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[Suggestion] Can Level 5 (Cracked or otherwise) be a repetition of the highest skill level

It's rather unhelpful that if you don't feel proficient in a skill yet you have no other way to practice the concepts deeply and undermines the actual value of the lesson - especially since we now only have 4 lessons in the 4th level

February 11, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JAndrzej

Yea, the situation we have right now kinda contradicts any proper teaching methodology, ie. after reaching the fifth level we are basically "taken back" to a much lower level, eg. sometimes when I review my "cracked" skills in the Portuguese course I only receive three or four sentences (out of, let's say, fifteen exercises) I have to translate from English into my target language - it's a waste of time, because on the highest levels almost all exercises should force us to translate into our target languages (let's say, 70% of exercises), plus maybe about 30% of exercises could demand translating full sentences from our targed language, but definitely one doesn't need any of those simplistic exercises like "choose the correct picture" or "choose the correct sentence from a list" after reaching the level 5, c'mon Duo! Why do we have to do it over and over again? It really doesn't teach anything useful at this point!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zia177448

I'd also appreciate a "level 4 practice" option in the store, just like there is the timed practice option.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lightning_11

YAY! More options and more to buy in the store! I am always open to that! I have so many lingots that I want to spend. Inflation is real!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chizypuff

I've never seen a timed practice option, but I've heard it mentioned several times today on the forum. It is only available for certain languages or only after a certain skill level or something?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

Might only be on Plus?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chizypuff

I found it after a google search, available in the shop in browser only


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimThibaul

Better yet code some intelligence into skills that crack. When you do a review get everything right, these words are not checked again for a longer length of time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/5IS3RY7k

Agreed. As I've said it before in another thread, myself, this seems like the most efficient way to balance the needs of those who want more practice with those who like the faster path to skill completion. On the other system I had started stopping the skill at level four and using those lessons as my own version of spaced repetition practice, for the most part. Now that we have the cracked skills the tree reminds you to practice at it's own designated intervals, which is fine, but feels pointless if it only gives you easy questions. It would be nice if they would just restore those lessons they cut away in levels four and five as practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Try using your duome page. The dumbbells on the right. That's about as good as practice gets nowadays, AFAIK.

You might also try using the reverse course, English for Spanish speakers, which will have more translation into Spanish, but the audio will be in English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

I wish! I'd really appreciate the practice exercises being as difficult as the ones you have to do to get to that level. I'm currently building a second account up to 4-crown level in all skills just to have that available. (Until that goes gold, and then I suppose I have to delete it and start again.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConradLevi

Duolingo kind of runs on the "learning as a game" philosophy. Given that it would be nice if they had a "hardcore mode" for lessons. Early on repairing cracks is tedious, later I want to be challenged, especially if I feel I haven't mastered a level. The possibility of an optional hard mode would really help me on the days I feel I need to be pushed, but as an option it means it needn't feel like a tedious chore.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sebastian__81

I feel they are not interested in teaching a language anymore... All of the latest updates removed learning features in the favor of getting quick and easy points for the leaderboards.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arkfall_RJ

Its not about learning something new anymore, its about being on top of the list of leaderboards. To be superhero with no real skills at all. Just pointless numbers.... This is the world where we are living now. The future is now :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

The thing is, if you want quick and easy points for the leaderboards, you start a new language, preferably an easy one and if possible one you already have some familiarity with. The early lessons in any tree seem to have very few questions in them and to be pretty easy. You can crack through them at a rate of knots. And if you don't make mistakes you get 15 XP for a lesson. You'll shoot up the leaderboards. You won't learn much though.

In contrast if you're studying one language and trying to become proficent with the material, and you have a gold tree, the best you can do is one lesson per topic, for a maximum of 10 XP, and even though we are complaining that they're not hard enough the lessons are longer and indeed harder than the early ones in a tree. You can grind away for an hour, really improving your skill, for maybe 50 XP.

I really want to get a lot more familiar with the Gaelic material, on a gold tree. It's not earning me many points at all. If I wanted to move up the leaderboard I'd have to go and play with some elementary German and I'd rather not.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FIpj4NGp

There's also the languages that have Stories, so that's 24xp each minute, and it's been happening non stop since they removed the cap on it. I always check the duome stats on #1 or #2 on the LB and it's always stories. Hours and hours of repeating stories. It's pointless either way, ppl will always find a way to rack up points, but it's the honest learner that suffers with those updates. I agree with Sebastian__81, seems like for Duolingo the leader boards are priority and it's only going to get worse from here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

I did try a couple of the stories in German, but there are no stories in Gaelic so I must grind through practice lesson after practice lesson.

