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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Calvados_27

Arabic content is nonsense.

Hi, first of all I'm Egyptian, I am currently learning Spanish for English speakers. However, I was waiting for Duolingo to release the Arabic content so I can take a look and know (How are they going to do it?). When I saw it officially (after beta), I found that the content is very small, then, I took the general test, and I saw some random, meaningless words. I don't understand how would anyone learn Arabic or even any language in this way (daa, duu, dee, zuu) I mean what the hell?. You say some stupid words and let me guess what did you say and write it in the Arabic alphabet. Why don't you write something meaningful like (Arabic is like Spanish where every noun and adjective has masculine and feminine forms). But instead, you just test us how would we pronounce and even listen to that garbage. Arabic is considered as one of the hardest languages in the world and you are making it more complex and meaningless.

January 2, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hassibah

The course content is very similar to the first semester of arabic courses that they teach in English language universities-basically they go really slow with the alphabet pronunciation and reading including nonsense syllables because their intent is getting you to understand how the alphabet works first, and only learn a few phrases and then seems to stop there.

So it makes me wonder if the course was either developed by people currently learning arabic in college or by people who teach it this way and consider it the only "correct" way to learn the language.

Which is definitely a shame IMO because while that method is definitely not my favourite it is especially badly suited for casual learners online.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chaplin.G

Hey hassibah! Do you study Arabic with another app or with someone who has a different method? I'm new at this language and I don't know what to think about it. I liked this method, actually (it's the only one I know lol) because I can get familiar with writing. But considering we start learning a language by listening to other people and seeing the associations that are made with objects and actions, it would be interesting if Duolingo could include the method with cards, showing the object and the way to say it, and then show how to write.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hassibah

Hey Chaplin I guess I should clarify.

I learned Arabic in the most traditional way-I took courses in school and then built on my knowledge from there from a combination of a lot of different sources and practice. I currently use the French duo course for Arabic speakers for practice sometimes but that's more for fun I primarily do less formal exercises at this point in my learning and am doing a lot of listening to media and writing for myself.

The courses I took resemble how these start out but the major difference being that they didn't stop with learning the alphabet and a few basic sentences. When I took arabic in school there was definitely a focus on formal grammar-it went really slow and really deep. That is useful for some people but that method was used for people that were committed to studying 15-20 hours a week and who had an instructor. People I went to class with could do grammar really well but had trouble holding a basic conversation until their 3rd or 4th year of study. In some ways it's good to learn so much but in other ways it can be extremely frustrating for enthusiastic learners to progress that slowly.

On the flip side, I've seen foreigners who worked or live in the middle east take survival arabic classes and can hold basic conversation in a few months, because it is the direct goal of their learning. That's obviously gratifying if you want to learn a language with plans to actually speak it, though it will limit you.

In my personal opinion, for this kind of app the second way makes the most sense to me as I've seen a lot of people drop out of the first way of learning before they learned enough to get by, but your mileage may vary. I would also like to hear feedback from people that have taken Duo courses for other languages that have different alphabets like Japanese Russian etc and how the Arabic course compares. I noticed the English and French courses for Arabic speakers don't teach the alphabet at all and just drop you in.

As for other apps, I left a comment in this thread listing some that have Arabic courses if you find that helpful. Two focus on teaching conversation skills and the third, Busuu has lessons structured more like Babbel and Duolingo does for their other languages. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/35670729

There is no question that both have their plusses and minuses. On top of these, there are a LOT of websites out there that explain the basics of arabic grammar, honestly too many to name but I can't really recommend any as I learned most of that stuff through books so maybe someone else can help with that.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chaplin.G

Oh I got it now! And agree with. There's so many methods that can be use and also more than one goal, depends of the interest and need. Thanks by linking the comment, I'm looking the sites right now! Yesterday I saw other comment with some sites too, it's helpfull to know other plataforms and try them. Thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Walid852845

I just cant believe how trash the pronunciation is. The sound files have countless glitches and bugs. It's so bad that I was compelled to purchase a Rosetta Stone subscription.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stewart737090

Perhaps you can contribute to this course and help add to it :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ALM_66

I applied 2 months ago and I still didn't get a reply


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Calvados_27

I applied about 6 months ago and didn't get any reply.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ALM_66

Why is duolingo ignore help from us when they need it??


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/phuvtuo

All of you applied too late. The course was released in the summer so at that point, they didn't need contributors anymore. The people working on it probably do not want to teach random new people how to work on their team at this point.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ALM_66

but the course is in need of more contributors even if the course was already released in the summer.The course has so many flaws in it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hassibah

But courses often get revised after they are released and original volunteers often eventually move on so it makes sense to accept new ones.

The Arabic course after only six months is hugely popular despite its flaws and the number of learners is only growing so it definitely makes sense to reevaluate and expand the very limited content.

If not Ill apply for the Arabic for French speakers course in case that ever happens.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Calvados_27

I didn't mention that I applied last year in early January.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ali826616

Lol they don’t even write the Arabic alphabet properly, they only show you the sound of one letter and then expect u to know the whole word


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IzaacChann1

I agree, this is a nonsense course, if I ever saw one.

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