https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Guishogt

Portuguese suggested complementary material? Simple novel to read?

Hey guys,

I am really happy with duolingo, and I really feel that I have done quite some progress with my portuguese. I really love the tool!

I would like to start doing complementary studying, do you have any suggestions? I'd like to star reading a simple novel in the language...ideas?

Thanks all!

July 14, 2014

15 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Davu

Here is a PDF of the book mentioned by luiz.calheiros: Emília no País da Gramática by Monteiro Lobato. (It was written 80 years ago so I suspect it can be legally downloaded although I don't know that for sure. [Edit: The author died 66 years ago and Brazilian copyright lasts 70 years after death.]).

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

In ours country if something is in a sharing network (as 4share, the new mega etcetera) you can download it!

BTW, thanks!

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

I highly doubt that. Most countries in the world are obliged to comply with international copyright laws.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

Yes, there are copyrights, but if you have bought a CD, for example, and you want to share it on-line, you can do that through a sharing network. Although here the laws about copyrights are applied when someone sells it (what marks that person is not sharing).

By the way, this law is different applied in each country, as far as I know the laws of Brazil, that is how works.

If you find a case when someone in Brazil went under custody by share archives on the web, please inform me. Anyway I'll read more about.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Done:

Approximately 1,200 people were arrested in 2005 for smuggling, illegal commerce and other IP-related crime – an increase of 3,076 percent over 2004, when only 39 smugglers were arrested in the year. This included arrests for cybercrimes, such as advertising pirated software, music and movies on the Internet.

Source: http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2006/05/article_0003.html

In 2009, authorities conducted 662 operations nationwide, which resulted in the seizure of 1,128,000 counterfeited CDs. In addition, more than 300 websites that used to sell illegal products have been removed from the Internet in recent years, according to Abes.

Source: http://infosurhoy.com/en_GB/articles/saii/features/economy/2010/08/02/feature-02

http://www.culturaemercado.com.br/noticias/brasil-tem-primeiro-preso-por-pirataria/

As you can see the law is clear, and has been enforced.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

commerce... I've said that happens, but not for sharing. There is a question about how far people can share (not trade, not sell, not make commerce) archives in Brazil. Artigo 184 do Código Penal Brasileiro: it gives emphasis to "com intuito de lucro", it is if there is any money gain.

The scientific article: http://ueadsl.textolivre.pro.br/2013.1/papers/upload/95.pdf

When you share, you are not a criminal here.

Adding, piracy and sharing here are different things.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dessamator

Interesting article. But it overlooks one important thing :

Specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Berne_Convention

Whether or not people can share items in Brazil, they are part of an international agreement that restricts the use of copyrighted content in all countries that are part of the Berne convention.

So unless Brazil recently decided to break the agreement they are still legally bound. All content created by foreign countries must be protected by the Brazilian authorities.

In the case of this specific book, the copyright belongs to a Brazilian entity, and it may have expired by now anyway.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

Brazil is in. Our laws take care about it. And it clearly says it is not crime when you copy for your own usage."[…] deixando bem claro que o disposto nos parágrafos não se aplica quando se tratar de exceção instituída no art. 46 da Lei 9.610/98 ou a cópia da obra autoral, em um só exemplar, para uso privado do copista, sem intuito de lucro direto ou indireto […]". And if I am right, the rule is to apply the own archive's country laws, or in some cases the other. We were talking about Brazilian literature. Everyone can share it safe and sound.

The Brazil legal web explainer: http://www.ambito-juridico.com.br/site/index.php?n_link=revista_artigos_leitura&artigo_id=7307

Anyway, as I said, in here you go jail if you have any money gain, other situations you are free.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Danmoller

Are you sure that "copy for private use" isn't allowed only when you have already bought the original?

July 15, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

Dan, it seems crazy at first look. But 1º art of criminal (I won't copy, you can read it on the web) there is no crime that the constitution does not talk about, there is no custody without a previous mention. Then art 46 3º add text says it is not a crime if you have no money gain, cause' it go against the 1º and 2º additional text.

I asked my lawyer friend. She past the last 40 minutes reading. I believe her. And as I said, the international laws are different applied in each country. Do not even try do that with american data in USA.

July 15, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/luiz.calheiros

If you want a good book try read "Sítio do Pica-pau Amarelo", it has many stories and one of them is about grammar.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Davu

There are more book suggestions in these discussions:

If you don't feel like tackling a full length book take a look at the very short stories mentioned here (available in both written Portuguese and English with the considerable added benefit of having cartoon versions available narrated by a native speaker):

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ikamjh

The fourth one listed is a discussion by me... Heres a bit of an update: All I've done is start o alquemista by paulo coelho, but its really good so far. (It was really expensive to get the brazilian portuguese version that had everything written the way coelho originally wrote it... Like $30 for a fairly small book... But worth it.

July 15, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/azureskye

Try childrens books translated into Portuguese, like the Boxcar Children and Nancy Drew. :)

For curriculum, I can't help you.

July 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Guishogt

Wow!! Thanks everyone for the replies. I do have now a lot of material to go through :)

July 15, 2014
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