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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimThibaul

Official Language

Today other than "Vatican City" Latin is not an official language anywhere. However when I researched I did find out a few countries Hungary, Croatia, and Poland used Latin into the 19th century.

Could not find out why they dropped the language from there countries. It seemed that was very popular in Hungary.

Do you know why these countries dropped Latin ?

Since Latin is still an official language "Holy See" do they review add new words and have a document defining the language ?

For example "computer", "cell phone" did not exist until the last half of the 20th century. How do new words get adopted ?

January 28, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kati673185

You are right - in Hungary - latin was the unique official language till 1844. The educated people used it only - With the Reformation the neologists made an important influence on the hungarian language and one used little by little the hungarian language- as an official language too


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The_Ankh

Just because Latin was the official language in those countries, doesn't mean that most people spoke it. In fact, for hundreds of years it was in use in most places only by a very few clerics and even the highly educated nobility would rarely have used it.

I think it would be fair to say that its use, in most of Europe at least, was primarily because of the strong influence of the Church and the close association between Church and State for many hundreds of years in many countries.

Incidentally, the language spoken in the Vatican ("Holy See", not "Holly See", and actually refers to the governing body of the Catholic Church, not to the Vatican itself) is Italian, even if the "official" language is still Latin.

As for new Latin words, mostly they tend to be created by Latin nerds - including clerical Latin nerds. At some point, the Vatican approves words (or not) for use in Ecclesiastical Latin. The last dictionary (no doubt someone will correct me if there's a more recent one) of Latin words from the Vatican was published in 2003 and contained around 15,000 new or updated Latin words.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimThibaul

Yes many spelling errors .... got to proof read.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/f.formica
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As far as I know (I might be wrong) it's currently up to the "Latin Section" of the Vatican's Secretariat of State: if you don't mind the Italian (I can't find other versions) you can check https://www.vaticannews.va/it/vaticano/news/2019-05/sezione-lettere-latine-la-storia.html for how it came to oversee all Latin affairs. Then again I'd imagine the individual writers (the Pope in primis) are free to add and adapt words in their writing.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Recently when Finland presided over the European Union they issued whatever documents/proclamations they published in Latin, too.

I have no idea why those countries dropped Latin. Probably for the same reason that Sweden finally dropped trying to use Latin for international treaties (replaced by French) about 100 years before, around 1750--nobody else was using it.

Recently there was this discussion: 'Latinizing' Modern Words/Concepts, which has links to newer dictionaries, etc. (and if you're really interested I can dig up some others).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The_Ankh

Also, Finnish radio broadcast the news in Latin for 30 years until June last year (2019).

Just thought you'd like to know that...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Thanks. I was sad when their run ended. See my post/comments in these discussions, among others (they are in chronological order):

(OT) Nuntii Latini . . .

swedes and moose

Where else is Latin used?

OT, but the moose video by Daniel Pettersson linked to in "swedes and moose" is pretty good. What do you think?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kati673185

In 1966 was a liturgy reformation in the catholic churches - in Hungary - till that time the liturgy was in the churches latin - From 1966 - the liturgy language is hungarian


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ColinJParry

New Latin words are created all the time, but there is an issue with arguing over the semantics. For example, the word Car. Some people say it should be autoraeda (auto'matic' carriage), but... I on the other hand, know that Car, is short for Carriage, which comes from a Latin word carrus meaning.... carriage. Ergo, carrus could be the Latin word for car, and even lines up with modern cognates such as the Spanish carro. But, like I said, everyone has an opinion on it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ambrose_Burnside

why not just have autoraeda take the place of automobile and have carrus for car? Mostly interchangeable but autoraeda being more broad and incorporating other self-powered, non-flying, non-submersible (for semantic reasons on that one) craft

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