https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heike333145

An important word is missing in the Latin course!

Salvete! :-)

The Latin course mentions gems, but it does not mention lingots. This means that I can't describe my possessions on Duolingo, which is unfortunate.

To solve this severe issue, I've invented the Latin term for Lingot: Lingotus.

It follows the -o declension, i.e.:
(Sing. Nominative:) lingotus
(Sing. Genitive:) lingoti
(Sing. Dative:) lingoto
(Sing. Accusative:) lingotum
(Sing. Ablative:) lingoto
(Sing. Vocative:) lingote

(Pl. Nominative:) lingoti
(Pl. Genitive:) lingotorum
(Pl. Dative:) lingotis
(Pl. Accusative:) lingotos
(Pl. Ablative:) lingotis
(Pl. Vocative:) lingoti

So, if I want to talk to my lingots, I'll shout: "Lingoti!" ("Oh, Lingots!") :D And if I want to talk to just one of them, I'll say: "Lingote!"

Just a little weekend fun, with a huge thanks to all the contributors and to those who answer questions, particularly in the sentence discussions. Gratias vobis ago! :-)

Happy learning, everyone! :-)


Edit:
Improved version, provided by ARCANA-MYSA in a post below (thanks!):

Lingot, lingotis (3rd declension, masculine for consistency) works well enough.

Singular

Nominative: Lingot

Genitive: Lingotis

Dative: Lingoti

Accusative: Lingotem

Ablative: Lingote

Vocative: Lingot

Plural

Nominative: Lingotes

Genitive: Lingotum

Dative: Lingotibus

Accusative: Lingotes

Ablative: Lingotibus

Vocative: Lingotes

August 31, 2019

22 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

Funny translation in "Google translate":

"Two gems" => "duabus gemmis"
but "Two lingots" => "Duo lingots"

August 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Decovo

Duo lingots for you :)

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

Lingotus? Why change the word? Lingot, lingotis (3rd declension, masculine for consistency) works well enough.

Singular

Nominative: Lingot

Genitive: Lingotis

Dative: Lingoti

Accusative: Lingotem

Ablative: Lingote

Plural

Nominative: Lingotes

Genitive: Lingotum

Dative: Lingotibus

Accusative: Lingotes

Ablative: Lingotibus

Your version works, but in my experience it's far easier to put foreign words into third declension. :) To each their own!

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimKillock

Yes this is the norm and would be the expected form. @Heike333145 wouldn't be expected to know that though

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heike333145

Indeed. But we all are learning from each other. This is great. :-)

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimKillock

Here is a version with long vowels marked so you can see how it changes the pronunciation:

Nominative: Lingot

Genitive: Lingōtis

Dative: Lingōtī

Accusative: Lingōtem

Ablative: Lingōte

Plural

Nominative: Lingōtēs

Genitive: Lingōtum

Dative: Lingōtibus

Accusative: Lingōtēs

Ablative: Lingōtibus

You can see that it sounds quite different with a long 'o' - which would be standard in a word like this. How do I know that this happens? It's not a technical learning, but it is what I have heard or seen in lots of third declension nouns. (It may not always happen but it seems normal.) See for instance:

bellātor (warriror) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bellator#Latin

Words in Latin sound very different when you add the long vowels in. Think bellatores versus bellātōrēs. The latter is rather threatening, the former sounds a bit like ballet dancers.

September 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heike333145

This sounds great! Thanks for the improvement to my invention. :-)

I didn't know how to perform the declension of words ending in anything different from -us, -um, -a in the nominative.

I support your variant, and I'll add it to my OP so that we all talk about our lingotes harmoniously. ;-)

Edit: I just added the vocative because I want to address my Lingots correctly. ;-)

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimKillock

Maybe you've come across this, maybe not, it's Winston Churchill relating his first Latin experiences:

Behold me then on a gloomy evening, with an aching heart, seated in front of the First Declension.

