Hi, I just sent my contribution application to Duolingo. I hope that I get accepted. I've noticed that there are several other Finnish people around here who would also like to contribute to the course. If this discussion gets enough up votes and people say that they want to learn Finnish here, maybe Duolingo will accept our applications and you will soon be able to learn Finnish! Finnish people are very hard working, so the job will be done in no time. So if you are at least a little interested in learning the language -> Up vote! It may not be the most sought after course, but it sure is awesome! It has words like "juoksentelisinkohankaan", which means: I wonder if I should continue running around aimlessly? If the course will be added, we will maybe include a section with that kind of words, so you can impress your Finnish friends.
And you other Finnish people who would also like to contribute, identify yourselves in the comment section below, so that people will see that we are willing to make the Project Finnish! come true!
Thank you, and spread the word!
Yay! I'm learning Finnish at home on my own, but I know that I would do much better if I had a Duolingo course to help me. I had struggled with Italian on my own for a long time, but I am flying through it now with Duolingo.
Go team Finland! I hope that you get asked to build a course soon. I'm off to memorise juoksentelisinkohankaan now. :)
I actually could have used that word yesterday! I wanted to go for a run (but my running is more of a random jog around, so more juoksentelua than actual juoksua), but it was raining a lot after the first football game ended. So I could have said "juoksentelisinkohankaan sittenkään" = "should I run around a bit after all".
I used it with my Finnish friend. He was most impressed. Of course, he knows my level of Finnish is very low, so he was not fooled, and knew I had just read it somewhere. But it was fun anyway. :)
AghaZC, I have carefully checked: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ is the way you can join us. One person, who, I believe, is lately very busy, must manually enter each new member; so it may take just a little while.
I found clitics the hardest so far. Even after I first passed it, I still didn't really understand. I'm a way past it now though, and I've finally almost got the hang of it.
Are clitics like possessions? I don't really understand what they are :S. And also how long have you been learning Italian on Duolingo for?
I didn't even learn grammar in English, so trying to understand and explain it is really hard for me, but clitics are to do with 'indirect object pronouns'.
So, while 'he' is normally 'lui', if 'he' is the indirect subject of the sentence, (for instance, "I gave the book to him") 'lui' becomes 'gli' and moves to the beginning of the sentence. Or something like that. :\
Even if I can't explain it, I am finding that with constant repetition I am at least starting to understand the meaning of the sentences, and recognise when I should be using the clitics.
Oh, and I have been on Duolingo for 62 days. :)
This sounds very similar to (my native) Spanish, where you could say:
"I gave the book to him" ->
"Di el libro a el" "Le di el libro"
I didn't even know these can be considered clitics! I read just last night how some old Germanic language (I believe it was Gothic) had all sorts of clitics, which in particular are not present in more modern Germanic tongues.
"Clitics" doesn't have a linguistically airtight definition, but they are a category between affixes (word beginnings or endings) and independent words. The possessive 's is an example, as are the indirect and direct object pronouns in Romance languages.
I just call them 'evil little words that the Italians invented to torture me with', but your definition is much clearer. :D
I take it back. I'm having a nightmare at the moment with 'future perfect' tense. I've been at it all day, and I'm still only half way through the subject. :(
Haha :D Thanks Moomingirl! I have tried to pull it off in a sentence, but I haven't succeeded yet :D
Well, I think you should add "enää" (=any more) in the end :) "Juoksentelisinkohankaan enää" Ps. Someone actually downvoted this discussion and a couple of the comments :O
Yes, there seems to be a problem with people down voting everything in sight recently.
I would LOVE a course for Finnish!!! It's so hard to find any resources to learn Finnish and I'm not really sure where to start. Duolingo would be great for that! I've only used it for French, which I already had a background in when I started learning. It would be interesting to start learning a language from scratch using Duolingo.
It's a beautiful language, in sound and form, spoken in an amazing serene and pristine country, an inspiration for some of the most elaborate and complete constructed linguistic sagas (Tolkein's Quenya), and I would love to tackle the challenge of learning it.
If votes, comments and Lingots might help convince the team that a Finnish course should be developed - you have all three from me.
Finnish is one of the coolest languages ever! I have been fascinated with the fact that Finnish is actually a non-Indo European language and yet it has become one of the biggest languages in Europe. I would say the same for Hungarian and Estonian (but Finnish is my Favorite of the three). I would definitely add Finnish to many list of learning languages if it came out.
Finnish only has about 5 million speakers, I'd be rather hard-pressed to call it "one of the biggest languages in Europe". Maybe it's "one" of the biggest in an absolute sense if you include every single obscure language like Sami and Romansh, but French, Spanish, German, Dutch, Portguese, Italian, Russian, Romanian, Swedish, Polish, Belarusian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Czech, Albanian, Greek and Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian are all bigger in the sense of population. (I probably missed a couple more, too.) Finnish is pretty far down the list. ;)
I agree Finnish is smaller than other languages, but it's not that small. It is up in the list with Slovak, Norwegian, and Danish. There are 6,000-7,000 languages in the world, but at least it made the top 200:) I like languages such as Latvian and Icelandic and they don't even have over 3 million.
Yeah, in overall list of the languages of the world it is in the top group and in Europe probably halfway, but it feels a bit odd to call it "one of the biggest" in a group that includes English, French, Spanish, German, Russian...
Because we are about five millions living in Finland and from what I heard about one million speakers abroad (I wonder how that works though, does it include e.g. fourth generation emigrants in America who know occasional Finglish...)
Lithuanian has just over 3 million. And if the smaller, the better, learn Ido - it's designed to be easy to learn, and it has about 1500 speakers.
I speak it fairly well - at the very least, I can make myself understood, creating words from French and German, and I can almost always understand most words (Though some of the Germanic-roots throw me off).
Have you ever spoken to anyone in the language in real life and are there good books/readings in Ido? Just wondering, but is it a mix of Latin and Germanic languages? Could you share what resource(s) you used for studying it, that is if you do not mind.
All right. If you're a native English speaker, here are some useful resources.
http://idolinguo.org.uk/eniddyer.htm - Fairly large dictionary
https://io.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frontispico - Ido Wiktionary - you can look up Ido words and see their English, Russian, German, Spanish, French, Italian and Finnish (Though Finnish is not a source language of the roots, it's surprisingly a good resource). I am one of the three editors.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Easy_Ido - This pretty much covers ALL the grammar in 8 lessons, aside from one point (If you decide to read it, message me and I'll tell you that part that they missed.)
http://www.ido.li/index.php/ULI/Progreso358 - PROGRESO (Progress) - this is like Times, but it's all in Ido and quite interesting to read. 331 issues online so far, so you'll have loads to read.
http://linguoido.ning.com/ - A social network entirely in Ido. I'm not on it, but it looks fun, and it's a good way to practise, even if you don't comment.
All the Ido community is surprisingly warm, at least, in my opinion when I was first learning Ido.
A couple of classics like the Little Prince and Alice in Wonderland have been translated into Ido, but I have no idea where I would find them on the internet.
And the main 3 languages that it takes into consideration are Spanish, French and Italian (with English, Russian and German influencing the words as well).
As for using Ido, there are Ido conventions every year - this year, I think it will be held in Kiev. I would go, but I can't. Sometimes, I write lengthy (five pages or so) poems in Ido, and send it to one of my Idisti.
EDIT: Also, one more thing: Ido is mutually intelligble with Spanish (That's the only romance language I've tested Ido on) - I went around Madrid speaking Ido, and people understood me - albeit saying that I speak very poor Spanish.
Hey, thanks! If Ido is so close to Spanish that real Spanish speakers understand it, wouldn't it make more sense to just learn Spanish, or Spanish first? It just doesn't make sense. It seems like from what you said maybe this is an artificial dialect rather than a language. Very interesting though. Good luck on you language learning.
It's probably mutually intelligible with Italian and Portuguese as well. And yes, it makes the road easier if you know an Italic language.
Belarusian, 7 million people CLAIM to know it, but about 3.5 million actually know it. And all people who speak Belarusian know Russian, so Finnish triumphes Belarusian by far.
Sorry for being hypercritical!
Hm, yes, I had read about that but I didn't interpret it the way you did. I'll take your word for it. How does that even work; do the people who think they know Belarusian actually know Russian?
Everyone is required to study it in schools in urban areas and schools in rural areas are actually taught completely in Belarusian. But learning a language and knowing it are different things. Just about everyone can understand spoken word and write it (it's plain phonetic), but not everyone can read well and speak just be a jumble of Belarusian and Russian words (trasyanka- трасянка). A similar situation is happening with Irish Gaelic in Ireland, if you're familiar with that.
You can still find Belarusian just about everywhere rurally in pure form, but usually older people speak it. Younger people are even embarrassed to speak it sometimes, even if they know it.
"Patriots", such as Finnmark above, easily identified by the white-red-white (БЧБ) flag, try to promote the language (amongst other things) and use it in everyday life (and get strange looks from others).
Maybe, Finnish is not the biggest language in a sense of population. But I think there are much more native speakers than there are with -let's say- Welsh and Irish. And these two last mentioned are already active courses, here at Duolingo. So, I am pretty optimistic, that Finnish might get an own course, at last. :)
Ole, Yes, The head of Duolingo stated that we will get a Finnish course (eventually).
Finnish has something strange about it. Finland seems familiar, culturally, but the language is so different. I think that's what's compelling about Finnish. Usually, when the language is very different, so is the culture.
Yay! I won't mind learning my neighbour language :) Bring on those heavy consonants!
Swedish is actually my mother tongue :D But I still speak Finnish just as good. Trevligt att du vill lära dig vårt språk!
Min glädje! I think after my Italian lessons, if Finnish is available by then, I might try it! If not then I might give another Romance language a go! :)
For around 8 years I wanted to learn Finnish now, bought a book, started a course and thought about making a course in university (unfortunately the course never fits into my schedule). If I could learn it with Duolingo I'd be happy as hell since Finnish is one of the most beautiful languages ever :) I only imagine that it's quite hard to learn the grammar with the Duolingo method. I really hope your applications will be accepted :)
Haha nope :D Just a Finland lover for many years. By this I unwantedly tricked many users on the internet :D
I consider myself tricked! :-) And wish you onnea matkaan with your endeavor -- hopefully Duolingo can help you with this soon. (But I guess if you've been at it for 8 years, a few months more or less won't matter...) ;-)
Have you tried the courses on Memrise? My spouse really needs to learn Finnish, and has tried one on the courses there, but so far it doesn't seem to going that well... I am just wondering whether there is one course on there above the rest.
Kiitos paljon :) I heard about Memrise from a friend but I didn't notice that they offer Finnish. Maybe I could try it out and tell you later if it worked for me ;)
I guess in the end I'll end up taking classes in university ;) (if I ever manage to organise my schedule according to finnish class times...)
I'm using the 'Basic Finnish' course on Memrise. It's good for increasing vocabulary, but there are no sentences at all. I may have to look around at some of the other courses.
I am just hoping that one day I will be able to put together the stuff from my textbook, along with the extra vocabulary, and be able to make some sense of it all.
Another user in this thread finds that the Finnish courses on Memrise don't really work for him/her. :-(
I tried a little bit of both of the "3000 words of Finnish" courses just to test them out, and they seemed OK to me, but it is of course impossible to put yourself in the position of a learner when you already know the stuff. Generally, there seems to be a wide variety in the types and qualities of the courses on Memrise. But as with Duolingo, it's free, so there's no reason not to give it a try! I find it really useful for practicing verb conjugations (in French).
Nothing big .... they acknowledged our existence at least. and gave a BIIIIG .... maybe .... and a cute who-knows-when .... :)
I guess someone lost his mind at Duolingo... Have you seen, what is the new course in incubator?? https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/hv/en/status - High Valyrian.... Ridiculous... With one contributor... A language which has the relevance like the Klingon has... A Finnish course would be done easier, faster, with real voice recordings, with hundreds more contributors...
What a ridiculous bs indeed! I should be feeling lucky that the mods were sane at the time when Hungarian went into the incubator. Too bad Finnish is the victim now.
I do not need that, I already speak the language, I just want to help to build it :) En tarvitse sitä, puhun jo kieltä, haluan vain auttaa rakentamaan sen :)
Oh, sorry, I didn't know that! I hope you get the chance to help build a Finnish course for Duolingo. Onnea sinulle!
Do we actually think "Klingon" (owned by Paramount Movie Studios, Hollywood) will e v e r get out of its comfortable little (33%) incubator? And now "High Valerian"???---hobby "inventions" (in little eggshells). Why do we see these "perpetual fantasies?" They excite the fantasy-inclined hobbyist...to fantasize! And, I suppose, to people so inclined, make "Duolingo" look..."cool,"...like "Wow!" Suomi is a beautiful, natural, (national), language. So, what is our focus?
I have a horrible suspicion that the reason is this: Duolingo's success as a company is measured by the total number of users. Therefore the priority it attaches to a language (which has to be balanced against technical difficulties in adding it) is based not on the number of people who want to learn a given language but the number of people who might use Duolingo to learn this language who are not already using Duolingo to study something else.
Fantasy languages are a minority interest, but a relatively high proportion of those interested will be people not otherwise interested in language learning...
Of course there are many people who enjoy both fantasy literature and language learning. But many do not.
Your question is: where are the people who are/will be interested in learning Finnish - but ONLY Finnish?
Finnish is a beautiful and fascinating language, which would genuinely be of use to me to learn. But so useful that I can afford to degrade my knowledge of French, German or Russian? Honestly, no. Which proves their point.
