Hearts in? I'm out.
A lot of people have been discussing the fact that hearts might come to Duolingo on the web. If this happens, I'm out. It's bad enough on the phone. Please just don't. I'm gonna quit if that happens, and I need this to study for my Spanish class.
Because of the hearts, I almost bought a premium subscription as I was tired of them and learning was becoming increasingly frustrating.
Luckily, I had the good sense to test myself in an online exam to see just how much I was comprehending prior to buying a subscription and my skills are far below what I thought they were. That said, it doesn't make sense to pay a premium price for a program which could be teaching better and uses robotic voices which sometimes overlap each other or are recorded poorly just to avoid the punitive measure of hearts.
Yes, I appreciate duolingo but for the price of a subscription, it absolutely should offer better quality learning material.
I can and will go elsewhere, but will continue using duolingo as a supplement to the other website until it comes time to completely kiss duolingo (and it's hearts) goodbye.
It's bad enough that sometimes I have to sit through ads to regain hearts, only to have them freeze up and to not be awarded an extra heart.
Duolingo gets paid. If they want more and think that the heart system will compel others to purchase a subscription then they need to update and work on their content otherwise they will absolutely find themselves being phased out of the language learning market.
How much are you paying for the premium subscription and what are the significant differences?
Thanks for your response.
Thank you Mathias! haha I am a such a flake ;-) But in the meantime I tried out Drops and it was a nice change. This is a good reminder to better supplement my language learning.
The heart system bothers me so much because, as I would say in marketing, it "breaks trust" with the user. Seems like a bad model if so many people have emotionally negative responses. That's just my rant though, not trying to rant at you! haha.
@Amanda Hello Und Добрый день y buenas tardes!!!
What are "hearts" and what are the significants differences between PLUS or premium (are those two the same?)
Stay calm and keep on seeking more info.
2 Paris Soon: You start with 5 hearts. For each mistake, you lose a heart. When you're out of hearts, you are locked out of your lessons. Forgive me, I'm not sure if watching ads gives you back hearts. Most other free games/apps operate this way, so it's whatev. But the way Duolingo tweaks changes, and can't seem to decide how it wants to make money, gets extra frustrating. This dips into bad UX in my opinion, and has nothing to with learning. I paid $48 for a full year up front so I could go ad-free, which was worth it in my opinion. Duolingo is still a great resource, and I like paying for the things I use. Since I can turn off Hearts by paying $$, it's clearly not about "taking 5 and 5" when you're trying to move through lessons too fast. I wish Duo would be up front and just make it about watching ads for revenue. A heart system based on user mistakes is punitive, and makes learning less fun. Also the premium subscription gives you streak freezes, so you can maintain your streak while not practicing. That seems like the opposite of a learning tool...
I've found that with the browser on my mobile, sometimes the sounds of the words don't come through or my phone freezes up.
Have not noticed that, but I do have trouble with the screen fitting exactly right
I have trouble with the browser on mobile because of the screen zooming.
Maybe we should strike. If enough people stop using Duolingo for a bit, they might notice how many people dislike the heart system. I guess this would make people lose their streaks though, but a decline in usage would definitely get attention. Or maybe create a post as a petition to not move hearts onto the computer version? I swear I'm not begging for upvotes but every vote would be someone agreeing, kind of like a signature.
@Tannemin , I agree. The only problem is that my streak is kinda important to me...
It's a price we have to pay in order to have the chance of making Duolingo better
In concept, I get it. In practice, the only people they'd listen to would be Plus accounts. And then there's my streak...
that is true. those who pay are the only ones who really have a voice. i think they might take away hearts for plus members as a marketing strategy to get more people like the author to get plus. as for your streak... thats going to be a problem
I believe they make most their money via ads, not subscriptions. And those ads are sure to require a minimum of views to yield any compensation for Duolingo. The regular non-paying schmuck does have a voice, it's just more convenient not to loose your streak ;)
Duolingo will only listen to those who make them money. Plus users don't have to worry about hearts in the first place, and most aren't willing to lose their streak for something that doesn't affect them.
True. I think more people would be willing to subscribe to plus if they just made it worthwhile.
Yea that would be a disaster i'm looking for duolingo alternatives you can't rely on anything to last forever on the internet so many great websites and services from the past where ruined because of silly updates.
Memrise is much better. I was learning Polish on Duolingo for five months and ALMOST completed my tree. Then after the ghastly, childish change of graphics, I went to Memrise. Within a week I'd already learnt several words that Duolingo hadn't managed to teach me in five months. (Mind you I took the level 4 initially, before starting over and doing Memrise's Polish level 1). And a huge plus, the graphics aren't aimed at 5 year olds!
