Salivanto: "King of Esperanto"
Who is "salivanto"? Why does he post all over the forum here? What is he thinking when he does?
I've been thinking about posting a message for a few weeks now. I was spurred into action by a second accusation this morning that I want to be "King Esperanto" (or similar.) Of course, the last time someone said something like that (specifically - that "not everyone here is your personal student"), I changed my profile picture so say that I am "your personal Esperanto tutor." This was meant in fun. Nobody is under any obligation to be "my personal student." Nobody is under any obligation to read my posts. Nobody is under any obligation to take my advice.
Salivanto, why are you here?
I am here because in 2015, I logged onto the forum and saw that people had been asking questions about the sentences in the course. The bulk of the questions were either sitting for months or a year without any answer, or they had been answered by people who were only about 5 minutes ahead in the course and who didn't really know Esperanto. I am here to help people get the information they need. It's also why I started my YouTube Channel.
I am very grateful that in the last year or so, several individuals have started paying attention to the "sentences tab" in this forum. These are people who have grown up, as it were, on this forum (most from before 2015) and know what they're talking about. They also know when they've reached the limits of their knowledge - and so they don't post answers that sound like guesses. Thanks to these people, I have stopped trying to stay on top of the "sentences" tab. They have it well in hand.
(I do follow along - currently on a 3 week delay - to double check that all questions in this section have been answered and to follow these threads in case new questions come up on them.)
In 2019, I am still here because there are countless threads which are still receiving new questions, and when I don't stay on top of answering them, these questions remain unanswered literally for months. There simply isn't a good way for someone to come in and find these new questions. I get notified about most of them because I've been so active on the forum for so long.
If you're here to help people, why are you so rude?
I don't think I am, but I have been called (among other things):
- a unkind person
- an insufferable know-it-all
- very rude
- a bit harsh
- passive-aggressive with a side of insults.
- frustrated and [come] off as rude.
To the people who think this, I will offer this bit of copy-paste from one of these threads
I'm sorry you found my reply rude. I submit, however, that this perception happened as you read it. In my experience, if I don't answer a question, it often doesn't get answered - so sometimes I'm direct [because my time is limited]. Have a look around the boards. If you think I'm a rude person, then you are welcome to disregard my messages. If you don't, then I would ask you for a little goodwill when you interpret a message which at first reading might seem rude to you.
To everybody else - stick it in your ear and learn your own durn Esperanto! (Yes, the previous line was meant to sound rude.) In real life, I am a very patient person. Check out my reviews on italki for example. In face-to-face interactions (and on Skype, etc.) people know that I am patient. It's only online that I come off this way. I know I come off this way, and I don't need people to tell me this. Know that when you do, it comes off as rude.
As long as I can, I will continue to answer questions on this forum. Those who stick around seem to get a sense for who I am and why I'm brief. If you need a clarification, please ask - I'm always happy to explain further. If you want to comment that I should answer without providing links, or that I should explain better, or that I should give more information, please know that I have no patience for those kinds of comments. Please don't tell me what I "should" do. Often times the links that I post are links to blog posts which I've written because I've already answered the same question literally 100 times on Duolingo, and I don't mind answering it 500 more times.
This is just the way things are on line. I expect people will continue to call me rude - which is fine with me as long as others continue to learn here. Once again a big thanks to the the forum veterans who are answering new questions in the sentences tab. Keep learning, everybody!
Amike salutas vin,
P.S. I haven't worked out the details, but I'm expecting to have less time to dedicate to Esperanto as we go into the Fall. Hopefully the world will keep turning without me. (Yes, I know that this sounds arrogant - I don't mean it... well, I do hope and am sure people will find other ways to get their questions answered without me poking my nose in all over the place.)
It's interesting to me the things which people find rude. One person called me out for putting links in my answer. Usually these are links to articles which I've written specifically as answers to frequent questions here - or to threads where the question was discussed fully. When I say that I don't intend to write new, full answers every time, then other people come out and call me rude. In another case, someone made a typo and then posted a new note to explain the typo. "Did you know you can edit your posts here?" was taken as rude.
In yet other cases, I've even admitted I was wrong. :-)
But speaking of answering questions, here are some that I don't plan on answering. Since you are one of the people I meant to thank in my OP, I wonder if you or someone else might care to take a look. All three threads have questions going back to July. The first and third, I believe, have additional questions going back 5 months and a year respectively - which nobody has answered. There may or may not be value in replying at this point.
Well, if it wasn't for your public request for help with the volume of questions that appear in the sentences tab, I wouldn't have started doing so at all. So you can basically thank yourself ;)
Looks like ionasky basically has those covered, although I added a little bit.
You've done helluvalot good job and there is nothing but to say THANK YOU.
This post went from +4 votes to -3. Someone must have listed it on Reddit. :-)
You're doing an amazing work, and I like both your answers and advices. To be honest, my point of view might be a little biased: Logano and you have been my personal Esperanto tutors since the very beginning of my Esperanto-journey.
If I were you, I would take a short break on the forums: rest and take care. :-) You don't owe anybody any justification.
What would a short break accomplish? I'm no more (or less) frustrated than I have been at any other time. Things will be exactly the same in a day, a week, a month... I was discussing this thread on my personal FB timeline, and I almost said that I need thicker skin. I have pretty thick skin. When someone tells me that I'm rude, it's all I can do not to tell them to stick it their ear. Not because my feelings are hurt, but because the irony tickles me.
