger rise everytime I consider KLINGON is available before Finnish... Pretty sure there are more Finnish speakers and more Finnish-interested people out there than there are Trekkies. Anyway, isn't it time that language group (Finnic) is represented? There's no Estonian either. I'd like to learn Estonian, too.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BreatheIn
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Sadly, not yet. If you are on Facebook you are more than welcome to join. The group have been working on things on their own, though, as far as I know. The group have asked people from other languages how they managed to become successful.

We're hoping that something will happen sooner rather than later, but we are all optimistic about getting it on.

I think it's pretty much down to how many people you can get asking for it, and possibly how many Finnish organisations and groups will give us their verbal support. I have no idea how Klingon managed to do it though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Breatheln and Peganmegan, I always have in mind that "Klingon" belongs, in every way, to Paramount Studios, Hollywood ( ! ) This "fad" will last just as long as "Star Trek" movies are made!---[En Esperanto] Mi preferas diri, "Ni laboru kaj esperu." (Let us work and hope.)

2 years ago

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At least there is Hungarian from the same language family (Finno-Ugric). But hey, I have been waiting for Finnish, too.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Weldon12

I have a online friend in Finland, I say yes!

4 years ago

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Make sure to participate in the next language poll. The results of the last user poll show Finnish tied for 10th with Persian:

  1. Esperanto=1177
  2. Swedish=868 (added recently)
  3. Norwegian=773
  4. Latin=414
  5. Icelandic=319
  6. Danish=308 (added recently)
  7. Hebrew=170
  8. Bengali=109
  9. Ancient Greek=108
  10. Finnish=92
  11. Persian=92

Luis' comment in the latest AMA states they're adding around 1 language per week.

We look for a few things: The number of qualified candidates to build the course. The number of people who want to learn the language. How easy it will be to build the course with our current tools. I want to add all languages, but we're not there yet. I should also say that each language we add still requires quite a bit of effort from our team so we're only adding about one per week. In a few months I'm hoping we'll have a truly scalable system that allows us to add hundreds of languages at once.

Duolingo already added Danish last week and Swedish the week before last; We could see Finnish entering the incubator in as few as 8 weeks if the Duolingo team follows the user poll for adding languages. I can't wait for more languages in the incubator!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yay! Everybody vote for Finnish! :D Where and when can we enter the next poll?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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good question!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoulPig

I think more people need to read TL---'s post about ProjectFinnish and also read all of these inspiring and supportive posts that other amazing people have made! And if we all work together to move Finnish to the top, I'd think that that would make lots of people happy. Including TL---. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thank You SavyLegg! I will become very, very happy if we get accepted to the incubator :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SoulPig

You and me both! (Sinä ja minä molemmat!)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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Whoa!! What an awesome Poll ... where can one find it? There a growing push for Finnish - join the fight! https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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150 upvotes since yesterday! According to Ptoro's post, that's more than the number who voted for Finnish in the last poll.

C'mon Duolingo, I need someone to start working on the course now, so it is ready to study ASAP. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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How much Finnish do you know? Just wondering :) How much help would you personally get from a Finnish Duolingo course?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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Almost none really. I am only on Chapter 4 of my textbook. I struggle to keep going with study on my own, so discovering Duolingo has been like magic for me, I am now flying through my Italian - well, except for the current lesson (future perfect) which is killing me. :/

Having Finnish on Duolingo would be awesome for me. Just having the 'streak' element, and other people's comments to read if I am stuck, and experience points to aim towards every day, really works for me. Plus the repetition aspect.

Once I finish my Italian tree I am planning on spending much more time concentrating on Finnish. I can't wait. :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Good luck with the Italian! Hope we can get the Finnish course here soon :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yeah! :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sabaducia

I lived in Finland for some time and am slowly losing my skills. I keep up with immersion techniques but would love to see Finnish on Duolingo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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Same here. I would love to practice my skills. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sedubois
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FYI the Hungarian course (Uralic as well) started a year ago has interesting info in their first post: https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/hu/en/status

I just wrote to their contributor Abenhakan who replied they have "major issues" with their tree. His experience is that "the more distant the language is from English (German, Italian, French) with respect of grammar structure generally speaking, the difficulties exponentially increase."

There are probably very valuable insights to be gained from speaking more with the EN-HU team, and possibly from joining forces with them.

In this "Project Finnish!" thread, the following people said they applied to the incubator: TL---, maggiesoup, E-icegirl2, SadduSaddu, sannap, eino81, ndkoni, SuomenSusi, anavlot, eino81

Could contribute sporadically or only FI to EN: hdcanis, Patsyish, kivinelo

My advice to you, potential contributors, is to unite, talk to the EN-HU team to understand the precise difficulties they are facing, and state in new incubator "motivation letters" your willingness to learn from those difficulties and overcome them. (I can't personally contribute, I'm learning Finnish)

3 years ago

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Good idea to speak with them about the experiences. By the way, I am a native HU speaker who studied the FI language :)

3 years ago

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Then don't hesitate to apply to the incubator, explaining you have a big advantage :) especially if you are willing to cooperate with the EN-HU team to share ideas.

3 years ago

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I have already applied 200-something days ago... No reply yet...

3 years ago

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Good to know! Then the only thing I see to get things moving forward is to really better understanding these technical difficulties. As I'm a software engineer I'm curious myself about how the system works.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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From another Luis von Ahn's AMA session:

1 year ago

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I suppose that counts as good news, but given that a Duolingo "soon" has been known to take years, I have to wonder what a Duolingo "eventually" implies. Maybe they'll get it done for Finland's 200th birthday :).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Whatever that "eventually" means, I have long given up on hope that the course will actually help me learn anything. By the time it is done, I might use it to review what I already know and move on.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

widle, being patient, I was ecstatic! ... Then my heart dropped .... Now I am happy. (Because of this baaaad joke, I know it will happen!) We must "place this quote on Luis' doorstep every day!" We will be content when there ... is ... Suomi on Duolingo; this is all I know!

1 year ago

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I don't suppose bombarding them on twitter/Facebook would do any good?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

I don't think it would hurt the cause at least. Bombard them until they get sick of it and ban everyone who wants Finnish on Duolingo! :) Hehe

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Godhuntress, Please see my second comment to erikiva, below!! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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From Luis' most recent AMA:

Japanese had been by far our most-requested course in Duolingo’s five-year history. It became clear that it made sense to launch the course because demand for it was so high. Every time we would post anything on social media, several people would immediately comment with, “What about Japanese?

Since Luis hasn't given a straight-ish answer on Finnish like he has with Japanese and Chinese, I suppose a bit more pressure wouldn't hurt, as long as it's done by more than one person.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

scarcerer, please see my second comment to erikiva,below!! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

erikiva, Once I know just what to do, it will be part of my daily routine, for: Suomi on Duolingo!!! Oh, yes! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

erikiva, twitter: @ChuckSmith ; (he is on Facebook, but we would each have to be friended by him!) I am tweeting Chuck: Chuck, I am in total support of Suomi on Duolingo. ---Keneĉjo And I shall tweet something to Chuck tomorrow! Do we, the many, like this?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

erikiva, My comments, as inspired by you!, are now just above! Please consider my second comment (plan!) If you scroll up, you'll notice I've responded to two others of us. ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erikiva
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Great, I'll join in, maybe we can put it on the facebook group, to encourage people to leave messages to him and the duo account

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erikiva
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Sorry if this is a stupid question but, why him? It says he's just the Duolingo Esperanto course creator...what about @LuisvonAhn

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

erikiva, Yes! and Yes! Can you put it on the Facebook group page? :) :) :) your collaborator and encouraged friend Keneĉjo (kenéchyo) P.S. brilliant!!! @LuisvonAhn (daily!) He speaks English, Spanish, and above-mid-level (B2) Portuguese....Erikva, I salute you! My dream? 100 "friendly" tweets a day. I've emailed Inari. Please freely email me! : kenecxjo (at) gmail.com

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Just 10 days left till the 100th anniversary of Finland's independence and still nothing? This discussion is 3 years old, and folks still hoping? I don't understand it. Suppose, three years ago you were officially in a position to put the Finnish project in practice. Wouldn't you have already done something about it, rather than nothing? Wouldn't you have prioritized it over High Valyrian, at least? It seems there is simply no love for the North-Eastern shore of the Baltic Sea.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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"Chin down, and towards new disappointments" -- a modern Finnish saying, which is of course tongue in cheek but still recognizably Finnish.

It was used this morning on BBC Radio 4's Start the Week which was all about Finland, and I think it will describe the feeling in this thread on 7 December.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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I like the saying. How do you say it in Finnish?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Leuka rintaan ja kohti uusia pettymyksiä! :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Kiitos!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gluehbirneee
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I'm wondering, too.

