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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kanelan723

Long Marks

Hello. Is there any way that this course could include long marks over the words used, at least in the vocabulary lists in the "tips" sections? It would help me a lot with remembering how to pronounce the individual words as well as with distinguishing between the second and third conjugations.

Also, in the Tips section of "School" under "Third Conjugation", it says that "you can recognize these verbs by the lack of a vowel at the end of the verb stem"; could someone please clarify that?

Thank you!

March 25, 2020

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SuzanneNussbaum

Not sure what they're getting at, about the Third Conjugation. A simple way to teach the four conjugations of regular verbs, to beginning students, which requires long marks, is as follows:

if the present infinitive (listed as the SECOND "principal part") ends in -āre, it's a FIRST Conjugation verb: like portō, portāre, to carry

If the present infinitive ends in -ēre, it's SECOND conj: habeō, habēre, to have

If the present infinitive ends in -ere, it's THIRD conj: dūcō, dūcere, to lead

If the present infinitive ends in -īre, it's FOURTH conj: audiō, audīre, to hear

In Allen & Greenough's Latin Grammar, I read that "The Present Stem is formed from the Root in all regular verbs in one of the following ways: -- a.). In the First, Second, and Fourth conjugations, by adding a long vowel (ā- , ē- , ī- , ) to the root, whose vowel is sometimes changed: as, vocā-re (VOC), monē-re (MEN, cf. meminī), sopī-re (SOP). ... b) In the Third Conjugation, by adding a short vowel e/o to the root. In Latin, this e/o usually appears as i/u, but e is preserved in some forms. Thus, tegi-s (root TEG), ali-tis (AL), regu-nt (REG); but tege-ris (tege-re), ale-ris. ..." that's from section 176 on page 86.

Probably better to say that there is a SHORT vowel (seen in the infinitive, as for example dūcere (SHORT ere)) before the personal endings (-ō, -s, -t, -mus, -tis, -nt) in the 3rd conj. The other 3 conjugations have a long vowel (note that long vowels are shortened before the endings -t, -nt, and -ō (where they are sometimes lost altogether)).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

There have been a lot of inquiries about this. Here is the most recent one, I think. What the course developers have said (last discussion I'm aware of about this, anyway) is that they are not intending to process macrons / indicate vowel lengths.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarpasCZ

There is a possibility that when this course will be expanded there will be length marks included.

LA: Possibilitás est sígna longitúdinis futúra esse, cum hic cursus expansus erit.

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