[Suggestion] Can Level 5 (Cracked or otherwise) be a repetition of the highest skill level
It's rather unhelpful that if you don't feel proficient in a skill yet you have no other way to practice the concepts deeply and undermines the actual value of the lesson - especially since we now only have 4 lessons in the 4th level
Yea, the situation we have right now kinda contradicts any proper teaching methodology, ie. after reaching the fifth level we are basically "taken back" to a much lower level, eg. sometimes when I review my "cracked" skills in the Portuguese course I only receive three or four sentences (out of, let's say, fifteen exercises) I have to translate from English into my target language - it's a waste of time, because on the highest levels almost all exercises should force us to translate into our target languages (let's say, 70% of exercises), plus maybe about 30% of exercises could demand translating full sentences from our targed language, but definitely one doesn't need any of those simplistic exercises like "choose the correct picture" or "choose the correct sentence from a list" after reaching the level 5, c'mon Duo! Why do we have to do it over and over again? It really doesn't teach anything useful at this point!
Agreed. As I've said it before in another thread, myself, this seems like the most efficient way to balance the needs of those who want more practice with those who like the faster path to skill completion. On the other system I had started stopping the skill at level four and using those lessons as my own version of spaced repetition practice, for the most part. Now that we have the cracked skills the tree reminds you to practice at it's own designated intervals, which is fine, but feels pointless if it only gives you easy questions. It would be nice if they would just restore those lessons they cut away in levels four and five as practice.
I wish! I'd really appreciate the practice exercises being as difficult as the ones you have to do to get to that level. I'm currently building a second account up to 4-crown level in all skills just to have that available. (Until that goes gold, and then I suppose I have to delete it and start again.)
Duolingo kind of runs on the "learning as a game" philosophy. Given that it would be nice if they had a "hardcore mode" for lessons. Early on repairing cracks is tedious, later I want to be challenged, especially if I feel I haven't mastered a level. The possibility of an optional hard mode would really help me on the days I feel I need to be pushed, but as an option it means it needn't feel like a tedious chore.
The thing is, if you want quick and easy points for the leaderboards, you start a new language, preferably an easy one and if possible one you already have some familiarity with. The early lessons in any tree seem to have very few questions in them and to be pretty easy. You can crack through them at a rate of knots. And if you don't make mistakes you get 15 XP for a lesson. You'll shoot up the leaderboards. You won't learn much though.
In contrast if you're studying one language and trying to become proficent with the material, and you have a gold tree, the best you can do is one lesson per topic, for a maximum of 10 XP, and even though we are complaining that they're not hard enough the lessons are longer and indeed harder than the early ones in a tree. You can grind away for an hour, really improving your skill, for maybe 50 XP.
I really want to get a lot more familiar with the Gaelic material, on a gold tree. It's not earning me many points at all. If I wanted to move up the leaderboard I'd have to go and play with some elementary German and I'd rather not.
There's also the languages that have Stories, so that's 24xp each minute, and it's been happening non stop since they removed the cap on it. I always check the duome stats on #1 or #2 on the LB and it's always stories. Hours and hours of repeating stories. It's pointless either way, ppl will always find a way to rack up points, but it's the honest learner that suffers with those updates. I agree with Sebastian__81, seems like for Duolingo the leader boards are priority and it's only going to get worse from here.
I did try a couple of the stories in German, but there are no stories in Gaelic so I must grind through practice lesson after practice lesson.
I didn't get the impression that getting through a story in a minute was really on, unless you're moving that mouse awful fast. What a waste of time. Might as well leave them to it.
I'm in the Diamond League (for what that's worth!) and have got there only by working through three lessons or practices each of my chosen languages each day. No constantly starting at the beginning of languages I'm not interested in and no constant repetition of stories. There is no need to cheat to go up the leader boards.
I sort of feel if a hardcore mode is added, not as part of the leaderboard but as something trackable, it would add incentive to do the stuff that really helps you with the language. I saw a pretty depressing video about a guy with a 1200 day streak learning French and he was nowhere near fluent.
The way I look at it most of the stuff like leaderboards and streaks are there to keep you coming back. It's up to you to use duolingo efficiently while you're there.
Level 5 being the same difficulty as level 4 exercises would definitely be the easiest fix for the decreased number of lessons. That way we can effectively practice the gold skills as much as we want until we feel we know the material well.
For the time being, I'm moving things over to Quizlet.
Practicing some chinese modules yesterday and 9/10 of the review questions were basically about revising hanzi. That's fine I guess if you are learning Chinese without a prior knowledge of any of the characters but I speak Japanese and so almost all of the characters are known to me and it's not hard to recall the one slightly different reading given that Japanese often has several readings for the same character. So all I'm doing is proving I can recognise characters rather than reviewing the grammar rules (which would be more useful).
Separate revision of characters and grammar in languages with non-roman scripts would be helpful, since some people struggle more with scripts and others have the scripts but need the sentences...
No, it's worse than that. The "review" lessons are significantly easier than the ones that take the learner from the 4th to the 5th crown. Once you've done whatever lessons at that level the software decides to present to you, you can't get any more. Unless you delete the entire tree and start again. Which is always an option I suppose.
So I have been experimenting this week with revision rather than new tasks, because I realised that I was making some basic careless errors in sentence writing and I think it was because when I started with Welsh I was using the app and the multiple choices rather than typing sentences. I actually have found it valuable to go back and revise old exercises for small grammar details that are easy but also easy to forget, so I like that the practices tend to mix and match.
What would be nice would be the option to select your practice level I guess.
Agree with the idea of more store options like this.