1 year ago

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Today I listened to the "BBC Radio 4 - Start the Week, Finland at 100". They said "Chins on chest..." I'm curious if it was changed by the radio talker, or it's just another version of the same saying. (They spoke of Tove Jansson but didn't mention Finnish architecture and architects at all.)

1 year ago

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That was the program, indeed. It was the first time I'd heard this saying translated into English, and I think it was the British guy who had spent some time (but not actually lived in) Finland who used it. I assumed the people on the icebreaker had used it in English when talking with him and he'd picked it up from them. I guess it's just a different translation, but I prefer mine ;-) (and didn't even remember exactly how it had been translated in the program, just that I didn't like that translation).

There were some factual inaccuracies in that program (that Denmark has the largest population of the Nordics, the bit about Finland being the first country to give women the vote -- which was then corrected at the end, but the bit that is true is that Finland was the first country to grant women full suffrage), as well as some pretty horrible mangling of names... I have sometimes been amazed by the width of knowledge displayed by people on these programs, but let's just say I know recognize that some of that is just confidence and a passing familiarity, rather than actual knowledge. :-)

Nevertheless, it was an interesting program.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Andrius, On May 18th we received a "Yes" from the CEO of Duolingo. We want to know "When!" We campaigned, using twitter as a voting mechanism. Then, when there were two official holidays remaining on the calendar, All Saints (November 4th) and, as you declared, Suomi 100! ........... We began the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS, again tweeting daily. ............. About a week ago the Finnish flag appeared, draped around the DL owl❗️[If you click on "Remove ads" (something new), you'll see it!] We turned our attention directly toward the CEO (ex.@LuisVonAhn, I think our owl wants to teach #finnishonduolingo!) ***Andrius, Would you like to join our open group? : ..................................... https://www.facebook.com/groups/fiinnishonduolingo/563673843817946/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Thank You. I applied for this closed group on Facebook but I haven't been confirmed yet. As for Twitter, I'm not a user. I'll learn Finnish anyway but I'd very much like to see it on Duolingo.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Andrius, Thank you! Our Facebook group is open. So, you are a member! : https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ ***Please seeAzureflowers' note, now just below.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Azureflowers
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The group is not, in fact, open. Technically anyone can join but you just need to be manually accepted (we already get requests from all kinds of spam accounts as is, it would be a nightmare to moderate if it was all completely free game). I am one of the admins but lately I've been insanely busy so I haven't had time to go and check member requests regularly. I'll try to do that ASAP, sorry about the delay Andrius!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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It's Okay :) I'm in, thank you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Azureflowers, Thank you for both saving and informing me !

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/madwort

Been watching from the sidelines for quite a while… and finally threw in my application to be a course contributor. Also stalking you on fb. Let’s make it happen, shall we? :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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I dreamed today that Duolingo had added a bunch of languages at once - no incubator, they were suddenly ready. And Finnish was one of them. I was somewhere with my family/friends and they wanted me to join them, but I said I couldn't, I had to check this out.

The interface actually showed three languages: apart from English and Finnish there was also Hungarian. I didn't know why and I wouldn't mind that much, but the application always read the sentence in all three languages in turn, which made it quite confusing. I decided I didn't need Hungarian after all and went to uncheck it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DonAlonzo
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This was so beautiful I had a tear of joy coming down my face.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erikiva
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I missed the dream part and went straight to look for it :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Sorry for the false hope.

2 years ago

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...And then you woke to the nightmare which is the reality that Duolingo actually has no Finnish course :P

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AleksiKorpela

Hey! My brother and I are both bilingual English and Finnish speakers raised in Finland and Canada. We both have extensive translation and simultaneous interpreting experience. Hit us up if this takes off! We'd be happy to contribute.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Thanks for offering your help! Have you applied already? The most qualified applicants are likely to be selected as team leaders when the course is added to the incubator.

You can apply here: https://incubator.duolingo.com/apply

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AleksiKorpela

Yes, my brother and I have both applied to doing the course. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Thank you both! And let's hope they start it soon.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/platyfrog
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I too keep looking for Finnish. I don't understand what the hold-up is, given the number both of willing learners and course contributors. Duolingo, hear our cry!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

playfrog, We have been heard by the founder of Duolingo during a recent AMA, during which we received a "Yes." Of course we began thinking, "When?" So we are tweeting to @LuisVonAhn [anything positive, for example: I love #finnishonduolingo!] ... and we can tweet as often as we like! Thus we encourage ... and give a "show of hands!"

1 year ago

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Haven't volunteered in the incubator so far because long-term planning is always a bit of a problem, I didn't want to commit myself to anything that might or might not happen some month or year...

But if it gets into the incubator at some point and I have a bit of extra time in my hands, I could throw some work there (and hang around commenting as a native once it goes public).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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It's okay! You can send the application to Duolingo, and if (once) it gets accepted you can try it out. If you don't like it, you can always leave :) But thank you for the support!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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annika_a and sannap are two of the people who also applied to the Finnish for English speakers course. Hope they notice this discussion :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannap
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Heh, it was a pure coincidence that I happened to look at the Duolingo Discussion today and see this topic. Or maybe it was destiny, who knows :)

4 years ago

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Can't you post them a link on their 'activity stream'?

And can you change your photo to yourself or an avatar soon please? I keep wondering who the faceless person is on my list. ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Yeah, I actually posted a message on Annika's "activity stream". Maybe soon, once I find a nice picture of something, I will probably change it :D

4 years ago

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I did now :-) Thanks for notifying me!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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You're welcome :)

4 years ago

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I really want to learn Finnish! It is a beautiful language and I have quite a few friends I could practice on! Please hurry!

You have no idea how hard it is to learn it on memrise!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Just out of curiosity: Have you tried many of the courses on Memrise? My spouse tried one of the "3000 words" ones, but I think his motivation is failing him... Is there maybe a better one available on there, in your opinion?

4 years ago

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That is the one I tried too, I haven;t tried any others, and I have lots of motiviation to learn it, but memrise kills motivation, I havent practiced in ages :(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Ah, too bad... :-( Thanks for replying.

I love Memrise for French verb conjugations, it's just the thing for having 3 minutes spare and just wanting to drill in a few easily defined nuggets of information. But it is true that it is less apt at trying to teach you for example vocabulary, as there is only one correct answer (as opposed to in Duolingo), which drives at least me crazy... As with Duolingo, the Android app lets you off much more easily than the computer version, so I tend to practice on the app first ...

4 years ago

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totally agree with you. Also it seems like just a poorly made site...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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If we get accepted, we will try to make it carefully and as good as possible, but still with a good pace :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Persikov

Please make this happen!! Finnish is such an interesting language and the Finnish people whom I've met have all been fabulous!! I'd love to learn jsut a bit as a party trick. Can't imagine it would be popular more than that - Finns' level of English (and Swedish, and German, and Spanish, and Italian...) is very impressive.

4 years ago

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Please, please add Finnish!! I asked long ago already for Russian, Swedish and Finnish. Now Russian is expected to be released in beta in Mar 2015, Swedish, that was kicked off much later, is expected already in August 2014, even though it has only half as many contributors than Russian (I wonder - does it mean that Swedish is so much easier? :o). Now I keep my fingers crossed for Finnish. I don't mind whether is it English for Finnish speakers or Finnish for English speakers, any Finnish course would do. Please, please add Finnish!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sukerkin

I too would like to add my voice to the chorus for "Finnish please!" :d. I am taking the casually immersive route of learning by translating song lyrics as best I can by such bands as Indica or Haloo Helsinki :). A facility of more formalised tutelage via Duolingo would be wonderful.

4 years ago

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I think I might be good in proofreading and error spotting. I do not have much time to spend for contributing for the Finnish course, though.

Auttelisinkohan?!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thors_Daughter

I am currently learning Finnish by myself and having a duolingo course would be more than amazing! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sukerkin

Ehdottomasti! I am presently using one of the courses over on Memrise, Thors_Daughter. It's quite useful in terms of increasing my memorised vocabulary tho' I am in need of some direction when it comes to grammar :o.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thors_Daughter

I am also using Memrise for vocabulary and it's very, very useful indeed. ;) As for grammar, I bought some book and I'm currently trying to get the hang of it.

4 years ago

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I also use Memrise brushing up my Finnish but would prefer Duolingo. Is there any info when they may start developing a Finnish course? I don't mind much if it would be English for Finnish speakers. Currently I am studying English for Russian speakers to brush up my Russian, ant it is very effective!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sedubois
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Same here, I just moved to Helsinki, I'm learning Finnish and a Duolingo course is really lacking! For now besides bi-weekly classes based on Suomen Mestari, I mostly use Memrise and sometimes Bliubliu (much less as it has no smartphone app).

