https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Account and lingots for a child.

Hi.

I have a few questions about the way duolingo is working.

I have an account, to discover japanese. I tryed to create a second account for my son with the same mail adress but it doesn't seems to be possible. It will be great: in that case, I work with duolingo in english because Japanese isn't "learnable" (?) from french, but my son only speaks french and can't use an "english speaking" account. Also he's interesting about the "game" features and playing with my account isn't cool for him (I'm too strong, just like every dad in this world).

I was also wondering if it was possible for me to give him lingots directly. I spend time on duolingo so I have lingots but we (my wife and I) try to limit the time our children are spending on a PC, and he won't have many. For him, maintaining a streak means a lot, and he'll probably miss many days because of his awful parents. So I thought I coud give him lingots to freeze his streak and keep his motivation high, but I didn't find a way. Of course he can't discuss here...

Thanks by advance for your help.

October 5, 2019

30 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TellsTheTruth

Depending on his age, it may be beneficial for him to take a little responsibility here. If he does a lesson via the app he will earn his own lingots - for holidays away, etc. Otherwise he"ll place more importance on lingots, than learning the language. Of course you can always give him a "bonus" at your own discretion!

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

He's young. Of course the "real" way is better. The idea here is to counterweight the fact that I am the thing that limits him in his daily goal.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarinaStarfish

Your son (or you on his account) could comment on this very post, actually - that would be much easier than making a new post for the purpose of transferring lingots, and probably would run much less risk of downvoting issues or a moderator deleting it, since you've already explained here what's going on :)

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

The child has to be 13 to comment, so if not then s/he will have to get lingots the old-fashioned way, by earning them.

But perhaps the parents can set-up a Duo for Schools classroom:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27767037

https://schools.duolingo.com

https://forum.duolingo.com/topic/909

This will give more control to the parents. Plus, they can give more personal and real rewards for perseverance than just imaginary lingots.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Ho. I put his real age. That means I can't do the "answer this message" thing. To bad...

By the way, does your user name has something to do with the small fast critter with plenty of legs ?

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

Yes, the user name is definitely in honor of the best pest control in the world. :) This is what my first avatar here was:

I spotted her at 2am in a kitchen in North Portugal and proceeded to take numerous pictures while she sat frozen apparently hoping I had not seen her. But it was that session and the photos that came from it that cured my fear of them. :)


As for languages, I get that English is not your first choice but, as I travelled around the world I discovered that English links everyone across languages. And, as you have discovered it can unlock the Japanese and several other languages for him (and you). There are many people here learning languages from English despite it is not their native tongue. And learning English well, and early can only make it easier to learn other languages (plus give him a boost up in school which will give him confidence).

No kidding, I have taken Portuguese and Turkish [in-person] classes in the respective countries and the common language of the students from around the world, and what the classes were taught in was English. It's not just the Brits and those from the States who speak it now. It is one of the few languages that has more non-native speakers than native ones (French is another but even then the total of all French speakers is less than native English speakers). Universities too across Europe at least are taking in students from all over and teaching now in English.

Well, the other thing you will find out about children is they absolutely have their own ideas about things. Our job as parents is to raise competent adults and giving them language is one of those tools we can make available to them, but we cannot force them to learn (without messing up our relationships with them anyway).

And to that, "real age" is good. You are the role model so what message would it send for him to see you lie about his age so he could get imaginary rewards? =]

I wish you and your son good studies. :)

October 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Thanks.

As I said, I'm totally aware of the importance of English in modern world, but I have no doubt that my son will speak english rapidly (he's on a good way). Japanese was a kind of "bonus". But it's no big deal, the important thing is to give him the keys to learn by himself.

October 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

I just wanted to say that your username always makes me smile a little. I met one of the little critters on the Canaries some years back and though I was a bit freaked out (I generally like creepy-crawlies, but this one was so weird), I've loved them ever since. :)

October 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

Thank you for sharing with me Zia177448. :) What a great little anecdote. :)

Yes, I had no clue they existed when I saw my first one, who nonchalantly walked across my pillow while I was in bed. Turns out, "spider with too many legs" is a valid google search! :D I literally did not sleep for two nights. I was determined to not be afraid so I looked at pictures till my eyes hurt, and read all I could about them. Turns out they are harmless to humans but devastating to household pests like cockroaches, silverfish, and even bedbugs!

They are native to the Mediterranean but now worldwide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutigera_coleoptrata

Eventually I wanted to see another so I could get pics, but it was at least a couple years later before I saw my model above. Since then I've seen dozens and even picked them up (mostly to save them from not so understanding housemates). Now that I understand them they are comical and I adore them.

Here is another protecting the organic peaches:

It's so great that you see their beauty too and speak up for them as well. :)

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/w-weemo

Nice essay.

October 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judit294350

Why not just create a (dummy) email account on gmail? You don't need to give him access to it and he will be independent of your account.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

I already created another account, thanks.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Wow. Thanks all for the answers. I'll try to answer to those who want precisions but I already have some tips to gon on. Just have to verify the age limit. Thanks.

Edit: the other account can't post any message due to the age declared at first. Never mind. Thanks all.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

As far as I know, you will have to set up his account with a seperate e-mail address. (I know you want to set up an account of his own for him, but I just wanted to point out that it is possible to have an account in several languages. Just go to the language flag, click on "add a new course", select French where it says "I speak" and choose the course. Switching back and forth between the language flags will also change the language in which everything else is.)

