https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John228333

Don't worry about the hackers!

I see posts complaining about students who hack Duoligo to inflate their scores. Anyone can do this - the method can be found on YouTube. However, if there are enough group levels, the hackers will eventually promote themselves into higher groups which will be fully made up of other hackers. Imagine a student who finds that they need 6000 xp just to avoid being demoted! Could I suggest that these groups be called the "Tin" and "Brass" etc. This will leave the rest of us to continue doing what we set out to do - learn a new language.

September 9, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RicoT

I'm torn between feeling sorry for them and being amused by them. Some are destined for early nervous breakdowns. I've seen it before on other platforms far less addictive than Duolingo.

The cheaters thrive on attention. When the attention wanes, so does their bad behavior. They also derive pleasure from the attention they get from our complaints about them. That's why I try to avoid talking about the leagues. Let Duolingo figure out the fix.

For those hard-core, dedicated DL non-cheaters grinding out crazy XP who think they are doing themselves a favor by spending an inordinate number of hours on DL doing lesson after lesson, take some breaks. Research the physical and psychological hazards of internet addiction.

Examine what other parts of your life you may be ignoring. Wouldn't it be sad if you end up being able to speak a foreign language, but have no friends in your life with whom to speak it?

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WASHEDINTHEBLOOD

well, If people cheat for xp on Duolingo, it isn't profiting them anything. So even though they are cheating, they are wasting their own time learning nothing. non cheaters and hackers aren't helping themselves. they are just in the toilet paper league.

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/..rowan

I had to give a lingot- 'toilet paper league' XD

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jordan571880

What kind of toilet paper?

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UntitledGoose

used

September 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/notsquirr3l

facts

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stan31337

I don't know if it's good or bad, but I spend a lot of time each day on Duolingo. One skill from zero to golden per day. I am very limited in time and have to pass my German exam soon. I do understand that it has a lot of side effects, I'm trying to compensate them by regular deep sleep, nootropics (Piracetam) and Gym 3 times a week. Nevertheless I have huge failures like once or twice per month, I don't want to do anything. I would be very glad to read helpful advices! Thank you!

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marco_LoneWolf

@ Stan31337:
How can you do this to yourself at your young age? Piracetam is a very dangerous drug with very dangerous side effects. You use it as a doping for your learning - that's totally inappropriate! If your health means something to you, keep your hands off these medications!
Greetings from Marco (specialist of toxicology)

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ateo977160

Hi Stan. Just keep going and making progress at your own speed in whatever way is most enjoyable for you.. Buena suerte. (I gave you a meaningless up vote and a meaningless lingot.)

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stan31337

Thanks a lot!

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NRPL123

Please be careful about using medications!

My advice is to find audio to practice listening before your exam, if any part of it will be presented as audio. Listening helps to get your "ears turned on"! If you don't know anyone to practice with, here are some recordings online which might be helpful https://www.thegermanproject.com/stories https://www.jesusfilm.org/watch/jesus.html/german-standard.html

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stan31337

Thanks for the links!

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VincentUri1

What has a lot of side effects? Huge failures regarding what?

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stan31337

I meant the amount of time I spend studying language has a lot of side effects. Failure days is that I just don't do anything, neither language lerning nor work... But the next day I get back to that extreme pace again.

P.S. Sorry if I am being hard to understand. English isn't my native language. My mother tongue is Russian. And sometimes I cannot easily express what I'm thinking. The main thing about the German language complexity is that it's very expressive language, but difficult...

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zehutiman

Actually, your English is very good.

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

As long as you have a healthy balance, you're probably fine. At least short term. I tend to do exercises while watching tv. I watch tv in the evening anyway, and the tv distracts me enough I can do twenty an evening sometimes.

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ateo977160

That good advice, RicoT. I'm amused by how passionate people are about those who run up their xp, and all the time wasted writing about it.

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

Exactly. In the last half hour I've spent reading the discussion page, I could have done another dozen lessons.

September 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/denisemelv1

For people who cheat I believe it is more an obsessive behaviour. They cannot stop themselves wanting to be at the stop, no matter how pointless the pay off is. These people would probably repeat the same behaviour wherever there is competition. I agree they are more to be pitied. The only worthwhile reward is learning another language, that really deserves bragging rights!