I've only stayed around for so long because I'm hoping that Finnish will come one day. Maybe I should leave to help the cause? :)
Yep, it's the only reason I'm here. I've played about with the language tools, but the site is pretty much useless to me without Finnish. I've started using other websites meanwhile, as I can't really wait around for Duolingo to get going.
It is counterintuitive, but I fear may be correct. Actually, what would be even better: THREATEN to leave... ;)
Agreed! My more serious point is that we need to identify who are the people, like yourself, for whom Finnish is the primary reason for being here.
And any non-governmental organisations who would refer people en masse to Duolingo's Finnish course, if such a thing existed...
There must be organisations that take care of teaching Finnish to immigrants, right? Last year, when the immigration wave was high, I read somewhere that there was a lack of teachers and they were looking for ways to teach Finnish online. They should have found Duolingo by now, shouldn't they?
Well, why would these organizations find Duolingo, since there's no Finnish course on here...? ;-)
@widle: Any chance of finding any news articles about these organisations and their difficulties in finding teachers to teach Finnish?
I read somewhere that the highest proportion of Swedish learners on Duolingo are in Sweden - because Sweden has a large number of recent immigrants who are using Duolingo to learn.
I suspect that a forum topic summarizing a similar need in Finland, linking to news articles discussing this (summarized in English if necessary) may have more impact on Duolingo, than all the motivated, enthusiastic learners and would-be teachers on pages like this :/
I believe that Ukrainian went into the system rapidly because enquiries by an American charitable organisation demonstrated the existence of a sizeable market of learners awaiting the language.
I am aware that the structure of Finnish appears to pose significant technical problems to Duolingo, which is probably a major contributor to the lack of movement on this. But given that Hungarian is now in development, now might be a good time to try to make the case for Finnish in this way.
@daughterofAlbion I think I read it on the simple news, so there weren't any details there. It will probably be much easier to find this kind of information in Finnish, but full articles are still a bit above my level.
My experience is that, that most of the users here study more than one language. every language has a place here, every natural language, and sometimes the artificial ones, but for me, comparing Finnish with a language I've never heard, because I do not follow Game of Thrones... is ridiculous. Finnish is important, and if we want to mix is somehow with fantasy, then here it is: it was partially the basic of Tolkien's languages. :)
To be honest, most of Duolingo's 100M+ registered users have probably just played around with one language for a bit, and then never come back.
We only see the active people here, who stay around for a long time and learn several languages, and have probably learned languages before.
daughter, I'm 90% sure there are more people seeking improvement in standard of living who want to learn Finnish than who want to learn High Valyrian.
This was discussed elsewhere, by someone who has analysed statistics on the courses. Apparently although a large number of English users learn multiple languages, amongst those whose native language is not English the majority (by no means all!) are focussed on learning one major language (often English).
Presumably many of these are doing it for career purposes, rather than love of language learning, which will give them considerable staying power, and make them ideal target customers.
And those who are trying to emigrate to America or Germany, because of perceived improvements in standard of living, are unlikely to be swayed by the beauty or linguistic importance of Finnish. :/
@scarcerer: I heartily agree that moving to Finland would be a good choice for those seeking to improve their quality of life. But America and Germany are better known destinations, and their lifestyle more familiar because their television programmes have a wider circulation than those from Finland. So how well known is this? And how many migrants does Finland accept? (compared to larger countries)
"Game of Thrones" has an international distribution, so worldwide the fanbase is huge. Even if only 5% can be interested in learning an invented language, that is still a large figure. (Remember also that invented languages are generally easier to learn, precisely because they are invented.)
I would like you to be right, but I fear you are not. This is not about what would be sensible, but what is known. If you know neither English nor Finnish, it is more likely that you have a concept of America, Britain, Australia or South Africa, gained from watching their TV shows and films, translated into your local language. How many Finnish shows are marketed as internationally? The image of a country obtained from how it is portrayed is likely to be deeply flawed, but if you know you want to know more, you can try to find out. If you don't know anything about Finland, you don't know that you need to know more. I fear that the number of people who know enough about Finland to know that Finland would be a good destination, without already have some foreign language experience to give them enough information, is likely to be small.
Of course! I don't know how many people can help out with a single course, but I think that we can get you in if (when) Duo accepts our applications :)
I know your comment is old, but I just saw it. I think that if you're even remotely interested in contributing you should totally apply! (if you haven't already) It would increase our chances of b eing noticed if more people applied!
Okay, I can apply! I have a word document where I wrote the English portion, I just need to translate it. Actually I was worried about my age, but then I saw how young the Irish kid is!
Maybe ask on their Facebook page. I heard companies can be quite responsive on social networks due to the visibility.
Hi, I'll volunteer. I have actually studied Finnish language and communication at unversity level and work as a translator. Finnish is my native language.
I really admire everyone who's willing to put in the time and effort that it takes to build these courses and to help make them available to the world. :)
I haven't been very active in Duolingo recently (studying Norwegian on my own), but I'm still very eager to have the Finnish course started. I applied the same day the Incubator was released last year so I have waited for some time now :)
Here are some resources that I have collected to my bookmarks so far:
http://oppiminen.yle.fi/suomi-finnish - Study material by The Finnish Broadcasting Company, Yle. Beginners might want to start here: http://www.oneness.vu.lt/fi/ (It's an old webpage so some links are broken, but you can still do the exercises.)
http://www11.edu.fi/ymmarra/index.php - Great site by The Finnish National Board of Education. It has a simple dictionary (Sanakirja), verb conjugation guide (Verbiluettelo), grammar guide (Kielioppi) and lots of text with audio (a real person reading!) and exercises. Highly recommend!
http://yle.fi/selkouutiset/ - News by Yle with simplified Finnish, has both text and audio (the reading is very slow so it's easier to follow).
I'm also willing to make shared flashcards for Anki if anyone is interested, maybe a deck of basic vocabulary with pictures so you don't even have to know English for that, and another deck for short phrases. Let me know if you want me to do that :)
Thank you so much for posting the links.
I for one would be very excited to have your Anki flash cards. :D
Alright, this is what I have done so far: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/581805485
It's very simple deck with words that I came up with, and I will continue making it bigger with more vocabulary. I'm also going to make one deck for phrases later.
We are soon celebrating the most important Finnish holiday called juhannus (Midsummer), so you might not hear from me for few days :)
Thank you so much for your work on this, sannap. I need to go out now but I will have a look later today. I really appreciate your help.
Hyvä juhannus. :)
You're welcome! And here's a grammar tip to make your sentence perfect: We use partitive in greetings and holiday wishes which adds -a/-ä/-ta/-tä/-tta/-ttä to the end of words. Like this:
Hyvä-ä huomen-ta! (= Good morning)
Onnellis-ta uu-tta vuo-tta! (= Happy New Year)
Thanks for the corrections. :)
I had a quick look at your cards, and they are really helpful. I am just going to finish my Italian tree (hopefully by the end of next weekend) and then I shall be back to concentrating on my Finnish, so they will get a lot of use.
Thanks again :D
Great! I believe that many people will appreciate it if you make the flashcards. Glad to have you with us! :)
I can translate from Finnish to English, have done so professionally more than 10 yrs. If this is helpful, I am happy to help with this project. my Finnish is not native and I do not translate from English into Finnish. Get a Finn to produce exemplary Finnish.
I learned Finnish from a 10 wk beginners class at U of MN, then reading more lessons from 1st book of Finnish for Foreigners. Mostly you can learn from being surrounded by it and desperately needing or wanting the skill everyday. Many of our exchange students (teenagers in rural areas) who try hard can be quite conversational after 10 mo.s or so, as I was.
In the meantime, samulili has written a great Duolingo style course on Memrise. It's still in early development, but I have found it really useful and fun so far. Here's the link:
Naturally, I really want to see Finnish on Duolingo; there is a group called just that on Facebook.
I'd like to encourage you all to join it so those who already speak it can begin working on the outlines and so on in advance... and those who don't speak it, like me, can keep updated. :D
I'd gladly contribute to the Finnish course as a native speaker. I am also a photographer if additional reference photos are needed and I have studio equipment for recording audio. I really hope this course gets done as many of my friends are eager to learn Finnish and this would help them reach their goal. ^^P
I just approved you Kivi! Welcome!! &If you'd like to be a course contributor... please look at the top post by AndyCheeseman #4 :D
Any news on this? I feel the anger rise everytime I consider KLINGON is available before Finnish... Pretty sure there are more Finnish speakers and more Finnish-interested people out there than there are Trekkies. Anyway, isn't it time that language group (Finnic) is represented? There's no Estonian either. I'd like to learn Estonian, too.
Sadly, not yet. If you are on Facebook you are more than welcome to join. The group have been working on things on their own, though, as far as I know. The group have asked people from other languages how they managed to become successful.
We're hoping that something will happen sooner rather than later, but we are all optimistic about getting it on.
I think it's pretty much down to how many people you can get asking for it, and possibly how many Finnish organisations and groups will give us their verbal support. I have no idea how Klingon managed to do it though.
Breatheln and Peganmegan, I always have in mind that "Klingon" belongs, in every way, to Paramount Studios, Hollywood ( ! ) This "fad" will last just as long as "Star Trek" movies are made!---[En Esperanto] Mi preferas diri, "Ni laboru kaj esperu." (Let us work and hope.)
At least there is Hungarian from the same language family (Finno-Ugric). But hey, I have been waiting for Finnish, too.
Make sure to participate in the next language poll. The results of the last user poll show Finnish tied for 10th with Persian:
- Swedish=868 (added recently)
- Danish=308 (added recently)
- Ancient Greek=108
Luis' comment in the latest AMA states they're adding around 1 language per week.
We look for a few things: The number of qualified candidates to build the course. The number of people who want to learn the language. How easy it will be to build the course with our current tools. I want to add all languages, but we're not there yet. I should also say that each language we add still requires quite a bit of effort from our team so we're only adding about one per week. In a few months I'm hoping we'll have a truly scalable system that allows us to add hundreds of languages at once.
Duolingo already added Danish last week and Swedish the week before last; We could see Finnish entering the incubator in as few as 8 weeks if the Duolingo team follows the user poll for adding languages. I can't wait for more languages in the incubator!
I think more people need to read TL---'s post about ProjectFinnish and also read all of these inspiring and supportive posts that other amazing people have made! And if we all work together to move Finnish to the top, I'd think that that would make lots of people happy. Including TL---. :D
Thank You SavyLegg! I will become very, very happy if we get accepted to the incubator :D
150 upvotes since yesterday! According to Ptoro's post, that's more than the number who voted for Finnish in the last poll.
C'mon Duolingo, I need someone to start working on the course now, so it is ready to study ASAP. :D
How much Finnish do you know? Just wondering :) How much help would you personally get from a Finnish Duolingo course?
Almost none really. I am only on Chapter 4 of my textbook. I struggle to keep going with study on my own, so discovering Duolingo has been like magic for me, I am now flying through my Italian - well, except for the current lesson (future perfect) which is killing me. :/
Having Finnish on Duolingo would be awesome for me. Just having the 'streak' element, and other people's comments to read if I am stuck, and experience points to aim towards every day, really works for me. Plus the repetition aspect.
Once I finish my Italian tree I am planning on spending much more time concentrating on Finnish. I can't wait. :D
I lived in Finland for some time and am slowly losing my skills. I keep up with immersion techniques but would love to see Finnish on Duolingo!
FYI the Hungarian course (Uralic as well) started a year ago has interesting info in their first post: https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/hu/en/status
I just wrote to their contributor Abenhakan who replied they have "major issues" with their tree. His experience is that "the more distant the language is from English (German, Italian, French) with respect of grammar structure generally speaking, the difficulties exponentially increase."
There are probably very valuable insights to be gained from speaking more with the EN-HU team, and possibly from joining forces with them.
In this "Project Finnish!" thread, the following people said they applied to the incubator: TL---, maggiesoup, E-icegirl2, SadduSaddu, sannap, eino81, ndkoni, SuomenSusi, anavlot, eino81
Could contribute sporadically or only FI to EN: hdcanis, Patsyish, kivinelo
My advice to you, potential contributors, is to unite, talk to the EN-HU team to understand the precise difficulties they are facing, and state in new incubator "motivation letters" your willingness to learn from those difficulties and overcome them. (I can't personally contribute, I'm learning Finnish)
Good idea to speak with them about the experiences. By the way, I am a native HU speaker who studied the FI language :)
Then don't hesitate to apply to the incubator, explaining you have a big advantage :) especially if you are willing to cooperate with the EN-HU team to share ideas.
Good to know! Then the only thing I see to get things moving forward is to really better understanding these technical difficulties. As I'm a software engineer I'm curious myself about how the system works.
I suppose that counts as good news, but given that a Duolingo "soon" has been known to take years, I have to wonder what a Duolingo "eventually" implies. Maybe they'll get it done for Finland's 200th birthday :).
Whatever that "eventually" means, I have long given up on hope that the course will actually help me learn anything. By the time it is done, I might use it to review what I already know and move on.
widle, being patient, I was ecstatic! ... Then my heart dropped .... Now I am happy. (Because of this baaaad joke, I know it will happen!) We must "place this quote on Luis' doorstep every day!" We will be content when there ... is ... Suomi on Duolingo; this is all I know!