While I can't attest either way to the quality of Memrise, the points you bring up are honestly silly. Besides the fact that a website's artstyle has nothing to do with the content it teaches you, I also don't see why the order of the words you learn would really matter. There isn't any official or better order to learn foreign words, so of course Website 1 will go a different route than Website 2.
Memrise might start out with words that weren't early in Duolingo, but Duolingo starts out with words that aren't early in Memrise.
(But really, you quit the app because you thought it looked too "childish?" I hate to pull an ad hominem, but it sounds like someone's a tad insecure about their maturity.)
If hearts come to Duolingo on the web, I'll literally have to find an entirely new website for my main study. I take independent study for German, and if I can't study my German because I am out of hearts, I can't do my class. Ridiculous that they'd even consider that.
Basically, if you have the Duolingo app, you have 5 hearts when learning lessons. If you incorrectly answer a question, you lose a heart, and once you run out of hearts, you have to wait a certain amount of time for them to regenerate.
This can be very frustrating to people who use the Mobile version of Duolingo, as do I when I am away from my computer, because you are limited to the time you can use the app (assuming you get questions wrong). Getting things wrong is apart of learning, so the fact that you being punished for it is unfair in my opinion, and I can tell many people agree with me based on these comments.
Wow! That really s**ks. What a very strange idea. I can't imagine who thought that was a good idea. (Maybe to control some sort of abuse by mobile users?) Thanks for explaining that. Now that I know what you're referring to I have to agree, that would violate the entire purpose of the website, I would think. If that were to happen, I'd be out of here, too. I'm trying to learn a language (or 12); no time to play silly games. (By the way, I'm a subscriber, whatever that's worth; partly it was just to get rid of the darn nagging message about subscribing!)
@Super21- Congrats and thanks for answering the question posed by several here. Like them - I also had no idea what hearts were - mostly using the web version. However from reading your definition I now agree with everyone here that they sound annoying (even though I haven't experienced them). I have both (free) Duo apps but rarely use the mobile one except when waiting in reception areas for a quick revision! However if I'm trying to focus on learning, that heart allocation with pauses would drive me crazy I think! As you pointed out Super21, making errors is part of learning - being punished for that on this kind of app is ridiculous. And Hey - have a lingot for responding to the question many had posed!
You're given five hearts for a lesson. Anytime you make a mistake you lose a heart.
When you run out of hearts, you can either refill for 450 gems or you can subscribe and get unlimited. If you don't do either, your progress for the lesson is lost.
To start a new lesson, you can earn 1 heart through practice, pay 350 gems for a heart, subscribe and get unlimited, or you have to wait 5 hours to get one.
Edit: It also affects multiple languages. If you lose all your hearts in a French lesson, you'll also be locked out of German (for example).
That's just rediculous tbh, I am glad I don't use mobile because to me it seems as if hearts are just bothersome and not helpful at all.
Thanks for describing what the "hearts" system is, Ms Zucchini. Dare I say it sounds pretty heartless? Indeed it sounds dreadful and I reckon is a downhill direction for Duo to take :(
Essentially, it is a system that limits your learning so you spend money. You have a limited amount of hearts, and if you get a question wrong, you lose a heart. When you're out of hearts, you must wait for them to regenerate in order to continue.
You can also hit that handy practice button! Honestly the only good thing about hearts is that they encourage you to use the practice feature on mobile, since timed practice with up to 20 XP is only on web.
@CarlyC - Yep, you hit the nail on the head - a stupid way for Duo to force people into subscribing - will drive a lot of us away entirely. Caution to Duo: Don't.
I won't be out, I'll just constantly grumble about it like I do with the terribly designed fill in the blank questions.
Really? Duolingo has been going downhill so fast. I think that would be the last straw for me too.
Me too. It has been a force for good. This (heartless heart thing) is a bad turn. Have a lingot panda :)
I'll add that hearts haven't helped me with my learning at all. If anything, they have only frustrated me and taught me that there is only one or a few ways to answer a question correctly, when in the real world...this isn't the case.
In fact, I was taught with such a rigid learning style that I couldn't recognise phrases in the Mandarin exam where the word order was mixed around a little or colloquialisms were added. It really messed with me because not only did I work my butt off, but I wasted countless hours of my time learning many words that I really didn't know how to put together in enough ways to be an efficient speaker or listener.
Yes, duolingo is great for picking up new words, but in terms of using them in a versatile way, it is lousy, the content is far from complete and it is not worth a subscription price to rival sites such as Chinese For Us which pace their lessons slowly but teach them thoroughly.
Now I'm going back to basics with Chinese Are Us, avoiding the frustrating and tedious heart system and making better use of my time.
