https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DylanDaDevil

Concerning this thingy

"Ich denke, es ist ein sehr schoner Massagestil"

Why the comma after the Ich denke, and why does it form 2 seperate sentences with no conjunction, should it be Ich denke es ein sehr schoner Massagestil ist? why doesn't ist go to the end like most times there's 2 verbs?

September 7, 2019

17 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/grauer_Pilger

"Ich denke es ein sehr schöner Massagestil ist" is no German sentence, but you could say "ich denke, dass es ein sehr schöner Massagestil ist". When the verb moves to the end of the subordinate clause, you need to add the "dass".

And you need the comma to separate the two main clauses in your original example.

September 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Read the actual sentence the OP gave. The "ist" comes after "es" in this sentence. The OP did not mention the non German sentence you've commented on. The rest I have already said. Please read all of peoples' posts.

September 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DylanDaDevil

I used google translate for this so I believe the google translated sentence was correct. "ich denke, es ist ein..." you know the rest. If that's right then that would mean there is NO suboordinating conjunction word like there usually is. How would I know it's a subordinate clause when there's nothing to CLEARLY indicate it? any hints or tips?

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alpha3099

In my reading of the original post, the sentence that was pointed out as not a sentence was indeed included in Dylan's post.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DylanDaDevil

But what about the 1st example, does that work? I've seen sentences before that have no coordinating conjunction but they still act as 2 seperate sentences where they each have their own verb. How do I know that a sentence has 2 clauses when there's no conjunction, usually the 2nd verb goes to the end but for the 1st example it just comes right after. "Ich DENKE, es IST ein ....."

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/schokolade

Clauses are based on verbs. You can tell there are two clauses because there are two finite verbs (i.e. verbs which agree with the subject).

In this case, the second clause follows the word order for main clauses because it can stand alone as an independent sentence ("Es ist ein sehr schöner Massagestil").

If you were to add a conjunction to turn it into a subordinate clause (e.g. "ich denke, dass es ein sehr schöner Massagestil ist"), the second clause would no longer make sense as an independent sentence, so it would not be a main clause and would not use the word order for main clauses.

You can't say "Ich denke, es ein sehr schöner Massagestil ist" because the word order is wrong for a main clause and there is no subordinating conjunction or relative pronoun to turn the second clause into a subordinate/relative clause.

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DylanDaDevil

Thank you that helps a lot. Care to share any other examples of when a sentence would look like this? ""I think"" seems like it would always be a clause on itself.

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DieLegende2

Ich denke, ich glaube, ich meine, ich würde sagen, ich behaupte, ich vermute, ich nehme an...

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vu7xENbj

You are absolutely right, there is no "Konjunktion", so the komma is optional.

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MoritzB7

Ich hoffe, dass ich nicht zu spät komme.
Hauptsatz - Komma - Nebensatz beginnt mit "dass" (=Konj.)

Ich hoffe, ich komme nicht zu spät.
Hauptsatz - Komma - Nebensatz ohne Konjuktion.

Optional:
- ich hoffe nicht zu spät zu kommen.
- ich hoffe, nicht zu spät zu kommen.

TIPP: Nicht mit Kommas sparen! Die Kosten Euch keinen einzigen Lingot!


Highlander: There can be only one!

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vu7xENbj

Good point, I have to admit that I'm wrong about my understanding of the rule. Think I will have to overlook all the rules before posting again.

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Maybe if you post this in the German Forum, you'll find you get lots of replies! I am only going by all those grammar books and what German professors have told me. Maybe in "real life" you do put a comma. Keep asking and Alles Gute!

September 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hoges.110

Well I wouldn't put a comma after "denke" in this sentence either. If it was "dass es ein schöner..." etc, then a comma before the "dass" and the verb would go to the end.

September 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/grauer_Pilger

You definitely need the comma here.

September 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vu7xENbj

"Ich denke, es ist ein sehr schöner Massagestil" The Komma is not needed but you can use it if you want. Beide folgende Varianten sind richtig: Ich habe wirklich versucht, das zu verstehen. Ich habe wirklich versucht das zu verstehen. According to "Regel 4, Beispiel ohne Konjunktion" found in this link here: https://nachgeholfen.de/deutsch/zeichensetzung/die-kommaregeln-einfach-erklaert/ (You could also say: "Es ist ein sehr schöner Massagestil, denke ich" and in this case you need the Komma.)

September 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MonikaEggers

Actually the comma is needed. It doesn't matter if it's main clause + main clause or main clause + subclause, both require a comma. (Unless it's "main clause" + "and/or" + "main clause", then the comma is optional, and that's only since the spelling reform in the 90s.)

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vu7xENbj

Aha, danke; von der Rechtschreibungsreform hatte ich bisher nichts mitbekommen (ausser dass man angeblich Nomen kleinschreiben darf).

September 9, 2019
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