I don't think it would hurt the cause at least. Bombard them until they get sick of it and ban everyone who wants Finnish on Duolingo! :) Hehe
Godhuntress, Please see my second comment to erikiva, below!! ---Keneĉjo
From Luis' most recent AMA:
Japanese had been by far our most-requested course in Duolingo’s five-year history. It became clear that it made sense to launch the course because demand for it was so high. Every time we would post anything on social media, several people would immediately comment with, “What about Japanese?
Since Luis hasn't given a straight-ish answer on Finnish like he has with Japanese and Chinese, I suppose a bit more pressure wouldn't hurt, as long as it's done by more than one person.
erikiva, Once I know just what to do, it will be part of my daily routine, for: Suomi on Duolingo!!! Oh, yes! ---Keneĉjo
erikiva, twitter: @ChuckSmith ; (he is on Facebook, but we would each have to be friended by him!) I am tweeting Chuck: Chuck, I am in total support of Suomi on Duolingo. ---Keneĉjo And I shall tweet something to Chuck tomorrow! Do we, the many, like this?
erikiva, My comments, as inspired by you!, are now just above! Please consider my second comment (plan!) If you scroll up, you'll notice I've responded to two others of us. ---Keneĉjo
Great, I'll join in, maybe we can put it on the facebook group, to encourage people to leave messages to him and the duo account
Sorry if this is a stupid question but, why him? It says he's just the Duolingo Esperanto course creator...what about @LuisvonAhn
erikiva, Yes! and Yes! Can you put it on the Facebook group page? :) :) :) your collaborator and encouraged friend Keneĉjo (kenéchyo) P.S. brilliant!!! @LuisvonAhn (daily!) He speaks English, Spanish, and above-mid-level (B2) Portuguese....Erikva, I salute you! My dream? 100 "friendly" tweets a day. I've emailed Inari. Please freely email me! : kenecxjo (at) gmail.com
Just 10 days left till the 100th anniversary of Finland's independence and still nothing? This discussion is 3 years old, and folks still hoping? I don't understand it. Suppose, three years ago you were officially in a position to put the Finnish project in practice. Wouldn't you have already done something about it, rather than nothing? Wouldn't you have prioritized it over High Valyrian, at least? It seems there is simply no love for the North-Eastern shore of the Baltic Sea.
"Chin down, and towards new disappointments" -- a modern Finnish saying, which is of course tongue in cheek but still recognizably Finnish.
It was used this morning on BBC Radio 4's Start the Week which was all about Finland, and I think it will describe the feeling in this thread on 7 December.
Today I listened to the "BBC Radio 4 - Start the Week, Finland at 100". They said "Chins on chest..." I'm curious if it was changed by the radio talker, or it's just another version of the same saying. (They spoke of Tove Jansson but didn't mention Finnish architecture and architects at all.)
That was the program, indeed. It was the first time I'd heard this saying translated into English, and I think it was the British guy who had spent some time (but not actually lived in) Finland who used it. I assumed the people on the icebreaker had used it in English when talking with him and he'd picked it up from them. I guess it's just a different translation, but I prefer mine ;-) (and didn't even remember exactly how it had been translated in the program, just that I didn't like that translation).
There were some factual inaccuracies in that program (that Denmark has the largest population of the Nordics, the bit about Finland being the first country to give women the vote -- which was then corrected at the end, but the bit that is true is that Finland was the first country to grant women full suffrage), as well as some pretty horrible mangling of names... I have sometimes been amazed by the width of knowledge displayed by people on these programs, but let's just say I know recognize that some of that is just confidence and a passing familiarity, rather than actual knowledge. :-)
Nevertheless, it was an interesting program.
Andrius, On May 18th we received a "Yes" from the CEO of Duolingo. We want to know "When!" We campaigned, using twitter as a voting mechanism. Then, when there were two official holidays remaining on the calendar, All Saints (November 4th) and, as you declared, Suomi 100! ........... We began the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS, again tweeting daily. ............. About a week ago the Finnish flag appeared, draped around the DL owl❗️[If you click on "Remove ads" (something new), you'll see it!] We turned our attention directly toward the CEO (ex.@LuisVonAhn, I think our owl wants to teach #finnishonduolingo!) ***Andrius, Would you like to join our open group? : ..................................... https://www.facebook.com/groups/fiinnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
Thank You. I applied for this closed group on Facebook but I haven't been confirmed yet. As for Twitter, I'm not a user. I'll learn Finnish anyway but I'd very much like to see it on Duolingo.
Andrius, Thank you! Our Facebook group is open. So, you are a member! : https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ ***Please seeAzureflowers' note, now just below.
The group is not, in fact, open. Technically anyone can join but you just need to be manually accepted (we already get requests from all kinds of spam accounts as is, it would be a nightmare to moderate if it was all completely free game). I am one of the admins but lately I've been insanely busy so I haven't had time to go and check member requests regularly. I'll try to do that ASAP, sorry about the delay Andrius!
holy crap! This was posted 4 years ago?! I'm still hoping for Finnish to be put up...
Been watching from the sidelines for quite a while… and finally threw in my application to be a course contributor. Also stalking you on fb. Let’s make it happen, shall we? :)
I dreamed today that Duolingo had added a bunch of languages at once - no incubator, they were suddenly ready. And Finnish was one of them. I was somewhere with my family/friends and they wanted me to join them, but I said I couldn't, I had to check this out.
The interface actually showed three languages: apart from English and Finnish there was also Hungarian. I didn't know why and I wouldn't mind that much, but the application always read the sentence in all three languages in turn, which made it quite confusing. I decided I didn't need Hungarian after all and went to uncheck it.
...And then you woke to the nightmare which is the reality that Duolingo actually has no Finnish course :P
Hey! My brother and I are both bilingual English and Finnish speakers raised in Finland and Canada. We both have extensive translation and simultaneous interpreting experience. Hit us up if this takes off! We'd be happy to contribute.
I too keep looking for Finnish. I don't understand what the hold-up is, given the number both of willing learners and course contributors. Duolingo, hear our cry!
playfrog, We have been heard by the founder of Duolingo during a recent AMA, during which we received a "Yes." Of course we began thinking, "When?" So we are tweeting to @LuisVonAhn [anything positive, for example: I love #finnishonduolingo!] ... and we can tweet as often as we like! Thus we encourage ... and give a "show of hands!"
Haven't volunteered in the incubator so far because long-term planning is always a bit of a problem, I didn't want to commit myself to anything that might or might not happen some month or year...
But if it gets into the incubator at some point and I have a bit of extra time in my hands, I could throw some work there (and hang around commenting as a native once it goes public).
It's okay! You can send the application to Duolingo, and if (once) it gets accepted you can try it out. If you don't like it, you can always leave :) But thank you for the support!
annika_a and sannap are two of the people who also applied to the Finnish for English speakers course. Hope they notice this discussion :D
Heh, it was a pure coincidence that I happened to look at the Duolingo Discussion today and see this topic. Or maybe it was destiny, who knows :)
Can't you post them a link on their 'activity stream'?
And can you change your photo to yourself or an avatar soon please? I keep wondering who the faceless person is on my list. ;)
Yeah, I actually posted a message on Annika's "activity stream". Maybe soon, once I find a nice picture of something, I will probably change it :D
I really want to learn Finnish! It is a beautiful language and I have quite a few friends I could practice on! Please hurry!
You have no idea how hard it is to learn it on memrise!
Just out of curiosity: Have you tried many of the courses on Memrise? My spouse tried one of the "3000 words" ones, but I think his motivation is failing him... Is there maybe a better one available on there, in your opinion?
That is the one I tried too, I haven;t tried any others, and I have lots of motiviation to learn it, but memrise kills motivation, I havent practiced in ages :(
Ah, too bad... :-( Thanks for replying.
I love Memrise for French verb conjugations, it's just the thing for having 3 minutes spare and just wanting to drill in a few easily defined nuggets of information. But it is true that it is less apt at trying to teach you for example vocabulary, as there is only one correct answer (as opposed to in Duolingo), which drives at least me crazy... As with Duolingo, the Android app lets you off much more easily than the computer version, so I tend to practice on the app first ...
If we get accepted, we will try to make it carefully and as good as possible, but still with a good pace :)
Please make this happen!! Finnish is such an interesting language and the Finnish people whom I've met have all been fabulous!! I'd love to learn jsut a bit as a party trick. Can't imagine it would be popular more than that - Finns' level of English (and Swedish, and German, and Spanish, and Italian...) is very impressive.
Please, please add Finnish!! I asked long ago already for Russian, Swedish and Finnish. Now Russian is expected to be released in beta in Mar 2015, Swedish, that was kicked off much later, is expected already in August 2014, even though it has only half as many contributors than Russian (I wonder - does it mean that Swedish is so much easier? :o). Now I keep my fingers crossed for Finnish. I don't mind whether is it English for Finnish speakers or Finnish for English speakers, any Finnish course would do. Please, please add Finnish!!
I too would like to add my voice to the chorus for "Finnish please!" :d. I am taking the casually immersive route of learning by translating song lyrics as best I can by such bands as Indica or Haloo Helsinki :). A facility of more formalised tutelage via Duolingo would be wonderful.
I think I might be good in proofreading and error spotting. I do not have much time to spend for contributing for the Finnish course, though.
I am currently learning Finnish by myself and having a duolingo course would be more than amazing! :)
Ehdottomasti! I am presently using one of the courses over on Memrise, Thors_Daughter. It's quite useful in terms of increasing my memorised vocabulary tho' I am in need of some direction when it comes to grammar :o.
I am also using Memrise for vocabulary and it's very, very useful indeed. ;) As for grammar, I bought some book and I'm currently trying to get the hang of it.
I also use Memrise brushing up my Finnish but would prefer Duolingo. Is there any info when they may start developing a Finnish course? I don't mind much if it would be English for Finnish speakers. Currently I am studying English for Russian speakers to brush up my Russian, ant it is very effective!
Same here, I just moved to Helsinki, I'm learning Finnish and a Duolingo course is really lacking! For now besides bi-weekly classes based on Suomen Mestari, I mostly use Memrise and sometimes Bliubliu (much less as it has no smartphone app).
I also sent my application today. Even I am not a native speaker, I use Finnish in my everyday work. I hope, we can build a Finnish course for the learners. Muuten, olen kotoisin Unkarista...
Finnish is an amazing language! Maybe I think so because I've never experienced a language so unusual and challenging. At the moment, I'm studying in Tampere, Finland, and I was just searching for Suomi in Duolingo when I came across this topic. Please, add Suomi!
Plus one for Finnish course. Would be warmly welcome. I am working at the university (Aalto), were recently talking at the language course right about duolingo. Many were saying that having a Finnish course would be of great help.
Finnish course for english speakers (or those fluent in english) and for those speaking russian. There are lots of russian speaking in Finland, plus taking into account tourists due to the border with Russia and Estonia.
Do you think it would be possible to get the university to cooperate with Duolingo somehow, make it a bit more official than just a bunch of volunteers? I think it could help in persuading Duolingo to add the course.
Is there anything one can do to help with moving on? I only see the standard application form, but as far as I got it, there are many people who applied already as contributors. Is there any particular known reason why finnish course has no go?
Nope, nothing definite. There was a (possibly off-hand) comment from a staff member (I don't know which one) years ago about Duolingo not seeing enough interest for a Finnish course, but that may or may not mean anything or be relevant anymore.
The earlier technical challenges with building a Finnish course (developing the Incubator so that it can handle agglutinative languages) should have been resolved during the building of the Turkish and Hungarian courses.
So no one knows, really. Many people have indeed applied already.
Wholeheartedly agreeing with widle here!
I (unfortunately) don't have any affiliation with Duolingo, but would gladly come and tell the powers that be at Aalto University how learning on Duolingo works based on my 3+ years of experience using it, if that could be of any help in getting some kind of serious cooperation proposal made.
Finnish is my mother tongue and I graduated with English as my major. I would be interested in contributing to this course! Just let me know if I can help :)
2000! Should we celebrate somehow or do we just continue waiting for the staff to take notice?
Cool! I noticed it was 1999 earlier today.
I can't think of any good way of telling the staff, though. If they want to know, they know about the popularity of this post already. If they don't, we can't really make them.
No, upvotes. This discussion used to have lots more upvotes than it does now, it lost them for some reason overnight.
The staff probably don't pay attention to anything anymore, but if they were interested, they could look at the upvotes.
widle, I am upvoting you and all of us ! I am searching my brain for a new strategy : I feel like simply sending the the flag of Suomi to @duolingo ... daily. I think I'll start today !
Angela, Would you like to join our ten-day campaign, leading up to Finland's Centennial of Independence, December 6th? .................. We are tweeting to: @duolingo (ex. I am crossing my fingers for #finnishonduolingo!)
All the upvotes are gone.
That moaning you hear is me.
This is just horrifying...
Just a few days ago you mentioned Finns steering themselves bravely towards new disappointments. I think it's a practical psychological approach: you won't be whining and weeping so much if something turns bad, however good occurrences should surprise you and make you much happier.
Andrius, Whoever said this is not well. We have a "Yes ... eventually. I don't think DL knows just when exactly yet; its a profit-making company, now with advertisements.
Annika, I have always highly valued whatever you have to say. I shall be going through the forum, and making any positive comment green, just as previously.
It's around a quarter past 8 pm GMT, and I confirm that the page shows now only 7 upvotes ("likes") for the initial top statement (posted by TL--- three years ago), although it still indicates the value of 2151 lingots. Are all the old upvotes deleted?
Woof., I shall be going through them, making any positive comment green, as previously.