Any website that teaches fast language learning or encourages competition with others using this method (leaderboards for example) is little more than a gaming gimmick IMHO.
If you already know your target language, great. You might pick up some more words here. In terms of real language learning from scratch, I say avoid it and spend your money elsewhere. I don't want to learn from AI, I want to learn from a human.
I feel like this problem is specific to the Chinese course. It might have given you a worse impression of the language courses overall because of it: I stopped using the Chinese course on here as well because of how it was designed. Meanwhile, the Greek course is much more user-friendly. It comes down to what the contributors agree on, I guess. Not that this solves the problem for you, since you came here to learn Chinese. Sorry the program didn't work for us. What do you think of the Japanese course? You're quite farther than I am.
I could have cried, tbh. I really felt like a numpty after I took that exam. I went to bed feeling deflated but then I started having dreams, reminding me of all the stuff I knew how to do already, kind of giving me the impression to keep going but just to try a different way of learning to get some more versatility. It's like having many of the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle in my possession but not quite knowing how to make them fit...
I took the Japanese course while it was in Beta Mode. I found it to be better on Duolingo than another website that I tried (Language Pod 101) as their lessons appeared to be all over the place and not very structured. I do feel that it is an extremely hard language but with the right learning tools, it might make it easier to master.
I don't think I'll be trying duolingo for Japanese as I'm determined to get my head around Mandarin. Maybe in 10 years? Lol. Who knows.
Staff never said this - there is not a single thread / confirmation about this, is it?!?
You can also check this official "April 2019 updates" thread: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31849174
Beta health testing was confirmed for the Android platform.
1-2 weeks ago we used an old Android (V4.4) tablet at a friend's place.
Installed the version from the Google Play store which was still compatible (probably not the very latest).
I did one lesson on the mobile for all three Portuguese courses. Had zero issues and no health.
But the mobile app is really bad on a tablet....too much space....the word banks and letters are way too small.
I was back using the web portal on Google Chrome V77 which fixed the "empty page" rendering issue for the Home/Learn page which the internal V4.4 Android browser had run into.
Voice dictation (voice to text) - in the L2 target language - is pretty cool on Android.
Newer versions like Android V5+ would support the Gboard keyboard.
But it only works for typing exercises.
The voice dictation on the Mondly Android app - including multiple-choice exercises (when there was - not always - a speaker toggle button) is also pretty cool in the target language.
Finally I had a chance to test the voice speaking toggle button for the Mondly Chatbots and switching through multiple possible offered phrases.
Never could it working on a Windows web browser, even not with Google Chrome.
Thank you for always being the voice of reason, Thomas.
With that said, I agree with the general sentiments of this post.
I will (also) be outta here if you ever bring the Hearts/Health system to the web, Duolingo, just sayin'.
In this new thread I have posted my longer answer - second part could be (quickly) written in the German language by me as a native speaker and I will probably not try to rewrite (or translate) in(to) English:
I hated the hearts, because when i was starting off, i would lose them all!
am i the only one who has no idea what hearts are? as far as i can tell i have lingots and crowns only...
I got one mistake and it was a typo. Then I couldn't continue in any of my languages unless I "bought health" with gems.
its like lives. you miss an answer, you lose a life. you run out of lives, you cant do anymore until you refill them with practice or wait. sorry, don't remember how many live you get, I deleted the app and only use the web now.
ok thanks, i never bothered with the app, always stayed on the web, but as far as i can tell hearts might be a problem for me considering i spend alot of time on duolingo.
No, you're not the only one. Someone tried to explain it once and I still didn't get it....
For a foreshadowing of hearts, go to one of your language lessons, click on the image and a rounded box will pop up with a report on what level and lesson within that level you're on. To the right of that info, you should see an image of a lightbulb and then its right an image of a key.
The lightbulb represents descriptions and examples of the content with various rules.
The key allows you to attempt to test out of that level and its 5 stages with some questions. If you click on the key INSTEAD OF CLICKING on start, you will be asked if you want to level 2 and by clicking you will end up with questions to answer and at the far right there will be 3 red hearts...Those represent maximum number of misses you can have without having to start over.
If you miss another, you hear one of those losing sounds BUT you don't have to wait for hearts to regenerate. You can go back and repeat the process without having to wait as you must in the PLUS system, apparently. I hope this helps... This site is a bit of a testing site with several investors trying to hone a new learning system (for beginners and entry level students, I have learned several places) and it is free with high motivation for many to switch to the paid system (the ULTIMATE GOAL). Their revenues are increasing at a rate which may bring in as much as $100 million in revenue this year after $13 million in 2017 and $36 million in 2018.