I didn't get the impression that getting through a story in a minute was really on, unless you're moving that mouse awful fast. What a waste of time. Might as well leave them to it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ioaemcl

I'm in the Diamond League (for what that's worth!) and have got there only by working through three lessons or practices each of my chosen languages each day. No constantly starting at the beginning of languages I'm not interested in and no constant repetition of stories. There is no need to cheat to go up the leader boards.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

How many languages are you doing? Do you get a lot of +5 bonus XP?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mom913728

Too true. you really have to have the intention of learning your language in order to actually learn it on here...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConradLevi

I sort of feel if a hardcore mode is added, not as part of the leaderboard but as something trackable, it would add incentive to do the stuff that really helps you with the language. I saw a pretty depressing video about a guy with a 1200 day streak learning French and he was nowhere near fluent.

The way I look at it most of the stuff like leaderboards and streaks are there to keep you coming back. It's up to you to use duolingo efficiently while you're there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

A lot would depend on what he did on each of these days. One sesson, then off to the pub? Not going to get you very far.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JimThibaul

It is only a game if you make it a game...... I am not on the Leader board I opted out. If you can about learning you set your own goals and what somebody else does, does not matter.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FIpj4NGp

Level 5 being the same difficulty as level 4 exercises would definitely be the easiest fix for the decreased number of lessons. That way we can effectively practice the gold skills as much as we want until we feel we know the material well.

For the time being, I'm moving things over to Quizlet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

I couldn't agree more. I don't know why they don't do this, or at least offer it as an option.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judy_Blue_Eyes

I'm using Practice Makes Perfect - Complete Spanish Grammar, that I bought from Amazon. It helps me a lot.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lightning_11

Maybe you could choose between the current difficulty and a higher one (repetition of lv. 4). I'm always open to more options and settings!

Buying lv. 4 practice in the store is also a great idea (from Zia177448), as it solves the problem of lingot inflation as well!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EWoolley3

Practicing some chinese modules yesterday and 9/10 of the review questions were basically about revising hanzi. That's fine I guess if you are learning Chinese without a prior knowledge of any of the characters but I speak Japanese and so almost all of the characters are known to me and it's not hard to recall the one slightly different reading given that Japanese often has several readings for the same character. So all I'm doing is proving I can recognise characters rather than reviewing the grammar rules (which would be more useful).

Separate revision of characters and grammar in languages with non-roman scripts would be helpful, since some people struggle more with scripts and others have the scripts but need the sentences...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J1QWf

Not liking the new version of Duo. I refuse to go past level 2. At this point I'm just doing lesson 1, lesson 2, practice, restoring cracked lessons, duo stories and listening to my gold and orange lessons and hoping it reverts back to the original version.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/J1QWf

Might also quit the leaderboards


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RandalOulton

It's ridiculous. The learning lessons that were taken away from us, are now presented later I assume as "review", because I'm finding in review stuff that I never learned in the first place, which is maddening.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

No, it's worse than that. The "review" lessons are significantly easier than the ones that take the learner from the 4th to the 5th crown. Once you've done whatever lessons at that level the software decides to present to you, you can't get any more. Unless you delete the entire tree and start again. Which is always an option I suppose.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RandalOulton

I agree, but I honestly I really do get in review items that I didn't cover because they are hidden from us now in the 4th circle.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

What, from the dumbell? Or from the individual skill praxtice lessons?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ioaemcl

I've had new stuff in the dumbells, too.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ali156013

I've gotten new words from the dumbell too...I've even reported it giving the reason "why are we given words we've never been taught"? it doesnt make much sense!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EWoolley3

So I have been experimenting this week with revision rather than new tasks, because I realised that I was making some basic careless errors in sentence writing and I think it was because when I started with Welsh I was using the app and the multiple choices rather than typing sentences. I actually have found it valuable to go back and revise old exercises for small grammar details that are easy but also easy to forget, so I like that the practices tend to mix and match.

What would be nice would be the option to select your practice level I guess.

Agree with the idea of more store options like this.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rynsacc

I agree! We should be able to relearn the cracked skill, or our skill will fall back down...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cjr37

We should be able to change levels more easily. I would like to test out directly to level 4 in French, and to decrease the level in Vietnamese and some of the more difficult Italian exercises. These options are not there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mom913728

You can probably get even deeper into Spanish if you have a friend who speaks it, or if you look for another Spanish curriculum that can reinforce your Spanish.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morag_Kerr

I'm sure he could, but he said in the post that he didn't have any other resources. And the answer to "here is something Duolingo could do better with very little effort" isn't just to say "well go and use another web site why don't you?"

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