4 years ago

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I also sent my application today. Even I am not a native speaker, I use Finnish in my everyday work. I hope, we can build a Finnish course for the learners. Muuten, olen kotoisin Unkarista...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkenyavic

Please do this! I may be moving to Helsinki and will need the help!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hatugai

Finnish is an amazing language! Maybe I think so because I've never experienced a language so unusual and challenging. At the moment, I'm studying in Tampere, Finland, and I was just searching for Suomi in Duolingo when I came across this topic. Please, add Suomi!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IvanDegtya

Plus one for Finnish course. Would be warmly welcome. I am working at the university (Aalto), were recently talking at the language course right about duolingo. Many were saying that having a Finnish course would be of great help.

Finnish course for english speakers (or those fluent in english) and for those speaking russian. There are lots of russian speaking in Finland, plus taking into account tourists due to the border with Russia and Estonia.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Do you think it would be possible to get the university to cooperate with Duolingo somehow, make it a bit more official than just a bunch of volunteers? I think it could help in persuading Duolingo to add the course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IvanDegtya

Is there anything one can do to help with moving on? I only see the standard application form, but as far as I got it, there are many people who applied already as contributors. Is there any particular known reason why finnish course has no go?

2 years ago

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Nope, nothing definite. There was a (possibly off-hand) comment from a staff member (I don't know which one) years ago about Duolingo not seeing enough interest for a Finnish course, but that may or may not mean anything or be relevant anymore.

The earlier technical challenges with building a Finnish course (developing the Incubator so that it can handle agglutinative languages) should have been resolved during the building of the Turkish and Hungarian courses.

So no one knows, really. Many people have indeed applied already.

2 years ago

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Wholeheartedly agreeing with widle here!

I (unfortunately) don't have any affiliation with Duolingo, but would gladly come and tell the powers that be at Aalto University how learning on Duolingo works based on my 3+ years of experience using it, if that could be of any help in getting some kind of serious cooperation proposal made.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaynedansfield

Finnish is my mother tongue and I graduated with English as my major. I would be interested in contributing to this course! Just let me know if I can help :)

2 years ago

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Probably the best way is to offer here : https://incubator.duolingo.com/ If they have enough contributors maybe they'll consider it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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2000! Should we celebrate somehow or do we just continue waiting for the staff to take notice?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Cool! I noticed it was 1999 earlier today.

I can't think of any good way of telling the staff, though. If they want to know, they know about the popularity of this post already. If they don't, we can't really make them.

1 year ago

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Are you referring to the lingots given? Do they pay attention to that?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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No, upvotes. This discussion used to have lots more upvotes than it does now, it lost them for some reason overnight.

The staff probably don't pay attention to anything anymore, but if they were interested, they could look at the upvotes.

6 months ago

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Oh okay. Thanks for the explanation!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

widle, I am upvoting you and all of us ! I am searching my brain for a new strategy : I feel like simply sending the the flag of Suomi to @duolingo ... daily. I think I'll start today !

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelaBradley

Crossing my fingers they they add Finnish soon!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Angela, me too!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Angela, Would you like to join our ten-day campaign, leading up to Finland's Centennial of Independence, December 6th? .................. We are tweeting to: @duolingo (ex. I am crossing my fingers for #finnishonduolingo!)

1 year ago

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All the upvotes are gone.

That moaning you hear is me.

This is just horrifying...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Yeah, what the heck is that about...?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Just a few days ago you mentioned Finns steering themselves bravely towards new disappointments. I think it's a practical psychological approach: you won't be whining and weeping so much if something turns bad, however good occurrences should surprise you and make you much happier.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Andrius, Whoever said this is not well. We have a "Yes ... eventually. I don't think DL knows just when exactly yet; its a profit-making company, now with advertisements.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Annika, I have always highly valued whatever you have to say. I shall be going through the forum, and making any positive comment green, just as previously.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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It's around a quarter past 8 pm GMT, and I confirm that the page shows now only 7 upvotes ("likes") for the initial top statement (posted by TL--- three years ago), although it still indicates the value of 2151 lingots. Are all the old upvotes deleted?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Woof., I shall be going through them, making any positive comment green, as previously.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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I'm so amazed over that more than 140 people so far have up voted this thread! A big thank you to all of you out there :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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Voted! But where is Finnish now? Which phase?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Nowhere, unfortunately. It only exists in our dreams. And as the butt of Luis' jokes on Reddit (he replied to a particularly well-argued question about how courses are picked, using Finnish as an example, with "I ask my mom. She's a nice lady, but doesn't like Finnish."). Classy.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

annika, Luis is from Guatemala, and by now has, likely, a joking, or kidding, sense of humor. By joking around --twice!!, in particular, about Finnish, he is singling it out ( ! )

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Nah, I wouldn't say he's singling it out as much as being forced to say something on account of taking part in an Ask Me Anything.

But I admire your optimism. :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Annika, I have always admired your optimism :-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

PERCE_NEIGE, We have firmly planted suomi in the mind of the genius professor, and business person, who is constantly figuring things out ( ! )

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/midnightstar0

I would love to learn Finnish. I got some finish blood but only can very few words.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stardustnight

I was an exchange student in Finland last year - wonderful language but very hard grammar. ;D It would be great to learn more Finnish instead of forgetting my language skills slowly because I hardly have to use them anymore (but I'm still watching some childrens movies in Finnish) ^^

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maggiesoup

This thread is probably pretty dead by now, but I submitted my application to help! I do not know if it will be accepted, but hopefully they see that many people want this course to happen.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Great, let's keep our fingers crossed :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/feanarosurion
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I would love to help. I've been learning Finnish for 6 or 7 years now, and I'm sure I could contribute. I'd love to see this happen! I applied only a couple of days after joining Duolingo actually.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/springenkasteel

Yay! I also want to take Finnish. I started with textbooks and making myself flashcards, but really welcome another more fun method! Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kankkarankka

I just got involved with this website, but I would REALLY love to see a Finnish course here. It's the most beautiful language I've encountered in all my travels around Europe, and since I go there every winter time it would be great to get a handle on the language... it's so tricky!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flechtwerk

Please do it!! You'll earn my life-long admiration. I've been waiting for a Finnish course like this for a long time.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Immortalist

Oh boy, this is what I was trying to encourage Finnish folks to start. I would love to learn Finnish, have have visited Finland once and would love to go back. Love the forests there :) Hope you folks get the project..

How to Swear in Finnish (By children) My co-worker found this most amusing) http://youtu.be/hmjwgB4Gsjc

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/snowangel1992

I am Finnish fan too. I am studying Finnish myself but I wish I can do it by Duolingo, because it is a difficult language and do not find many material for studying it on internet. Please please. I love Finnish! <3

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DoloczkiLilla

Please, do start a Finnish course. I would very much like to study Finnish (I already am studying it, in fact, and I was extremely disappointed when I learnt that Duolingo has no Finnish course to offer)!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eino81
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Ha rajtam áll, lesz :) De nem tudom, elfogadják-e a jelentkezésem. Mindenesetre jó pár év finn tanulás és aktív használat után, és jó pár duolingo kurzus után szívesen megcsinálnám, vagy besegítenék a csapatnak.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bavariaball

I am new to Duolingo and a huge Finland-Fan, so to speak. How can I help making this a real thing?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PERCE_NEIGE
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Applying to contribute if you can talk Finnish well.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

I have been attempting this for over a year! I have sent in 2 applications already

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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Asiaa!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

Olet suomalainen ? Luuletko , että minun pitäisi lähettää toiseen ja olet lähettänyt yksi ?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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Mielestäni yksi hakemus pitäisi riittää, toista ei tarvinne - yhden olen itsekin lähettänyt. Olet ilmeisesti sinäkin suomalainen? Onko sulla espanja opiskelu kuinka tapetilla?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

Kyllä minä olen suomalainen ja kyllä olen opetella puhumaan espanjaa. Pidän siitä, koska tiedän, että jotkut espanjalaiset. Entä sinä?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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Onko suomi siis äidinkielesi?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

Kyllä. Oletan, että Suomi on sinun äidinkieli ?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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Oletat?! Siis, yritän kysyä, että mikä on äidinkielesi? Suomi, englanti, espanja vaiko joku muu?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E-icegirl2

Asun Suomessa ja minä kasvoin täällä niin joo . Se on niin kiva tavatamukava ihminen täällä . Jotkut ihmiset ovat antaneet minulle paskaa . :(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Immortalist

Hello TL--- Could you give us an update on the Project Finnish? Has it been accepted, has the Project got off the ground? Thanks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Nope, I have heard nothing from Duolingo. They will most likely add Norwegian next. They will probably add Finnish when they have the TTS and other stuff ready. But they have been releasing new languages fairly often, so maybe this year, maybe next year. No one really knows when a new language is being released. But I will keep my fingers crossed ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katja...S
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Still wanting to learn Finnish? Go and give your vote: http://vote.pollcode.com/69516673.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Franklyundead

My GF is from Finland and this would be something I want to learn :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simenon
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I would love to learn Finnish with Duolingo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JessicaHjertum

Finnish is definitely something I'd love to learn on duolingo! Such a magnificently beautiful language (and it would complete the Nordic set of languages once Norway is ready too!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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We'd still need Icelandic for that, too. And then there are the non-national Nordic languages like Sami and Faroese...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/p8c
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is it possible that someone with a connection to a finnish university might encourage a faculty member to encourage graduate students to take on this project as part of study in english?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Izabela_K
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I would love a Finnish course. My ancestors came from Finland and I'm fascinated with the idea of learning it some day.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveRussell
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I would be very interested to learn Finnish via Duolingo, I have tried with other methods but as I find Finnish is (for English native speakers) quite a complex and broad language that Duolingo would be a great way to get a foothold in it! So here's hoping your application gets accepted, Kiitos paljon!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EndMyOpus
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Old thread or not, I'd be very interested in contributing to the Finnish courses. I've only applied for the English for Finns course since I didn't think that Finnish for English speakers would have a prayer, but after browsing the forums and seeing that quite a few people are actually looking to learn my slightly psychotic native language I'm sending my application for that as well.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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You don't need to, the application should work for both directions.