Thanks for those revenue figures. It annoys me how many people think that this site's owner is a benevolent benefactor doing all this for free. "Turn off your ad-blockers" they cry, "Support this struggling website".
As I have always said, the site was made attractive to kids & teens with its increasing gamification. Now, with the introduction of the leagues, they have created addicts, not learners, and Luis von Ahn is the pusher.
After 5 years, voluntarily trying to help others with language questions, I don't like what I am seeing and the site has become a less effective learning tool (no grammar rules explained at all in French anymore) so I think I will leave but I will pop in now and again to watch its progress (downhill, no doubt).
@JoshuaSant--- Me too. Answer? Go down about 25 to 27 posts from the top to (well-explained) responses on this by Super21__ and straight after that by MsZucchini. They were the first posters to try and answer that question by many who had no idea. They explained the horrid heart system is on the mobile app for Duo, but not on the Duo Web App. So you are probably on the web app, verdad?? Cheers.
Same here. I only have hearts when I do test-outs. I've never seen any hearts or lives in exercises neither on the web nor on the phone.
I would suggest giving the web version a try - that might keep you in. Don't drop out too soon I-am-a-meme. Must admit I think if I used mobile app often this heart(less) thing would drive me away. Have a lingot for encouragement :)
Also sorry about your situation, I can't exactly relate but I hope it all works out :)
I use mobile and the web page and the web page is so much better because it doesn't have hearts , if they come on the web page I'm out. And I have used duolingo faithfully since 2015.
@Nateawesome - Wow, you've used Duo faithfully since 2015. Well done you :) Have a lingot. And I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm on the Web version too (for a year plus) and I reckon those beastly sounding hearts would straightaway drive me away too, sad to say.
This would be catastrophic in my learning, I learn by making mistakes, lots of them. (and probably most do). To penalise people for making errors is just like the old days when students would be caned for getting the wrong answers. It never worked in the old days and wont work now, it will just switch people off. Learn from history Duo you naughty naughty owl!
I was using duo on my phone and when i got hearts i found it impossible to get my goal of xp. i left mobile the same day i got hearts and went to the web version. if the ybring hearts to the web version im leaving duo all together.
I found it imposible to get to my goal of the XP when they introduced that stupid XP cap. Now I can't test out and get a ton of XP for it, nor can I get to level 25 as fast. How rude Duolingo.
Hearts don't make a lot of sense as they're implemented now.
I'm not going to go into everything I hate about hearts, but here are two points that make no sense to me.
--> The owl -- and just about every language teacher and expert -- tells you that even when you're making mistakes, you're learning.
If that's true, why don't I get a chance to reinforce what I'm learning by doing it correctly?
Mistakes are part of the learning process, we're told.
That's especially true on Duolingo, which often introduces vocabulary without explanation. You're expected to learn words, phrases and even grammatical concepts by seeing them, guessing incorrectly and then seeing your work corrected.
The hearts system makes that punitive.
--> No distinction is made between types of errors or the level of difficulty of a sentence.
For example, if you don't know a single word in a sentence to be translated, you lose one heart. If you use the wrong conjugation but get everything else right, you lose that same heart.
If you make a typo that isn't forgiven, you lose that same heart. If you get a word out of order, you lose a heart.
At the very least, you should get a second chance at the last two.
@mreaderclt - Excellent explanatory response for how it all feels as a Duo learner. I am on the Web version and also am disappointed at times for similar reasons - but I don't need punitive measures. As another user above said too: when a fun app becomes homework, sigh.
I can bear it on my phone, but if there is no way around it I will quit, how will I get my daily streak? And I don't want to do practice because then I'll just be learning the basics again.
Practicing also gives you XP and lingots or gems. Win-win, though I don't like the new hearts system
I agree. When I first started, I would lose hearts all the time. It forced me to do practice exercises. Others might have a different experience, but I believe it helped my pace when I first started, since it forced me to gain a solid understanding of the lessons that future lessons would build upon. Even now when I make mistakes, I am forced to do practice exercises that help me review previous material.
People are upvoted in this post saying hearts keep them from learning, even though the practice exercises exist. If you don't like hearts, that is a preference, but they don't keep you from learning the language.
@Ryan--- Good to hear another side to the hearts story. I have the mobile version, but rarely use it - preferring the web one. So when I do use it if hearts are on mine I'll try to value it for practice too. Cheers - have a lingot.
I don’t really like the hearts system but I wouldn’t leave for that reason. I will just deal with it as I have since I started using DL. What would make me leave is if it stopped being useful to language learning but so far I haven’t reached that point. Actually the program works better now for more advanced levels.
I hate it because a lot of duolingo is learning by trial and error. especially the last set where there are no tips. also, whenever new content comes out, there are months until the all the valid answers are accepted.
