https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kevind62

The "League System" is utterly, and completely broken.

Pardon my French but the League system is ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ useless. It is meant to encourage users to practice more but in the end what it really only encourages is people racking up experience points by doing the same lessons over and over again just to gain point. Whether it is doing the same stories over and over or doing simple timed practices again and again the result is the same: an utterly broken system.

To the braintrust at Duolingo: This is an EASY fix. Take your ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ AI platform and actually use it to make a system that actually encourages people to learn rather than to simple rack up useless points by cheating.

Either way I shall absolutely not be supporting this platform by continuing my Plus subscription.

October 28, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/2Edleen

3 ways to disable the Leagues: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/33039989

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fay306893

I opted out of the leagues. Not sure I would go back even if they changed it.

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/2LearningSpanish

Hi Kevin, some of us were just discussing Plus membership in another comment recently, and it is not that common that learners here are currently, or have ever been, paid members, so first of all, thank you for supporting the Duolingo platform when you did, with your membership.

It's also understandable that you would decide to drop your financial support given how strongly you feel about the way Duolingo has set up its XP competition system.

No doubt this is affecting your previous enjoyment of this site, since you have already gone very far balancing Spanish and French lessons at the same time, and must have enjoyed learning here at some point.

I've seen some of the images other people have posted -- you've probably seen them, too -- of ridiculously impossible XP values. I figure those who are using automated algorithms to cause these values to be displayed on the leaderboard must be more interested in practicing their IT skills than their natural language skills.

But the other problem you described, of people doing the same easy lessons or stories again and again is still a muted shock to me, no matter how many confessions I have read. I wonder, are there really that many people here who do that? At least, for very long, before even they get bored with such grinding tasks?

For everyone else, if you love languages, and have the luxury of time and an Internet connection, getting more experience points just comes naturally as you progress through the course, and your knowledge increases as well as your speed on at least the basics.

I don't see any way for Duolingo to actually make the XP leaderboard system "fair." It's just like in any competition, whether intellectual, physical, musical -- you name it, someone else always comes to the game with more experience (like already knowing many languages), time, and talent.

Moreover, in some sports, for example, at least both teams have equal time to take what opportunities they can get during the game to make baskets, etc. Here in Duolingo, you've got busy students / workers competing against people with more free time, and each student is allowed to go on Duolingo on their own schedule. Some people are in great health, while others are bed-bound and full of pain, but using Duolingo all day to distract themselves.

The answer, besides trying to not see the leaderboard, is to compete against yourself! See over time how much better you can hear the sounds, or remember the words without seeing them first. That real progress may be difficult to quantify, but at least you can still track your digital progress here on Duolingo: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/34676822.

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/miaou-meow

♡^^^^upvote upvote upvote!! (after ivve been through last days n nights it feels like one upvote isn't enough) !!! screaming inside! !

p.s. spend last dayd fighting with robots o never imsgiimagined the war with them be like that cuz i grew up watching terminator i didn't expect anything like duohackers gaining thousands of xp prr hour

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rkcckr

Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is a good policy for promoting learning. Some study for fun, some to master a subject ans om like me to keep the brain neurons busy.

October 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Goodtimes_Gordon

Well of course, not to mention a single Hungarian lesson (especially given the tortured sentences in the course here) will take the same amount of effort as 10 Spanish or Italian ones.

Just ignore it, what can I say.

October 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alpengluehen

Cheating? Anyone who has more xp than you should be an inspiration for you to get more of them. At least this is the rule in the world of real money. It counts that you have it and nobody cares how you got it. Furthermore are we thought by duo to learn by endless repetition. So what is wrong with that? Cheating means breaking rules. The rules broken here are yours, which you'd like others should follow. There are no such rules, allowing any one to proceed in his own manner. No rules -- no competition -- no cheating.

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kevind62

Using your argument a person could use a motor in their bike to win the Tour de France and that would be ok because as you stated "nobody cares how you got it." Brilliant.

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alpengluehen

Yes, that's the point. All the means mentioned above are legal here and even more of them. If you decide to compete running with a motorbike and bikes are allowed it's your decision and not the biker's fault that he's using the method that suits him and you use yours. If it is a competition it is one against youself and the others shall just boost you. You don't know the terms for your cocompetitiors - so what kind of competition with others should it be? The really annoying thing is, that you aren' t allowed to decide by yourself.

October 28, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Katharsis93

Or you ask in a troubleshooting thread, if they could find a way or add a rule, which excludes engines (or cheaters) from the tournament. :) Maybe an Exp gain, equal to the difficulty of the chapter. Maybe slowly reducing the amount of Exp, after the x'th repetition of the same exercise for an amount of days. Sure, those are just small adjustments, and won't stop anyone, who really wants to exploit the system. But it adds fairness to the middle ground of students.

And well, for me, I'm not really interested in that sort of competition. But I understand everyone, who wants to use the leaderboard as a motivation to learn every day and maybe reach the gold rank. :-)

October 31, 2019
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