And thanks for applying!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/harthacanute

It's been a year, so hopefully Duolingo's making progress in Finnish!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Well, to be precise, Duolingo itself is not and will not be making any progress. They just have to decide that it's time to start, and select the team leaders. The real work and progress will be up to the volunteers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sbamueller2

but still they should start it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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I think we can all agree on that. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Deussu
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I'm Finnish (native, too) and I've already applied to be a contributor to the Finnish project once it emerges.

I can give it a try and teach Finnish to someone over the internet if a volunteer appears. Just message me or so.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Isoxns

Go Suomi !!!

But don't forget one thing....Sisu. They don't give up and so will fans of that language do too :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lestry
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I live in Sweden and since Finnish is a huge language here (statistically, not in reality since I live in Gothenburg - not so many Finnish speakers here) so I feel like I have to learn it. I have been studying it on and off for some time, and I find it pretty interesting. I hope that Duolingo notices the thread and decides to include Finnish in the Incubator. That would definitely be a great day :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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Project Finnish is the 7th most popular discussion in DuoLingo Forum! Let us make it happen! :) Follow, upvote and share! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bram448101

I would love to see Tom of Finland art logos. As symbol for this course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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And this discussion is now number 4 among the most upvoted discussions in the Duolingo topic ever.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/frenchlearner53

Maybe Duo will finally listen to us now....

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/paganmegan
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Please, please make this happen! Finnish was the first language I looked for on duolingo, so disappointed that it wasn't here!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

Okay, so... There are MANY people wanting to contribute to this course, probably just as capable as the other course contributors. Norwegian, for instance, has approximately the same amount of native speakers and there's a course for that. It's obviously a lot easier to teach and learn, but still. There's bloody Klingon, but Finnish doesn't get accepted? I mean, I know I'm a little aggressive in nature, but... Why do the people at Duolingo hate Finnish so much?! I bet there will be courses for fluent Dothraki and Morse code before Finnish.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/paganmegan
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I feel the same! An imaginary language made into a course before an entire language group finally gets representation... this is just not acceptable.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AshKerins

Tarvitsen suomi Duolingossa. I would use this site so much more if it had Finnish!

2 years ago

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:D Anyway, if you use the verb "tarvita", the thing you will "need" will be in Accusative case (-n), e.g:

  • tarvitsen suomen kielen Duolingossa - I need the Finnish language on Duolingo
  • tarvitsen maidon - I need milk
  • tarvitsen kirjan - I need a book

Or, at least, that was taught to me :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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I don't think there is a single "accusative verb" (as opposed to partitive verbs which always take partitive) though I'm not going to go through every verb to make sure. So I would say the highly simplified accusative = the, partitive = a rule still applies.

2 years ago

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I think that objectively Finnish should be the next language to be admitted to the incubator, unless there are any major non-European languages that are ready to be developed. I really miss a Finnish course on Duolingo, it's on the top of my list together with Croatian or Serbian. So you have my full support! Unfortunately the only way in which I can support you is to promise that I will be among the first students ;) Good luck to your initiative!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weirdlearner

Finnish language is just wonderful, I would love to learn it! There is some magic in all Scandinavian languages, they sound like a spell even when a peson just greets you a good day =) I've started Swedish course here, but Finnish is my true love. What is the news? Is this course going to happen soon?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

I doubt it will happen anytime soon, Duolingo seem to be rather focused on other things at the moment, like the flashcard thingy and such.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/henryis
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For those of us who would like to go to Finland with more than "kiitos", "en puhu suomea" and a few veriations on "no niin" I hope you can find enough people to put a course together. It is their 100th anniversary year, any chance of a beta version for the 6th December? ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erik_Pedersen

Regrettably, Henryis, this discussion has continued for two years without even an indication from Duolingo itself that they are willing to devote the required resources to the development of a Finnish course, notwithstanding that it will certainly be a very popular one. Judging by the experience of the Duolingo course for Esperanto — which is far more regular than any natural language and, hence, much simpler to write a course for — you should expect that a course, if it were started today, would not be ready for beta testing until 18 months from now, and not be an official working release for another year after that.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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Several courses have gone to beta in less than 10 months, the record being less than 3. That was Danish so you can argue that it's easier and faster to make a course for a grammatically similar language. Team Japanese have claimed they are able to finish in 2-3 months because they prepared all the words and some sentences beforehand (and because they only have 587 words). I understand there is something similar going on with Finnish so if the Japanese are onto something and the Finns truly are as well prepared, an Independence Day launch is not completely impossible even with a longer tree.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/henryis
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The Finnish Govenment have been trying to get the Finnish people to give up some free time towork on many community projects this year under the theme of "Togetherness" to celebrate the 100th anniversary. Perhaps if Duolingo dropped a couple of ads on Finnish internet sites to create something lasting that will bring people together. It would be a good advertising point for Duolingo.

2 years ago

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There is no lack of volunteering Finns, both those part of a group who have already started planning things using Google Docs and others...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/henryis
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Splendid, come on you Finns.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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More like C'mon Duolingo Inc. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/henryis
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Hope springs eternal.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FavetFortibus

Why hasn't there been any progress in adding Finnish? The interest is clearly there.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HarriSuhon

I have also sent my contribution application to Duolingo, and would like to contribute in the project if it's set up at some point. I was actually quite surprised not to find Finnish in any of the incubation phases even.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A.Igor
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I used to learn Finnish. It's very beatifull language. Unfortunatelly I haven't been in Finnland for about ten years and almost forgot everything. I hope this project will start soon!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SilKit

I would be so happy to study Finnish here on Duolingo. One of my parents is from Finland but we never spoke it at home. Indeed, my longets conversation with my grandfather was "Do you speak english?", "No". It would be appreciated to be able to reconnect a bit with my Finnish heritage.

Currently studying Finnish on Memrise and I can also recommend the podcast below for just listening to slow and clearly spoken finnish. Having listened to quite a bit of finnish as a child I can hear when words begin and end. The sound of finnish feels like home, I just don't understand a single word of it.

Keeping fingers crossed that there will be a Duolingo-course sometime in the not to distant future.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/selkouutiset/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCrazyFinn

That's awesome! Yeah I have distant family in Helsinki, and I always thought it'd be cool to at least know the basics of the language... plus it is a fun challenge I suppose, with it considered one of the hardest languages to learn and all

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

SilKit, We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! : https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andycheeseman

Finnish on Duolingo FB Group (~2k members) https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/

List of Willing Contributors (~70 contributors) http://bit.ly/FinnishOnDuolingoQuestionnaireResults

(Correct as of Nov 2017)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCrazyFinn

All the upvotes are gone? Hmmmm a sign of the apocalypse or a sign of Finnish being approved? Perhaps the duolingo team is in the process of adding Finnish? O_o finnish conspiracy theories on duolingo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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How popular Finnish could be, were it offered on Duolingo? No one knows it for sure, however I'd like to suggest it could be roughly approximated in comparative terms by looking at the statistics of any other global online teaching service that covers a variety of languages that includes Finnish. So I took a look at the numbers of YouTube subscribers to the different language channels offered by Innovative Language, and then I compared the number of their Finnish channel subscribers to those subscribed on their other channels of the languages offered also or just being “hatched” by Duolingo. And here's something positive this “indicator” has shown among these languages: Finnish beats in popularity Hungarian, Norwegian, Danish, Czech, Romanian, Swahili, Vietnamese, and Indonesian.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Autrelle
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Wow, you are awesome! I love your little research.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Not at all. I envy your level number of Swedish. P:S. It's Christmas week - get 5 lingots :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kayla45314

holy crap! This was posted 4 years ago?! I'm still hoping for Finnish to be put up...