I'm so amazed over that more than 140 people so far have up voted this thread! A big thank you to all of you out there :-)
Nowhere, unfortunately. It only exists in our dreams. And as the butt of Luis' jokes on Reddit (he replied to a particularly well-argued question about how courses are picked, using Finnish as an example, with "I ask my mom. She's a nice lady, but doesn't like Finnish."). Classy.
annika, Luis is from Guatemala, and by now has, likely, a joking, or kidding, sense of humor. By joking around --twice!!, in particular, about Finnish, he is singling it out ( ! )
Nah, I wouldn't say he's singling it out as much as being forced to say something on account of taking part in an Ask Me Anything.
But I admire your optimism. :-)
PERCE_NEIGE, We have firmly planted suomi in the mind of the genius professor, and business person, who is constantly figuring things out ( ! )
I would love to learn Finnish. I got some finish blood but only can very few words.
I was an exchange student in Finland last year - wonderful language but very hard grammar. ;D It would be great to learn more Finnish instead of forgetting my language skills slowly because I hardly have to use them anymore (but I'm still watching some childrens movies in Finnish) ^^
This thread is probably pretty dead by now, but I submitted my application to help! I do not know if it will be accepted, but hopefully they see that many people want this course to happen.
I would love to help. I've been learning Finnish for 6 or 7 years now, and I'm sure I could contribute. I'd love to see this happen! I applied only a couple of days after joining Duolingo actually.
Yay! I also want to take Finnish. I started with textbooks and making myself flashcards, but really welcome another more fun method! Thank you!
I just got involved with this website, but I would REALLY love to see a Finnish course here. It's the most beautiful language I've encountered in all my travels around Europe, and since I go there every winter time it would be great to get a handle on the language... it's so tricky!
Please do it!! You'll earn my life-long admiration. I've been waiting for a Finnish course like this for a long time.
Oh boy, this is what I was trying to encourage Finnish folks to start. I would love to learn Finnish, have have visited Finland once and would love to go back. Love the forests there :) Hope you folks get the project..
How to Swear in Finnish (By children) My co-worker found this most amusing) http://youtu.be/hmjwgB4Gsjc
I am Finnish fan too. I am studying Finnish myself but I wish I can do it by Duolingo, because it is a difficult language and do not find many material for studying it on internet. Please please. I love Finnish! <3
Please, do start a Finnish course. I would very much like to study Finnish (I already am studying it, in fact, and I was extremely disappointed when I learnt that Duolingo has no Finnish course to offer)!
Ha rajtam áll, lesz :) De nem tudom, elfogadják-e a jelentkezésem. Mindenesetre jó pár év finn tanulás és aktív használat után, és jó pár duolingo kurzus után szívesen megcsinálnám, vagy besegítenék a csapatnak.
I am new to Duolingo and a huge Finland-Fan, so to speak. How can I help making this a real thing?
I have been attempting this for over a year! I have sent in 2 applications already
Olet suomalainen ? Luuletko , että minun pitäisi lähettää toiseen ja olet lähettänyt yksi ?
Mielestäni yksi hakemus pitäisi riittää, toista ei tarvinne - yhden olen itsekin lähettänyt. Olet ilmeisesti sinäkin suomalainen? Onko sulla espanja opiskelu kuinka tapetilla?
Kyllä minä olen suomalainen ja kyllä olen opetella puhumaan espanjaa. Pidän siitä, koska tiedän, että jotkut espanjalaiset. Entä sinä?
Oletat?! Siis, yritän kysyä, että mikä on äidinkielesi? Suomi, englanti, espanja vaiko joku muu?
Asun Suomessa ja minä kasvoin täällä niin joo . Se on niin kiva tavatamukava ihminen täällä . Jotkut ihmiset ovat antaneet minulle paskaa . :(
Hello TL--- Could you give us an update on the Project Finnish? Has it been accepted, has the Project got off the ground? Thanks
Nope, I have heard nothing from Duolingo. They will most likely add Norwegian next. They will probably add Finnish when they have the TTS and other stuff ready. But they have been releasing new languages fairly often, so maybe this year, maybe next year. No one really knows when a new language is being released. But I will keep my fingers crossed ;)
Finnish is definitely something I'd love to learn on duolingo! Such a magnificently beautiful language (and it would complete the Nordic set of languages once Norway is ready too!)
We'd still need Icelandic for that, too. And then there are the non-national Nordic languages like Sami and Faroese...
is it possible that someone with a connection to a finnish university might encourage a faculty member to encourage graduate students to take on this project as part of study in english?
I would love a Finnish course. My ancestors came from Finland and I'm fascinated with the idea of learning it some day.
I would be very interested to learn Finnish via Duolingo, I have tried with other methods but as I find Finnish is (for English native speakers) quite a complex and broad language that Duolingo would be a great way to get a foothold in it! So here's hoping your application gets accepted, Kiitos paljon!
Old thread or not, I'd be very interested in contributing to the Finnish courses. I've only applied for the English for Finns course since I didn't think that Finnish for English speakers would have a prayer, but after browsing the forums and seeing that quite a few people are actually looking to learn my slightly psychotic native language I'm sending my application for that as well.
You don't need to, the application should work for both directions.
And thanks for applying!
Well, to be precise, Duolingo itself is not and will not be making any progress. They just have to decide that it's time to start, and select the team leaders. The real work and progress will be up to the volunteers.
I'm Finnish (native, too) and I've already applied to be a contributor to the Finnish project once it emerges.
I can give it a try and teach Finnish to someone over the internet if a volunteer appears. Just message me or so.
Go Suomi !!!
But don't forget one thing....Sisu. They don't give up and so will fans of that language do too :)
I live in Sweden and since Finnish is a huge language here (statistically, not in reality since I live in Gothenburg - not so many Finnish speakers here) so I feel like I have to learn it. I have been studying it on and off for some time, and I find it pretty interesting. I hope that Duolingo notices the thread and decides to include Finnish in the Incubator. That would definitely be a great day :)
Project Finnish is the 7th most popular discussion in DuoLingo Forum! Let us make it happen! :) Follow, upvote and share! :)
And this discussion is now number 4 among the most upvoted discussions in the Duolingo topic ever.
Please, please make this happen! Finnish was the first language I looked for on duolingo, so disappointed that it wasn't here!!
Okay, so... There are MANY people wanting to contribute to this course, probably just as capable as the other course contributors. Norwegian, for instance, has approximately the same amount of native speakers and there's a course for that. It's obviously a lot easier to teach and learn, but still. There's bloody Klingon, but Finnish doesn't get accepted? I mean, I know I'm a little aggressive in nature, but... Why do the people at Duolingo hate Finnish so much?! I bet there will be courses for fluent Dothraki and Morse code before Finnish.
I feel the same! An imaginary language made into a course before an entire language group finally gets representation... this is just not acceptable.
Tarvitsen suomi Duolingossa. I would use this site so much more if it had Finnish!
:D Anyway, if you use the verb "tarvita", the thing you will "need" will be in Accusative case (-n), e.g:
- tarvitsen suomen kielen Duolingossa - I need the Finnish language on Duolingo
- tarvitsen maidon - I need milk
- tarvitsen kirjan - I need a book
Or, at least, that was taught to me :)
I don't think there is a single "accusative verb" (as opposed to partitive verbs which always take partitive) though I'm not going to go through every verb to make sure. So I would say the highly simplified accusative = the, partitive = a rule still applies.
I think that objectively Finnish should be the next language to be admitted to the incubator, unless there are any major non-European languages that are ready to be developed. I really miss a Finnish course on Duolingo, it's on the top of my list together with Croatian or Serbian. So you have my full support! Unfortunately the only way in which I can support you is to promise that I will be among the first students ;) Good luck to your initiative!
Finnish language is just wonderful, I would love to learn it! There is some magic in all Scandinavian languages, they sound like a spell even when a peson just greets you a good day =) I've started Swedish course here, but Finnish is my true love. What is the news? Is this course going to happen soon?
I doubt it will happen anytime soon, Duolingo seem to be rather focused on other things at the moment, like the flashcard thingy and such.
For those of us who would like to go to Finland with more than "kiitos", "en puhu suomea" and a few veriations on "no niin" I hope you can find enough people to put a course together. It is their 100th anniversary year, any chance of a beta version for the 6th December? ;)
Regrettably, Henryis, this discussion has continued for two years without even an indication from Duolingo itself that they are willing to devote the required resources to the development of a Finnish course, notwithstanding that it will certainly be a very popular one. Judging by the experience of the Duolingo course for Esperanto — which is far more regular than any natural language and, hence, much simpler to write a course for — you should expect that a course, if it were started today, would not be ready for beta testing until 18 months from now, and not be an official working release for another year after that.
Several courses have gone to beta in less than 10 months, the record being less than 3. That was Danish so you can argue that it's easier and faster to make a course for a grammatically similar language. Team Japanese have claimed they are able to finish in 2-3 months because they prepared all the words and some sentences beforehand (and because they only have 587 words). I understand there is something similar going on with Finnish so if the Japanese are onto something and the Finns truly are as well prepared, an Independence Day launch is not completely impossible even with a longer tree.
The Finnish Govenment have been trying to get the Finnish people to give up some free time towork on many community projects this year under the theme of "Togetherness" to celebrate the 100th anniversary. Perhaps if Duolingo dropped a couple of ads on Finnish internet sites to create something lasting that will bring people together. It would be a good advertising point for Duolingo.
There is no lack of volunteering Finns, both those part of a group who have already started planning things using Google Docs and others...
Why hasn't there been any progress in adding Finnish? The interest is clearly there.
I have also sent my contribution application to Duolingo, and would like to contribute in the project if it's set up at some point. I was actually quite surprised not to find Finnish in any of the incubation phases even.
I used to learn Finnish. It's very beatifull language. Unfortunatelly I haven't been in Finnland for about ten years and almost forgot everything. I hope this project will start soon!
I would be so happy to study Finnish here on Duolingo. One of my parents is from Finland but we never spoke it at home. Indeed, my longets conversation with my grandfather was "Do you speak english?", "No". It would be appreciated to be able to reconnect a bit with my Finnish heritage.
Currently studying Finnish on Memrise and I can also recommend the podcast below for just listening to slow and clearly spoken finnish. Having listened to quite a bit of finnish as a child I can hear when words begin and end. The sound of finnish feels like home, I just don't understand a single word of it.
Keeping fingers crossed that there will be a Duolingo-course sometime in the not to distant future.
That's awesome! Yeah I have distant family in Helsinki, and I always thought it'd be cool to at least know the basics of the language... plus it is a fun challenge I suppose, with it considered one of the hardest languages to learn and all
SilKit, We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! : https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
Finnish on Duolingo FB Group (~2k members) https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/
List of Willing Contributors (~70 contributors) http://bit.ly/FinnishOnDuolingoQuestionnaireResults
(Correct as of Nov 2017)
All the upvotes are gone? Hmmmm a sign of the apocalypse or a sign of Finnish being approved? Perhaps the duolingo team is in the process of adding Finnish? O_o finnish conspiracy theories on duolingo
How popular Finnish could be, were it offered on Duolingo? No one knows it for sure, however I'd like to suggest it could be roughly approximated in comparative terms by looking at the statistics of any other global online teaching service that covers a variety of languages that includes Finnish. So I took a look at the numbers of YouTube subscribers to the different language channels offered by Innovative Language, and then I compared the number of their Finnish channel subscribers to those subscribed on their other channels of the languages offered also or just being “hatched” by Duolingo. And here's something positive this “indicator” has shown among these languages: Finnish beats in popularity Hungarian, Norwegian, Danish, Czech, Romanian, Swahili, Vietnamese, and Indonesian.
Not at all. I envy your level number of Swedish. P:S. It's Christmas week - get 5 lingots :)
Didn't this post have more than 2000 votes?! Have a similar problem on the post for Georgian , lost 700 votes.
It's suspicious that posts which meant to be demonstrative of what people want, and Duolingo says we consider what people want  are losing votes. Very suspicious :D
Yes, it did. There were more posts like this that suddenly dropped to zero a few months ago.
Yes, they were. But I'm not sure it means anything - there are hardly any other posts this old with this many votes that anyone monitors closely enough to notice.
I'm a native Finnish speaker who is currently studying Finnish and I would like to contribute to making this happen! When will Duolingo get on with it?!
Noone knows when. If you're willing to contribute, please apply in the incubator, but then you can't do anything else but wait, unfortunately.
Well guys! It’s Happened! It’s now in the incubator! We await contributors!
Tokien was a huuuge Finnish fan. He described studying Finnish as, "...like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.” I wish you all the best of luck in assembling your team! I'll forward to watching your progress in the incubator (I'm an incubator addict...I can't stop clicking on it for the latest day-by-day progress!) ;)
Where did you get that quote? I remember reading it in a book titled In the Land of Invented Languages (it was a big part of his Elvish languages, and a major motivation for writing The Lord of the Rings), but I haven't heard it anywhere else.
‘In the summer vacation of 1912 Tolkien went into camp for a fortnight with King Edward’s Horse, a territorial cavalry regiment in which he had recently enrolled. He enjoyed the experience of galloping across the Kentish plains — the camp was near Folkestone — but it was a wet and windy fortnight, and the tents were often blown down in the night. This taste of life on horseback and under canvas was enough for him, and he resigned from the regiment after a few months. When the camp had concluded, he went on a walking holiday in Berkshire, sketching the villages and climbing the downs. And then, all too soon, his first year as an undergraduate was over. . . .
