Duolingo is the most popular way to learn languages in the world. Best of all, it's 100% free!

https://www.duolingo.com/AlanRawes

di/da/a/per with Italian infinitives

Could anyone help? Are there rules governing the use of di/da/a/per/nothing with particular Italian infinitives in a sentence in which the infinitive follows another verb in another form? This level is driving me mad! There seems no pattern at all here, though I am sure there must be, if I could only see it - or is it a case of learning individual verbs and the preposition (?) that goes with each in the infinitive?

Another query (I'm quite new to Duolingo!) - what is the etiquette when voting for translations? I read one member who says he always gives a positive vote before editing a translation, even if he doesn't like it. Is this the way to go? Or is it better to simply NOT give a negative vote? Or are other learners quite strict, and if they don't like a translation they say so with a negative vote?

I'm thoroughly enjoying being part of this community. The whole Duolongo thing is really rather wonderful! Thank you all for creating such a supportive, tolerant, collaborative, international environment. My confidence grows daily. And thanks to anyone who can help with either of my queries.

Oh - one more question - is there any way of identifying myself as British rather than American? Nothing at all against being American - it is just that I am not!

4 years ago

13 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/mmseiple
mmseiple
  • 23
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 3

Prepositions are tricky, and sometimes there really isn't any rhyme or reason behind them. This discussion has some patterns for using them with infinitives: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1890489 And also here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/2740901 Unfortunately, though, in a lot of cases, you just have to memorize the verb-preposition combinations and use them until you get to a point where one just sounds right. It takes time. In my experience, prepositions, though you obviously start learning them right away, are one of the last things that language learners really perfect.

As for Immersion, I think that the general etiquette is not to give a downvote unless the translation is pretty terrible. For me, I give an upvote if the translation is practically perfect and I can't see anything that needs to be changed as far as the words go. If I am just adding a period or something, I may upvote the translation before doing so, since I'm not really changing much. If the translation is really outstanding but needs some very small fix in the wording, I might also upvote it before changing it. As far as downvotes go, I only use them for ones that are clearly "cheating" (copying and pasting translations from a bot) or any other kind of abuse, ones that are so bad that I can't make sense of them in English (not just some grammatical errors or misreading of the foreign language text) or ones that make the previous translation significantly worse (e.g., changing a perfectly good translation to one that is literal and full of errors, but even in this case, I only do it if it is extreme; otherwise I just revert to the previous translation or make my own changes without downvoting). In all other cases, I just edit the translation without voting one way or the other. If a translation doesn't seem entirely right to me, but I can't think of a way to improve it, I usually just leave it alone, and also don't vote on it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sandrabruck
4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sigmacharding
sigmacharding
  • 18
  • 17
  • 15
  • 15
  • 14
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 10
  • 9
  • 5
  • 5
  • 4
  • 3
  • 3
  • 3

Eccellente grazie mille! Ora posso comprendere più bene

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ildottormaglia
ildottormaglia
  • 25
  • 10
  • 10
  • 6
  • 5
  • 5
  • 3
  • 3

ciao, i hope to be helpful saying that "più bene" is a wrong expression in italian, we say "meglio"... cheers!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sigmacharding
sigmacharding
  • 18
  • 17
  • 15
  • 15
  • 14
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 10
  • 9
  • 5
  • 5
  • 4
  • 3
  • 3
  • 3

Molto bene, parlero meglio perche tu mi hai aiutato :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ildottormaglia
ildottormaglia
  • 25
  • 10
  • 10
  • 6
  • 5
  • 5
  • 3
  • 3

... grande! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sigmacharding
sigmacharding
  • 18
  • 17
  • 15
  • 15
  • 14
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 11
  • 10
  • 9
  • 5
  • 5
  • 4
  • 3
  • 3
  • 3

Benvenuto alla nostra comunità!

As for the Italian when to use da/di/a/per and nothing I am having the exact same diffculty. So hopefully somebody will help out there- I am currently looking for a page explaining this grammatical aspect and will post below once found.

As for voting on translations. Here's what I do.

If something looks right (a good translation) up it, even if you plan on adjusting the translation so's that it reads better.

If the person has tried their best but the translation does not look quite right, do not up vote but don't down vote either- we should give them encouragement-consider explaining in your comment under translation why it should be this way rather then that way.

Down vote if and only if the person is spamming or being intentionally malicious in the immersion section. We want to discourage that kind of thing!

As for being British congrats :D I understand what you mean though. I am Irish myself and though I don't have anything against Americans or anything I would like express that distinction. As yet you may change your location (as I see you have) but that's about all.

Hope this helped somewhat

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swntzu
swntzu
  • 23
  • 12
  • 12
  • 10
  • 9
  • 9
  • 5
  • 5
  • 3
  • 2
  • 2

I have the same problems to be honest but I couldn't find anything better than the list of verbs and what preposition they take in my grammar book.

I think there's an thread with links to an introduction for every section which might have some answers. I'll try to find it later.

As for the British thing, you could change your avatar to a massive Union Flag although many yanks do that for some reason.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlanRawes

Thanks for all your help!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/swntzu
swntzu
  • 23
  • 12
  • 12
  • 10
  • 9
  • 9
  • 5
  • 5
  • 3
  • 2
  • 2

I found several links but none of them cover what I thought they did.

This is a general FAQ https://www.duolingo.com/comment/233855

xyphax's cheat sheets https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw00FD60mORuLWdEQ3hfajNIUGM/edit?usp=sharing

Finally this is an index of discussions for each section. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3441752

Unfortunately I didn't managed to find anything resembling a set of introductions.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlanRawes

Thanks again - very helpful!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Latviete
Latviete
  • 25
  • 25
  • 25
  • 12
  • 6
  • 1780

I have trouble with those prepositions too. There's a fairly extensive list here: http://italian.about.com/od/verbs/a/aa031908a.htm and here an Italian tries to explain the system: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130906004535AA9sS0r , though I find that following the system in the latter link doesn't work perfectly for me. Either it isn't always so simple, or I'm bad at judging which situation applies sometimes, I'm not sure which!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mmseiple
mmseiple
  • 23
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 3

The system in the second like is way oversimplified. Just looking at your first list will give you dozens of exceptions to those "rules." It's not your fault. : ) Prepositions just don't like to follow rules very well, unfortunately.

4 years ago