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KitandWill

Very deep comment, love your use of words. Have you been using storybird??

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LorenaMGB

I couldn't agree more.

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LasCicatrices

Instead of "Tin" and "Brass", we should just call the hacked leagues "Cheap Plastic" - that probably describes the quality of their studies anyway.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Or Trash and Crash Leagues, or Plastic and Drastic, endless ideas :-)

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ponygrlrider31

That is kind of a funny nickname... :)

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Himmelbeere

The Tin and Brass Leagues - haha! The trouble is, then they would somehow become prestigious. But you are right Linda - the hackers would go crazy trying to outdo each other! Great idea John! ☆

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/.Sierra117

you're so right, Schultz :)

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Himmelbeere

Why, thank you Sierra! ;)

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/efdbombero20

Why insult plastic like that?

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Efd. Cos plastic is killing our planet! And swamping our oceans. I enjoyed your irony tho! :-)

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FionaOnDuoL

Only if you throw it away. How about washing it and reusing it fir a change? Plastic can be very useful.

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

It's still not going to be usable forever. Then it will start crumbling and end up anywhere after all.

September 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KitandWill

Plastic is killing our future grandchildren soooooo...

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/stewacide

I'd find leagues more motivating if it tried to match me with people learning the same language at about the same level.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NRPL123

If you just keep going at your rate, is the next week better? It seems like every time I am "promoted," at first I am in a group with people who get over 1000 points a day. I just keep going at my rate, and it seems like the next week I am in a group that is more "my speed"! I guess all those super fast people move on up, as the original post in this thread says.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

I don't aim to be in the top three (where the cheaters always are), I just focus on being in the top 10. I rarely have to spend too much time on it. Sometimes I'll pick one person and compete with them exclusively just for fun.

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HannahBlue2002

Not always, I have been first place in my league and I don't cheat, I don't even know how :)

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

I'v never bothered to look into it either. Why bother? Without cheating I can get into the top 10 and often get into the top 5 without really stressing myself. I've won a few times, but it's not world-ending if I don't.

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Quite so.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

Give it enough time they'll probably add that eventually.

September 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judy_Blue_Eyes

I refuse to participate in leagues. I am at peace with that.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/T1tter

Wise decision!

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The9

At first you might think this is the hackers fault for abusing the site. But if you think about it, this is actually the fault of the Duolingo team. The ONLY way to prevent hackers is on programming level. I watched one of the "tutorials", and it's based on exploiting a security weakness in the programming code written by the Duolingo team. As long as it's possible to do so, there will be some people who will do it. Yes, those people are stupid abusers, sure. But really, unless the Duolingo team deals with this it will not be solved.

Uh uh uh, you didn't say the magic word

Also let me take the opportunity to point out that the whole "League" system is - even without security weaknesses - NOT promoting language learning, but on exploiting the site in other ways, not on programming level, but on system level. The league system encourages using the site to do lessons in a language you already know since that is promoted higher (gives more xp per unit of time) than using the site in a way that actually shows learning progress.

So, while we can complain, report suspected hackers, scream our lungs out, you name it, it will not really solve anything until the Duolingo team decides to actually do something about it.

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

Rather like the flawed "downvote to hide" system that allows the 'deletion' (by the anonymous) of rule compliant threads; here is another weapon that Duolingo deploys to arm the unscrupulous.

I was looking at the Android update this morning Duolingo was challenging me to top the leagues. I'd better go on Youtube then...

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WASHEDINTHEBLOOD

THE9 you are quite right. I didn't realize that

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jaetten

Watched jurassic Park last night. The pic is brilliant!

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

Yes, but it also makes a joke of the people that do that. What can the cheaters gain but wasting their life. Just don't worry about winning the league and you're fine.