‘At about this time he discovered Finnish. He had hoped to acquire some knowledge of the language ever since he had read the Kalevala in an English translation, and now in Exeter College library he found a Finnish grammar. With its aid he began an assault on the original language of the poems. He said afterwards: “It was like discovering a wine-cellar filled with bottles of amazing wine, of a kind and flavour never tasted before. It quite intoxicated me.”
‘He never learned Finnish well enough to do more than work through part of the original Kalevala, but the effect on his language-inventing was fundamental and remarkable. He abandoned neo-Gothic and began to create a private language that was heavily influenced by Finnish. This was the language that would eventually emerge in his stories as “Quenya” or High-elven. That would not happen for many years; yet already a seed of what was to comes was germinating in his mind. He read a paper on the Kalevala to a college society, and in it began to talk about the importance of the type of mythology found in the Finnish poems. “These mythological ballads,” he said, “are full of that very primitive undergrowth that the literature of Europe has on the whole been steadily cutting and reducing for many centuries with different and earlier completeness among different people.” And he added: “I would that we had more of it left — something go the same sort that belonged to the English.” An exciting notion; and perhaps he was already thinking of creating that mythology for England himself.’
— Humphrey Carpenter, J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography, pp. 66–67. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2014, 304 pages. ISBN 9780547524429.
"The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" by Humphrey Carpenter. It's his letter to W. H. Auden. You can find a copy of the book on Amazon here:
I see you have been learning Welsh! If it isn't too random, would you please say a few lines in Welsh? I am a native and I would love it if you would.
Are you a native speaker? If so you might laugh at: Achub y morfilod!! You've probably heard that awkward pun before though... ;)
swingbeatnik, Ĉu interesas vin lerni la finnan pere de Duolingo? Se jes, havas mi novaĵon tre interesan por vi!
Hello TL---, how are things going? Has Duolingo answered to you? I sent my application today, hopefully someone answers.
Nope, no one has answered yet. But when they decide to start it, they will send an answer to all who have applied for the course :)
I think they actually only send an email to those they have chosen (so probably two moderators) first, and then another one to those that certainly won't be chosen. If you are good, but maybe not quite good enough to be picked as a moderator or contributor just yet, you'll still be in limbo as they won't want to turn you down either.
There was even someone the other day (who had applied for an already existing course, I think), who had gotten the "not thanks" email first, and then only a little later the "yes please" email...
I saw a joke about the conjugations in Finnish here in Duolingo and also there are Finnish songs I really love and I would really love to learn the language! :)
Finnish would be such an amazing language to be added to Duolingo and so deserving! The language is incredibly unique (and grammatically crazy!), but just the fact that it is in its own language family with only Estonian and Hungarian made me want to study it. Plus, Finns are some of the kindest people I have ever met!
For people that would want to know: THERE IS A FINNISH IMMERSION CAMP in Minnesota called Salolampi. It's located in the Northwoods of Minnesota and is an immersion camp for ages 7-18, as well as having programming for adult immersion. It is a program of Concordia Language Villages (which has been around for over 50 years and is internationally recognized).
CLV offers programs in 15 languages: German, French, Spanish, Norwegian, Russian, Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, English, Italian, Arabic, and Portuguese (in the order the camps were created) **all of the languages currently offered on Duolingo except for Dutch, Irish, Turkish, and Esperanto)
There are actually more languages in the same family as Finnish. The Sami languages along with many of the languages of the indigenous Russian tribes are all Uralic. However, few Uralic languages are widely spoken. It's certainly not a common family.
A few Uralic languages are spoken widely, so after Hungarian, I hope we will see the Finnish and Estonian on Duolingo. I myself would be happy to see here also Saami or Udmurt, but if they would be here on Duolngo, that would mean that other 100-200 languages are also put there. I studied Saami and Udmurt and I visited their lands in 2003 and 2005.
Really? Wow, that's really cool!! And yeah, there are a lot of Sami languages.
Finnish actually isn't a Uralic language, it is in its own branch of languages called Finno-Ugric (Finnish and Hungarian).
Actually it is indeed an Uralic language. It has two main branches: Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic. Thst is true, that Finnish belongs to the FU branch.
Great idea, Finnish is something i have wanted to learn since college, but here in Iceland there aren´t any Finn lessons
It's lovely to see how many people here are interested in Finnish! I'm going to apply as a course contributor soon, too ;) (even though I'm sure that the course's slow progress isn't depending on the lack of contributors: many seem to be interested in this!)
Hei! Any update on this? I have been teaching myself Finnish on and off for a few years now, but I have struggled because I have had nobody to practice with! It would be incredible to get a Suomi Dual Lingo :D
Still no news. :( I'm learning by myself too, through Memrise and other resources.
Ahh, that's brilliant! :) I've been trying to teach myself with the Suomi Mestari textbooks, but they can be quite hard to follow out of class. I used to go to a Suomikoulu on Saturdays, but then moved away and couldn't find another nearby!
There's a whole group on Facebook full of people wanting to learn the Finnish language in Duolingo, and they all want to do their best to help this course come to life! Anyone reading this, feel free to join, just look up "Finnish on Duolingo!" :P
Yeah, let's make this happen! I submitted a request to become a course contributor in October. I'm more than ready to finally start helping make the course.
I am really excited to be an incubator, because I truely love my mother language (Finnish) and I have a boyfriend outside of Finland. It would be really nice for him and for all the other people who are brave enough to start learning Finnish, if Duolingo would start the project Finnish for English speakers!
I hope to see this course soon! Any comments from Duolingo staff about this?
Join, upvote and share! :) I was wondering this morning OPISKELISINKOHAN? ;) Please support our aim to bring Finnish language to Duolingo by upvoting this discussion. Invite and share the discussion with your friends too: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3377185 Szeretem a magyart. I love English. Ich liebe Deutsch. Amo italiano. <3 I could learn Klingon as well but not Finnish? Why? Campaign for Finnish on Duolingo! Kampanja opiskella suomeakin! ...and join the facebook group for further plans https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/
Really interested in learning Finnish on Duolingo. I expect to go to Finland this August for my studies and proficiency in Finnish should help me a lot in finding a part-time job.
Finnish! Fantastic! I have wanted to learn finnish for a while but can't find any good resources. Also, is there a major difference between colloquial and "strict" finnish? Ive heard that they are mutually intelligible, but have trouble understanding each other. Is that really the case? Also, has anyone here heard of the webcomic Stand Still, Stay Silent? It's created by a Finnish woman Minna Sundberg (who is also a language lover). The comic itself is in english, but the story is a weird mix of post-apocalyptic and norse/finnish mythology. Its really incredible! There are a few magic incantations in Finnish, and a bit of swedish thrown in.
I have been studying Finnish for a while and worked and studied in Finland for a couple of months in Helsinki and in Rovaniemi and I can say I could make myself easily understood and I could understand most of the things. OK people probably tried to speak to me nicely as to a foreigner but it wasn't so bad. There are parts of Finland where the dialects are more difficult but I guess you would get used to it if you lived there. Thanks for the SSSS tip, I have never heard of it, I will check it out! :)
Thanks, I've been searching for an answer for waaayyy too long and putting off actually learning, agh. SSSS Is pretty fantastic, and really motivates me to keep learning both Finnish and Norwegian.
I've signed up as a volunteer long time ago. Maybe twice by accident. Sit and wait, mkay.
You may have seen that UNHCR Northern Europe is starting a Flashcard project in conjunction with Duolingo. We need Finnish speakers to help us translate basic words. You can read more about the project here.
If you have any comments, please response in the thread I linked. That way this thread can focus on the Finnish language and not get distracted by the project!
Looking forward to working with you,
David (UNHCR Northern Europe).
It would be awesome if Duolingo would offer Finnish. As one of the most difficult languages in the world, especially for people who have a Germanic rooted language as their native tongue, I notice free online education for it is nowhere near sufficient.
Since I am only studying Finnish for about 1 year with the tools that are available to me I am still a novice, but it is clear that the language has a very strong grammatical foundation. A foundation which you cannot learn on e.g. Memrise or other services which focus on vocabulary.
I was in Finland last year but unfortunately I couldn't know the culture more deeply since I was there only for two days and a half, and I think learning the language will help me to know better their interesting culture by the next time I go there. I have used other apps to learn Finnish before, and also other languages, but none of them are as effective as Duolingo, and if they are, they are too expensive. It would be nice if you let people like me have better access to it ^_^
Then I say upvote this post. The more upvotes it gets, the more Duolingo staff will realize that there's a demand for this language. I mean, it already has a thousand but another one couldn't hurt!!
Natalia, I hope that any support I give Inari will lead to this well deserved victory!
I am relatively new here, and this is my first comment. I am very interested in learning Finnish! I am of Finnish descent and want to visit Finland someday. I am very frustrated with myself that I didn't try to learn Finnish while my grandparents were still alive, as not only would they have been an amazing resource for learning, but it would have allowed me to get to know them better. Finnish is my dad's first language too, but he had to learn English when he started school here in Canada and he has forgotten Finnish except for a few words. I would be very happy if I could learn Finnish on Duolingo!
I can't wait until Finnish is added (I hope it is at least)! But also I think Duolingo should add a patch that on discussions like this, it would not load the entire page but load it when you scroll down. On my super computer it took like 3 years to load the page and its like 2 lightyears long! XD
I'd love for there to be a Finnish course on Duolingo! My family is Finnish, but I never learned growing up, so it'd be really cool to be able to speak with them!
I wish to learn Finish to, it's such a beautiful sounding language! If it gets added before I'm done with my German tree I might just decide to put Swedish on the back burner, which is something that I won't do for any other language because I am determined to learn it.
I would really love to see the course become a reality - I listen to quite a bit of Finnish metal (started with Nightwish, quickly found others), so that is definitely something I'd want to learn!
I would love to learn Finnish. My ancestors are from Finland, though my father never spoke it. I have an ancestor's diary from the early 1900's entirely in Finnish. It would be nice to be able to read it some day.
There are some pretty dedicated people here. I've been scrolling through this thread and I've noticed how many languages that you guys have put your time into, and those who have been here and willing to contribute to the Finnish course for at least two years now. That's really some dedication and I think that it's admirable... I just hope that Duolingo sees that soon enough. I mean I get the complications, but other languages have had those too, and if they can get past them then the Finnish course could too in time.
GREAT IDEA!! both sides of my fam are relatively finnish! my grandpa on one side and my grandma on the other are the last in line to speak finnish, :( Got to continue the generation, close up the gap!
I would love to learn some Finnish! One of my best friends is from Finland and her kids are learning Finnish. Would be fun to learn with them and even read some books to them in Finnish. I'm sure she would be happy to contribute to the language on DuoLinguo! (While I watch the kids of course.)
I'm sorry, but there's the option to learn Klingon and not a 'real' language...Finnish. I think Duolingo needs to sort out it's priorities because this is plain wrong.
Lee, I have noticed that Klingon remains ( ! ) at about 33% hatching; I always keep in mind that Paramount Movie Studios owns it.
It's also worth noting that the Klingon language is included as part of a copyright lawsuit against Alec Peters & Ares' Studios from CBS & Paramount at the moment, so I'm sure Duolingo is hesitating until that verdict arrives.
I'd actually pay a monthly fee for a decent Finnish course and might not be the only one so doubt it is about money, all the courses are free, what do they get from fad languages people lose interest in after a couple of months?
erikiva, I agree! [There is--I just checked again-- one, yes, fad "language" shown by DL. What is its background, progress and plan? The "language," to which I refer, is a commercial, language; its purpose is too make money. It was in the incubator at 33% for years, recently 34%, now 35%, with planned hatching in August!? I think we know its name, so why mention it?]
Let us do everything we can for Suomi on DL!! ---Keneĉjo
Lee, I believe that any commercially constructed language will remain... in the 'incubator shell.' So, I might equate this with a trailer for a new Star Trek movie, which, in and of itself, fuels enthusiasm. Therefore, it is also my belief that "Klingon" will be a fad (hobby) as long as Paramount Pictures can keep creating Star Trek movies. I have two friends that enjoy exchanging phrases in this "commercial vehicle." I smile.
I want this course on Duolingo so bad! I would learn much faster than just reading words and giving translation... I want to be able to write sentences in Finnish... I'll support this project as long as I have to :)
Are you a contributor for this course? If so, I can only say paljon kiitoksia!
Asorel, as an "esperantisto," I worked with Inari in an attempt to influence those whom I thought were in a position to help the cause for Suomi on Duolingo. ["Ni laboru kaj esperu."/ Let us work and hope.] ---Keneĉjo
I'm half Finnish and have visited my family there 2 times a year my whole life, but I still can't speak the language. Please, I HAVE TO LEARN! I want this course so bad, I really hope it'll come soon!
I would love to learn Finnish! It looks difficult from what I've seen, but it would be so interesting.
My husband has Finnish origins and we both would love to learn the language.
Just wanted to add my support for Finnish being added to Duolingo! It seems a disappointment to me that courses in Klingon and Gaulish exist, but not Finnish.
I completely agree. I cannot believe that there is higher demand for Klingon than Finnish! Somebody seems to have agenda or personal preference and ignore the public opinion and demand :(
Cris, When I see a comment regarding "Klingon" I check the incubator. After many, many, many months at 33% hatching, I see a 'wiggle' in the hatching (?) shell to ...34%. Are we of Project Suomi actually concerned about Paramount Studio's commercial fad? [or perhaps DL's need to appear "cool" (attractive) to (young) people? I smile. I am quite serious about Suomi incubating, hatching, launching in beta and finishing, all vibrantly, on Duolingo!!! ---Keneĉjo
There is no Gaulish course as far as I am aware, this would be quite impossible. But yea, we want Finnish!