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Kayla, I'm wondering if you have joined our group ... ( ? ) https://www.facebook.com/finnishonduolingo

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ndkoni
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Hello TL---, how are things going? Has Duolingo answered to you? I sent my application today, hopefully someone answers.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Nope, no one has answered yet. But when they decide to start it, they will send an answer to all who have applied for the course :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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I think they actually only send an email to those they have chosen (so probably two moderators) first, and then another one to those that certainly won't be chosen. If you are good, but maybe not quite good enough to be picked as a moderator or contributor just yet, you'll still be in limbo as they won't want to turn you down either.

There was even someone the other day (who had applied for an already existing course, I think), who had gotten the "not thanks" email first, and then only a little later the "yes please" email...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/noora235
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Kävin laittamassa hakemuksen http://incubator.duolingo.com/apply. Katsotaan, jos siitä olisi apua.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GabrielDayot
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I saw a joke about the conjugations in Finnish here in Duolingo and also there are Finnish songs I really love and I would really love to learn the language! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrojas1496
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Finnish would be such an amazing language to be added to Duolingo and so deserving! The language is incredibly unique (and grammatically crazy!), but just the fact that it is in its own language family with only Estonian and Hungarian made me want to study it. Plus, Finns are some of the kindest people I have ever met!

For people that would want to know: THERE IS A FINNISH IMMERSION CAMP in Minnesota called Salolampi. It's located in the Northwoods of Minnesota and is an immersion camp for ages 7-18, as well as having programming for adult immersion. It is a program of Concordia Language Villages (which has been around for over 50 years and is internationally recognized).

CLV offers programs in 15 languages: German, French, Spanish, Norwegian, Russian, Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, English, Italian, Arabic, and Portuguese (in the order the camps were created) **all of the languages currently offered on Duolingo except for Dutch, Irish, Turkish, and Esperanto)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/balticmetalgirl

There are actually more languages in the same family as Finnish. The Sami languages along with many of the languages of the indigenous Russian tribes are all Uralic. However, few Uralic languages are widely spoken. It's certainly not a common family.

2 years ago

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A few Uralic languages are spoken widely, so after Hungarian, I hope we will see the Finnish and Estonian on Duolingo. I myself would be happy to see here also Saami or Udmurt, but if they would be here on Duolngo, that would mean that other 100-200 languages are also put there. I studied Saami and Udmurt and I visited their lands in 2003 and 2005.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/balticmetalgirl

Really? Wow, that's really cool!! And yeah, there are a lot of Sami languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrojas1496
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Finnish actually isn't a Uralic language, it is in its own branch of languages called Finno-Ugric (Finnish and Hungarian).

2 years ago

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Actually it is indeed an Uralic language. It has two main branches: Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic. Thst is true, that Finnish belongs to the FU branch.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/herdis8

Great idea, Finnish is something i have wanted to learn since college, but here in Iceland there aren´t any Finn lessons

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dragging_moose

It's lovely to see how many people here are interested in Finnish! I'm going to apply as a course contributor soon, too ;) (even though I'm sure that the course's slow progress isn't depending on the lack of contributors: many seem to be interested in this!)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KazzStrack

Hei! Any update on this? I have been teaching myself Finnish on and off for a few years now, but I have struggled because I have had nobody to practice with! It would be incredible to get a Suomi Dual Lingo :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Still no news. :( I'm learning by myself too, through Memrise and other resources.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KazzStrack

Ooh, I've never heard of Memrise.. i'll check it out! :) thanks!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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You're welcome. Try the "Suomi Monostyle" course there.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KazzStrack

Ahh, that's brilliant! :) I've been trying to teach myself with the Suomi Mestari textbooks, but they can be quite hard to follow out of class. I used to go to a Suomikoulu on Saturdays, but then moved away and couldn't find another nearby!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vintersdrom

There's a whole group on Facebook full of people wanting to learn the Finnish language in Duolingo, and they all want to do their best to help this course come to life! Anyone reading this, feel free to join, just look up "Finnish on Duolingo!" :P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/emuliae
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Yeah, let's make this happen! I submitted a request to become a course contributor in October. I'm more than ready to finally start helping make the course.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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Woot!!! :D (this is Inari Kuohujoki from the group :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ummarika
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I am really excited to be an incubator, because I truely love my mother language (Finnish) and I have a boyfriend outside of Finland. It would be really nice for him and for all the other people who are brave enough to start learning Finnish, if Duolingo would start the project Finnish for English speakers!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NancyMihalich
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Finnish would be a great language to add to the Duolingo courses!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HeitorP.B.

I hope to see this course soon! Any comments from Duolingo staff about this?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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Join, upvote and share! :) I was wondering this morning OPISKELISINKOHAN? ;) Please support our aim to bring Finnish language to Duolingo by upvoting this discussion. Invite and share the discussion with your friends too: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3377185 Szeretem a magyart. I love English. Ich liebe Deutsch. Amo italiano. <3 I could learn Klingon as well but not Finnish? Why? Campaign for Finnish on Duolingo! Kampanja opiskella suomeakin! ...and join the facebook group for further plans https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thinh9121998
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Really interested in learning Finnish on Duolingo. I expect to go to Finland this August for my studies and proficiency in Finnish should help me a lot in finding a part-time job.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/taavi6
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I recently applied o/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ben251667
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Finnish! Fantastic! I have wanted to learn finnish for a while but can't find any good resources. Also, is there a major difference between colloquial and "strict" finnish? Ive heard that they are mutually intelligible, but have trouble understanding each other. Is that really the case? Also, has anyone here heard of the webcomic Stand Still, Stay Silent? It's created by a Finnish woman Minna Sundberg (who is also a language lover). The comic itself is in english, but the story is a weird mix of post-apocalyptic and norse/finnish mythology. Its really incredible! There are a few magic incantations in Finnish, and a bit of swedish thrown in.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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I have been studying Finnish for a while and worked and studied in Finland for a couple of months in Helsinki and in Rovaniemi and I can say I could make myself easily understood and I could understand most of the things. OK people probably tried to speak to me nicely as to a foreigner but it wasn't so bad. There are parts of Finland where the dialects are more difficult but I guess you would get used to it if you lived there. Thanks for the SSSS tip, I have never heard of it, I will check it out! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ben251667
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Thanks, I've been searching for an answer for waaayyy too long and putting off actually learning, agh. SSSS Is pretty fantastic, and really motivates me to keep learning both Finnish and Norwegian.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlQuzMar
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I've signed up as a volunteer long time ago. Maybe twice by accident. Sit and wait, mkay.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/UNHCR_RRNE

Hi Everyone!

You may have seen that UNHCR Northern Europe is starting a Flashcard project in conjunction with Duolingo. We need Finnish speakers to help us translate basic words. You can read more about the project here.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/14106986$comment_id=14241141

If you have any comments, please response in the thread I linked. That way this thread can focus on the Finnish language and not get distracted by the project!

Looking forward to working with you,

David (UNHCR Northern Europe).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ReinDavid

It would be awesome if Duolingo would offer Finnish. As one of the most difficult languages in the world, especially for people who have a Germanic rooted language as their native tongue, I notice free online education for it is nowhere near sufficient.

Since I am only studying Finnish for about 1 year with the tools that are available to me I am still a novice, but it is clear that the language has a very strong grammatical foundation. A foundation which you cannot learn on e.g. Memrise or other services which focus on vocabulary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Natalv1997
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I was in Finland last year but unfortunately I couldn't know the culture more deeply since I was there only for two days and a half, and I think learning the language will help me to know better their interesting culture by the next time I go there. I have used other apps to learn Finnish before, and also other languages, but none of them are as effective as Duolingo, and if they are, they are too expensive. It would be nice if you let people like me have better access to it ^_^

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/balticmetalgirl

Then I say upvote this post. The more upvotes it gets, the more Duolingo staff will realize that there's a demand for this language. I mean, it already has a thousand but another one couldn't hurt!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Natalia, I hope that any support I give Inari will lead to this well deserved victory!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Giokate

I am relatively new here, and this is my first comment. I am very interested in learning Finnish! I am of Finnish descent and want to visit Finland someday. I am very frustrated with myself that I didn't try to learn Finnish while my grandparents were still alive, as not only would they have been an amazing resource for learning, but it would have allowed me to get to know them better. Finnish is my dad's first language too, but he had to learn English when he started school here in Canada and he has forgotten Finnish except for a few words. I would be very happy if I could learn Finnish on Duolingo!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Hopefully, one day you will! :-)

Meanwhile, have a look at these lessons that fellow Duolingo user Zzzzz... is posting in the discussion forum: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10579104.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BlueAmaranth

This looks really useful! Thank you!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bluebell

Finnish is the main language I want to learn!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Szybkiwi
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I can't wait until Finnish is added (I hope it is at least)! But also I think Duolingo should add a patch that on discussions like this, it would not load the entire page but load it when you scroll down. On my super computer it took like 3 years to load the page and its like 2 lightyears long! XD

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Brianna25670

I'd love for there to be a Finnish course on Duolingo! My family is Finnish, but I never learned growing up, so it'd be really cool to be able to speak with them!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/musicknight

I wish to learn Finish to, it's such a beautiful sounding language! If it gets added before I'm done with my German tree I might just decide to put Swedish on the back burner, which is something that I won't do for any other language because I am determined to learn it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ColeWhitel1
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I would really love to see the course become a reality - I listen to quite a bit of Finnish metal (started with Nightwish, quickly found others), so that is definitely something I'd want to learn!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

I would definitely be willing to help with the Finnish course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/steven.kivinen

I would love to learn Finnish. My ancestors are from Finland, though my father never spoke it. I have an ancestor's diary from the early 1900's entirely in Finnish. It would be nice to be able to read it some day.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ckryche77

I would love to learn Finnish! I want to move there.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FringieJester

There are some pretty dedicated people here. I've been scrolling through this thread and I've noticed how many languages that you guys have put your time into, and those who have been here and willing to contribute to the Finnish course for at least two years now. That's really some dedication and I think that it's admirable... I just hope that Duolingo sees that soon enough. I mean I get the complications, but other languages have had those too, and if they can get past them then the Finnish course could too in time.

