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"No, you are cooks."
Translation:No, voi siete cuochi.
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From my understanding, non refers to "not," while no is literally "no." So the sentence "No, I am not a girl" = "No, non sono una ragazza," where as in this sentence, "No, you are cooks," there is no use of not, so only "no" is used. Hope this helps! :)
It is a sad day when you hire cooks and they do not even know that they are cooks.
"Sei" is the second person singular of the verb essere; "siete" is the second person plural. So it's either "tu sei" (you [single person] are) or "voi siete" (you [all] are). In this particular case "cooks" is plural so it must be "voi siete".
Because of the conjugation of the verbs in Italian. Tu is singular and voi is plural and the correspondent conjugations are: Tu sei. Voi siete
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Sei means you are but i was told i was wrong voi siete means you all are so i should be right
Have a look at Formica's answer above 7 years ago, it explains the need for siete. Hope this helps.
Sei is the second person singular of the verb. There is more than one cook so the verb has to be second person plural. The plural cannot be used with the pronoun tu because it is only singular. The second person plural pronoun in Italian is voi. I know this can be an issue because we have only one second person plural in English. However, a lot of languages have different forms for number (singlular, plural) and for politeness (informal, formal). The Italian form tu is singlular and informal. It can only be used when speaking or writing to one person with whom you can be familiar.
My choices are different! I have "No, voi non siete cuochi" and "No, non siete cuochi." To me these are both correct since the only difference is the omission of the subject pronoun. Ideas?
I'm afraid I don't get the question; it's perfectly fine to omit the subject pronoun, but any sentence containing "non" would automatically be wrong, as the second part of the English sentence is an affirmation (you are cooks), not a negation.
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Thanks for the fast reply, I thought the English sentence was "No, you are not cooks.", but I'm not sure anymore :)
Is the "tu" form never used/allowed in the plural, as a hard rule?
I've never really thought about it before, but this sentence made me wonder. I personally can't think of an instance where I would use the "tu" form...
No, it's never allowed to refer to a group of people as "tu"; you can refer to a single person as "voi", but that usage isn't uniform in Italy (and the context where it would be used in Central and Northern Italy has pretty much disappeared).
You should definitely use "tu": as you meet an Italian speaker you'll probably find both of you addressing each other as "Lei", but as you get on friendly terms with them they will most likely say "diamoci del tu" (let's address each other with "tu").
About Lei. After becoming acquainted with a stranger, who decides when to drop Lei in favor of tu? Does the eldest person decide? Would this happen in a formal conversation, as in "You no longer have to call me Lei"?
There is no codified ritual, no :) Some people are eager to shorten the distance and some to maintain an aura of respect: that's especially true if you interact with people on their job, and I remember an English lady who worked with my university told me that the staff used tu with her in person and Lei in writing, and she didn't know what to make of it. Mileage may vary. In any case, if you feel like you got close enough, you can always say "mi dia del tu", and hope that the other reciprocates to avoid creating an asymmetric relationship.
cooks is plural so you would have to use voi siete. tu sei is only used when speaking to 1 person.
By asking do you need voi are you querying the acceptability of the omission of voi i.e. "No, siete cuochi" ? - I don't know the rule for that however DL just gave me "No, siete cuochi"as a correct translation when I incorrectly used sei.
No = No
Non = Not
To copy from an earlier comment, "No, I am not a girl" would be "No, non sono una ragazza".
Whereas in this question, it says "No, you are cooks". You wouldn't write it as "Not, you are cooks"! :)
A bit off course here, but, what is the pronunciation difference between "VOI" and "Vuoi" they sound the same to me.
How come I can say "No, tu sei un uomo." But not, "No, tu sei cuochi."?
Is it just different if the noun is plural?
My maternal language isn't English, is there any other explanation where I should use "no" and where "non" than "no=no X non=not"?
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differentiating 'no' from 'non' should not be part of the plurals exercize. in the multiple choice problem it only confuses the issue. not good pedagogy.
In this example, contrary to the previous, the person Voi is written ot not..both acceptable. I am confuse about when to use the person before the verb and when not Can you please explain? Many thanks
Why isn't "No, voi siete cuoche" acceptable? Wouldn't it be a female cook?
That sounds subtly sexist, like you are suggesting that cooks must be female. But no, cuoche should be correct as well.
...Either you meant to phrase that better or that was some subtle sexism. Out of those three options, only "No, voi siete cuochi" was correct. "No, voi siete cuoche" appears to be also correct, however.
"Voi siete cuoche" can't be right because Voi and siete are plural and cuoche is singular
I wrote, "No, Loro sono cuochi", and do not understand why Duolingo (a) rejected it and (b) insists I write, "No, voi siete cuochi". Italian culture is very different from British or US culture. It is more conservative and language between strangers is more formal. I do not know why Duolingo forces the informal forms of 'you' on learners (which it is doing in French, German and Italian). If I ever get the opportunity to use these languages with native speakers they will be offended if I use tu, du or tu instead of vous, Sie and Lei.
Italian culture is certainly different from British or US culture, but not necessarily more formal and conservative: some native speakers will be offended if you use tu, some will if you don't, some will just laugh in your face if you pick the wrong one. This goes beyond language of course, and plenty of Italians have trouble reading the mood. As for Loro, it's an extremely rare pronoun and never actually used (only the conjugation is), so the course doesn't teach it: typically for people we address with Lei we still use voi in the plural. This post by CivisRomanus goes into more detail: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/26798257
I believe for the most part that post says what I do. The safest thing to do if you are going to speak French, German, Italian (and probably other languages, too), is to address people, who are going to be strangers to you, in the formal second person and not the informal. Having lived in France I have first hand experience of this. A friend of mine lived in Germany and says the same about Germany. Books I have read by an American who lived in Italy for many, many years says the same about Italy. In these countries it would be more correct, and politer, to address people formally. As this is more likely to be what is required it would be more appropriate to be taught the formal forms rather than the informal ones.
Look, I'm Italian and I spent there most of my life, and I can tell you it's not so simple. As a tourist you'll find yourself using Lei often, that's true, but sometimes tu and voi as well: never Loro, unless you're rich enough to go into places most Italians wouldn't, and even then as I wrote Loro is never stated, only the conjugation is.
For some personal insight. At work I've always been in companies that used tu, and that made it pretty awkward when meeting top managers: do you address them with tu and risk seeming rude, or do you address them with Lei and contravene company policy? In doubt, I kept silent. A manager once used Lei with a barista at a local cafè: he replied in Roman "ao', anvedi questo mi sta a da' der Lei", which you could translate with "hey, look at this guy who's addressing me with Lei". Roman humour can be rude. In the end, it comes down to reading the mood; Lei for the singular and voi for the plural is a safe choice in most cases when interacting with adults, simply because it's easier for them to offer you a tu rather than request a Lei.
Then all I can do is agree to differ with you. Yours is one opinion among many. It is not part of the consensus I see. I personally would rather not cause offence.
I know Italian pronouns are often omitted because of the way verbs are conjugated. That being the case we could do with consistency on Duolingo about whether they are used or not.
I shall continue to use the polite forms of the second person in French, German and Italian and would use them if I ever get the opportunity to use these languages in a real life situation.
