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It's you because of Habitas
In Portuguese (for example) to say "You live" you can also say "(Tu) habitas"
Romae is just inflected to say "In Roma" I guess but I'm no Latin expert
Mnemonic for which words use the locative:
"Towns, small islands, domus and rus—no preposition is in use"
Yes, Romae is in a "locative case", the noun case about place, which is a minor case used only with some specific place like Rome (Romae), home (domi) and etc. but very very few. It gives a meaning of "at the place" or "in the place". The course just ignore to say about the locative case at all (at this point), maybe to avoid confusion if too many grammar rules are introduced at this point. Or maybe, they think it's too much in detail to talk about locative now.
More information here in wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locative_case#Indo-European_languages
Why is it "Romae" for "in Rome" but "in Italia", not "Italiae" for "in Italy"?
"Romae" is the locative case of "Roma". In Classical Latin, the locative had almost disappeared and was used only for names of cities, small islands and a few other words, including "domus" (locative "domi") and "rus" (locative "ruri"). Other words do not have a locative form, so you have to use "in" with the ablative, as in "in Italia".
Tú "habitas" el lugar/You live in (inhabit) the place. Yo "habito" el lugar/I live in(inhabit) the place. Spanish ^
Why would Romae habitasne be wrong--would it not make sense, meaning "Do you live in Rome?" Or was it wrong because there wasn't a question mark?
I believe the -ne ending only goes after the first word of the sentence
Thanks -- my book said "usually" so I wasn't sure how strict the rule was:)
Wiktionary about -ne:
"Added to the end of a word in a phrase (usually the first word) to make it a question"
The exceptions to this "usually" rule seems to be here (Wiktionary)
A question requiring an answer of "yes" or "no" is formed by adding -ne to the emphatic word:
Is tibi mortemne vidētur aut dolōrem timēre?
Does it seem to you to be death that he fears or pain?
About the use of the enclitic suffix "-ne".
From: http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/how-to-form-questions.6418/
The most common way to form a question is to add -ne to the word you want to ask about:
Mē amās. You love me. Amāsne me? Do you love me (or not)? Mēne amās? Do you love me (or someone else)? Tūne mē amās? Is it you who loves me?
Note that the syllable immediately preceeding -ne is stressed, even if it's short.
You can question the whole statement with the word ecquid:
Ecquid mē amās? Do you love me?
If answer "yes" is expected, then the word nōnne is used instead:
Nōnne mē amās? Do you love me? (I think you do.)
On the contrary, if "no" is expected, then one of the following words is used: num or numquid (the latter for more emphasis):
Num mē amās? Numquid mē amās? Do you love me? (I strongly doubt that you do.)
Negative answer is nōn. For positive answers the verb (or the questioned word) is often repeated, sometimes with some other words:
Amāsne mē? - Amō. Do you love me? - I do. Mēne amās? - Ita est, tē amō. Do you love me? - It is so, I love you. Num mē amās? - Immō tē multum amō. Do you love me? (doubtfully) - Indeed I love you very much.
(...)
The normal position for this -ne is the end of the first word of the sentence
Also, this -ne is not used where this is some other specific question word. For example, ‘Why do you love me?’ is ‘Cūr mē amās?’.
As in all languages, certain sorts of questions can be made just with intonation and context: ‘Mē amās?’ = ‘You love me?’
(...)
Annōn is used in direct questions, necne usually only in indirect questions.
Shouldn't "Romae" be pronounced like "Rome"? Because "ae" and "oe" are diphthongs and sound like "e"
Habitas is the statement "you live" and habitasne is the question "Do you live". I don't know whether or not in Latin you can inflect your voice for "habitas" and make it a question.
I have some problem with the pronunciation in the words with "ae", in the highschool i had a teacher that teach me the sound ae sounds like only "eh" and many words in my lenguaje (Spanish) sound like this, i don't know what to do
No, there is nothing wrong with the pronunciation. In the reconstructed Classical pronunciation, ae sounded like the English word eye (more or less).
http://publicaciones.ustatunja.edu.co/ebook/DRomano/HTML/files/assets/common/downloads/page0032.pdf en las primeras lineas comenta algo similar a lo que comente anteriormente, solo he visto en publicaciones de habla inglesa en su mayoria que las dos letras las digan literal
Ae and e most definitely did not make the same sound in Classical Latin. That change happened at the end of the Roman period.
Here is a basic guide to the Classical pronunciation. http://jlong1.sites.luc.edu/L101pron.htm
AE is a diphthong. That means both vowels made a sound. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong The a was definitely not silent. We know this from Latin poetry. By the very end of the Roman period, the AE had become an E sound, but that's wasn't always the case.
"You live at Rome" is very old-fashioned English. "You live in Rome" is much more idiomatic for 21st-century English, and equally expresses the concept of location.
The locative can be "in" or "at".
It's rather "in", considering it's used for cities/towns (you live in New York), small islands (you live in Hawaii), domus (at home/in home), ruri (in the country), humi (on the ground).