2 years ago

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Finnish is a fascinating language. I'd love to see it on Duolingo someday!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sonicman1011

I would love to learn Finnish!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ava_XD

GREAT IDEA!! both sides of my fam are relatively finnish! my grandpa on one side and my grandma on the other are the last in line to speak finnish, :( Got to continue the generation, close up the gap!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RenataNino

I'd love to learn Finnish!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fergiedude2000

I would love to learn some Finnish! One of my best friends is from Finland and her kids are learning Finnish. Would be fun to learn with them and even read some books to them in Finnish. I'm sure she would be happy to contribute to the language on DuoLinguo! (While I watch the kids of course.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeePassmore

I'm sorry, but there's the option to learn Klingon and not a 'real' language...Finnish. I think Duolingo needs to sort out it's priorities because this is plain wrong.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fergiedude2000

Thaaaaaaank you...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Lee, I have noticed that Klingon remains ( ! ) at about 33% hatching; I always keep in mind that Paramount Movie Studios owns it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ColeWhitel1
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It's also worth noting that the Klingon language is included as part of a copyright lawsuit against Alec Peters & Ares' Studios from CBS & Paramount at the moment, so I'm sure Duolingo is hesitating until that verdict arrives.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeePassmore

unbelievable...money makes the word go around...it's sad

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erikiva
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I'd actually pay a monthly fee for a decent Finnish course and might not be the only one so doubt it is about money, all the courses are free, what do they get from fad languages people lose interest in after a couple of months?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

erikiva, I agree! [There is--I just checked again-- one, yes, fad "language" shown by DL. What is its background, progress and plan? The "language," to which I refer, is a commercial, language; its purpose is too make money. It was in the incubator at 33% for years, recently 34%, now 35%, with planned hatching in August!? I think we know its name, so why mention it?]
Let us do everything we can for Suomi on DL!! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Not that unbelievable.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Lee, I believe that any commercially constructed language will remain... in the 'incubator shell.' So, I might equate this with a trailer for a new Star Trek movie, which, in and of itself, fuels enthusiasm. Therefore, it is also my belief that "Klingon" will be a fad (hobby) as long as Paramount Pictures can keep creating Star Trek movies. I have two friends that enjoy exchanging phrases in this "commercial vehicle." I smile.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JGHunter
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How freakin' long do we have to wait? Two years and 1700 votes later...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asorel
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I want this course on Duolingo so bad! I would learn much faster than just reading words and giving translation... I want to be able to write sentences in Finnish... I'll support this project as long as I have to :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Asorel, You are cheering me up! ---Keneĉjo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asorel
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Are you a contributor for this course? If so, I can only say paljon kiitoksia!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Asorel, as an "esperantisto," I worked with Inari in an attempt to influence those whom I thought were in a position to help the cause for Suomi on Duolingo. ["Ni laboru kaj esperu."/ Let us work and hope.] ---Keneĉjo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/The_Fiska

I'm half Finnish and have visited my family there 2 times a year my whole life, but I still can't speak the language. Please, I HAVE TO LEARN! I want this course so bad, I really hope it'll come soon!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sarahkfogg
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I would love to learn Finnish! It looks difficult from what I've seen, but it would be so interesting.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/InsaneTofu

My husband has Finnish origins and we both would love to learn the language.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RaiDov
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How many upvotes do you need to get this into action?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

one more?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JuhaniTayl

Just wanted to add my support for Finnish being added to Duolingo! It seems a disappointment to me that courses in Klingon and Gaulish exist, but not Finnish.

2 years ago

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I completely agree. I cannot believe that there is higher demand for Klingon than Finnish! Somebody seems to have agenda or personal preference and ignore the public opinion and demand :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Cris, When I see a comment regarding "Klingon" I check the incubator. After many, many, many months at 33% hatching, I see a 'wiggle' in the hatching (?) shell to ...34%. Are we of Project Suomi actually concerned about Paramount Studio's commercial fad? [or perhaps DL's need to appear "cool" (attractive) to (young) people? I smile. I am quite serious about Suomi incubating, hatching, launching in beta and finishing, all vibrantly, on Duolingo!!! ---Keneĉjo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Asorel
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There is no Gaulish course as far as I am aware, this would be quite impossible. But yea, we want Finnish!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/billyh0

Please Duolingo offer Finnish, being of Finnish ancestry I am frusted by the lack of resources available for Finnish. If Duolingo would offer it, I would be super excited.

1 year ago

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I'm sad to see so little response from Duolingo when it comes to a Finnish course. However, I've found a very interesting project done by Mihalis Eleftheriou called Language Transfer (http://www.languagetransfer.org/). He has a Patreon and gives people one vote per dollar for deciding which languages he will create courses for.

Since having completed his Spanish course (which is surprisingly good), I've donated a dollar a month to his Patreon and been voting for Finnish every time. I urge you to do the same, so we can get more Finnish study material!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Don Alonzo, (On May 18th we received a 'Yes' from the CEO of DL) We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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December 6th, surely?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

scarcerer, We have received a "Yes, eventually." We want to speed up the "When?" This is the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS. We are tweeting daily! Please join our group's page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/john52571
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I'm not able to access: https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/ page is not available to me. Permissions issue? Not available to those in US?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

I cannot access it either (I'm in Finland).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Godhuntress, We have struggled! Can you go to twitter, and tweet: @duolingo ... for 100 years of independence, a place for #finnishonduolingo #Suomi100 [I am tweeting daily,] This until Suomi 100. We got a "Yes, eventually" from DL on May 18th. Would you agree that this is the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS? (P.S. Someone in the States was having the same problem. P.P.S. I am happy to see you!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

john, (This is a public group, and I'm in the U.S. ! ) ... How about (Facebook) / * Twitter? ......Facebook: https://facebook.com/duolingo/ ***Twitter: @duolingo ... for 100 years of independence, a place for #finnish on duolingo #Suomi 100. [I am tweeting this daily], this until Suomi100, December 6th !

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/john52571
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I can get to the DuoLingo FB page. Twitter, etc. Just can't get to your DuolingoFinnish FB page. Apparently others can't either. I bet you had a typo. Is it really: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

John, Please use the link just above your last post :)

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/john52571
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Ken, the URL you provided was https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/ and it does not work. The other URLs work fine.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andycheeseman

Hi all,

The URL for the Facebook group is... https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/

Thanks, Andy.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Andy, Kiitos!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elli734619
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As a native Finnish speaker living in Finland I meet a lot of foreign people who find it hard to learn Finnish. And being able to speak the language would help them to have a fuller and easier life in Finland. A Duolingo course would certainly help learning and I personally would love to contribute. Toivottavasti suomi saadaan Duolingoon!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

As an american looking to study finnish I think it is hard because its very "weird" looking for lack of better words. With swedish there are english words and both languages are Germanic. Finnish comes from the same roots as Russian and Polish (I believe, may be incorrect) which is why it's difficult to learn. For someone who knows nothing of Nordic languages the Finnish language is very hard!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erik_Pedersen

Dear Brooke, although you're right about the connection between Swedish (as well as Dutch, German, Norwegian, Danish, Faroese, Frisian and Icelandic) with English, all of these being examples of Germanic languages — and you're also right about Finnish not being in this group — you are, as you suspect, incorrect about the language group to which Finnish belongs, which is not the Slavic family but a separate, non-Indo-European family called Finno-Ugric.

Russian and Polish, while not Germanic, are nevertheless in the same broad Indo-European family that also includes the Celtic, Baltic, Romance, Germanic, Greek and Armenian languages, as well as Persian and most of the languages of north India, including Hindi, Gujarati, Punjabi and Bengali.

