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DailyDuo OPEN THREAD [20200323]

WELCOME TO THE DAILY DUO OPEN THREAD!

Do you have questions, comments, or complaints? Fear not! This post will be a place for you to ask your questions or give your comments and complaints without fear of it being downvoting out of the forums. Throughout the day, you can write down below whatever it is you need/want. This is also a place where you can get direct contact with at least 1 Mod or other Global Ambassador.

Please keep in mind that this post is a moderator thread, not posted or run by Staff.


What kind of questions can I ask?

Well, anything, really. From lingots to Leagues, Duolingo to downvotes. Just remember that we can’t answer everything.

Here are some examples of questions that only Duolingo Staff/Employees can answer:

  • When will there be x language in the Incubator?
  • What do the mods know that we don't?
  • Can you do something about x issue in x course?
  • Will there ever be stories for x language?
    Because you can’t get the answer you need, asking will only be a waste of your time.

Who will answer my question(s)?

Myself, possibly other mods, and anyone else who wants to.

What are some helpful resources?

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March 22, 2020

86 Comments
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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sammael123456789

Does it seem like Duolingo lately is not as good at catching typos? I'm a pretty poor keyboardist & regularly mis-type things. More often than not, DL misses these errors, rather than pointing them out to me. Is this some sort of site-wide glitch?

Also, why won't DL accept '&' for 'and' when translating into English? It will accept number symbols for spelled out numerals in the same exercises, but & has always been counted as an error.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Puzzle36714

Yup, been a few weeks now. It was just suddenly too. I'm not sure why they would do this. I almost feel like it's because people were complaining on here about losing hearts for these mistakes. But yet spelling is crucial to properly learning a language. And that's why I argued in spite of people saying "just worry about your own progress". This is why. VERY sloppy. It's most pronounced when I have to type what I hear. I don't trust it anymore, so I use the comments section to verify what I typed was the actual answer, especially if it's a word(s) I still can't understand after I have written.

I just typed in a word a few hours ago..."vuolta". But the word that was in the correct sentence was "vuota". Duo let it through.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

That's what seems to be the case. I noticed that too.

I think & isn't accepted because the contributors never added it as an acceptable answer. You can always try hitting the flag button and choose "my answer should be accepted".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jzsuzsi
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In my opinion, do not report sentences with &.

Numbers are automatically accepted in English and in some of the "bigger" languages.

&/and is not automatically accepted. You could either convince Duolingo staff to make it automatic OR the contributors should add it manually to every sentence containing "and".

I cannot speak on behalf of other contributors, but I definitely will not add it to every sentence.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

Strongly seconded. Just type it out - it's only two more characters for you, and it would be a lot of work for us.

In general you're better off typing numbers out as well, the automatic acceptance isn't there for all languages and isn't fully reliable for those that do have it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sammael123456789

I'm fine typing things out - I just just curious why it was not built into the courses asa an option from the start. No course I 've encountered yet has had issues accepting numbers as symbols & I don't think I'll be moving on from my mere 4 languages for a long time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

Believe me, building it in from the start would be a lot of work too (unless Duo could be convinced to accept it automatically, which they probably can't and I don't really want them to be anyway with all the problems there are with other automatic acceptance), especially when flexible word order happens. For example, take a phrase like "A and B" where A and B can be switched. Right now we can write that as [A and B/B and A]. To accept & as well we'd need to change it to [A and B/A & B/B and A/B & A]- that's doubling the work even for a very basic case.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sammael123456789

Diolch, Mahalo, Danke, etc.!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Songve

In the Vietnamese course, when I know the answer provided by Duolingo is wrong, yet I nonetheless entered it, I report the sentence. One of the choices is "My answer should NOT be accepted" and I choose that box. Then, in sentence discussion I clearly suggest the correct response.

Are other courses set up for this strange choice? It is as if one hand of Duolingo made the error and another hand recognizes it and cannot correct.

In any event it seems strange to have that. Am I missing another possible explanation?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

I think that's a wise choice to add. Sometimes a contributor may have made an error and wrote something incorrectly without realising. It's another way of checking to make sure everything is correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

This is actually very easy to do with the compact form we use. For a very basic example, if a contributor writes [a/an] [flat/apartment] that would accept "a apartment", "an flat", "an apartment", and "a flat", when they were actually just trying to accept "an apartment" and "a flat" (which should be written as `[an apartment/a flat]"). From that example it looks obvious, but compact form gets much more complicated and it can be very easy to miss a mismatch.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hp_fan28

Are the stories the same for every language? Or are there different stories for each individual language? I just unlocked stories in Spanish, and was wondering about this. :)

~hp_fan28


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

For the ones that have stories, most of them are the same. Some of the details may be slightly changed in them. Some have more stories. And there are some stories (may be as little at 1-2) unique to each language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OllieBenso4

What do you think the next course released in 2020 will be, now that German for Dutch speakers came out? Personally, I'm going for either Yiddish for English speakers (as it's making a lot of progress recently, but that's no guarantee on its release date), or Esperanto for Chinese speakers since that's being created quickly, and the release date is set for sometime this April! What about you Little_Tatws? What do you think will come out next? And thank you for creating this open thread too! :-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

I have no idea what'll come out! I'm hoping for Finnish, but Yiddish seems to be making steady progress.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VeikkaP

Finnish would be awesome!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

This forum post is getting some hate votes and a handful of similar comments. Maybe we can be more supportive (and get a little MOD action too)?