He will have to comment on the forum (or you can do that with his account) and then you can give lingots to him on that comment. You will have to transfer them lingot by lingot though, rather than in bulks. You could change the privacy settings back to "no forum participation" after that.

The point of streaks is to get people into the habit of doing a bit of work on a language each day (which I think is a good habit to have). So while I think it is a good thing to limit the time kids spend on computers and mobiles, maybe you could set 10 minutes aside each day where he is allowed to do duolingo (which should be enough to maintain a streak if you don't set the daily goal too high).

Happy language learning to you and your son!

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Tnaks for the tip, I didn't notice it was possible to set a bilingual account. I now repetition is a good thing, but first, he also wants to use some "screens" in a recreative way (and we understand that), and it's really hard to limit that use from all the multiple sources that exists. The second thing is that days are juste 24 hours long, and life can be speed... We don't want to approve a daily use and see him to disappointed when we "physically" can't do it. Sort of.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ravenscreek

It’s true, there seems to be no Japanese for French speakers. If your son only speaks French, it will benefit him in the future to learn English, a language used in the market by a hundred fold. If you feel as if this will not be your approach, consider learning French to Japanese on other websites.

As for lingots, simply ask your son to make a post and give him as many as you’d like.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

In fact he is learning English. But we both would like him to discover Japanese, for many other reasons. Not a big deal for now.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

Make sure to "Follow" it so you can continue to bestow if it gets hidden by 5 down votes.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Janet240859

Be aware that followed but downvoted posts sometimes disappear for no obvious reason - if that happens on either account, you will have to create a new private post.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Carmen807459

No, it's not possible to have 2 accounts linked from the same email address. You could sign your child up for an email account, or use your wife's email.

The only way to transfer lingots is via the forum. I recommend making a post on your account, have him reply (this makes sure that both of you are "following discussion"), then ask others to downvote the conversation.

Once the conversation has 5 downvotes, it will disappear from public view. Now you have a private and secure way to transfer lingots to him.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Carmen807459

Actually, camerawoman's suggestion is simpler.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

Hello,

do you now live with your family in Japan?

Else I wonder what the benefit exactly is for a child to learn a language which he can't directly apply in life or with friends.

Grandparents?
Family?
Roots?

And I should know this very well as I have been learning Portuguese (Brazil) for 2,5 years and for now there are ZERO chances here in Germany to speak it :-)

No, I did not choose Portuguese first hand...this very beautiful language had chosen me back in October 2016 when I met again an acquaintance who I had not seen for a longer time, who was visiting my city for a while but now lives in Brazil as a photographer (since a longer time; interestingly he told me that he went to Paris before and lived there for 4 years).


If your family is living in France:

It probably takes a lot of efforts to have to learn Japanese without being able to understand any English.

Shouldn't the big goal be to teach him English first hand, so he can directly apply his knowledge in school and later in life?

You know, you can't really get around English anymore...

If your son just wants to "game around" and replace his Playstation/Nintendo or Smartphone and whatever kids are nowadays using, I can perfectly understand that "something unknown" like an Asian language with a new writing system might be more interesting than to start learning English ;)

Or maybe he has started already...

There is "Mondly kids" depending on the age of your son.

I am using it (the normal Mondly web portal with a sponsered Premium account) in parallel to Duolingo to learn and practice Portuguese (Brazil) and I like the frontend UI.

It is also available as a mobile app on smartphones...

There is much more choice than a few L1 base/languages...

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

I understand the post that way that the father is the one who wants to learn Japanese and the son wants to learn some other language that is available from French, probably English.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

Hi. Zia is right, my son is learning English on duo. And yes, English will probably be much more usefull ti him. But this was not our first choice, for many reasons.

First, here in France (we live here), children begin to learn English soon in school. Many people in our familly speak English and I have no doubt he will to when adult, even without duo.

The second thing is that discoverong a whole new way to consider language (new symbols that don't directly "make sense" for us, different "syllabic" alphabets...) was in my opinion a very rich thing to do for a child, useful not only to learn Japanese.

As it wasn't possible here, we chose to pick the English course, to "improve" his understanding of this language.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

FSI rates Japanese as a "category IV - super hard" language: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29518040/FSI-changed-their-estimates-for-German-and-French-and-added-Haitian-Creole-to-their-S3-R3-table

The difficulty factor (2,200h) in comparison to a Romance language (like Portuguese or Spanish with 600h) is 3,67!

And this is only classroom hours in a professional course.

I think that my "personal factor" (PF) for Portuguese to go with a self-study approach will be at least 2,5-3,0x.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Hi. I can't help with your Account queries but can give you the Duo guidelines on Lingots: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/22343370 I am sure all your questions will be answered by others very shortly. Happy learning.

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

It is easier to give several lingots with the Fierycat's "DuoMoreLingots" Tampermonkey userscript as there is a prompt which asks you how many.

If you do not have it, you can only give one lingot per button click.
Maybe holding the SPACE bar works to send more lingots faster?

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

Thanks, I had no idea that existed!

October 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/w-weemo

1.) Start pumping out some alt emails. Nobody will hurt you, and I recommend using protonmail for the privacy 2.) The only way to give one lingot directly is having him create a forum post and gifting him a lingot through that.

October 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/molo_molo

I have plenty of emails, to say the truth, the account was already created when I asked for precisions (that's a method that has proven itself on the field: act, then think...).

I also discovered that the only way was to pass by the forum. We can't thanks to the age barrier. Nevermind. Life goes on. We'll survive.

Thanks.

October 8, 2019
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