As I mentioned at the end of my original post, I may well be taking a break - and if I do, it may well be a long one - not because I feel like I need one (and also not because I feel the learners here need a break from me), but I'm getting tired of eating Top Ramen, and giving away free Esperanto advice all day long can't be sustained.
Well, they’ll miss you when you’ve gone.
I don't know half what you know.
I can’t answer half the questions
I wouldn’t put up with half the crap.
‘Stick it in your ear’ would be the exact response they would get from me.
How nice to see a friend from my old Esperanto Group Group which i miss terribly..
Anyway, have a lingot
I could have sworn i replied to Enethir. Weird.
Anyway, with this i sort of hijacked your Post (sorry), but i was happy to see someone. My Esperantogroup was amazing and full of dedicated learners. I destest the ranks. Well, i guess some people like them. But language is not a game. It is a tool of communication(with which you can Play, of course). Ah well. Doesn't matter in the end.
How anyone could be angry at someone Who devotes his free time helping others is beyond me... you are doing a great service
I could have sworn i replied to Enethir. Weird.
You did - but it often happens in the forum that people are replying to one person, but they don't actually click on the post that they're replying to. Before commenting, I looked to see who you gave the lingot to, and it wasn't Enethir. (At least it wasn't showing when I saw your post. I see that it's showing there now.)
But for the record - Enethir is always great to see on this forum. I agree.
You definitely do a great service to the community, so don't let a few ungratefuls ruin your mood.
I think people don't realize how much work goes into putting out content. I know that when I post answers to questions, or participate in discussions, it takes no small amount of effort. I'm usually worn out after a few posts, so brevity is to be expected when answering a lot of questions as you do.
And complaints about links are unwarranted. Duolingo's forum is not a dedicated QA site like stackoverflow, so it is just common sense to link to external resources. As you said, a lot of questions/complaints are very frequent.
I think I will need to start using the web version of Duolingo more often. I have primarily used the app, so I don't often see the forums unless I am bored on my PC. I wonder if more p ople would help if only the rest of Duolingo's features were implemented on the app.
Thanks for posting that. I agree.
In the "Duoling Esperanto Learners" group, I often spend 30-60 minutes thinking about an answer and trying to write it as clearly as possible. I treat every question like a serious one, unless it's obviously meant to be a joke or sarcastic. But then I often wonder what happens to those answers afterwards.
FWIW, I've always enjoyed reading your comments. I can see why some people might find your style a bit... abrupt?... but the content is always helpful.
Speaking of which:
It's only online that I come off this way. I know I come off this way, and I don't need people to tell me this.
Congratulations Salivanto you have been promoted from my personal tutor to my personal King. LONG LIVE KING SALIVANTO!
And like I said, let's not get carried away. I said that I was accused of wanting to be "King of Esperanto" - not la reĝo de la esperantoj.
Whether you think Tomaso is rude or not, one thing you can know for certain is that the dude knows his stuff, so you can always trust his answers to questions about the language, whether here, on the Esperanto Stack Exchange, or in any of the groups on Facebook.
Ok maybe a bit over the top (at least not rude :-) i think you do a great job I always enjoy reading your comments.
Mi preskaux neniam legas tiajn regxgrandecajn rimarkojn, same kun cxi tiun. Sed uzi Esperanton parolante de la aferoj en formo konciza ne sxajnas al mi malbona ideo. Salutoj al cxiuj.(Memredaktita)
Pro la malbona gramatiko en via komento, mi kredas ke eble vi profitus, se vi komencus legi kelkajn klarigojn kaj informojn.
Time to time I watch your YouTube channel, and I didn't even know that person who runs that channel and answers on the forum is the same person.
P.S. The shirt with "I am silently correcting you grammar" is epic.
Leaving questions or other input unanswered may be frustrating for those that wanted a reaction. But what good will an unkind answer bring?Unfortunately the format of this forum is really bad too, because of the voting system which disturbs the order in which posts arrived. And seeing the votes here tells enough about the visitors to avoid this place. Desperanto more like. The one interesting feature of Esperanto is its creative potential. But no one could guess that looking at this here place, isn't it?
Well, I remember you not answering an input of mine, but rather showcasing it to a public, which is pretty rude, if I may say...Not that I am always as kind as I could be, even in real life. I remember you as being funny on top of competent before, and the facebook formats of Duolingo and your own group as being far nicer to use. But I quit facebook, so this was my only Esperanto place, but it somehow does not give it enough creative room here, as it deserves, I find. That is also due to lack of input by the people. Seems we are going along too well with the numbing effects, that too much Duolingo-like realms can bring...
If I knew the specific post you had in mind, I might have something meaningful to add at this point. I certainly hope I didn't say anything unkind in that specific post. It's not clear to me what "showcasing it to a public" means.
I can't find it either. I was of course voted by the dogs. It was a sort of made-up phrase, trying to go horns first through a wall, like I sometimes try. Maybe I'll resort to reading more. Generally I think I have problems with the sound of the language. The logic though I find attractive.
Without knowing what I actually did or said, I don't think I can add anything meaningful, other than perhaps to adapt the copy-paste that I included in my OP.
- I'm sorry you found my method of replying rude. Could it be, however, that this perception happened as you read it? I would ask you for a little goodwill when you interpret a message which at first reading might seem rude to you.
Certainly, if anybody has a specific concern, I'll be glad to hear them out. I generally find it very difficult to change anybody's perception once it's been made, however.