Mensa - a table

Mensa - O table

Mensam - a table

Mensae - of a table

Mensae - to or for a table

Mensa - by, with or from a table

What on earth did it mean? Where was the sense in it? It seemed absolute rigmarole to me. However, there was one thing I could always do: I could learn by heart. And I thereupon proceeded, as far as my private sorrows would allow, to memorize the acrostic-looking task which had been set me.

In due course the Master returned.

"Have you learnt it?" he asked.

"I think I can say it, sir," I replied; and I gabbled it off.

He seemed so satisfied with this that I was emboldened to ask a question.

"What does it mean, sir?"

"It means what it says. Mensa, a table. Mensa is a noun of the First Declension. There are five declensions. You have learnt the singular of the First Declension."

"But," I repeated," what does it mean?"

"Mensa means a table," he answered.

"Then why does mensa also mean O table," I enquired, "and what does O table mean?"

"Mensa, O table, is the vocative case," he replied.

"But why O table?" I persisted in genuine curiosity.

"O table – you would use that in addressing a table, in invoking a table." And then seeing he was not carrying me with him, "You would use it in speaking to a table."

"But I never do," I blurted out in honest amazement.

"If you are impertinent, you will be punished, and punished, let me tell you, very severely," was his conclusive rejoinder.

Such was my first introduction to the classics from which, I have been told, many of our cleverest men have derived so much solace and profit.

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

A tale every bit as amusing as Mark Twain's legendary essay on the German language. XD Thank you for this! Lingotem accipis.

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

September 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

V. cool! Please accept a few of the little beauties.

In French "lingot" means what we call an Ingot in English. In Latin an ingot is later, lateris (m.), a brick, and a golden one is "later aurei," lit., a brick of gold--a gold brick! :) , at least acc. to Pliny the Elder:

C. Caesar primo introitu urbis civili bello suo ex aerario protulit laterum aureorum XV, argenteorum XXX, et in numerato |CCC|. . . .

(Gaius [Julius] Caesar, on his first entry of the city during his Civil War drew out from the treasury 15 [thousand pounds` weight] ingots of gold, thirty of silver, and in coin 300 [thousand]. . . .

But two words are not as convenient as your one.

FWIW, I found this using this extremely useful English-Latin dictionary, which is coupled with Lewis and Short's Latin-English dictionary, although I should note that the link to Pliny does not end us up at the right passage (paragraph 56).

August 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chocochipkookie

Whenever I refer to lingots on this forum now, I will be using this lol. Great, useful post :D

August 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EL5tEL

Love this! Very creative and fun. Thanks Heike! And another thanks to the contributors - I'm just getting started on my Latin tree.

August 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Algarve11

Thanks, wonderful post!

August 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HumaShaz

Your post made me laugh out loud like literally..!!!

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Windrammer

Please, add macrons! I'm starved for macrons.

September 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HighprinceVader

I agree. When I pronounce the declension table above, I pronounce the second syllable long. I have no way of knowing if that's right or not.

September 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

Lingotem novum habes. ;)

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leblond239237

salvete the order of declension in latin - singular and plural - is : nominative, vocative, accusative, genitive, dative and ablative for a better memory for it. en français : l'ordre de la déclinaison en latin - singulier et pluriel - est : nominatif, vocatif, accusatif, génitif, datif et ablatif pour une meilleure mémorisation de celle-ci.

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimKillock

There are two competing systems for declension unfortunately. The 'ancient' way, or 'natural' way according to the Romans is Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Ablative, Vocative, as has been given here, or as you will find on Wiktionary for example. It is more common in the USA as well. See: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/villa#Latin

The order you suggest is as I understand it was an innovation of Victorian British Latinists, who wanted to show the similarities between certain forms more clearly.

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Heike333145

The first sequence is also the one used in German grammar books / on German grammar sites. Example: http://www.mbradtke.de/gr009.htm

September 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Goodtimes_Gordon

Oh, not Irrumatio?

September 7, 2019
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