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/notsquirr3l

they could use a token for a lesson & just expire it once used & then they can't bot it the same way /shrug

September 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rjlanguage

This is my first time ever visiting the discussion group. I never thought about people hacking their XP, that is a narcissistic behavior. I've been doing Duolingo and just Spanish for 578 consecutive days and have never missed a day. It's just discipline. My XP as of this writing is 49,377 or roughly 85 XP per day. Crowns are 360. For me since I'm far older than most, I actually planned on and am increasing my ability to speak Spanish. It's consistent incremental improvements over time. I used Rocket Spanish prior to using Duolingo Spanish and completed Level One or Premium after 6 months. I traveled abroad etc but struggled tremendously with Level Two or Premium Plus. It was me not the program. So I started Duolingo 579 days ago and currently I feel extremely comfortable with what I've learned and my ability to apply it. Do to the way I think I just need more basic grammar exercises etc like what Duolingo has. After doing Duolingo 6 months I revisited Rocket Spanish Level Two or Premium Plus and it was very easy for me. It took 2 months to complete. After I did Rocket Spanish Level Three or Platinum and it was fairly easy taking 2.5 months to complete all the exercises and I easily retained most offered by both Duolingo and Rocket. I use Duolingo daily for the structure it provides. It sure makes learning conversational Spanish and tenses far easier. I use Rocket as time allots because I can speak conversationally very well and have traveled to many Spanish speaking countries with ZERO issues. So for me I'm all about NOT CHEATING. I know this was a rant but those that cheat are only hurting themselves which I find incredibly stupid and irresponsible. For the rest of you just be honest with yourself and be consistent. Eventually your brain will go okay I'll retain this...

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

Having been that high in consecutive days, I have to tell you, despite not being addicted to Duolingo, you will cry when you mess up and forget a couple days. :)

September 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Donald631

i enjoy a little competitiveness. just a little. i'm not very competitive but it can be fun. this on the other hand takes the fun away. i don't even get the point of it. there is no big prize at the finish line. just bragging rights. even if you win fairly bragging rights still don't mean much. it just means you have a lot of free time.

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RangerOfTheNorth

YouTube has videos on how to hack a language-learning website?!

And more importantly, there are people desperate enough to actually do that?

September 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kwidaconundrum

to be fair, youtube has videos for far more ridiculous things, and secondly, i want to believe these are just children who are abusing an exploit. the e-points don't necessarily have to be for bragging rights either, but instead, just because.

September 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RooTurboMoth

I mean, I've audited language classes that grade your Duolingo participation. The more XP you have the more credit you get, so it really encourages cheating in this sense. For some, it gets to the point where it is no longer about learning a language but passing a class (usually with a C+ at most). At that point, though it probably would have been better to just do the homework.

September 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

They pass the class yeah, but then they'll do something stupid like putting that language on their resume or mentioning it in a job interview.

September 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

There are people desperate enough to actually go to the time to make youtube videos on it?

September 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeterAusti2

The videos are more to highlight the issue and also "teach" other kids with squeaky voices how to "hack".

If you think about it - it's good. Because it's like free QA for duo. A child figures out how to cheat, so they can fix it. Then another loophole will be found. Patch that.

I do not think it is a priority, because it does not affect the people that are using the site to learn.

Only the people who care about leagues and xp.

September 15, 2019

[deactivated user]

    It is such a shame that people even think about hacking a learning site like this one. Kudos to you for noticing what many people were probably oblivious too.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DuoIsstEis

    To test if someone cheat :

    -Go on https://duome.eu/profilName -Clique "RAW" and you'll see when he finished each lesson he did

    -With the youtube method several lessons will be finished at the same second, so it's easy to spot.

    -If that's the case you can go here https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/requests/new and select abuse

    -Note that if they use something more complexe they can still trick duolingo into believing they are doing 10 hours of lessons by day (like with an autoit script), but it would be so useless. There is nothing usefull to win after all

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady330

    Well seems like this methodology could be pretty much automated, at least just to heuristically add in possible suspects, then each case could be reviewed either individually or warned automatically / banned if the behavior is repeated. However, extreme caution must be taken with this in order to avoid false positive results.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jerembo

    To be perfectly honest, The Leagues should be measured in crowns AND XP. That way it's not a matter of someone just practicing the same material that they know by heart over and over and over again.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/miaou-meow

    yes+++

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S.Eleni

    You're absolutely right John, I personally wouldn't call them "students" though, they're not learning anything. May I suggest a "Lead" league to reflect the toxic environment they've put themselves in.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZaxEncoded

    Somebody suggested the "Toilet Paper League". My vote goes to that, or simply the "Toilet League".