Finnish is instead closely related to Sami, the language of the people who used to be known as Lapps, and to some other Finnic languages which hold minority status in Russia; somewhat more distantly related to Estonian; and still more distantly to Hungarian. Except for recent word borrowings, none of these languages bear any relationship to any Indo-European language.

If you're concerned about ease of learning, the easiest language for an English speaker to learn is, of course, Esperanto, with its utterly regular simple grammar and a vocabulary that borrows from many Germanic and Romance languages, including English and French.

Next easiest would be a language like French or Spanish (since the vocabulary of modern English has been influenced both by French and by learned borrowings from Latin) or German, Danish, Dutch, Norwegian or Swedish, etc.

If you wanted to learn a Slavic language, I believe that Polish or Czech would be slightly easier than Russian, since Russian adds the extra dimension of the Cyrillic alphabet.

No language is intrinsically hard for someone who learns it at her mother's knee, but for a native English speaker, Finnish, Hungarian or Turkish would indeed likely be the most difficult to learn of any of the languages I have so far mentioned in this little posting. Only the Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, or such oriental languages as Chinese, Japanese or Korean are likely to be harder than, say, Finnish.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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A very good explanation, Erik_Pedersen! Except for one point: Sami and Finnish aren't at all as closely related as Finnish and Estonian are. Estonian and Finnish are in the same subgroup of the Finno-Ugric languages, and Sami is in another one.

This difference is also born out in practice, so that a Finnish speaker (such as I) can understand some Estonian pretty easily (although a more detailed or deeper understanding takes quite some studying), whereas Sami is impossible to understand, you can only recognize some words here and there.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Erik_Pedersen

Thank you for the kind words, and sorry for the mix-up, Annika. I should have done some research before my off-the-cuff answer. Mea culpa.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Saluton Erik! ... tre bone dirite entute! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HulluNiilo

Finns and Estonians can pretty understand much of what they say to each other, as is the case with Swedes and Danes .

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Elli, Would you like to become a member of the incubator team? https://incubator.duolingo.com/apply

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christobabble

Hope this is still in the pipeline, would love to learn Finnish - I'll be going in a couple of years, so well worth it!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Christobabble, We got a "Yes" from DL; we are campaigning for a "When." We are voting until Suomi 100 (December 6th), using Twitter. We're tweeting daily: @duolingo #finnishonduolingo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christobabble

Awesome :-) That's brilliant - much love for duolingo for what they provide and for everyone who is getting the project going!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Razmikb
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Didn't this post have more than 2000 votes?! Have a similar problem on the post for Georgian [1], lost 700 votes.

It's suspicious that posts which meant to be demonstrative of what people want, and Duolingo says we consider what people want [2] are losing votes. Very suspicious :D

  1. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10727793/English-for-Georgian-speakers
  2. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/15014194
9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Yes, it did. There were more posts like this that suddenly dropped to zero a few months ago.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Razmikb
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Were they like these ones? Getting votes for languages.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Yes, they were. But I'm not sure it means anything - there are hardly any other posts this old with this many votes that anyone monitors closely enough to notice.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Razmikb, €, $ ...!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonarinoCaitlin

Please add Finnish, Duolingo! It's been so long!

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/underwood.jones
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Tokien was a huuuge Finnish fan. He described studying Finnish as, "...like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.” I wish you all the best of luck in assembling your team! I'll forward to watching your progress in the incubator (I'm an incubator addict...I can't stop clicking on it for the latest day-by-day progress!) ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thanks for the support! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/4of92000
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Where did you get that quote? I remember reading it in a book titled In the Land of Invented Languages (it was a big part of his Elvish languages, and a major motivation for writing The Lord of the Rings), but I haven't heard it anywhere else.

Hmm.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Esperakantisto

‘In the summer vacation of 1912 Tolkien went into camp for a fortnight with King Edward’s Horse, a territorial cavalry regiment in which he had recently enrolled. He enjoyed the experience of galloping across the Kentish plains — the camp was near Folkestone — but it was a wet and windy fortnight, and the tents were often blown down in the night. This taste of life on horseback and under canvas was enough for him, and he resigned from the regiment after a few months. When the camp had concluded, he went on a walking holiday in Berkshire, sketching the villages and climbing the downs. And then, all too soon, his first year as an undergraduate was over. . . .

‘At about this time he discovered Finnish. He had hoped to acquire some knowledge of the language ever since he had read the Kalevala in an English translation, and now in Exeter College library he found a Finnish grammar. With its aid he began an assault on the original language of the poems. He said afterwards: “It was like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine, of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.”

‘He never learned Finnish well enough to do more than work through part of the original Kalevala, but the effect on his language-inventing was fundamental and remarkable. He abandoned neo-Gothic and began to create a private language that was heavily influenced by Finnish. This was the language that would eventually emerge in his stories as “Quenya” or High-elven. That would not happen for many years; yet already a seed of what was to comes was germinating in his mind. He read a paper on the Kalevala to a college society, and in it began to talk about the importance of the type of mythology found in the Finnish poems. “These mythological ballads,” he said, “are full of that very primitive undergrowth that the literature of Europe has on the whole been steadily cutting and reducing for many centuries with different and earlier completeness among different people.” And he added: “I would that we had more of it left — something go the same sort that belonged to the English.” An exciting notion; and perhaps he was already thinking of creating that mythology for England himself.’

— Humphrey Carpenter, J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography, pp. 66–67. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2014, 304 pages. ISBN 9780547524429.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/underwood.jones
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"The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" by Humphrey Carpenter. It's his letter to W. H. Auden. You can find a copy of the book on Amazon here:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Letters-J-R-R-Tolkien-J/dp/0618056998

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/4of92000
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Oh. A little more direct than the book I was talking about.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FleraEvan

I see you have been learning Welsh! If it isn't too random, would you please say a few lines in Welsh? I am a native and I would love it if you would.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/underwood.jones
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Are you a native speaker? If so you might laugh at: Achub y morfilod!! You've probably heard that awkward pun before though... ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swingbeatnik7
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Quenya is based on Finnish, Sindarin on Welsh, according to Tolkien.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

swingbeatnik, Ĉu interesas vin lerni la finnan pere de Duolingo? Se jes, havas mi novaĵon tre interesan por vi!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TseDanylo
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Well, if Tolkien just wanted to taste the wine, I must be an alcoholic XD

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kawaiimeriem

thank you

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne
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Finnish is so pretty. Very difficult, though! But if there's one good place to learn it, it's Duolingo! I definitely would like to see it here as well.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theognome

Yer purdy.

Theognome

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/biznovlartist_

Damn you're on a roll

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yoel.
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Best of luck with it, I'll follow the course when it comes out. Paljon onnea for getting involved!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thank you very much Yoel. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dariushulme
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I had to give you a couple of lingots! Finnish is a brilliant venture and I wish you all the bet as I cannot wait to start learning it. Bravo!:)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TL---
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Thanks! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yoruji
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I'd love a Finnish course! I hope you get accepted and that there will be a good, dedicated team!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/danstaby
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I would also really like to be able to learn Finnish through Duolingo. I've started using Memrise because of a recommendation on this forum, but it is not as good as Duolingo.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NSchoon

Trying to learn Finnish at the moment but would Love to have a Finnish course here at Duolingo!!! You have my support!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TrueCB
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I have looked SO HARD for I Finnish course and if Duo gets one it will be the best around! GO PROJECTFINNISH!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomLockett

I'd certainly love to learn some Finnish! I hope this gets the go head.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/andycheeseman

Yes please. A million times yes. I'm moving to Finland in February and I need to learn the lingo (and how to roll my R's).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Patsyish
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That rolling you can practice with a Scot... :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/malex0994
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I am totally supporting this project, make this happen Duolingo!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Azure_Waters
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There needs to be a finnish course! I am so excited! Let's get it rolling! I'm super stoked over here (:

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xolove24xo
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Id be so excited to learn Finnish (:

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomHakkinen

Yes! I would love to learn Finnish -- it is at the top of my list of languages to learn.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shirel.tai
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Is there something that has been or we just have to wait to the next poll to vote for finnish ?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lord.typhus

When do Polls come?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shirel.tai
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I don't know when the next one will come, so I need to check. I'll comment here I'll know

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JudithvanGorp

Yes! I would love to learn Finnish! I see that this is quite an old discussion, do you know if there is any progress here?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Just having clicked it, I got in return 'Sorry, this content isn't available right now'

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Andrius, Please let me give you fully up-to-date information: Finnish on Duolingo! [public group] https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ Facebook comments: https://facebook.com/duolingo ***include #finnishonduolingo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nina.smirn
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So many people who want to learn Finnish out there and no Finnish course yet? I'm learning it now and join this thread of Finnish fans for sure! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HQvist
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I want this so bad! I hope we get there!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Flotheman

New on DuoLingo. I hope you will succeed in that project even if it's a year old as I would love to learn Finnish. I've joined you on Facebook. Fingers crossed!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElpisIsrael

I too would enjoy Finnish.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anavlot

Just left my application to contribute for this course. Hopefully one day we can make this happen.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brittalexiswm

I so wish the Duolingo team would approve Finnish already!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brittalexiswm

What are you waiting for, Duolingo?!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kebabkerry

I would love to learn finnish! Good luck with getting a team together :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Baptizein

That hope of having a Finnish course on Duolingo illuminate my day ! Give me a petition and I sign it... I can also send you money... I can't wait to learn Finnish !! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sbamueller2

Would it be possible that we gather some money through a crowd funding campaign and then use that to pay some people to set up the finish course on duolingo?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erikiva
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I doubt that's the problem, as far as I know there are a few volunteers, no idea what's happening with this..

