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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danitaz

"Ho una cena."

April 22, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danitaz

While "ho una cena" is certainly directly translated to "I have a dinner", I can think of almost no instance where in American English a speaker would use the article here. "I have dinner" is the proper "translation" of this sentence in my mind. I had already missed this once, and neglected to comment, so I just sacrificed a heart to report it this time - :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/siebolt

"What are your plans for tomorrow night? I have a dinner" Not that strange, isn't it?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danitaz

That is still quite strange, and as an editor I would probably suggest to the writer that he does not "have a dinner". He might "have a dinner to attend", or "have plans for dinner", but he does not possess a dinner.

One of the biggest problems in learning language is that it's important to learn idiom and usage as well as well as structure. If I see an Italian sentence translated into "awkward" English, then I have to ask myself if the Italian I'm learning is perhaps awkward too. In the big scheme one might ask if it makes any difference, but I should not be told that "I have dinner" is incorrect for "ho una cena" because in everyday usage that's exactly what Americans would say. I always specify "American" because my British husband still says things after 18 years of marriage that are idiomatically quite different.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chris123456

Your excellent point underlines one of the enduring anxieties that has pervaded me as I have worked through duolingo. The frequent awkward translation into English does indeed beg the question of whether the Italian is similarly awkward. There is also an uneasy tension between the variable acceptance of idiomatic phraseology versus pedantic literal translation. As learners we cannot know and this feels uncomfortable. As for your British husband - I'm afraid there is no hope after 18 years! ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JustinBowen

Exactly. Thank you


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/roleme

i agree with you. duolingo translation is incorrect


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/darknerd

Yeah, you cannot quantify dinner, thus any counter "one, two, three" does not make any sense. Because you cannot use "one", you cannot use "a" as an indefinite article for "dinner". If an indefinite article is to be used, it has to be "some", as in "I have some dinner".

I don't know what the specific rule for this is, and it might be a Germanic language family thing, I do not know.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/asubrama

Just lost a heart. As someone who grew up with Indian English, followed by the UK and US variants more recently, I also consider "a dinner" to be an unusual phrase.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bbbindle

I agree with all of the above. I can speak to the English translation, and will put that in, but I can't speak to the Italian. Those of you who know Italian, is this good idiomatic Italian?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JustinGuy418

I guess I leave it as a common sense type of thing. If this were someone learning the language from a non latin-based language, it would be extremely confusing. But this is the general rule of thumb for most Latin languages that I have seen, so it was easy to spot the mistake.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BiancaPellet

So you can't have "I am having a dinner"? FFS.

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