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KimberlyWi24914

    I don’t think anything would happen if you did report the hackers. I’m in the pearl league now and was content to finish at #30 yesterday. Yesterday’s winners in my group...the top 10...all had scores of almost 50,000 XP each. It’s inane.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RicoT

    IMO reporting is useless unless it makes the person filing the report feel better.

    DL is one of the most efficient, data-driven organizations around. There are certainly better (and statistical) ways to identify cheaters than by reporting, and DL I bet uses them.

    There should be no doubt that Duolingo has already identified the problem they have with outliers and are trying to deal with it. It's basic statistics and it's not complicated.

    In the meantime sit back and enjoy watching foolish people engage in pointless activity for meaningless awards. I think of it as entertainment.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jairapetyan

    Yes, certainly DL has identified the problem but in my opinion they won't bother to deal with it. Why should they spend their resources policing these idiots?

    As long as the DL team is known to throw a curve ball every once in awhile, they might just take one of John or Linda's suggestions and rename a top league. That would be so funny!

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

    Rico. Oh, wonderfully put. Hackers competing against hackers! One can't help laugh. A lot.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RicoT

    Watching these people grind out thousands of XP daily by hacking or mindlessly running scripts is like going to the zoo and watching the monkeys do repetitive tasks for peanuts.

    In both cases the rewards are the same -- peanuts.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    I'm dying over here. The cheaters are cheating against the cheaters. That's funny. I'm thinking you could probably get out of that group by waiting a day to do your first lesson. Or you could do us all a favor and report them all.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nerdimatio

    honestly i'm not invested in the leagues enough to really care too much

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VincentUri1

    Tin and Brass league ahahahhaa. Maybe just the trash league.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ryan348217

    True

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/N.Hilary

    So, what is the deal with Leagues? I find myself in the group to be promoted, and for some strange reason, I don't get promoted. I don't really care. I am doing this to review several languages that I am already proficient in speaking. Just to brush up. Actually, I would like to be able to encourage the others that I am following and those that are in my league. I had to learn these languages the hard way - long before computers and the internet. Back in the day, when we had to actually study and take tests and stand on our own merits. Still, I am doing this because, I just can't help it - I love learning languages!!!

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/.Sierra117

    i wouldnt call it hacking, so much as effectively "taking advantage of a fluke in the website." Hacking requires actual coding and decoding; something most people cant do. it's not a huge achievement to glitch out the site and call it "hacking". Also I dont want to sound all cocky and know it all. I just want to point out that these people dont realize what they arent supersmart because they watched a youtube video.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PeterAusti2

    We used to have leagues for hacking Unreal Tournament.

    So many people were cheating at the game, that we decided to hold competitions to see who was the best at cheating. The idea was to write the best aimbot and basically just sit back and watch the competition be annihilated.

    The gaming industry now is moving towards "shadowbanning" people into leagues/servers where they can only compete against other verified cheaters.

    However... most of the major games devs don't care about cheating - they care about earning money. I hacked my way into the world top 50 at Metal Gear Solid 5 in order to show how easy it was to exploit their cheap multiplayer system. Didn't make many friends and they didn't change anything (they did it again...) so it's kinda pointless. I stopped playing.

    One thing that cheating or hacking does for me is take away all the fun because I have defeated the game/system. Once this is the case, there is no longer any challenge as I have a shortcut to win.

    However, as you have rightly said - winning here is learning, which is something that cheaters and hackers will never attain, due to the nature of language acquisition.

    I do not know what the big deal is about cheaters/hackers.

    Ignorance is bliss.

    Just ignore them and get on with your duolingo and language learning.

    Really... who gives a toss about other people's ineffectual failings? Especially when they have no effect on your life whatsoever, unless you allow it.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Isaac253454

    Imagine if you lived next to a wonderful public park. You enjoy this park very much. Now imagine that a group of kids start frequenting the park with the sole intent of flinging the swingset around and getting it tangled and unusable.

    Now, this doesn't exactly take away your ability to enjoy the park and just ignore them, sure, but they aren't doing anything actually productive and just make a certain feature of the park inert for everyone else.