Yup, it's even better when the audio doesn't give you the complete sentence, you don't realise there's supposed to be an 'as well' or a 'this evening' on the end and so you get it wrong.
I understand the point of hearts as they tell you, "slow down, take a breath and practice what you've done" but honestly most of the time they get in the way. I wish there was an option to turn off hearts on my phone.
@SophiaMandy - best response so far!! If Duo are so bent on hearts, why not give users an option to turn them off? Then Duo can gain a better insight into the real deal. I haven't used my mobile app lately - but suspect I'll want to turn them off. I am mostly on the Web App & know when I need to practice (which is most of the time!!). I don't need Duo to tell me by penalties!! Cheers.
I thought Duolingo wanted to get learners to a B1 language certification level. What happened to that ambition?
Duolingo has it as a revenue model, and remember it continues to offer all learning content 100% free. All this free stuff they are offering to people who cannot afford to learn all these languages in other ways needs to be paid for in some way, and this is actually a pretty clever way to do it. Get users who can pay to learn a language to do so, and get those who cannot to "pay" with their patience and by supporting ads.
Slowing down and pacing yourself is probably best for learning, and most of us get frustrated at it but are still happy to have all the content available and open. Now if you really want to keep on blasting through, you can always become a subscriber and support the learning of others who are happy to learn at a measured pace. "Leaving" because of this would probably just mean you would have to pay somewhere else.
Slowing us down by only letting us learn like one new skill per language per day would be fine. As it is, hearts punishes you for not already being familiar with the language you're trying to learn, doubly so now that practicing older skills to restore your hearts now has diminishing returns for XP. I understand why this is done too, but taken together, users who have brought into Duolingo's extrinsic motivations for language learning will feel like they're being punished no matter what they do.
Take a step back from your keyboard and look at the bigger picture, Duolingo is a corporation, just as much as google and facebook and all the other corporations who love you so much, and because they love you they want you to have a Heart ♥
Memrise is soooo much better. I can't even be bothered to use Duo any more, Memrise is the way!
I just went out and gave it a quick try. Maybe it is way to soon to judge as I really do not have it figure out yet. One thing is the accent marks. I was trying the Spanish course, which may be different than other courses. It accepta answers without accent marks and does not tell you about it. DUO accepts answers without accents but notifies you, I like this method. I do not really want to be marked wrong for accent marks, but would like to be notified. I did not use MEMRISE enough to know more specifics, was just having a bit of a hard time figuring out exactly how to use it. I might try i more later, but because of the accents , probably not.
I hated hearts SO MUCH years ago when it was on the web originally. I was so glad and relieved when they got rid of hearts. I'm worried to think hearts could come back on the web.
They said they won't come on the web, but coming from Duolingo I doubt that to be true, as they have lied to us in the past before about updates not coming to web but instead have.
Even then the hearts system was different. If you made enough mistakes to end the session, you could then restart it immediately and put what you learnt through those mistakes into practice. Under the new system that isn't possible.
I can't stand the hearts. If Duolingo wants revenue then that is what the ads are for. If hearts come to the web then I'm out as well.
I personally do not think that hearts are as bad as everyone says they are, in all honesty to me hearts seem like a good idea because you can easily go into a practice session where you get content from all your lessons and you can review and practice that content. If your problem with it is watching ads or paying then you neither have to watch ads as you can just practice to regain all of you hearts and you don't have to pay do to the practice.
Edit: After reading through the comments a bit I can see how people consider hearts a hindrance, and how learning could be very difficult depending on your language as well as how Duolingo wants the exact answer they have created. When I was learning French on Duolingo about a year ago I remember how I would need a translation for something and I answered the way I would say the translation in English and I'd lose a heart for it. Despite all of this I don't think it's something to quite over. A slight hindrance isn't going to keep you from learning a new language, though I can't control you and these are just my opinions. So do you.
It is a major challenge for someone with dyslexia. This is the reason the heart system sucks all of the fun out of the program for me. I often times know the material but have trouble catching minor typos and it is frustrating. When I am away from my computer though, I do use the app and spend time doing the reviews to keep my streak going.
I hate the hearts and the way duolingo is turning, but it is one of the only few free language learning sights out on the webs, so I stick with it. Silly trash updates and all, but I barely do lessons anymore. I even find that my Indonesian is lacking in some areas because of lack of practice, I only use Duolingo and you tube videos atm. I keep forgetting the word for week, which is "minggu", shows how much time I have put onto Duolingo. I am forgetting simple words, and I have been here less as the updates are just unbearable. Please fix Duolingo, I would hate to leave over everything going downhill.
