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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZackarySilva

Progression from Beta?

Hello all–

Does anyone know when Latin will have more lessons added? They're great so far but I'm eager to see it develop!

September 17, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

Latin is one of those languages for which it's quite difficult to develop a good course on Duolingo - at least without some sort of idea of how to proceed.

So the mods were more testing the waters than anything else when they put out the Beta tree.

Last I heard, they were still discussing how best to start construction on the new tree - meaning that the mods and contributors themselves don't necessarily know when things will happen. I recommend just giving it time; they'll start on the new tree when they're ready. :)

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

That actually surprises me. The first tree looks so nicely thought out that I figured it was part of a masterplan that was all thought out. Either way, I'm sure the second tree will be great when we get it eventually. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tembo441

Don't ask. I did, with great enthusiasm to see more, and one of the Mods was very offish about it.

They're working very hard; it takes a long time; they need to get it properly Beta tested first; don't rush them.

Just say thank you, and all will happen in good time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ehartz
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I suppose the response you get is generally determined by your choice of phrasing. If you're clearly expressing eagerness and excitement ("I hope you can come out with new lessons soon!") instead of sounding demanding ("Get on with it!"), you're more likely to receive a positive response in kind.


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I suppose I should dispel some misconceptions here. Getting out of beta doesn't mean there will be new lessons added. A course graduates from beta once the proportion of reports received has reached a low level and remained stable for a certain amount of time. That means that most of the missing translations have been added and many (although not always all - we are all human!) errors have been addressed. Graduating from beta doesn't mean new lessons right away.

Once a course has graduated from beta, contributors can then go into maintenance mode - that means that we continue to review reports and add any more missing translations as needed, but most of the major issues have been addressed, so we don't get as many relevant reports that need addressing.

It's only then that contribs can really start planning an extension to a tree, and that doesn't happen immediately, either. The contributors have to discuss what skills they want to teach in the next iteration of the tree and the best way to structure those skills in order to teach most efficiently. Then contributors can begin adding words and sentences to the incubator and adding all the alternate answers that we can think of (but of course we miss some, no matter how hard we try!). Often, new tree versions then find people to alpha test the tree to help contribs add some more missing translations we hadn't thought of and/or point out any other bugs and errors, and only then can a new tree be released for testing.

We absolutely love your eagerness, and I can assure you that the Latin team is working very hard - but the Latin team (as well as every other language team!) would really appreciate everyone's patience as we work on extending/developing trees. There's a lot of behind the scenes work that you don't see, which is why things often seem to take longer than users think they should.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Larkspire

To add to this:

The first German tree was released at the same time as Duolingo itself, in 2012. The second version of the tree didn't appear until 2015, if I remember rightly. Of course, 2.0 trees are being pushed out much faster these days (I think Japanese got it in less than a year?) - but we all need to remember it's still a load of volunteer work.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

So, the more people send you report, the longer it stays in beta?

I really liked explanations about how it works on the hood.

Please, please, please, have the goal to make the Latin reach the level A1 at least.
I know it will be long and a lot of work, but I hope it's the expected goal, A1.

I noticed too people are very rude sometimes, and very impatient.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/InkPensive

Thank you so much for this explanation, ehartz. I was so excited to finally see an approachable online Latin course, and on my favorite language app. I finished it in about a month (maybe more?).

I am looking forward to the next iteration of the course. With regards to direction, if it's okay to make a suggestion, maybe aiming to equip learners with the content and skill to read Latin texts. Latin is unique in that it is mainly useful for reading. I know that's what I'd like to do.

Also, I am grateful for all the work you team has done. Could you update us on the incubator sometimes? I didn't even know these forums existed because they're not on the app, and I check the incubator almost once a week to see if my favorite language has written any new info to get me back into studying again.

Thanks!

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