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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nicdhaibhidh

ro/robh listening choice

I think in Hobbies 2, a listening choice is offered which included both ro and robh - I clicked on both, having heard the original recording, to try to decide which it was, and they were, at least to my ear, identical. I opted for the wrong one - then I'd to try to remember which I'd selected, for when that question reappeared at the end of the lesson. I think I got lucky the previous time the same options appeared. These tasks don't seem to have a comment option???

January 17, 2020

19 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kerrrrobbie

Worth remembering that in the context of a real sentence the two could never be confused........


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/junkming1

Cha robh car ro luath, for example...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kerrrrobbie

Exactly. Difficult to think of sentences containing "Cha ro" or "Robh luath"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/junkming1

Probably impossible. But you can invent some nice tongue twisters on that theme: An robh an roth ro annasach?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kerrrrobbie

Is toil leam sin!.......


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SamCurrier1

Oh yes I remember this! I couldn't distinguish them either - I had to memorise the answer instead.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/junkming1

Think of it this way: 'robh' only comes after 'cha', 'nach'and 'an'. 'Ro' always comes before an adjective.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nicdhaibhidh

Me again, same topic. I listened umpteen times, turned the volume up, it's the same speaker for both possibilities, and I chose wrong again. It's the typically early in a lesson multi-choice from four words, "which do you hear?" I have no problem identifying whether it's ro or robh for writing or in reading, context makes it absolutely clear, but I still hear absolutely no difference, in this particular recording, between the two utterances. I wish I could post a snip to show which task it is, but I can't. C'est la vie.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/joannejoanne12

Okay, so I've disabled it for the time being. I think the difference between ro and robh is a bit hard to notice in the recordings if you're not used to it, but there is a difference there. We can't rerecord any audio at the moment as we're waiting for Duo staff to fix a bug, but we'll get it sorted as soon as we can.

It's a tough one to try and explain in writing, but the difference is ro has hard 'r' sound, that comes from the front of your mouth, whereas robh has as a softer 'r', that comes from the back of the mouth.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nicdhaibhidh

Tapadh leibh. I appreciate it's an important aural distinction, and I think can make the distinction orally, I see/feel what you mean. I generally think I have a pretty good ear, but this one really stumped me, on this occasion.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/silmeth

I’m not a native and can’t distinguish them by hearing myself (yet :P) but acc. to Faclair Beag and Wiktionary there is also a distinction in vowel length (and in FB in quality): robh /Roː/ (long and less open) vs ro /rɔ/ (short and more open).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/silmeth

If that happens again, maybe try reporting the question? I am not sure how much power contributors have over those choose-the-word questions, but maybe they can disable this one or change the other – wrong – words available to choose?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Uilebheist19

It happened to me too. At first when i clicked at "ro", it seemed identical to the original recording to me, and when i clecked on "robh", I didn't hear any sound. So I reported it as "My answer should be accepted". But then I tried again to listen to both sounds, and when I listened very carefully, it seemed to me, that there is a very slight puff at the end of "robh", which isn't there in "ro". It is rather indistinct, though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tj4234

Thinking about it, I say robh a bit like "roh" and ro a bit like "row".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amr63

Thank you. No doubt it will turn up again, and I'll check for that puff - which I was sort of expecting but didn't hear. It's a hard one. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AJFJdb

Yes - me too - I dread this question and I've seen it several times now. I've only got a 50/50 chance of guessing correctly! Still, if I can get the others right I still end up OK on the practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MimiMcC99999

Is it the same speaker for both options? Often the different word are recorded by different speakers so you can choose the button with the speaker that matches the question, if that makes sense.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/joannejoanne12

Word to the wise: the individual words aren't always recorded by the folk who record the sentences. Most of the individual lexemes were done by the same 3 or 4 speakers, and I think there were close to a dozen speakers total. As said above though, 'robh' and 'ro' are never interchangeable, so eventually it'll click as to which one you need :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Uilebheist19

It sounded like the same speaker to me.

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