I got the DL app on my mom's iPhone, and it had hearts. I'm 99.9% sure I will be gone if it comes to the web. I don't think it will though.
I started Duolingo to do the Spanish tree. I took Spanish in high school and wanted to see how much I’d retained. This was long before there were ads or a health system was introduced. I loved it.
Fast forward a bit and Japanese came out and I jumped on the Japandwagon. Spanish was forgotten for a period of time and when I went back to it, lo and behold, there’s a health system. Japanese doesn’t have this, thank Duo’s green feathers.
Mistakes are part of leaning something new, we shouldn’t be punished for making them. Perhaps if someone gets enough questions wrong Duo can pop up and offer choices to try an easier lesson or take a break.
It’s bad enough to have a health system in the app, please don’t bring it to the browser too.
I agree. I'm taking an independent study class for German, and if my learning is limited by hearts, then I can't use the main source for my studies.
Totally agree; ruins the experience. I like to do my learning in batches when I have the most time. I really hope they don't do that because I've gotten so far.
i don't have hearts on my phone, and i don't have premium. When installing the app, i was given the option to turn that off.
ok, thanks. They added hearts to my android app a short while back. One day I did not have them, next day I did
Same! I don't use mobile for that exact reason, it's infuriating. If it comes to web, I'm also leaving.
Thanks for posting this - it's clearly an issue (I read all the posts on yours to this point). I too am on the Web version and have so far been unhindered by "hearts". Oh and by the way, XavierWing4, I like your title - I came to see what hearts are!! So it worked to get me to have a read! Cheers - have a lingot :)
"... my answer was marked wrong and I lost a heart", at first I didn't understand such posts, never had hearts myself, fortunately ....
For many of us it us a bad thing. Often, I may know one solution, but want to try out an alternate solution, but do no want to do that when using hearts, That is just one thing. I talked a friend into trying duo. He was excited at first, but not for long, he quit because of hearts, He did not want to use browser version
Yes, that's exactly what happened with my son, trying a totally new language. He gave up very quickly because of the hearts. My other son, who started when it did not use hearts, had got on really well. I personally use the app far less than I used to before hearts. As well as now being afraid of trying out alternate solutions as you mention, I no longer dare to use it in a noisy environment such as on the bus, in case I mis-hear something. This wastes a lot of my learning time.
And my friend is not a kid, he is in his mid 30's. But he has some type or reading disability, not dyslexia. He can read but it is hard for him. His comprehension is fine. I did not think he would mind the hearts so much because he is a big gamer, but learning and paying games is 2 different things. I have seen others post that have recommended duo to friends with learning disabilities, and they gave up because of heart, Also seen others that had children that the hearts were a problem for. I hope duo will either get rid of the hearts or allow everyone the option to deactivated them like they do the PLUS users. If it is all about learning and slowing down then it should not matter if you are a PLUS or regular user. If it is about making money they should just say so. Sorry your son gave up, can he try to browser version, my friend chose not to do that.
If hearts were ever added to the Duolingo site I would probably stop, mainly because Duolingo mobile is hard because of the hearts. But if they did add hearts I would probably use mango but I don't really like it.
i will say, if hearts are added, alot of people are going to start using google translator so they dont get it wrong, or they will start using the hover function all the time, and never attempt to learn it.
Why would they put a heart system that you have to have a subscription to get rid of. It makes some people infuriated and I am one of those people. It's the way they get money but they still have the ads on the website, which for sure gives them a percentage of the money. Still, they should not add a heart system to the website. They could have people strike the website until changes are made because most people don't want to pay money to learn a language on a free language learning website.
I use the app on both my phone and iPad and I have never had hearts! Lucky me I guess :) But I use the web version on iPad to do the stories so I hope it isn’t introduced to web version.
Agreed! ITS AWFUL!!!!!!!! It also makes afraid to mess up which makes me afraid to practice. I live in NYC and used the app all the time on the subway. I hate it now and how you have to watch all the commercials to earn the hearts.
Could someone explain to me what are "Hearts"? Should I be worried?
Maybe it's because of the language I'm learning, I don't know, but I don't get any hearts neither on my phone nor pc version. If it happens it will happen, I'll deal with it. I always get annoyed at all the changes duo goes through (and any other website, to be honest), but a week later I don't even remember it changed.
Right. Learning isn't easy, so why add an extra layer of complexity and frustration to it with the heart/health system?
"Learning is never supposed to be easy." Hmmm....? I have never read that. Is that a quote or did you come up with that yourself. We can't avoid learning.
Is learning easier with the PLUS program? What are the significant differences between PLUS and the various FREE systems we have seen so far. DUO is on track to pass the $100 million in revenue this year in 2019.