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/37236992


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

I went through it and deleted several comments from a particular user. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PresleyJen

Thanks Little_Tatws that was my post... You are an awesome mod.

:)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JackDunne5

Question for all

Do you think under the privacy settings there should also be a setting to turn on and off access to your duome account? In case we didn't want our location/bio to be PLEASE-UNLIST-ME forever.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Atervanda

After adding 'PLEASE-UNLIST-ME' and saving your changes, you're free to remove it. Only when you add 'PLEASE-UNBLOCK-ME' will it make your Duome profile public again.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Duome is a third party site, so it doesn't make sense to have it under Duolingo settings. Also, you don't have to keep it forever. Just until they remove you.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

There isn't really a point in the location - no one can see it except on your Duome page.

If you type "PLEASE-UNLIST-ME" in your location, it's not like anyone can see it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Silmarillion333

When is Navajo going to be fixed? Navajo problems


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Not sure. That's a question for the contributors.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/_AnimeFreak_

How old do I have to be to become a contributor?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IamJules2020

As well as age, you also have to be fluent and literate in both languages and ideally have experience teaching languages. Very few younger people can met that level.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

And a good deal of maturity, patience, humility, and perseverance, which are even harder to come by in youngsters.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

In order to be any type of Global Ambassador, you must be at least 18 years old. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Silmarillion333

How old do I have to be to become a contributor?

To be a contributor, you have to be 13.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

You still have to be 18. TheFlumen is right in saying it hasn't been updated yet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LordEragon05

Can't anyone lie about that though?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

No kidding. And then there are the people who check the box but state in the text of their application that "im 11"...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

LordE. Of course, and they certainly do.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LordEragon05

Linda, that is frustrating for the Admins to be getting streams of ineligible applications for moderators.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

Not anymore. They haven't updated the incubator yet - hopefully they do soon.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Silmarillion333

Huh, so the check-off that you are 13 is wrong.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

I'll give you the link to the quote in a second when I find it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Silmarillion. Few give their actual age. I have seen 9 year olds asking to be Mods! Hence the forum is well modded ;-) TheFlumen is correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

In the Navajo tree, someone is gaining XP in increments of 40 (and sometimes 50), every day. It's a bit annyoing, because I am competing with them in the Navajo leaderboard. They just passed me today. Is there any way to do this?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

That's not normal. I'll pass this along and we'll look into it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/memitsch

When are we gonna get an open thread with the staff?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Most likely never because this open thread is my person project (suggested by user Scutigera of course).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

Staff don't have the time. Would you rather them spend hours answering the same questions every week or spend those hours working on improving Duo?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

@Trofaste, always a pleasure to read your straight to the point, helpful answers.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nina355033

I seem to remember Yiddish being available, but when I went to check recently, I couldn't find it. Have I missed something? Or did I just imagine it?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

It's there in the Incubator. The course isn't released yet, though and has never been available.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gh0stwheel

Yiddish is still in the incubator being created.

It is making steady progress,
so it seems reasonable they'll make their estimated release date:


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PresleyJen

Thank you for posting this every week.

:)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Silmarillion333

How to you lock a post, or is that classified?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gh0stwheel

You and I can't. Mods can. (They can also lock other people's posts.)
Their permissions probably mean that an extra button appears for them only.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

Does it matter?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrodyBlink

I was trying to help someone and 2 people said it was a spam!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

I couldn't find the thread you're referring to, but remember that the forums are not a chat room and should NOT be treated as such.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PresleyJen

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/37283099

This post is getting out of hand. It may get deleted by the time I post this. But I thought a mod should be alerted.

Edit: It's gone.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Thank you, but in the future please report and move on, both of you.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

I did report it, staff didn't seem to do anything about it. :|


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

The Moderators who handle reports have to go through each report individually.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheFlumen

He/she is a spammer - trying to get banned. They has a different account that they use.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/37031988?comment_id=37032199


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scutigera

The Educators forum is a hot mess at this time...
https://forum.duolingo.com/topic/909/new


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gh0stwheel

That is one prolific spammer...
Got a friend to help, and all of those posts are now at minus 4.
One more person and we can clear this.

EDIT:
Just went back to check. Now most of the spam posts are voted back up. I guess they use other accounts to up vote themself.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Most, if not all, of those posts are gone now. I don't have Mod status in that forum, but thank you for alerting anyway.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lavitas

Do you know if Duo has the plan to somewhen release some kind of roadmap where you can see what's next on their plans?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

Probably not.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Craizy74

What is the correct way to learn the tree - by doing each topic to level five then moving on to the next or by doing level one of each topic and progressing all the way through, then moving back to the beginning and going through level 2 etc.?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Little_Tatws

There's no correct or incorrect way to do it. All that matters is if you feel you're learning the material.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gh0stwheel

I definitely agree, but if one is looking for ideas, there is a way Duolingo recommends we try:

The article was written by Duolingo's Director of Learning & Curriculum  and by one of Duolingo's language scientists . (I've put their job titles, as they appear in their résumé, in italic.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judit294350

All that matters is if you feel you're learning the material.

To that I'd say "illusion of competence". Many people "feel" they are learning when they are not. Hence you see people thrashing a skill to level 5 because it "feels" right - but a week later it has all gone.

Unless someone has an objective way of measuring progress over a reasonable time period (say a month) then stick to the method DL suggests.

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