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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

Worst thing Duolingo has done in my 1720 day streak!

During my 1720 day streak, the worst thing Duolingo has done is institute the "Health" system! For a system based on learning through trial and error to penalize you for making a mistake is absurd. It is the first thing Duo has done that actually makes me consider letting my streak go.

October 8, 2019

109 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GlassSlippers

Use the web, not the app.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

I agree. That's what I am doing now.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SmashCookie

It's still a shame that one has to change the platform one is using. Changes should not limit these important aspects of the platform functionality.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wyqtor
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This is so true. I moved on from the app to the web version when they no longer allowed switching to typing on the app, after briefly implementing it. Still, the web version is a lot clunkier and lacks the main benefit of Duolingo Plus (downloading courses for offline use). So the differences in functionality between the different versions of the platform are really irritating.

Never got Health on Android or Web, and I rarely use my iPad for Duolingo (but even there, I didn't see it). Hope things stay that way (knock on wood!), because it is a truly annoying feature, especially for less-developed courses that lack some possible translations.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGamingSpheal

I use the web too, a lot of its functions are very nice.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NoOneIsOrigami

Good Job on your 1745 streak!

October 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/da_pug

It's what I'm doing too

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/K4ttan

And people forget you can use the web even on your phone. It's what I do. No interest in another unnecessary app.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zelol2

But the Web doesn't have speaking practices

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KyleAshton1

It does, if you go into your account settings. You need to enable the 'Microphone' option.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdrianC602

Unfortunately, I don't see a "microphone" option. (And. yes, my machine has a mic, and, yes, it works...)

"Account settings" just has name/email/speaker/soundfx/profile pic.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zak974086

Might be worth using your smartphone to access the web version and see if you get the options. I can't see that it would be language specific as the settings are global.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdrianC602

It's there in the settings on the phone... but not on the computer.

Odd, eh?

Not browser specific, either - it isn't there in Chromium or Firefox.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/K4ttan

It might not be available for all languages.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Wesley313329

It only works if you use Google Chrome browser. If I use Firefox or Edge, it never gives speaking practice.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/da_pug

It does

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Wilhelmyip1

A week ago, my android phone is unlimited life for all lessons and the lingots is the red one not the blue one. If i play it in my ipad that will change the lingots to blue colors and health systems. Once I am a Plus subscriber for 1 year, but i am boring with the league systems like a robot. Damn i miss class...

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roji-and-Salsa

Why? The big advantage of the app is mobility. You can learn where ever you are, sitting in a train, waiting for someone, sitting in a doctors waiting room ... And no, using the web with a smartphone is not as comfortable than using an app!

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VoodooSaints

I switched to using the web portal on my phone after they took the keyboard away from the mobile app. lets hope this foolishness doesn't migrate to the web.

although I think the worst thing they did was to limit the number of lessons. these changes are clearly aimed at people with low attention spans and a need to find gratification through virtual rewards vs people actually trying to learn a language

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Will709432

Yes. Exactly. I could no without the crowns, the XP and owl patting me on the head! Certainly don't want a health bar like a game

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DJe7Xv

Perfectly stated.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Yes, but you don't need a keyboard on the mobile app. You can download additional keyboards or plugin on your phone. I recommend you do it, to type in any languages with only an app.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SpaceSpoons

oh dear. this must be a new update that I haven't gotten yet. What platform are you using?

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@SpaceSpoons

Definitely not the www.duolingo.com web portal.

Romance languages and tapping word banks on the mobile app really does not make much sense.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

It's been on my ipad for sometime so I used my android phone. But today it found it's way to android. I'm now going to the website which doesn't have it like the app.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

What part don’t you like about it?

I find a lot of people seem to focus on having to wait 24 hours for hearts to grow back or buy duolingo plus.

Like they aren’t aware you can gain hearts via 3 rounds of practice and 2 ads.