"In 2019, Duolingo was named one of Forbes's "Next Billion-Dollar Startups 2019." A quote from Wikipedia. There's a lot of info there.
Duolingo reached a revenue of $13 million in 2017 and $36 million in 2018.
I don't even know what hearts is (are?). I'm not going to worry until it happens and not beforehand. Duo doesn't read the forums, so any complaining is worthless, unless you just want to gripe.
Students should use hearts if they have the sufficient expertise on the language. Otherwise, they won't learn really anything. .
Please, make your title more clear, to attract more people to upvote your thread.
I actually personally think hearts would be a great addition to the web- it helps motivate people.
People use Duolingo for their classes, though. I can understand how some people learning a language in their free-time can enjoy hearts, but when Duolingo is a grade for you, it is a different story.
In either version I think learners should be given the option to turn them off - that'd be the best way to go or they'll lose users, based on comments here.
I dunno why people have downvoted you (I hate hearts same as you all) but I respect your opinions.
I respect her opinion too but I strongly disagree with it as hearts do the very opposite to motivate me.
It’s ok to downvote if you disagree with something. Edit: You downvoted me! See? It works for you too!
I had hearts on the mobile app before and I liked it. It kept me from rushing ahead too fast, which hinders real learning.
Let's face it, if I'm losing hearts it's because I don't really know the material. Best to slow down and learn it.
"Let's face it, if I'm losing hearts it's because I don't really know the material."
Ok. But you aren't the only one using the app.
I've lost hearts due to typos. But using the app for 3 hours a day as I was, can easily lead to 4 or 5 typos. And reading through previous comments, I've seen parents say that children with learning disabilities are now being hindered by the hearts system.
"Best to slow down and learn it."
I mean, that's really just a personal opinion not grounded in much of anything. It's a very broad statement about the pace of learning. I don't have the luxury of slowing down, nor do i want to. But besides that, different people learn at different paces. Some people make more mistakes than others when learning, this system ignores that.
My advice for people upset with the hearts system is to move to another platform. That's what I did. I mostly only use the duo website. For my phone, I mostly use the Memrise app
99% of the time I'm losing hearts because of minor typos, clicking the wrong word accidentally, or using the wrong gender. Really frustrating and why I only use the mobile app if I have no access to a computer.
Pssst ... you can access Duolingo through your mobile browser instead of the app. No hearts and you have access to the stories too.
The experience on mobile sucks anyway, so it's not any major change. A real keyboard makes all the difference.
I haven't found that to be the case. Maybe you have some device-specific issues. I've had that kind of thing happen before too.
There's a good tip from someone with many crowns. The stories are great too! Have a lingot :)
Accidental typos are fine, but if you're constantly typing it incorrectly or using the wrong gender for words, you're not learning the language correctly
I knew when I posted that comment that it wouldn't be popular. As BlueVoodoo observed, it's just my opinion and I'm not the only one using the app.
But I do have to question: if a person is using the wrong gender, isn't that a fairly basic mistake? Is it not evidence that review is needed?
The same goes for clicking the wrong word. When you click the wrong word accidentally and don't recognize the mistake, isn't that an indication that more practice is called for? I'd recognize an accidental wrong tile in an English sentence in a heartbeat.
I personally think this way, but obviously I'm not in the majority ;-)
At the end of the day, though, Duolingo will follow the data, and not our shouts of joy or misery.
Seriously - if you're paying so little attention, while trying to learn a language, that's your fault, not Duo's. I am not trying to be rude here, just voicing my opinion. If you're constantly making typos, you need to slow down and pay attention to what you're doing. I would question why you're giving it so little focus and attention, if it's so important to you. As for using the wrong gender....well, yeah, that's wrong and so it should be marked as wrong. I honestly don't get why you're complaining that when you do something wrong, it's handled as thought its....wrong. If you don't want to lose hearts, learn the genders. I don't get why you're so opposed to learning something you claim you want to learn. To me, it sounds like you're blaming your issues - lack of focus, not learning genders - on the app, instead of yourself, where they belong.
And some of the languages, Duolingo doesn't accept perfectly valid and correct answers. They even have a way to report those errors to them. But it happens frequently. My answer can be completely correct and valid, but Domingo doesn't accept it because they just don't. Eventually, I will sometimes get an email saying they fixed something I reported, but there are numerous things that people have been reporting for well over a year that haven't been fixed....
That seems really harsh. We all learn differently and one way is by making mistakes until it suddenly clicks. This should not be penalized. I tend to learn best via the struggle and by trying different word sequences and spellings to see what works. I tend to grasp certain spellings and vocab. while consistently missing other concepts until after I have done it enough times, I remember. I cannot focus on everything all at once, nor can many of us. You're making really broad assumptions by stating that its someones "fault" or that spelling and other issues is due to going to fast or not properly focusing.