    Now it's really easy to see how certain people could get a bit peeved over this.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MedusasKimono

    Well said!

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexBelche3

    honestly i don't really care about the hackers, they aren't really learning anything and that's what duolingo is for, for the most part. they're missing out on the chance to become a polyglot, and who doesn't want to be able to talk to more people?

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/babak143903

    I try to use duolingo.com to learn a language. If someone else using it for another purpose that is their choice. They don't worry me.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/David47337

    I read a lot of posts that concern the leagues and it is mostly about exorbitant xp accumulations. The leagues were fun for me in the beginning I have to admit, but now it really loses its flair. I started Duolingo with a purpose and goal and to learn a language. It has been difficult and it is slow going.

    I get my haircut at a place where English is not even close to the first language spoken. One afternoon they were speaking and the woman cutting my hair asked if I could understand what they were talking about. I said they were extremely busy on Monday and they stayed late to finish up and didn’t go home until nine that evening. She said I was correct.

    That was a huge win for myself and doesn’t compare to any league win or moving up in league league levels. Doulingo is my base learning and accompanied with writing down over and over again words, watching Spanish television on occasion as well as practicing with Spanish speakers when available.

    I say concentrate on what you are doing and ignore distractions that can be counterproductive.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

    Hi John. Your post turned out to be a good read. The tin and brass rather amused me, imagining all the hackers battling to hack themselves to top spot. Be well!

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GannonPryo

    Imagine needing to cheat on a language learning website

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    Imagine where else they're probably cheating.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kathygeorge

    Thank you for this thread! I admit, it was driving me nuts. I'd be working diligently and check my score, only to notice that someone else had gone up a thousand or more points in the same period. And the week before last, someone had over 23,300 points in one week! I didn't know about the YouTube hacking video. Sheesh!

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Carron.

    I find the best test of what I have learnt is try and use it; speaking, listening to radio, watching films etc. Whatever my score, my limits are clear to me, as are my gains. :)

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Msanjose1

    kathygeorge - You might find a helpful solution to your issue regarding leagues at my post at https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33984285.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    I just report them when I see them and pick a none cheater above me to compete with.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul_Harker

    I agree not to worry, and to realize that the "fun" will wear off after a while and although there will always be some, for the most part the playing field will level after a few weeks.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uphilldweller

    "the "fun" will wear off after a while"

    New students and therefore new hackers join Duolingo every day. Round and round we go.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul_Harker

    Sure, there will always be a few newbies, but the novelty will soon be gone for the majority.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    Yep, and eventually they'll end up in the same league and we'll get to watch the cheaters cheat against other cheaters. And they'll have wasted their lives for no gain, probably without ever learning a new language.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SerGlendor

    This can easily be solved by implementing a report system, but I don't think duolingo gives a ❤❤❤❤. Also who the duck cheats on this platform? What's there to gain lmao

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bwjunkie

    they are learning a new language too! probably python or javascript.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DuoIsstEis

    There are websites to learn ethical hacking, it's legal and don't bother other people : https://www.root-me.org

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bwjunkie

    I don't see how it "bothers" anyone. If anything it seems to be giving people an outlet for their anxious energy. And gives them a moon to shoot for.

    September 14, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JessicaDun8187

    i barely got to 1500xP in a week last week i average around 2500-3000 depending on how much time i spend on Duo. i was sort of busy last week or was distracted too much to do a lot. but i see people going for 2000xp in about 24-30 hours. like i don't even do that in about 4 days lately.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    The max I can do is about 1000 a day lately. And I've been trapped inside today, so I'm somewhere around there. I have pulled off 2000 in a day (I had a job with no supervision and nothing to do, it was 8 hours a day + 2 1hr bus trips of Duolingo, newspapers, books and jigsaw puzzles). But I agree that wasn't particularly healthy and I quit that job eventually as a result.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stergi3

    These guys are idiots. Don't give them a dam. It's a matter of time to balwnce your learning path. It doesn't have to do with leaderboards not whatever, which is for kids and teenagers, but a personal goal each time. "I must learn.... In one week" or *In a month". This the personal-oriented method and motivation. I tested it band it worked on me. I am in Sapphire level, and if it goes well, I will stay. My personal goal is 150 XPs a day. I try to keep it.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stergi3

    I will tell you a tip to arrange things and boo these cheaters.