Please Duolingo offer Finnish, being of Finnish ancestry I am frusted by the lack of resources available for Finnish. If Duolingo would offer it, I would be super excited.
I'm sad to see so little response from Duolingo when it comes to a Finnish course. However, I've found a very interesting project done by Mihalis Eleftheriou called Language Transfer (http://www.languagetransfer.org/). He has a Patreon and gives people one vote per dollar for deciding which languages he will create courses for.
Since having completed his Spanish course (which is surprisingly good), I've donated a dollar a month to his Patreon and been voting for Finnish every time. I urge you to do the same, so we can get more Finnish study material!
Don Alonzo, (On May 18th we received a 'Yes' from the CEO of DL) We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
scarcerer, We have received a "Yes, eventually." We want to speed up the "When?" This is the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS. We are tweeting daily! Please join our group's page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
Godhuntress, Please use this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
Godhuntress, We have struggled! Can you go to twitter, and tweet: @duolingo ... for 100 years of independence, a place for #finnishonduolingo #Suomi100 [I am tweeting daily,] This until Suomi 100. We got a "Yes, eventually" from DL on May 18th. Would you agree that this is the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS? (P.S. Someone in the States was having the same problem. P.P.S. I am happy to see you!
John, Please use this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
john, (This is a public group, and I'm in the U.S. ! ) ... How about (Facebook) / * Twitter? ......Facebook: https://facebook.com/duolingo/ ***Twitter: @duolingo ... for 100 years of independence, a place for #finnish on duolingo #Suomi 100. [I am tweeting this daily], this until Suomi100, December 6th !
I can get to the DuoLingo FB page. Twitter, etc. Just can't get to your DuolingoFinnish FB page. Apparently others can't either. I bet you had a typo. Is it really: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/
John, Please use this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
The URL for the Facebook group is... https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/
As a native Finnish speaker living in Finland I meet a lot of foreign people who find it hard to learn Finnish. And being able to speak the language would help them to have a fuller and easier life in Finland. A Duolingo course would certainly help learning and I personally would love to contribute. Toivottavasti suomi saadaan Duolingoon!
As an american looking to study finnish I think it is hard because its very "weird" looking for lack of better words. With swedish there are english words and both languages are Germanic. Finnish comes from the same roots as Russian and Polish (I believe, may be incorrect) which is why it's difficult to learn. For someone who knows nothing of Nordic languages the Finnish language is very hard!
Dear Brooke, although you're right about the connection between Swedish (as well as Dutch, German, Norwegian, Danish, Faroese, Frisian and Icelandic) with English, all of these being examples of Germanic languages — and you're also right about Finnish not being in this group — you are, as you suspect, incorrect about the language group to which Finnish belongs, which is not the Slavic family but a separate, non-Indo-European family called Finno-Ugric.
Russian and Polish, while not Germanic, are nevertheless in the same broad Indo-European family that also includes the Celtic, Baltic, Romance, Germanic, Greek and Armenian languages, as well as Persian and most of the languages of north India, including Hindi, Gujarati, Punjabi and Bengali.
Finnish is instead closely related to Sami, the language of the people who used to be known as Lapps, and to some other Finnic languages which hold minority status in Russia; somewhat more distantly related to Estonian; and still more distantly to Hungarian. Except for recent word borrowings, none of these languages bear any relationship to any Indo-European language.
If you're concerned about ease of learning, the easiest language for an English speaker to learn is, of course, Esperanto, with its utterly regular simple grammar and a vocabulary that borrows from many Germanic and Romance languages, including English and French.
Next easiest would be a language like French or Spanish (since the vocabulary of modern English has been influenced both by French and by learned borrowings from Latin) or German, Danish, Dutch, Norwegian or Swedish, etc.
If you wanted to learn a Slavic language, I believe that Polish or Czech would be slightly easier than Russian, since Russian adds the extra dimension of the Cyrillic alphabet.
No language is intrinsically hard for someone who learns it at her mother's knee, but for a native English speaker, Finnish, Hungarian or Turkish would indeed likely be the most difficult to learn of any of the languages I have so far mentioned in this little posting. Only the Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, or such oriental languages as Chinese, Japanese or Korean are likely to be harder than, say, Finnish.
A very good explanation, Erik_Pedersen! Except for one point: Sami and Finnish aren't at all as closely related as Finnish and Estonian are. Estonian and Finnish are in the same subgroup of the Finno-Ugric languages, and Sami is in another one.
This difference is also born out in practice, so that a Finnish speaker (such as I) can understand some Estonian pretty easily (although a more detailed or deeper understanding takes quite some studying), whereas Sami is impossible to understand, you can only recognize some words here and there.
Thank you for the kind words, and sorry for the mix-up, Annika. I should have done some research before my off-the-cuff answer. Mea culpa.
Finns and Estonians can pretty understand much of what they say to each other, as is the case with Swedes and Danes .
Hope this is still in the pipeline, would love to learn Finnish - I'll be going in a couple of years, so well worth it!
Christobabble, We got a "Yes" from DL; we are campaigning for a "When." We are voting until Suomi 100 (December 6th), using Twitter. We're tweeting daily: @duolingo #finnishonduolingo
Awesome :-) That's brilliant - much love for duolingo for what they provide and for everyone who is getting the project going!
Yes! I would love to learn Finnish through Duolingo! I've been trying to learn Finnish on my own for a little less than a year. Finding good resources is a lot harder than it should be. I would be absolutely ecstatic if Duolingo added Finnish to their courses for English speakers!
I am just wondering why hasn't the project for contributing to a finnish Duolingo course started yet, as all the discussions are at least 4 years old? I am ready to help for sure! :) Mut kuunteleekohankaan ne edes meitä? (But are they even listening to us)
Finnish is so pretty. Very difficult, though! But if there's one good place to learn it, it's Duolingo! I definitely would like to see it here as well.
Best of luck with it, I'll follow the course when it comes out. Paljon onnea for getting involved!
I had to give you a couple of lingots! Finnish is a brilliant venture and I wish you all the bet as I cannot wait to start learning it. Bravo!:)
I'd love a Finnish course! I hope you get accepted and that there will be a good, dedicated team!
Trying to learn Finnish at the moment but would Love to have a Finnish course here at Duolingo!!! You have my support!!
I have looked SO HARD for I Finnish course and if Duo gets one it will be the best around! GO PROJECTFINNISH!
Yes please. A million times yes. I'm moving to Finland in February and I need to learn the lingo (and how to roll my R's).
There needs to be a finnish course! I am so excited! Let's get it rolling! I'm super stoked over here (:
Yes! I would love to learn Finnish -- it is at the top of my list of languages to learn.
Is there something that has been or we just have to wait to the next poll to vote for finnish ?
I don't know when the next one will come, so I need to check. I'll comment here I'll know
Yes! I would love to learn Finnish! I see that this is quite an old discussion, do you know if there is any progress here?
Just having clicked it, I got in return 'Sorry, this content isn't available right now'
Andrius, Please let me give you fully up-to-date information: Finnish on Duolingo! [public group] https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/ Facebook comments: https://facebook.com/duolingo ***include #finnishonduolingo
So many people who want to learn Finnish out there and no Finnish course yet? I'm learning it now and join this thread of Finnish fans for sure! :)
New on DuoLingo. I hope you will succeed in that project even if it's a year old as I would love to learn Finnish. I've joined you on Facebook. Fingers crossed!
Just left my application to contribute for this course. Hopefully one day we can make this happen.
That hope of having a Finnish course on Duolingo illuminate my day ! Give me a petition and I sign it... I can also send you money... I can't wait to learn Finnish !! :)
Would it be possible that we gather some money through a crowd funding campaign and then use that to pay some people to set up the finish course on duolingo?
I doubt that's the problem, as far as I know there are a few volunteers, no idea what's happening with this..
I think Finnish is a challenging one for Duolingo because it's a small language and only about 6 million people speak it. Then again we have Klingon and Esperanto here which kind of makes this point invalid... But I think it's just that Duolingo doesn't yet have proof there would be enough (?) learners because it's not a super popular language.
Btw, this topic only needs 9 more upvotes to get to top 10 in "Top all time" discussions :D
If you do it guys I am ready for testing at once! Opiskellaan suomea ahkerasti! :) Let's do it!
Thank you! How many are there who would contribute? Unfortunately I am not a native Finnish only enjoy learning and I have spent a few months among them to appreciate the language. I am ready to test in beta are you too? I am going to invite all my friends who are involved with Finnish language to help! This worth the effort! :)
I've seen quite a few people say they've submitted a request to contribute (including me), so I believe we'd have a team ready. It's just a matter of bringing all of us together :)
Looking forward for finish course, I really need it. Hope it will happen soon.
Chuck, Anna! Kredas mi tutkore, ke la grupo finna por la kreo de Duolingo finna kurso estas forte serioza. (Pro tio c^i estas mi membro de la laborogrupo.) Same kiel d--ro Zamenhofo strebis por E--o, mi kredas, ke simila fajro brulas en c^i tiuj koroj en Finnlando/ Suomio ! ---Kenec^jo Goldbergo
Viaj wordoj kaj sentoj estas ege bonvenoj. La apogo de la Esperanta komunumo estas nemalhavebla al la kauxzo kiun ni strebas.
Please can we make this happen now? I feel like we have been waiting for so long. I mean they have Klingon for god's sake, which I imagine is similar in terms of being different from the English language...
Ben, of course I agree! By the way, "Klingon" is owned by Paramount movie studio. So "Klingon" is a fad, which will last as long as the series of "Star Trek" films!
I'd love to learn Finnish on duolingo! How can I support the addition of a Finnish course?
Definitely! I'm waiting for Finnish and Icelandic course, they're still not available but maybe soon they will be! :D
Listen here Mr DUOLINGO..whoever you are..Finnish just has to be included. Not including it just pushes it further and further into obscurity. It's sad when a language starts to fade out of existence and Finnish is certainly one at risk. Personally, I'm moving to Vaasa ( a Swedish speaking Finnish city), which means it's pointless in me learning Swedish without Finnish. Save the Finns! Make it happen! Please!
Er... As passionately bilingual as I am, I have to point out that Vaasa is only 22.6% Swedish speaking according to Wikipedia. (And I don't see any signs of Finnish fading out of existence anytime soon.)
But yeah, you'll probably need both, living in Vaasa. The ongoing Finnish course posted here by user Zzzzz... will probably get you well on your way!
"Further and further into obscurity"... I know 5 million native speakers may not sound like a lot compared to some major world languages, but... I assure you, the Finns are alright. We're alright. It is true that the status of Finnish as a language used in some scientific fields is beginning to be compromised (as new discoveries are made faster than academic papers are being translated into languages other than English) but this is hardly something a Duolingo course can help. If you look at Finnish on the EDGIS scale (see "Finnish in the language cloud" on the Ethnologue), it's rank 1/10, which is about the same as Japanese despite the latter's larger L1 population. I would love to see Duolingo do a Finnish course and contribute to it, but not because I'm particularly worried about the future of my language.
I wish you all the best in Vaasa, though! I agree with annika_a that you need both languages, especially if you don't want to switch to English as soon as you leave the coastal areas. Where I was raised (in central Finland) it's hard to find people who actually can hold a conversation in Swedish - sadly, my own productive skills are nothing to brag about, either.
Studying Estonian has put any possible fears I may have ever had about Finnish dying out at rest: Estonian speakers number only about 1/5 of Finnish speakers, and they seem to be doing all right! :-)
Also, if you do stay in the coastal areas, but go outside of the city of Vaasa, you'll most definitely need Swedish! (Finnish won't help you much there.) But the local dialects are so special that you'll also need quite some practice...
Indeed, generally speaking, a language is not endangered if it holds official status in a country. Finnish was endangered some 150 years ago, however, but the Russian rule and the autonomy changed that.
I am currently using anki, "teach yourself" book series and digitaldialects but I have found duolingo extremely useful for Russian and would love to see it for Finnish.
I would really love if Finnish language was available in Duolingo, hope that it can be done soon
Two years later, with over 2000 upvotes and still Finnish is not even in an incubator. What a shame duolingo....
Yes Please! Finnish Please! I would use it every day!!! I need help. Aupa! Kiitos!!!
PootScoot, Duolingo has given us a clearly glimmering green light for Finnish on DL. We, last week, began campaigning. ---Simple! Could you tweet this, and any positive message, to: @LuisVonAhn and @duolingo [always add #finnishonduolingo] ? We have been doing this daily.
Just did my first Tweet - "@LuisVonAhnDuolingo, @LuisvonAhn @duolingo Please add Finnish to Duolingo. #finnishonduolingo
I was sent here and I wonder how I can vote? they say I come here and VOTE for this language, but there is no any vote??? and this is also two years old, is it still alive???? nobody is commenting here
Krisse, I just commented; I voted yes for your comment! ............ [I up/voted" it!] So, you see the green "1". I scrolled through the comments. Any positive comments that were gray, I clicked on, and made green. Anyone may do this! ---Keneĉjo
Krisse, Can you "tweet"? We are "tweeting" to: @LuisVonAhn ...and to @duolingo (here is an example): I love #finnishonduolingo! ... Many are using Twitter to tweet every day (!) ---Keneĉjo
This post from 3 years ago hasn't budged, but is the second top post of all time. Is there anything new? I feel this definitely should've been noticed by now, or at least received some acknowledgement from Duolingo staff. I would love to learn Finnish properly, and the chance to repeat the things I learnt while being an exchange student back in 2015.