If you're not making mistakes, you're not learning. I will stand by that.
I might add, though, that while I use a desktop for this site, and not an app on a phone, I don't think I'd like the hearts either. Sounds like a demotivator.
"If you're constantly making typos, you need to slow down and pay attention to what you're doing."
This is pretty much the worst advice I have read yet. It's such bad advice that it is laughable. You just told someone to stop making typos......And you think this is a valuable contribution to the discussion? Stop making typos? That's your advice? Really?
"To me, it sounds like you're blaming your issues - lack of focus, not learning genders - on the app, instead of yourself, where they belong."
To me it sounds like you made an obtuse and arrogant comment while not really trying to understand what the other person wrote. To me it sounds like you just want to jump into a conversation to make a condescending statement........But that's just my thoughts....
You have a wonderful day now, ya hear?
What about children? Or people with learning difficulties who are trying their best? I got my daughter on Duolingo. I was thrilled that she was showing an interest in learning a language. She had a go on the app, within minutes lost all her hearts, got discouraged and hasn't tried since. Someone learning something entirely new is GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES. Stop blaming learners for not being perfect in the language they're trying to acquire. Also, I've frequently got things wrong because of glitches in the audio. If you're going to be penalised for mistakes then Duo needs to sort out bugs that cause people to get things wrong.
Same experience for both of mine.. They are learning Spanish at school and I figured Duolingo would be awesome for them. Both, especially the 6 year old, got super frustrated by the hearts.
I think both of you are correct. Duolingo does have room for improvement, especially with accepting more slang or natural responses (There should be a better system for updating these) However, in it's current format, people can get stuck and just throw up what they see is the right answer instead of taking a minute to understand why
I mean it should absolutely correct you like when you mess up the accents, but taking away a heart for misgendering a word is harsh. You’re bound to forget the gender of some words ocassionally.
I feel it hinders me. Sometimes I make a mistake because I want to try out an alternate solution.
And if it really is viewed as better for learning, why are plus users able to avoid it. Why not make hearts optional gor everyone, so those that think it helps them can use them and ithets do nit have to
So if hearts encourage better learning, why is an option to ‘learn in a less effective way’ (by disabling hearts on a premium subscription) being offered?
Don’t people generally pay to get access to better learning methods/tools/material and not the other way around?
I have asked this and it has probably been asked by others, have never seen a real answer.
But if it were true that it enhances learning why would they offer you the option of unlimited hearts with plus?
Sounds like you are using one of the stable languages that doesn't have errors everywhere. Today, I had two instances where I gave correct answers that Duolingo don't accept. That is pretty common in the language that I'm studying (Chinese). If I was dealing with hearts, I could easily run out of hearts just through Duolingo errors. Then, add on errors like mixing 末 and 未 or 码 and 吗 or other extremely similar characters, and then the simple errors that all of us make as language learners.....
Have you considered that people have classes, though? No offense, of course. Personally, I do independent study, and for now Duolingo is my main form of learning German. If I can't do my class, I get a bad grade.
"if I'm losing hearts it's because I don't really know the material."
No. 1) The whole Duolingo approach is based on trial and error. The first time you see a new word/phrase, you may not have seen it before, so you have to guess. You may guess wrong the first time, but that's how you learn. 2) If you are learning more than one language, you can lose a hearts on one (maybe one that you are less familiar with), and then not be able to proceed with learning another. This means you tend to spend more time on languages where you are more comfortable. Where is the logic in that?
I think this is a really good point - 'if I'm losing hearts it's because I don't really know the material, best to slow down and learn it'. I hear SO much grumbling about hearts on here, it's really very nice to hear a different viewpoint, and opinion! And I really think you have a good point - the entire thing here is to learn a language, brick by brick, and that takes time. Frankly, I think that the people against things like hearts are too focused on doing a bunch of lessons, and not focused enough on slowly and truly learning. And yeah I'm aware that's an unpopular opinion, but I don't care; I'm entitled to my views, just like everyone else on here. Thanks for bringing up this excellent point!
" Frankly, I think that the people against things like hearts are too focused on doing a bunch of lessons, and not focused enough on slowly and truly learning."
Frankly, I think you are just making stuff up as you go. Your comment about "true learning" is quite an idiotic statement.
Are you trying to suggest that I haven't "truely" learned anything because I have done a bunch of lessons? You don't have to answer that question, I really don't care what you say. I would suggest that you at least try to understand the fact that different people learn differently instead of you focusing your time and energy on other people that have done more lessons than you...........
I sympathize with the points of your post. But this isn't 4chan. Maybe tone it down a bit.