    Write a small message up to 32 characters changing your name temporarily. I wrote one already: "Don't be stupid. Slowly!"

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WinterSoldier.

    Very well said. Eventually they will destroy themselves!

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Raprice

    What a great idea, you have my support! :)

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Samson547372

    but Tin is a wonderful metal

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ajwako

    Duolingo should remove the leagues and avoid the negative consequences altogether.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jaetten

    I think you're right. People either cheat because they resent their lack of ability, or because they thrive on making others feel bad. I find it a nice compliment that people feel the need to cheat, makes me quite happy knowing they are cheating to 'beat' a dyslexic.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roccolingua123

    I don't quite understand it! Duolingo is an amazing website used to learn a new language for free and enrich oneself with the satisfaction of learning something different and foreign. Sure, the leagues are cool, and create a nice challenge, but to hack Duolingo to get to the top???? If it's a website that teaches languages, does that include Javascript??? NO!

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iloveGod1010

    hacker always cheet of course so they learn nothing so it is better beacuse we try harder to beat them so we learn more

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kairos888

    I temporarily was in the Amythyst league and the leader had racked up 6,000 XP in a week with total of >100,000 XP and only 9 crowns in Spanish. What's the point?

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/yetanothername

    Roughly 24 hours into the new week and the #1 person in Amethyst is already over 3000. That's about 130 xp an hour, not taking any time off for sleep.

    Yeah, I'm not going to try to get promoted this week.

    Some amount of competition is a good incentive, but IMO too much could lead to burnout.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/smentzer7

    In the Pearl League, on day three the top two are 4500+. I just try to do 100 to 400 a day.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    Same. I almost always do 100 a day, and jump to 400 on weekends or if I do it at lunchtime too.

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    Don't worry about the top person. You just need to be in the top 10. What is the 10th person currently at? I've never seen 10 cheaters in one group (3 is the max I've ever seen). If I ever saw 10 in one group I'd laugh my head off watching them.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    I used to do 2000xp a week. I had a job where I wasn't monitored and had nothing to do but play online for 8 hours a day + 2 hours on the bus (it was more useful back then). Duolingo was one of the main things I did for two years. Along with reading a novel a day.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JessicaDun8187

    last week i got promoted to amythyst and got stuck at around 26th place. we'll see this week since i have a little bit more time to myself. but i think #1 in my group already has 1500 xP +

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anthony337257

    I’m in the same boat!

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dawn704655

    At that point, I'd probably deliberately drop back a few.

    September 15, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GachaDusk

    o yes i have been hacked on Duolingo.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KATELYNN3051

    really I feel so bad I have been hacked on tinycards (another duo lingo site)

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MonsieurLeBleu

    Thanks for explaining this - naively I believed there were super students managing to complete 1000+ XPs a day -

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RicoT

    There are legitimate ways to earn 1,000 or more XP in a single day. Each person's circumstances are different.

    For example, a retired person who has previously studied the language and is using DL as a refresher, and who has a lot of time on his hands throughout the day, and is in a hurry because he has a trip planned in a couple of months, can earn 1,000 XP in a day working the tree.

    I don't think these are the kind of people we're talking about.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kilroy16

    I agree, I was online for more than an hour yesterday, just so that I could earn enough xp to move up another league and when I did that I had earned more than 1,000 xp for the week. (honestly, I had earned more than 300 xp yesterday alone so that I might keep up with advancing to the next league, and I'm not inflating my xp.)

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Liadelilly

    Do you think they also deflate others? I cannot find these golden owls under my trees some of you have spoken of. I remember getting one, maybe two, but they arent visible anywhere.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jairapetyan

    I don't see what would motivate anyone to "steal" progress away from another user. You probably don't have your Spanish owl anymore because they added a lot more skills to the Spanish tree. You will have to get all those skills to level one to re-gain the Spanish trophy. You can monitor your progress here: https://duome.eu/Liadelilly

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kilroy16

    You may have gotten one, however, whenever they update a language skill, they remove it from your lessons learned/practices (whatever you want to call it) and then you have to redo it to reclaim your golden owl (they did an update to my French lessons like that, and totally cleared my entire tree of earned crowns) and when they did that, I lost my golden owl. ...It wasn't hackers, it was updates to my french lessons that wiped my golden owl out.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/outofordersorry

    Oh 100%

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FinnWaters1

    I will always worry about the hackers

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wingsoffirebro

    we don't need high scores on doulingo, just learn your frickin language people

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LyudmilaGo11

    Frankily, I don't even care about scores or Lingots: I just want to learn some languages!