Gruss, (On May 18th we received a "Yes" from the CEO of DL) ––– We are beginning the CAMPAIGN of ALL CAMPAIGNS ... tomorrow, All Saints Day, until Finland 100 ! [December 4th] ***Please see, and join, our page! https://www.facebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo/563673843817946/
UPDATE: No signs yet on twitter or the incubator as to whether or not Finnish for English speakers is going to be coming out, lots of anticipation for the next 24 hours... if all the conspiracy theories are going to be true, then hopefully tomorrow will be the big day! #Suomi100
https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/fi/en/status keep checking that link for any signs! Post in the comment section if anything is announced on Twitter, Facebook, on the Incubator, or anywhere else about fi->en
I think Finnish is the most beautiful language in the world! I lived in Tampere for a year to study it, but sadly I have lost a lot of it in the 5 years since I left due to a lack of resources in the states. Please Duolingo, add this wonderful language!!
I've just moved ot Finland to live with my Finnish boyfriend and there is such a HUGE gap in the market for a good Finnish language app. Let's hope that Duo fill the gap soon. We all know it would be fab.
Hellooooo. I have some questions about moving to Finland. If you don't mind. I've been seriously considering moving to Finland and would very much like to. Where did you move to Finland from? Was it difficult? Any advice for someone else interested in moving to Finland?
I moved form Cardiff in Wales to Helsinki in April and registered my residency in September. It is rather simple for E.U citizens, I told them how I planned to attend university and find work and therefore benefit the economy. Have a look at enterfinland and you can find more info. The only issue is finding a job, unless you are super skilled in I.T, business etc. then it can be tricky to find a job if you don't speak English. your best bet is looking to find employment through a startup company. Mosy people up to the age of 40 speak english almost fluently, but Finnish is usually required for a job. If you are serious about the move, try and find yourself some language classes and be prepared to pay a lot of money for food and beer ;) All in all Finland is amazing and feels like home - I have lived and worked in: Spain, america and China and this place felt like home right away.
I'd like to learn Finnish, too!
Does this comment count as a vote for adding a Finnish course or do I have to do something else?
Upvote the whole thread (the ^ symbol at the top next to the number 431).
It's sad, though. This thread used to have over 2000 upvotes and then they disappeared. And they probably don't matter anyway.
Bilingual Finnish/English person here! I'd love to see this happen and would gladly contribute to a course.
Yes. Allow this message to be heard. We want to learn Finnish. Please upvote. Please add to course content.
Yes, I was looking for a course in Finnish. I would definitly learn it, if it was offered.
Aage, Wonderful! (I am sorry I took so long to respond.) The group is an open group. Someone has to manually enter you (simply to avoid "bots").
I would take it if there was a Finnish course on here! I am in Norwegian and I would be up to the challenge of learning Finnish :)
I would like to see a Duolingo course in Finnish. I've used the Mango Languages Finnish, but I'm not really that enthused with their approach. Also, the Finnish they use is rather formal and old school compared to the way Finnish is being spoken (and written) now in Finland. For example: My name is: "Mina nimeni on" (old) compared to "Ma nimi on" or "You are" ("Sina olet" vs "sa oot"
I had some Finnish training in the DC area 20 years ago through the Finnish-American organization, taught by a Finnish woman who had taught US State Dept/CIA people, and it was current Helsinki-spoken Finnish where many of the pronouns and words have become abbreviated. I would prefer that this form of Finnish would be taught, or at least dually addressed in tandem with the older more formal Finnish.
I would like to brush up and improve my skills in the language of my grandparents. I have been doing Duolingo Swedish for the pasr 15-16 months and find the approach far superior to the old high-school rote verb conjugation. If you don't do Finnish for English speakers, I'd settle for Finnish<>Swedish.
The "minun nimeni on ..." form is formal as you say, but still widely used in written Finnish. I live in Finland and it's actually like the spoken and written Finnish are getting apart more and more every day, but still used in their different contexts.
So far I'm studying from the Suomen Mestari book.
Someone on this discussion mentioned Memrise, which I did and have started using it. I like Duolingo better, but it's OK.
I've been using "Beginner's Finnish" and "Finnish Grammer". But there are plenty of others and I also see that there is a "Slow Finnish" created by 'a Duolingo user')
Wow, thank you so much, but there's still not Finnish corse here on Duolingo, so sad:-)
Iris, Why don't you join our group? https://www.faccebook.com/groups/finnishonduolingo
made a new post on the forum trying to direct people to this page. please also ask admins on the facebook group to message the members asking them to upvote and comment on this page. the more clicks and views and comments this page gets the higher the chances are the course will get made soon.
Yes! I really want to learn finnish I hope duolingo adds it soon as it's one of the most highly requested languages
hi all. please try to draw attention to this page. if we were to get 300 or so more upvotes and comments then i'm sure that will be the final push needed to get Finnish into the incubator. remember hawaiian had 850+ upvotes before it got put in the incubator
I would love to learn Finnish on Duolingo! I just requested to join the Facebook group.
I have been waiting for a Finnish course for years. Please make one Duolingo!!!
This would be awesome! is there any way we know how close we are getting to the goal? I would like to start soon :p
Finnish would be nice, but you should not be discouraged if you don't get a reply. English for Finnish isn't even in the incubator. I applied for Czech for English about 5 monthes ago, and they've released the English for Czech course, but they're not going to read my application until the Czech for English course is released.
Do you know why Duolingo doesn't want people to create courses for certain languages?
I don't think that it's that they don't want to do them, it's just that they have limited resources, so they can't do everything at once.
Also, I'm not sure they will necessarily have to do English for Finnish first. Because so many Finnish people already speak excellent English, they might go straight to Finnish for English, as they have on some other courses.
Yes, totally agree with you. Most Finnish people can speak excellent English, but there are also people who can't, and are actually proud of it... But the people who would like to learn English better, won't go online, but to the university or a language school of some sort.
Yeah, Finns who don't speak English are there but not that much online, and I doubt they would show up in Duolingo anyway...so better to start with Finnish for English course like Swedish and Danish are now doing.
Do you know why Duolingo doesn't want people to create courses for certain languages?
As far as I know, Duolingo has no "veto list"; they are in principle happy to create any course for which there is demand and willing volunteers. However, creating a new course still takes significant effort by the core Duolingo team themselves, which is why they're only able to create about one a week on average. They're working on making the process more automatic to release courses faster.
You might occasionally see comments along the lines of "Duolingo is biased against language X" or "Duolingo refuse to create a course for language Y", but this is usually just an overly dramatic response from someone who is impatient to see their favourite language. It helps to remember that the incubator is less than a year old, and there are over 40 million possible language pairs that courses could be created for.
To return to the topic, though -- I wish you every success with the Finnish course, and I will be signing up the day it hits beta! I have no idea where Finnish might be in Duolingo's course creation queue, but I'm sure they'll get to it soon enough.
I totally agree with your assessment of Duolingo's (very valid) reasons for not instituting a free-for-all regarding the building of courses.
However, while I am hopeful and even confident regarding Duolingo's interest in starting the incubation of a Finnish course, the fact that the current method seems to have a problem with Hungarian and Turkish (ie. fellow agglutinative languages) worries me... It might take quite a while until they figure out a solution for this.
I didn't know about these problems with Hungarian and Turkish, but I have now informed myself via Selcen_Ozturk's excellent post (link to Google cache because the original discussion has been vaporized, for reasons I'm unable to understand). But the impression I have from that post is that progress is being made on the technical problems (even if there might be some way still to go) and the lack of progress is also due to a lack of contributors.
I take the optimistic view here: the fact that Duolingo has already committed to teaching Hungarian and Turkish gives them a strong motivation to implement agglutinative features, since the only alternative would be to say "sorry, we're dropping those courses" (which I find very hard to envisage). Hopefully Finnish (and Estonian, and Sámi) will be able to benefit from this. As you say, it might take a while, but I would guess something on the order of a year rather than a decade :-).
Sure, I haven't given up hope either! I have just readjusted my expectations a bit regarding the timing (or rather order in the list of upcoming courses).
(And I'm certainly not holding my breath for Sámi...I don't think Duolingo would ever rule any languages out completely, but there is obviously an internal shortlist, and I can't imagine any Sámi language being on it until they've plowed through a lot of others.)
In the order of a year, you say?! That's about a decade or more if you count in Duolingo user expectation time! :-D (We have a relatively recent but quite common expression in Finnish: "kaikkimullehetinyt". It is mostly used as a noun, and translated directly as "everything-to-me-immeadiately-now"...)
According to what I was able to find in internet, Estonian is not agglutinative language because both stem and agglutinated suffixes change instead of being fixed. So that may mean that with Estonian there would be additional problems. Which is sad, because I would be happy to contribute to the Estonian courses, being a native Estonian.
something on the order of a year
One year later, according to the timestamp, and we still don't have Finnish....
We have a relatively recent but quite common expression in Finnish: "kaikkimullehetinyt".
(I wouldn't hold my breath for Sámi either, but Luis has mentioned plans to automate course creation to a point where they can add hundreds of courses at a time -- though of course choosing contributors would still be a bottleneck. Even if "hundreds" proves optimistic, I would expect course creation to become a lot faster and easier over the next couple of years.)
Thanks Annika. Really useful info - if the agglutinative nature of Hungarian and Turkish has caused problems that absolutely would explain why it's taking so long...
Oh, but that was three years ago! :-)
Since then, Duolingo has made adjustments to the Incubator to allow for this, and their Turkish and Hungarian courses have been published a long time ago.
So now it's really just about lack of interest from Duolingo's side... :-/
I wouldn't say that. They get thousands of requests for languages. But, they have to find capable, fluent contributors for both languages (who also have enough time to commit). The process of actually creating the course can take months.
It seems that the easiest way is to let the community build the courses, but Duolingo only wants the highest quality of translation work for their courses, so people aren't learning how to make mistakes. :)
Hey, I posted a feature request to Duolingo that may add some transparency on how the process for a new language goes before we see the course in the incubator - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16494611 Would you care to vote for it? As soon as there are 50+ votes I will try to approach the Duolingo team since I am willing to contribute the feature.
The goal of 50+ votes is almost reached so I prepared a prototype of the page I imagine as the implementation of the feature request. I will be very happy if you give feedback on whether you find it helpful. It reflects my guesswork on the process from an application for a course to phase 1 in the incubator. So if you know additional information or you know something there is not correct, please let me know.
You can find the page here - https://kids-read.appspot.com
Meanwhile, you can use the page to see how many contributors are still willing to create a Finnish course. I will add the volunteers based on a short comment as described in the page itself, and I will make sure the people stay on the page only when they are active in Duolingo.
And after you follow the blue link vote by pressing the 'up' sign next to the circle with the number in it just below the post. The sign will turn green. Thanks for voting!
And I understand that it can take a while for them to read all the applications, so I'm in no hurry right now :)
Yes, I know that they want high quality translations, but if thousands of people want to contribute to different courses, shouldn't there be someone who is good enough, who actually knows what he/she is doing? :)
The thing is, although the Incubator volunteers are indeed volunteers, each course still requires input also from the staff (programming fixes for issues related to the different structures of languages, updates to the site as a whole, etc.).
So it is in everyone's interest that they only add as many courses as they can handle. One per week is already freaking amazing, compared to any other language learning tool.
Well, just think about it. There are 32 paid employees for Duolingo, and not all of them are directly reading applications. So, fewer than 30 people are sifting through contributors (And I bet a few have tried to slip in Google Translator translations), so that takes a while.
There's just a lot that goes into the process (more than we know, I'm sure.) These are courses that can potentially teach millions, so it's not something that can be taken lightly. That is the main reason why they want to be careful about who they choose.
@bergenkatt: They have a pretty multilingual staff. I think they would tend to vet the main candidates internally, and maybe ask for advice from any other native speakers they know (I bet they know a lot of language experts by now).
I actually think the lack of a Finnish speaker on the staff is/has been a big obstacle to the introduction of Finnish on Duolingo: They have a Danish native speaker (and nowadays also a Swedish native speaker), which I can't help guessing eased the introduction of Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian (a native speaker of one is normally capable of weeding out GT translations in the two other ones, too).
Yes, I understand. Didn't know there were so few people working in Duolingo :O But as I said earlier, I'm in no hurry. If it takes a while to sort all the applications, then I will just wait. I also think that someone has tried GT, but why? :D They won't even get paid for it, so why cheat?
I also truly respect the job they're doing, and I don't want them to do it carelessly :)
Yup, you're right. It works good with for example English and other big languages, which don't have very complex grammar.
Yeah, probably. But you aren't really a contributor if you take all the bad translations from GT. Especially in Finnish, GT can't translate even one sentence correctly :P
Yes, GT is sketchy. It works okay-ish for some languages, but botches others.
They have probably someone who can speak requested language. You don't need to be native speaker to see if request has been done using (Google) translator.
To the GT part: Who knows? Maybe to see what being a contributor is all about (best case scenario).
I am involved in some small groups for Finnish learners in Skype (we use mostly only the text chat) Anybody interested?
Pertenezco en grupos pequeños para estudiantes de finés en Skype (usamos en su mayoría sólo el chat de texto) Estáis interesado?
Look also / mirad: https://suomispanja.wordpress.com/
El grupo de Skype no es tan activo más, pero te puedo añadir de todos modos - usamos ahora en su mayoría otras formas de comunicación que está más práctico para nosotros.
Vaikkei Skype-ryhmä olekaan enää kovin aktiivinen (on kätevämpää viestiä muutoin), voin lisätä sinut sinne.
