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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OliviaFeli14

latin pronouns

I identify as gender fluid and use they/them in English and il/lui in French and was wondering what pronouns I should use for myself in Latin?

January 24, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The_Ankh

Good question. I don't think there's any evidence from the period of Classical Rome - the period that the Latin language here covers - they recognised people as being gender fluid. Which, of course, doesn't mean that gender fluid people didn't exist, just that they weren't recognised as such.

IF you want your Latin to be authentic Latin, then I think you have to accept the Latin default of using masculine pronouns to describe yourself. I think trying to use neuter pronouns would be wrong - it puts you into a class of objects rather than being a living person and suggests zero gender rather than fluid gender.

The other option, of course, would be to simply switch masculine/feminine depending on your feelings at the time - but that depends on your particular type of fluidity and may not work for you, and, indeed, may not be practical for you, depending on how you plan to use your Latin.

However, if you can find other groups of gender fluid people who have already started using Latin past the basic stage, then asking them what they use is probably the best option.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

When gender in Latin is unspecified, typically by default the masculine pronoun (is/ille) or masculine form (for adjectives) is used (which in turn gives rise to the default masculine in the Romance languages as well - this is provided the pronoun isn't simply left off altogether, Latin being a pro-drop language). True neuter would be id/illud (for neuter nouns), but I'm not sure how that would come across in Latin (it may end up sounding a bit like calling oneself "it" in English).

Illi/illis is simply the nominative and dative/ablative plural masculine forms of ille/illa/illud, as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong; I've simply never seen these as anything else before. Might I ask where you found these, moonlite?

If anyone has a better answer, please do share; I'm curious. :)

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ivitcyex

Great explanation, thanks. I think you covered what I would've suggested, only more thoroughly.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OliviaFeli14

I use masc in French so I think I might in Latin too. thanks for your in-depth explanation!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/moon.mochi

Ahah, I got it from Google Translate... I know it's not the most accurate, but I had tried to find the closest ones that would translate back and forth correctly


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ARCANA-MVSA

That's what I was wondering. :) I think this is one of those cases where it simply won't translate well - you've got three versions of "they" in Latin to choose from. :D

In any case, I found this which can hopefully answer this question: https://latin.stackexchange.com/questions/757/is-there-a-gender-neutral-pronoun-for-people-in-latin

If anyone who knows more about the question than I do could corroborate it, that would be great. :)

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PresleyJen

I hope you have a great day! (I'm saying this because I hope people respect your pronouns because genderfluid and non- binary people are awesome and valid!)

:)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OliviaFeli14

Thank you! this little bit of validation really brightens my day :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/moon.mochi

Thank you so much!!!! :D <33


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dariya902917

I would recommend a neuter pronoun. This website should help.

https://www.thoughtco.com/latin-personal-pronouns-120438


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/moon.mochi

I think it would be illi/illis!! This was a good question - I'm nonbinary but I haven't thought much about my pronouns in other languages, so in a way you helped me too! :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OliviaFeli14

Thank you very much! I'm glad to have helped as well :)

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