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jacqueline436891

    That is why I down loaded DuoLingo; is to learn another language. Learning is so much more important then some drummed up score.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SSarantos

    I decided to do just that when they added more levels. There is no way I would be able to learn enough to get to the top ten in these. I'm happy enough staying with a more sane group of people. The final level is some sort of black hole. Emerald is better already after that first week of madness.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ivan351547

    Those are words of wisdom, John. Certainly, it would be a great idea: to create a group of competition only for people who just care about scores. Poor guys! I think they don't have a life to enjoy or a job or friends... And what is even worse: they are not learning anything. Sorry If I made some mistakes, English is not my mother tongue. Although English is not my main goal right now, I don't want to forget it completely. And this is a perfect opportunity to practice, so I take it to express my adhesion to your idea, which more than once I had also thought to propose. I am very glad to see that someone else shares my idea. Have a good day and let me tell you that you have a new follower.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BoPh55687

    ok

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kayla383602

    Just make strong passwords and and change it sometimes when u think something fishy is happening. If they hack using other methods ... I guess your on your own. lol

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LilacDaGenji

    You really not thinking this through. The person means the leagues, not your account, so your account is safe.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LilacDaGenji

    Yes, this is annoying, but what happens when you get to Diamond and you need 6000 XP to get out of the demotion zone?

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/denisemelv1

    6000! Is diamond the last zone? I am never going to make it and i really don't care. I will continue to work at my own pace and sorry but that also includes repeating lessons to consolidate learning.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DannyBagoc

    nice

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/a-ahmed13

    despite how ugly their actions are, i actually find them being there is ammusing they are raising the competence in the league as they are chasing the lingots and the shiny place, on the other hand those who just want to advance strugle to keep place in the first ten, so learn and practice more lets enjoy them being here till Duo finds a way out to fix this issue.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dennis476311

    I agree

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IraRavid

    am i missing some prize? why bother doing this?

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LuzMariaTu

    I had no idea this was a thing! Thanks for sharing :)

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CjTKTd

    Tin and Brass lol. Last Sunday I saw someone go from 'demotion zone' to top of the board with over 7000 points within an hour! I managed 22xps lol

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdeptApril

    Duolingo has a bunch of visual locks on screen to show all the leagues you haven't gotten to. Everywhere else in Duolingo is about gamification where you're attempting to unlock one part or another.

    Unfortunately with leagues, it's not like the rest of Duolingo -- you can't go at a sane pace and complete them; you are constantly in a rat race.

    So, while I don't approve of the cheating, there wouldn't be anything to cheat about if the feature didn't exist. I'm of the opinion that, while the leagues increase engagement, it's a toxic feature.

    I'm just sad that turning it off (as I have) currently also turns off leaderboards with friends, whom I can directly talk to if they're cheating. And, if they're not cheating, they can share a story about the work they've been putting in.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Msanjose1

    AdeptApril - You might want to check out this post at https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33039989. Options 2 and 3 would allow you to turn off the leagues but be able to continue seeing the people you are following and are following you. I have not tried Option 3 but I know for sure Option 2 works. Good luck.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdeptApril

    Ah, yeah, thank you for that. I did consider going the option 2 or 3 routes, but I wanted my non-participation noted in whatever stats Duolingo has. I also want it to work in the app.

    But it's a good reminder (as I had actually forgotten), and options that I may choose in the future.

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DwightFairfield

    Cheating really doesn't help you with anything, you aren't learning anything and all you're doing is getting lingots..Which are useless since you only use them to help with learning a language. So what they're doing is pretty dumb.