My main issue is that practice doesn’t seem great, it seems to focus on words that are too easy, things that won’t help you progress in the real lessons.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

Mainly I don't agree with the philosophy. I think it is more about steering people towards the paid version than it is about learning. The platform was built on the philosophy of "free learning" and a "trial and error" learning method. Also, I agree that it sends you back to "practice" things that are of little value.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Phil876791

It's about creating more opportunities to get people to view ads. You can gain back health by watching an ad. The more ads Duolingo displays the more money they make. They gain way more revenue from ad sales than from subscriptions.

October 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

They need to steer people towards the paid version. As they have paid workers.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Will709432

The contributors were never paid as far as I know. All very clever charitable volunteers

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/1Wildone

Why not just let the Duolingo community recommend or review changes

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

When what you're having difficulty with is not what's presented in the Practice section, it doesn't help one learn what they did wrong. It's kind of like forcing a child to review verb forms as punishment for not understanding how to conjugate adjectives to agree with nouns, and then starting the entire adjective conjugations lesson over again at the end of it. Teachers don't do this when teaching their subjects; why would Duolingo?

Plus, as others have said, even overlooking the fact that one can regain hearts quickly, the whole hearts system is still completely against Duolingo's philosophy of learning by trial and error. The knowledge that I got a sentence wrong is punishment enough for me; but at least I'm not at risk of not being readily able to try that particular sentence again if I miss too many more.

Plus I wouldn't have been able to suggest 100+ alternative solutions for the new Latin course if I had hearts. You do realize how many hearts that is. I wouldn't have bothered trying.

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Yeah, I kind of think that if they wanted to bring in hearts as a way to slow people down, it should have been more like testing out.

Where you have 5 hearts, once you lose them all you can still complete the lesson but you don’t have the lesson count as completed.

But you can just try it again instantly with 5 more hearts.

This way if you keep making mistakes you can’t progress but you can keep on trying the same lesson.

Hearts seemed to be designed to prevent people rushing through lessons that can’t be failed, while not learning anything.

The shop could then sell extra hearts so you can get 10 questions wrong and still progress.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

When I started on Duolingo (almost 5 years ago) that is kind of how the hearts worked. If you made a mistake you lost a heart. If you ran out of hearts you had to start that lesson over. It worked really well, you just practiced a lesson until you could get through with less than the maximum amount of mistakes.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

This sounds like a much better system - I wonder why they changed it.

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Money (needed).

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lu_night

Yes-yes!!! I also started with duo long ago and really loved the heart system back then! This really helped me concertrate on learning. I remember having trouble with past tense in spanish, and I had done about 10-15 tries to do the lesson until I finally understood everything and mastered it.

It would be cool if duo switch back to that system.

Earlier this year I was travelling and still wanted to keep my streak - usually I did lesson with my eyes almost closed when I was tired after a long day haha, and even if I misspelt words, got wrong answers I could manage through the lessons. Don't think it did me good though. It became too easy to do lessons.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

I never liked this system or found it useful to my learning. I prefer to stop an unit when I want, and not being afraid to make some mistakes or testing alternative translations.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

Good for you. But such a system as mentioned above is still better than a system that forces you to stop regardless of whether or not you want to (as Hearts currently does). And in any case, you technically can stop a lesson whenever; just hit the little gray X up in the corner and you're back at the tree. You don't need Hearts to do that.

Hearts also acts as a powerful disincentive against making mistakes, but also, by extension, acts as a disincentive against learning new material - because, in my experience, most mistakes occur in the first few lessons. I'm not sure anyone's looking to stop a lesson when they've barely started learning what the lesson is about, eh?

And for your information, more than half the reason why I took the Latin course was so that I could test alternative translations. I actually don't know exactly how many I suggested; that 100+ was just what was accepted (because I received an email notification for each one). So yes, that's a lot - a lot - of hearts. ;)

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

What is your name from, Arcana?

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

Latin. I chose it as my Latin name when I first studied the language, meaning "Arcane Muse". Since the name is associated with learning languages, I figured it would be fitting to carry it over onto Duolingo. So I did.