Haluatko oppia suomea käyttäen englantia vaiko espanjaa? Are your interested learning Finnish using English? ¿Quieres aprender finés en el grupo de hispanohablantes?
WhatsApp? Skype? Slack?
Bueno, soy hablante nativo de inglés, pero he estudiado español por muchos años. Tengo un novio de finlandia que conocí cuando vivía en Granada, España. Por eso me interesa aprender finés. Me interesa aprender en el grupo de hispanohablantes por usar mi español y aprender finés a la vez. Pero un grupo por hablantes nativos de inglés me conviene bien también. Uso WhatsApp más que los otros dos
Puedo te añadir al grupo WhatsApp pero no quiero dar mi número de teléfono aquí - mi nombre de Skype es 'patsyishduolingo'.
BTW. I just made a Finnish course with Memrise, it is for Tigrinya speakers, but you can use it also in English.
You can contact me also at facebook 'Patsyish Duolingo', but tell me if you do so - I do not use that account that much.
Alas I must learn Spanish too before I try to use it. But seems promising! :) Thanks the tip!
Would you like to join an English-Finnish group. It is still a bit small, but it migh be useful for you... szívesen! :)
Dear Patsyish, It would be interesting to join a Finnish learning group! :) Where and how can I find it?
El grupo de Skype no es tan activo más, pero te puedo añadir de todos modos - usamos ahora en su mayoría otras formas de comunicación que está más práctico para nosotros.
Vaikkei Skype-ryhmä olekaan enää kovin aktiivinen (on kätevämpää viestiä muutoin), voin lisätä sinut sinne.
I would LOVE to learn Finnish! I'm hoping to travel to Finland to teach English at some point, and would find this very helpful!
Hi, Is there any progress in building a Finnish course? I'd still love to learn it, and many others as well. So have you been able yet to convince Duolingo team to start with it ;) ?
Really hope this that Duolingo open finnish language project one day. My girlfriend needs to learn it and she doesn't have possibility to attend courses and there is no good online material. I'll signup to contribute when possible. Hopefully soon...... :/
I would like to see Finnish here. How can one contribute to move Finnish into incubator?
The thread is now an year old. Is there any progress? Any chance that we might get a Finnish course?
I can see that the discussion is "old" nobody know if there will be Finnish one day ?
I need all the help I can get learning Finnish! So, yes please to all the efforts in adding Finnish to Duolingo, kiitos :-)
Finnish is a very interesting languages. I learn it at the moment and I would love to can have Duolingo too.
I personally know 5 people in addition to myself who would LOVE to learn Finnish on Duolingo.
Finnish is something I've wanted to learn for a while, I hope it gets accepted sometime soon :P
Please, let this happen-it's one of these very special languages which I do not need, but nevertheless would love to understand
They've just added Korean in the incubator, I hope to see finnish there too very soon
I would love to see a Finnish course on Duolingo! I have been waiting on it for quite a while now. I just joined the Facebook group a little earlier, I'll try to spread the word around a bit :)
Sad to see that Finnish isn't yet added to the incubator. :( I visited Helsinki last summer and have been waiting for a Finnish course ever since.
One day, hopefully! Then you have a good reason to come back to practice... :-)
Mi amas Esperanton dum pli ol dudek jaroj. Ĝi "naskiĝis" en 1887. Mi laboris kiel eble tre multe kun Inari. Estante nur esperantisto, ja mi estas membro de tiu ĉi grupo. [I have loved Esperanto for more than twenty years. It was "born" in 1887. I worked with Inari as much as I, in my knowledge and capacity, could for "Suomi: Duolingo." Being simply an "Esperantisto", yes! , I am a member of this working group.] ---(I always have in mind that "Klingon" belongs entirely to Paramount Studios, Hollywood. When the "Star Trek" movies come to an end, so will the "Klingon" "fad.")---Ni laboru kaj esperu. [Let us work and hope.]
Klingon, a commercial movie-language remains ( ! ) in the incubator at 33%! Esperanto, whose author, in 1887, gave up all rights to it, and which functions precisely in the manner of a natural language, is spoken in over 120 countries. Suomi, once in the incubator, will do more than hatch!
Offered to help with this a while back. I hope we get this course up and running! Would be so cool :) I know there are a lot of people esp immigrants who could really use this course :)
b3nicio, Inari and I collaboratred in this effort. I gave him the names of a handful of quite important "esperantistoj" in "Finnlando". I then asked a question, which yielded the identity of a quite important "esperantisto", who was the one most familiar with the inner workings of Duolingo! I then proposed to Inari that he write, at my behest, to a long beloved by me teacher, a key figure in the Esperanto community, as well a Scandanavian. Then I realized that one member of the Esperanto Academy cannot "step on the toes" of another! This I broken- heartedly wrote to Inari. ---Keneĉjo
Finnish is one language I've always wanted to learn! Thanks for all your effort, can't wait!!! :)
I am going to Finland on holidays in a few month, I started using Duolingo to learn some Danish, Norwegian and Swedish for my trip as well. It would be brilliant to learn Finnish too!
If it's in a few months, then it's already too late for Duolingo. Even if they added the course in the incubator today, it wouldn't be ready that soon.
You could do what I do and do a few courses on Memrise; it isn't as good for grammar, but it's helpful too. And of course Zzzzz.....'s course here.
I know it's too late for me to learn Finnish for this trip, but it would still be fascinating to learn it one day in the future. Thanks for the link!
Seconding everything that widle wrote (as usual), and also adding that there are plenty of Finnish speakers on here who would be happy to answer any questions you have when/if you take the plunge and start learning it!
I know it's too late for me to learn Finnish for this trip, but it would still be fascinating to learn it one day in the future. Thanks for the offer!! :-)
I've also tried the Mondly course but I don't really like it. It doesn't really teach you grammar (at least not enough for a language like Finnish - it would probably work quite well if you were learning French, I guess.). Also the course is not even half as detailed as a Duolingo course would be. :/
And, like widle already said, once you complete a lesson Mondly just assumes you'll never forget it.....
I have tried it before. It is not bad, but it is very generic (the same lessons for all language pairs, no Finnish specifics) and they do not have spaced repetition.
Mondly is okay, but learning with it feels a little rigid after a while imo.
True, but better than nothing, and in a way better than memrise I think, at least it has sentences, but yes, it leaves a lot to be desired..
Luckily there are some sentence-based courses on Memrise too (the "Suomi Monostyle" course is nice). But I'm still hoping for Duolingo one day.
I'll check this one, what I've seen so far seems like just memorising words which is pretty useless..
I guess, but Mondly doesn't really teach you any grammar and if you don't know at least a little Finnish before starting it up, I think that you might be a little confused... thankfully I already knew some words and basics though, but I can see how it might be a little confusing, grammar wise, if you're a beginner.
(Replying here because the other post was too deep.)
Memorizing words definitely isn't useless! But it isn't enough by itself, that's true.
I can't get words to stick if I'm just memorizing them as words. :-S I need the context provided by sentences.
I just sent my contribution application to Duolingo because why not. It would be fun to help other people learn this very unique language. It's actually pretty cool to know that you're native language is one of the world's hardest languages to learn. And if someone is really interested to take the challenge and learn it. Remember that it takes time and don't go too hard on yourself. The grammar is difficult even for the native speakers. Also the pronunciation can be very strange but it's important to get it right so Finnish people can understand what you're trying to say. But still don't be afraid to make mistakes! And also the spoken language is so different so it can be hard to understand a Finnish person. So it's good to learn some slang words too! And if the Finnish course some day will come to Duolingo remember TORILLA TAVATAAN!
I want to learn Finnish so much! It would be so amazing to go to such a beautiful place full of marvelous people, endless forests and pristine lakes.
I wrote the link on a facebook page of spanish people who live in Finland. Let's see if it works... :)
I'd love to give Finnish a try! Some of my favourite bands are from Finland and I have a lot of respect for the Finns, they are a really interesting people.
Hi Wulfgarcyng, I think that we will have to wait for a while, this topic was initiated 2 years ago and the course isn't in the incubator yet. I'm not sure how many upvotes is necessary for the Duolingo community to start the course, but if you want to learn Finnish you should probably start outside of Duolingo... P.S. I agree with you about the Finns, they are something else (I mean this in the nicest way possible) ^_^
YES, I DEADLY want to learn Finnish! I tried several apps to learn languages, but i never found one with a good Finnish course..and if Duolingo would add it it would be fabulous! Whatever I can do to make it happen, I'll do it (yes, I already asked to join the facebook group)! =)
I would love for there to be a Finnish course on DuoLingo. Good online Finnish courses are hard to find, so please make one on Duolingo!
Want to see Finnish course too! For english or russian speakers. It's a very interesting language, I think many people want to learn it here!
Milloin se on valmis! Olen kiinnostunut!!! Minun täytyy parantaa. Duolingo voi auttaa monia ihmisiä.
My Finnish may be terrible, but I would be very interested in seeing this become an official Duolingo course!!!!!!!
I would be very interested in a finnish course on Duolingo. I have already started to learn of bit of finnish with the book Suomea Suomeksi but I think my learning would be much more efficient with Duolingo. :-D
I am from Finland. Olen Suomesta ja olen lukenut lasten kalevalaa. Toivottavasti suomi tulee tänne duolingoon! I am from Finland and I have been reading children's kalevala. I hope Finnish is coming here in Duolingo!
I really hope you succeed in creating a finnish course. I'd love to learn Finnish, because it seem really interesting and I love a challenge. Good luck!
It has been two years since this comment was posted and I still want to learn Finnish. I hope that soon I will be able to learn this intriguing language. Go Project Finnish!
Well, you can still learn it without Duolingo. I've been learning Finnish for almost 2 years now.
This post is 2 years old now, what happened since then ? Can we hope to have finnish courses one day ? :-(
duotomo, This is beautifully true! [As far as the "commercial enterprise" language you mentioned, I have been tracking it in the incubator for almost 1 and 1/2 years. It remained at 33% for over a year; in the last few months: 34%, 35%. For us, whose heart says, "Suomi on DL!!"...this industrial conglomeration of words, which you mentioned, is a distraction!!! Let us ignore it! And begin...by clicking on the link, provided by duotomo, above. Let us work and hope. ---Keneĉjo
Hi I think Finnish would be a great addition. It's a really interesting language which i personally would love to learn. I very much hope Duolingo realease it soon and stop with rubbish like Klingon. Finnish has my vote every time
I would love to see this language be added to the list of lessons, I have a friend in the UK teaching themselves Finnish and it is both a beautiful and baffling language to listen to.
Oh, I am really disappointed that Finnish is not here.. still.. Why there is Klingon an so, but Finnish not? Please, please Duolingo, give us Finnish lessons. Thank for slow Finnish lessons on one place, but I would like to learn the same way like the other languages. Thank you for this discussion, for all informations and I wish you all the best. Hope I will see the lessons in incubator soon :)
When I first joined duolingo, Finnish was the first language I looked for (I listen to a lot of Finnish metal and have been trying slowly to learn for a while) and I was kinda sad not to see it.
I'm going to worldcon in Helsinki this summer and I'd really love to be able to speak a bit of Finnish around the city so I'd be ssssoooo happy if Finnish were added here
Moi kaikille! I would really like it, if there is a course for such a beautiful language as Finnish surely is. Moreover, if I am of any use to help and build it, I am in. By doing so, I would like to develop my skills as well as to enable others to have a chance to learn it. I already applied to became a Contributor so I hope everything goes fine :)
Yes please! I would love to take a Finnish course! Spend all my summers in Finland, so I could really use a better knowledge of the language!
I really really would love to see a Duolingo Finnish course. I can't really find any good apps to help me learn Finnish, I was very disappointed to see that they weren't already working on this!
minhalse, Last week, we got a clear glimmer of a green light!! We are sending positive tweets daily! to: @LuisVonAhn ---and to: @duolingo ---just a few words! *We are adding #finnishonduolingo ---I hope you'll join in to make this happen!
Maria, Can you "tweet?" We, who feel like you, are tweeting (many, every day) to @LuisVonAhn ... and also @duolingo: [an example]--- I love #finnishonduolingo!
We recently got a "glimmering" green light! So this is a campaign!
I just recently started duolingo and after polishing up my French decided that I would love to learn the wacky language of my ancestors. Has this project gained any traction over the last couple years?
Eric, Yes! We just got a glimmering green light from the CEO of Duolingo! Of course, we all want to speed things up. We are daily tweeting (a few positive words) to @LuisVonAhn ... and to @duolingo. [example: I love #finnishonduolingo!] ( be sure to include : #finnishonduolingo) Would you agree that 100 tweets a day have power? That goal is a collective effort! .................................. In solidarity, Kenecxjo
Lewis, Luis Von Ahn, the genius CEO of Duolingo had an "Ask Me Anything" session; he gave us a glimmering green light for suomi ! We started a campaign. Many are sending @LuisVonAhn a daily tweet. (ex. I love #finnishonduolingo!) [ I have learned that the #.... gets it directed :) ] ---Keneĉjo
Do you have any indication that the daily tweets are helping? To me it sounds more like pestering than anything else.
widle, I would say that anything positive would not be pestering. I think we all, including Luis, need encouragement, and, in this case, a "show of hands." P.S. I have admired your words, and thank you for this question :)
Hello, I am a Bulgarian and I am interested in learning Finnish. So far I know only a few words, so I hope the course does get approved by Duolingo. Finnish is a truly fascinating language!