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hannah_bea2

    Honest, now that I think of it, why do people even care? We will end up doing better than them anyway. I wonder if they want to be high in Duolingo for bragging rights, or to practice hacking, which I am fine with as long as my account is not touched! :)

    September 14, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ryan348217

    How about the "dirt league"?

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LilacDaGenji

    I agree, checking out first place, already has 600 XP, then check his all time, his XP is 137,000.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/scarcerer

    That could easily be legitimate, depending on how old his account is. My one day record (not counting testing out) is about 600 XP, and there are people like this who likely used Immersion when it was available. Even without Immersion it would only take a year or two to get to 137 000 XP if you are able to get a couple of hundred XP every day.

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Slothful_99

    yes I agree with John but on my other account I was just in ruby but the top person had over 2500xp in the first day and had over 14000 by the time the season ended so I got demoted because everyone was trying to catch up to him.

    September 9, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KitandWill

    i am so sorry but i do not really understand

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SophiaTinetti

    Hackers: I'm... out

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chartreux

    I believe the whole problem could be fixed by requiring that the microphone and speaker be on. Duolingo could simply lock these features when scoring points for the league challenges. Or are they putting in recordings ?

    September 10, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlgK6e

    Duolingo (Spanish) can be extremely repetitive and boring. Racking up points to compete is the only thing motivating me to drag myself through some of it. I've been at it for about ten days, and I leveled up evenly on unlocked skills, all to 1, then all to 2, etc. I found that when I returned to the top to level up each topic to 3 and then 4, It was so much easier than what I had been doing, farther down the page but at lower levels, that I just blasted through it, doing 1000 points an hour. Disappointing programming. I do cheat, however, out of laziness: I never bother to capitalize and, what will catch up with me as a learner, I can't be bothered with accents. All marked right.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ROBERTSIMP977466

    ok

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nolaroo

    It is really sad to see this continuing problem of users just using the league/leaderboard platform to scam points. It takes away from the rest of millions of people that are honestly trying to learn a language. We have ZERO chance of earning a rewarded 1-3 position! Even when I study for hours using a combo of stories, and exercises, or even just stories over and over there is NO WAY to achieve the kinds of points some of these users are racking up. Granted the real reward is in the learning itself, but hey, who doesn't appreciate having earned a few lingots achieving many hours of studying. I've seen this issue week after week, league after league. This week I took a picture. look at the time remaining, the first three leaders point values, and calculate how many points per minute that equates to! No way! Not possible. I sleep very little naturally, am retired, and even if I sat doing the same story that is that fastest/shortest to complete there is no way I racked up that many points! And for those that are familiar with the YT vids on how to scam the system. Many of those methods no longer work, and it certainly doesn't work if you are a MAC user. I suppose I could make an app that would run the code and spank the crap out of them running the app 24/7 just to teach them a lesson, but I figure they don't have enough ethics to even care much less learn anything. /Users/noellerussow/Desktop/IMG_4437.PNG

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rld-sp

    Cheek! - perhaps other people work harder than you - that doesn't mean they are hacking it.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iloveGod1010

    this is about hackers possibly you are protecting them beacuse you might be a hacker yourself people don't know i bet your not always first also if your not first atleast you tried to do as much as you can

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas321700

    I mean is this really that big of a problem I was in the top league for a few months and got first every week without cheating. Fact is that it is just more important to learn a language for some people than others. Just because a few people on the web did it doesn't mean its a wide spread problem. Also, who cares in the first place the lingots mean nothing the leagues mean nothing. its just a learning platform.

    September 11, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PandACT

    My first few weeks of trying to get promoted were frustrating, but after a few consecutive rounds of failing, even if they weren't hacking, I decided to sit comfortably in Ruby... I think most of the posts are people who get into it for a while, then get busy with something else. (Admittedly, the same way I do it mostly)

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iloveGod1010

    i is hard to get promoted to another league to me and hackers do so much fake xp so ye it will be hackers against hackers so they will be bothered that there are other hackers so that they cant always win by cheeting they will be annoyed beacuse they usually win then they dont always win beacuse thy hav worthy competeters that can do as much as they can do

    September 12, 2019

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Livy248936

    oh yea no i just use the website to learn languages those hackers must be very bored people

    September 14, 2019
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