It's not a reference to anything in particular, if that's what you mean. I just chose it because it fit. :)

Thanks for asking! :)

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nyagret

Worst thing for my 1720 day (or whatever) streak has been th elimination of the Clubs. The Health system is not on the web interface so I've not had to contend with it. I will be pist if they impose this on web users.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Worst of worst of worst in my Duo life, has been removal of immersion!!!
And also: removal of messages and notifications.

No way anymore to message someone, and to be notified of the answers on a forum comment.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@Pedropilot

Isn't it finally time for you with a reached language level 25 and 1722 streak to use typing on the www.duolingo.com web portal instead of tapping (word banks) on the mobile app?

How do you correctly apply Romance grammar and construct sentences in the L2 target language?

How else do you want to practice pesky verb conjugation and using the right verb stems (for so many different tenses incl. Subjunctive) including correct diacritics/accent placement?

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

I use other programs for that. However, Duolingo was the first app I ever used so I keep the streak alive as my way of looking back on how long I have been working on my Spanish. I guess you could call it sentiment. It's a record of my journey!

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

I do not want the word bank. Please, Duo, let me do the exercise in the hard mode, right now. Not passing the crown level 3 or 4.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OhhShoot_A_Rat

I hated the health so much, that's why I stopped using it for awhile. Then I just started using it on the computer, no health, you'll just lose xp if you get something wrong

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie_Wolf

I believe it's only a feature for apple devices. Try a computer or android.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@Marie_Wolf

Health has also rolled out to Android (maybe new accounts).

April 2019 updates: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31849174

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie_Wolf

ah thank you. I hadn't seen it on my end

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MustafaOuz526752

I don't have the health feature on my android device even I use the latest version

October 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedropilot

That's what I thought. But as of today it is on my android phone. I'm using a Galaxy S8 with the Duolingo app. I've been using the same combination for a long time but the app auto updated today and now I have "Health."

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/merkavar

Pretty sure it’s on android too

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NovemberVee

I don't have health and I still get 20 lessons in level 4. I have auto updates turned off. If I just never update the app will this protect me from these changes? I use the website in the evenings for studying and real practice, with the word bank always turned off. But I like the app in its present state for practice when I am not home. If the app starts limiting me with health and takes away my extra practice lessons I might as well uninstall the app and just stick with Memrise and Drops for phone practice.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARZ_Arabic

Try using the Web. Much better than the app!

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

Don't let it go, it's almost at 2000!

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/K4ttan

I finally understand what "hearts" are. On the web they aren't used for regular lessons. They only come up if you're trying to test out of a level. And they're fine there.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ding1dong123

No, those are different hearts. The new hearts don't automatically renew after each lesson.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/K4ttan

Okay. I remain confused then.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/-Tahlia

Four days later and you still haven't let your streak go.....

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CaliHolema

WHOA! My longest streak is less than 7! Good Job!

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Don220215

I use started in May and use and android phone for most. Just do stories and read forum on computer. The health has been in place since I started - and I like it. It makes me use the practice that helps me remain current on the things I have already learned. It also makes me aware if I am making a lot of mistakes and gives me incentive to not just guess.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CHAZZZZZZZZ

I use the web so I didn't even know about that health thing. I guess now lingots have a use. I have 1605 saved up so hopefully I can keep them :(

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CHAZZZZZZZZ

Wait, I saw someone else complaining too and you need saphires to regenerate your life?

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MustafaOuz526752

I am using the latest version and don't have the health system. Is this another A/B test? (I also don't get any lingots for reaching my daily streak.)