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/emuliae
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I think Finnish is a challenging one for Duolingo because it's a small language and only about 6 million people speak it. Then again we have Klingon and Esperanto here which kind of makes this point invalid... But I think it's just that Duolingo doesn't yet have proof there would be enough (?) learners because it's not a super popular language.

Btw, this topic only needs 9 more upvotes to get to top 10 in "Top all time" discussions :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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If you do it guys I am ready for testing at once! Opiskellaan suomea ahkerasti! :) Let's do it!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MartosBogi
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Thank you! How many are there who would contribute? Unfortunately I am not a native Finnish only enjoy learning and I have spent a few months among them to appreciate the language. I am ready to test in beta are you too? I am going to invite all my friends who are involved with Finnish language to help! This worth the effort! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/emuliae
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I've seen quite a few people say they've submitted a request to contribute (including me), so I believe we'd have a team ready. It's just a matter of bringing all of us together :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yulia324884

Looking forward for finish course, I really need it. Hope it will happen soon.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adr.9
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Good luck! Looking forward to seeing Finnish on Duolingo! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Chuck, Anna! Kredas mi tutkore, ke la grupo finna por la kreo de Duolingo finna kurso estas forte serioza. (Pro tio c^i estas mi membro de la laborogrupo.) Same kiel d--ro Zamenhofo strebis por E--o, mi kredas, ke simila fajro brulas en c^i tiuj koroj en Finnlando/ Suomio ! ---Kenec^jo Goldbergo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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Viaj wordoj kaj sentoj estas ege bonvenoj. La apogo de la Esperanta komunumo estas nemalhavebla al la kauxzo kiun ni strebas.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aavargasz
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Come on, Duolingo, please!! We need a Finnish course!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BenCathcart

Please can we make this happen now? I feel like we have been waiting for so long. I mean they have Klingon for god's sake, which I imagine is similar in terms of being different from the English language...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Ben, of course I agree! By the way, "Klingon" is owned by Paramount movie studio. So "Klingon" is a fad, which will last as long as the series of "Star Trek" films!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TemGold

I'd love to learn Finnish on duolingo! How can I support the addition of a Finnish course?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Icystrider
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the #FinnishOnDuolingo facebook group :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/boltushka
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I still hope the Finnish project will start some day.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/paganmegan
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Me too, sooner rather than later.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/9Sun
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Minäkin haluan tehdä Suomen Duolingon. Mä oon Suomalainen :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Ihanko tosi?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

Samat ajatukset oli. :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeePassmore

Listen here Mr DUOLINGO..whoever you are..Finnish just has to be included. Not including it just pushes it further and further into obscurity. It's sad when a language starts to fade out of existence and Finnish is certainly one at risk. Personally, I'm moving to Vaasa ( a Swedish speaking Finnish city), which means it's pointless in me learning Swedish without Finnish. Save the Finns! Make it happen! Please!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Er... As passionately bilingual as I am, I have to point out that Vaasa is only 22.6% Swedish speaking according to Wikipedia. (And I don't see any signs of Finnish fading out of existence anytime soon.)

But yeah, you'll probably need both, living in Vaasa. The ongoing Finnish course posted here by user Zzzzz... will probably get you well on your way!

2 years ago

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"Further and further into obscurity"... I know 5 million native speakers may not sound like a lot compared to some major world languages, but... I assure you, the Finns are alright. We're alright. It is true that the status of Finnish as a language used in some scientific fields is beginning to be compromised (as new discoveries are made faster than academic papers are being translated into languages other than English) but this is hardly something a Duolingo course can help. If you look at Finnish on the EDGIS scale (see "Finnish in the language cloud" on the Ethnologue), it's rank 1/10, which is about the same as Japanese despite the latter's larger L1 population. I would love to see Duolingo do a Finnish course and contribute to it, but not because I'm particularly worried about the future of my language.

I wish you all the best in Vaasa, though! I agree with annika_a that you need both languages, especially if you don't want to switch to English as soon as you leave the coastal areas. Where I was raised (in central Finland) it's hard to find people who actually can hold a conversation in Swedish - sadly, my own productive skills are nothing to brag about, either.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Studying Estonian has put any possible fears I may have ever had about Finnish dying out at rest: Estonian speakers number only about 1/5 of Finnish speakers, and they seem to be doing all right! :-)

Also, if you do stay in the coastal areas, but go outside of the city of Vaasa, you'll most definitely need Swedish! (Finnish won't help you much there.) But the local dialects are so special that you'll also need quite some practice...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Godhuntress

Indeed, generally speaking, a language is not endangered if it holds official status in a country. Finnish was endangered some 150 years ago, however, but the Russian rule and the autonomy changed that.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lopezvu
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I am currently using anki, "teach yourself" book series and digitaldialects but I have found duolingo extremely useful for Russian and would love to see it for Finnish.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Releena

I would really love if Finnish language was available in Duolingo, hope that it can be done soon

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luuukaaaas

Really hope to see a Finnish course!!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xcoder123

Two years later, with over 2000 upvotes and still Finnish is not even in an incubator. What a shame duolingo....

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tovarisch_stalin

Do you hear us duolingo??...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sindorsindor

Yes Please! Finnish Please! I would use it every day!!! I need help. Aupa! Kiitos!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PootScoot14

FINNISH FINNISH FINNISH!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

PootScoot, Duolingo has given us a clearly glimmering green light for Finnish on DL. We, last week, began campaigning. ---Simple! Could you tweet this, and any positive message, to: @LuisVonAhn and @duolingo [always add #finnishonduolingo] ? We have been doing this daily.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/billyh0

Just did my first Tweet - "@LuisVonAhnDuolingo, @LuisvonAhn @duolingo Please add Finnish to Duolingo. #finnishonduolingo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

billy, I believe I heard beautiful music ! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrisseMartti

I was sent here and I wonder how I can vote? they say I come here and VOTE for this language, but there is no any vote??? and this is also two years old, is it still alive???? nobody is commenting here

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Krisse, I just commented; I voted yes for your comment! ............ [I up/voted" it!] So, you see the green "1". I scrolled through the comments. Any positive comments that were gray, I clicked on, and made green. Anyone may do this! ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Krisse, Can you "tweet"? We are "tweeting" to: @LuisVonAhn ...and to @duolingo (here is an example): I love #finnishonduolingo! ... Many are using Twitter to tweet every day (!) ---Keneĉjo

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrisseMartti

I might try!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Grus11

This post from 3 years ago hasn't budged, but is the second top post of all time. Is there anything new? I feel this definitely should've been noticed by now, or at least received some acknowledgement from Duolingo staff. I would love to learn Finnish properly, and the chance to repeat the things I learnt while being an exchange student back in 2015.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

Gruss, (On May 18th we received a "Yes" from the CEO of DL) ––– We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrius5225
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Happy Birthday, Suomi! Kippis!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCrazyFinn

UPDATE: No signs yet on twitter or the incubator as to whether or not Finnish for English speakers is going to be coming out, lots of anticipation for the next 24 hours... if all the conspiracy theories are going to be true, then hopefully tomorrow will be the big day! #Suomi100

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Autrelle
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Waiting, hoping ang crossing fingers :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCrazyFinn

https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/fi/en/status keep checking that link for any signs! Post in the comment section if anything is announced on Twitter, Facebook, on the Incubator, or anywhere else about fi->en

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tifa993854

I think Finnish is the most beautiful language in the world! I lived in Tampere for a year to study it, but sadly I have lost a lot of it in the 5 years since I left due to a lack of resources in the states. Please Duolingo, add this wonderful language!!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiriusMusta

I'm a native Finnish speaker who is currently studying Finnish and I would like to contribute to making this happen! When will Duolingo get on with it?!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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Noone knows when. If you're willing to contribute, please apply in the incubator, but then you can't do anything else but wait, unfortunately.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg
5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KenecxjoGoldberg

SiriusMusta, Have you joined our group? We are voting! https://facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo

5 months ago