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Imposing the 5 crown levels is worse, IMHO. It's mandatory on all devices/interfaces.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

It's not mandatory on web. Why is it mandatory for you? I pass to the next lesson at level 1.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_USA

When updates are rolled out certain groups get them first then we all do. They are coming.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

No, what I mean is that it takes 5 passes through all the lessons to fully gild the tree, and the way the lessons are presented is different from the way it was. It's good that there is more translation into the target language, but 5 times through a course Duo's way is a bit much.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Health system is gone now (on web)

They try to gamify it, and to motivate it. Losing our streak is also a form of punishment. It's hard to gamify and to find a system to encourage people to log in and word everyday. They should make something where you have rewards for streak, but losing the streak would do the same. But I'd like a badge, as when you lose 1000 days, you have nothing left.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/russ_ac88

You do get rewarded for your streak if you do your lessons on the web rather than the app. Every ten days when your streak is a multiple of ten you get an amount of lingots equal to ten percent of your streak. Ie for 100 day streak you get 10 lingots. For 430 day streak you get 43 lingots. This doesn't work if you do your first lesson of that day on the app though.

October 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Haven2536

I'm confused, this is how it was a long time ago, right? The three heart system? That has been done away with both on the app and website for a long time, in my experience.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_USA

First, congratulations on your streak. Second, wow, you're easy. I've seen so much go that I nearly left this summer but stayed because Duo suddenly announced the Latin course. I feel I could write a better Latin course but it would be copying Wheelock's Latin. Still, I'm glad they finally did include Latin. One of the biggest losses for me are the grammar charts that were part of some of the lessons. People don't get to see the tenses in chart form anymore or the really helpful explanations.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MaleahWils

Dont give up just yet. It might take a while to get back.... :) (only if you would want it back)

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jade385026

I used to think it was normal xD

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RubyGooby

I am so glad that this hasn't hit the Japanese course yet. It was so weird to find out about this update when I switched back to Spanish for a little bit.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BenDeutsche

Just use the website. Lives are only on mobile(for now).

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hobbsonhob

That's why it's all about the web app

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kippwhimster

dont let go

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iqmJQhgx

Over a year ago I began Duolingo. I lost one streak but am now back at 62 days. Even though I've been completing lessons & stories the past four days hasn't shown any increase for the lingots. What can my "extra " points be used for?

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorG254047

i know right

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lizziebizzie2011

i don't think my mom would allow me to get plus! i don't really want it i just love learning french

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DAYTONA5100110

how hev yoo goten onehundredseventwozero day streek:0:0 yoo krazee.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MaxagoMaxingo

You indeed shouldn't be punished when learning a language (out of free will)...

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hm437e

I have had the "health system" on the iOS for as long as I can remember, and I actually like it. I get frustrated whe I make mistakes and so running out of "hearts" is the equivalent of Duo telling me to take a break. In addition, The hearts are frequently replenished by watching ads (gotta say that for the sponsors). It also allows me to practice skills for additional hearts, another feature I appreciate. Then there is always using my surfeit of gems to buy more hearts, but I'd rather practice.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/French_n_Swedish

Whether one uses the web or the app, they have definitely done a lot of stuff lately to make sure you are using it a lot for very little result. I am considering giving up my streak simply because I want to learn to speak French, not play stupid games. The only reason I am keeping it at the moment is that when I talk about Duolingo in videos, I get more views hahaha.

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeveriVapa

Feel ya!

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eeevvaaaaa

yeet

October 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NoOneIsOrigami

Good job on your 1725 streak.

October 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MoeTieb

.

October 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlfredHan

let it go then

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElmsFamily

What are you talking about? I haven't had this problem.

October 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PERCE_NEIGE

Because you use the web app.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Haven2536

I use the current version of the iphone mobile app and do not have this problem. It's still just a progress bar. No hearts. Don't assume things please

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_USA

And as I said elsewhere, they roll out updates to certain groups of people then finally we all get it. It's coming.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Karol_Ch

Duo never was very good. And now it is even more repellent... I agree with you.

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/painai2

just get plus and you will have unlimited hearts on the app

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John-_-Williams

Some people don't have extra money, you know.

October 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/French_n_Swedish

Paying for Duolingo plus is about the dumbest move I can see someone making in the language learning world. If you're going to pay for something, there are HEAPS HEAPS HEAPS better apps and programs (and yes, for less money). For example: Lingvist.

At the moment Duolingo is only on top because of superior marketing and because it's free.

October 12, 2019
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